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From: Caroline FordDate: Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:53 PMSubject: [ORG-discuss] "no copyright restrictions" - LSE Library &#38; flickrTo: Open Rights Group open discussion listI apologise if this belongs on the "abolish all copyright!!" list butI don't subscribe.With some fanfare the LSE library have added some images from theircollection to flickr commons. As per the rules of flickr commons theseare listed as "no copyright restrictions". If you click on the LSE'sinterpretation of "no copyright restrictions" they link to a verynon-free, personal, non-commercial licence.Flickr's understanding of no copyright restrictions:http://www.flickr.com/commons/usageBY ASSERTING "NO KNOWN COPYRIGHT RESTRICTIONS," PARTICIPATINGINSTITUTIONS ARE SHARING THE BENEFIT OF THEIR RESEARCH WITHOUTPROVIDING AN EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED WARRANTY TO OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TOUSE OR REPRODUCE THE PHOTOGRAPH. IF YOU MAKE USE OF A PHOTO FROM THECOMMONS, YOU ARE REMINDED TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS OFAPPLICABLE LAW BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH A PARTICULAR NEW USE.The LSE Library's understanding of no copyright restrictions:http://www2.lse.ac.uk/library/archive/flickr_rights_statement.aspx"The images published on our Flickr Commons photostream are all markedas having ‘no known copyright restrictions’ attached to them. Thismeans that we are unaware of any current copyright restrictions fordisplaying this selection of photographs from our collection withinthe Flickr website, either because LSE owns the copyright, or the termof copyright has expired, or because no evidence has been found thatcopyright restrictions apply.The images on our photostream are meant to be used for personal,educational or research purposes. To obtain high quality digitalcopies, or to find out more about copyright terms for the reproductionof specific works in our collection, please contact the Library'sArchives and Rare Books Division. Please note that it is our policy tocharge licensing fees for commercial use. "I've complained here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/lselibrary/3274389894The LSE replied:Just to clarify on the copyright point. Copyright in ‘No knowncopyright restrictions’ refers to the rights of the photographer. Inthe case of all the images we have put on Flickr as far as we havebeen able to establish copyright has either expired or belongs to LSE.Licensing is different, this applies to permission to reproduceimages. We have placed these images under a ‘non-commercial licence’which means that they can be used freely for personal and academicuse. Charges only apply if someone wanted to use the images forcommercial publications when we would have to supply higher resolutionimages. This is standard practice for commercial publications. FlickrCommons has a code of practice dictating what can be displayed on thesite and LSE adheres to this in all respects.Can they really claim copyright and licensing are different like this?Caroline http://www.flickr.com/photos/lselibraryClearly, LSE Library is wrong. "No known copyright restrictions" is the same like licensing.