[Dave:] wheat wheat I stole your wheat aand, I didn't mean to end that 
[Tomm:] Wait, who'd you steam from? 
[Dave:] rennoc wwait 
[rennoc1:] so i see. i am now utterly wheatless 
[Dave:] maybe you? 
[Tomm:] Oh, that's harsh. one sec 
[Dave:] nah, it was rennoc hey, I know where you can get some good wheat but seriously, want to trade for some wheat? 
[Tomm:] where goes the robber? 
[Dave:] hasn't been moved yet 
[Tomm:] bah, phone, brb. Hey! :p 
[Dave:] heh ... noooo I just bought the wrong resource 
[Tomm:] ello Just got a connection reset 
[Markus:] Hm, shouldn't happen (and hasn't before). Let me know if you have problems. 
[Tomm:] Got a SocketException error appear in this chat line I guess we'll see if it happens again 
[Markus:] Yes, fingers crossed. 
[Tomm:] I take it this is the right game to be in? 
[Markus:] Yes, I don't know where the other two are. It's been very last minute ... 
[Tomm:] Excellent! Yeah, well it always feels last minute when you are getting participants, doesn't it? 
[Markus:] Hehe, yes. Perhaps they're still in a lecture. 
[Tomm:] So, does this generate a random Catan board? 
[Markus:] Yes. 
[Tomm:] I'm still rather impressed at a Hex grid in Java to be honest... Java layout always feels like a nig *nightmare 
[Markus:] Indeed; I had the pleasure editing the source code of this application. 
[Tomm:] Ah. Fun I take it? Still, it looks very nicely laid out to be honest. 
[Markus:] Well, it's an open source projet, so it's OK. But I had to dig deeper than I wanted. :*) 
[Tomm:] Ahh! I see. One more to go, I guess. 
[Markus:] Yes, it's supposed to be three of you. Hm, how are you two for time? Can we wait a bit longer? 
[Tomm:] I'm good for a little bit longer. 
[rennoc1:] I don't mind waiting for a while. 
[Markus:] Great. I guess if person number 3 doesn't show up in 5 or 10 minutes it'll be you only you two anywa y. 
[Dave:] hi 
[Markus:] Ah, great. We can start. Sombody has to click START GAME. Amd and off you go! 
[rennoc1:] so anyone else played this before? 
[Dave:] I haven't, no 
[Tomm:] Yes, a little... but I was never good at it. 
[Dave:] is it still your turn rennoc? 
[rennoc1:] yeah, brb 
[Tomm:] Fancy some tasty ore? 
[Dave:] I do not ^_^ 
[Tomm:] But... you can... you know... smelt it? How about clay? 
[Dave:] nope, sorry, I'm good for clay 
[Tomm:] For... you know... sculpture? 
[Dave:] and pots 
[Tomm:] Bah. Philistine :P 
[Dave:] hey, the people of Davetopia make very nice pots ooh, wood trade? 
[rennoc1:] ok im back 
[Tomm:] Oh, so now Davetopia makes with the niceties? 
[Dave:] we are a fickle people 
[Tomm:] Where was all this decorum when we talked before? 
[Dave:] well you didn't have wood then 
[Tomm:] Snigger. Tommville is amused by such base humour. Anyway, what will you offer for wood? 
[Dave:] wheat?:D or clay 
[rennoc1:] anone have sheep 
[Tomm:] Pfft, your pots are of no use. Sadly still no sheep :( 
[Dave:] wheat then? 
[Tomm:] Talk to rennoc first, it's his go :p 
[rennoc1:] yeah sure, could do with some wheat 
[Dave:] got wood? 
[Tomm:] Still snigger. 
[rennoc1:] nope 
[Dave:] heh that's all I'm interested in, sorry :( 
[Tomm:] Dave - how many wheat would you give for 1 wood? 
[Dave:] I will give you one whole wheat 
[Tomm:] I must demand 2. 
[rennoc1:] i would give you 2 clay? 
[Tomm:] For the good of my people you understand 
[Dave:] I must refuse, on principle well, it depends we'll see 
[Tomm:] Rennoc, full of clay I'm afraid. although I could offer you ore, Rennoc? depending on what you have 
[Dave:] also if anyone rolls a seven I will never forgive them 
[rennoc1:] well... I've got some really good quality clay. 
[Tomm:] Ah... we'll see when we get around to me, can bid for the wood. 
[Dave:] 10 10 10 never a 10 :9 *:( 
[Tomm:] Yeah. Also 8 should be as likely as a 6... but looads of 6's no 8's :p 
[Dave:] also 7's, we've had about half the rolls as sevens 
[Tomm:] 7 is the most likely to be fair from what I remember 
[Dave:] it is, yeah, even so 
[rennoc1:] so anyone have any ore? I have sheep to spare 
[Dave:] I have wheat 
[Tomm:] fraid not 
[Dave:] more wheat, great anyone need wheat? 
[Tomm:] Really not, sorry. 
[Dave:] rennoc? 
[rennoc1:] I'm fine for wheat at the mo 
[Tomm:] well... sigh. 
[Dave:] least you didn't have to lose half your resrouces this time 
[Tomm:] true. I'd rather like to roll an 8 though :P 
[Dave:] No more wheat! 
[Tomm:] Well thank you Rennoc :D 
[Dave:] anyone need wheat? 
[Tomm:] What for? 
[Dave:] clay, I guess, or ore or wood 
[rennoc1:] you know if you have more than 4, I think you can trade them into the bank, 
[Dave:] yeah but it's not ideal 
[Tomm:] That's true... 4 -> 1 Well, I might do, but depends on my roll, I'm afraid Dave: Wheat for a clay? 
[Dave:] sure, can you do 2 for 2, or do you just want 1 for 1 
[Tomm:] Just 1-4-1 I'm afraid 
[Dave:] fair enough 
[Tomm:] Oh... now I get wheat(!) 
[Dave:] heh 
[rennoc1:] any spare ores anyone? 
[Dave:] afraid not, sorry 
[Tomm:] None here either :( 
[Dave:] wwwhat oh, right ^_^ 
[Tomm:] Woo! Settlement! 
[Dave:] ha, congrats good game 
[Tomm:] Hehe, it was fun, thanks. I think I got very lucky getting to the sheep port 
[Dave:] I spent far too long at the start building pointless roads, I wasn't 100% sure where I could build s 
[Tomm:] 24 sheep :o 
[Dave:] haha 
[Tomm:] Yeah, that is a problem... Rennoc had lost about half way through to be honest I sort of cut him out >.> and ore is more important in the later game too 
[Dave:] Yeah, I noticed, he couldn't really expand I had just managed to take a wheat port, which would have been very helpful 
[Tomm:] Yes! Ports are great if you get them Anyway, was a pleasure, should do it again sometime, outside of the experiment! 
[Markus:] Thanks for participating. 
[Dave:] Yeah, it's a good game 
[Markus:] Glad you enjoyed it. Please take a minute to fill in the questionnaire. 
[Dave:] No problem, I'll send in the questionare in 10 minutes 
[Tomm:] I'll get you your questionaire back tomorrow if that is okay, Markus, have to go myself 
[Markus:] Also, for your  5 you'll have to come by my office. Unfortunately. 
[Dave:] sure, where is your office? 
[Markus:] Informatics Forum 3.24. I'll be in and out tomorrow but should be there most of Wednesday. 
[Tomm:] If you were to email me the form, could I send a surrogate with my signed form? 
[Dave:] I have most of wednesday off, so I'll come in then, any particular time you'd prefer? 
[Tomm:] Have a friend who works there 
[Markus:] Hm, I guess you could scan it in an send it back. Or send it by post. Sorry it's the necessary paper trail ... I'll send you the form. 
[Tomm:] It's okay, I understand 
[Markus:] I've no preference for Wednesday Should be there most of the day. 
[Tomm:] Cheers if you email me the form now, I'll give it to my friend tonight, I'm heading to see him. 
[Markus:] Already working on it. 
[Dave:] Right, I'll go fill in the form, about 2 on wednesday then? 
[Tomm:] Perfect, thanks Markus. I'll email you my response tomorrow 
[Markus:] OK, that's good for me. Wed @ 2 or so; good. 
[Dave:] ok, well I'm going to head off now 
[Markus:] OK; thanks again for participating! 
[Tomm:] Thanks! ORE! :D Also... you're all gonna hate me 
[Dave:] oh no well, that wasn't too bad 
[rennoc1:] oh dear... 
[Tomm:] Sorry, need me some clay and I can't get it 
[Dave:] wheat for ore anyone? 
[Tomm:] You just nicked my wheat :P Not going to buy it back 
[Dave:] Want to buy it back? :D aw discard? 
[Tomm:] Well that was upsetting. 
[Dave:] did you just lose four resources? 
[Tomm:] yes 
[Dave:] how? 
[rennoc1:] rolled a 7 
[Tomm:] Had too many cards when a 7 came up 
[Dave:] yeah, but oh didn't know that was a thing 
[Tomm:] I think it's over 7? Anyway. Bah. My wheat! 
[Dave:] I didn't want that wheat anyway 
[Tomm:] Anyone want anything for wood? seeing as no one is rolling 8's despite it being really likely. 
[Dave:] equally likely for all numbers? Although I guess it depends on how the rolls are simulated 
[rennoc1:] dont have any, sorry 
[Tomm:] Nah it isn't if it follows the proper game. You are rolling 2 dice... so there are more ways of rolling say an 8, rather than a 2 
[Dave:] Yeah, I mean if it's actually rolling two dice then there are more 8's tha- well, yeha 
[Tomm:] So no wood anyone? okay 
[Dave:] nope, sorry anyone need ore? 
[rennoc1:] yep 
[Dave:] willing to trade for clay and sheep 
[Tomm:] what for? 
[rennoc1:] got some clay. 
[Dave:] 1 ore for 1 clay? 
[rennoc1:] ok 
[Tomm:] Sheep! 
[Dave:] uh should we add time>? 
[Markus:] Yes, sorry. 
[rennoc1:] ADDTIME 
[Dave:] *ADDTIME* 
[Tomm:] Wheat? Sheep? Anyone needy? 
[Dave:] I need sheep, but I have nothing to trade, possibly when my turn rolls around I'll have something 
[rennoc1:] yeah, ive nothing either 
[Dave:] Ok now I can trade you ore or wood, need either? 
[Tomm:] Well looks like you have stuff now Dave :P Ore would be good. 
[Dave:] 1 ore for 1 sheep it is 
[rennoc1:] can I have some wood dave? 
[Dave:] what have you got to trade? 
[rennoc1:] sheep 
[Dave:] I guess I can use two sheep yeah, go ahead 
[rennoc1:] i only have one sheep 
[Tomm:] well you have no way of getting them yourself yet 
[Dave:] true yeah, i mean I'll still trade with tomm after this trade wrong person 
[rennoc1:] ...oh 
[Tomm:] little colour ticky boxes Really easy to miss, I did that too. 
[rennoc1:] cool, thanks :) 
[Dave:] np um 
[Tomm:] pouty face. 
[Dave:] Still want to trade? 
[Tomm:] Yes, do you still want to? 
[Dave:] Only chose you becasue you have three times the resources and yeah, sure uuuh 
[Tomm:] on you go then 
[Dave:] actually, instead of sheep, do you have any wood or clay? 
[Tomm:] Ah, 'fraid not 
[Dave:] hmm 
[Tomm:] Until someone rolls a 4 
[Dave:] rennoc? 
[rennoc1:] nope dont have either 
[Dave:] I'm actually going to hold off on the trade for now, sorry 
[Tomm:] Fair enough, thought you might! You did nick that sheep after all :p 
[Dave:] well, it was revenge for earlier ^_^ 
[Tomm:] Which was revenge for you earlier. Ah, how this game goes back :p Just gimmie the virtual dice, hehe 
[Dave:] I'm guessing there's no point in putting a city next to a desert 
[Tomm:] Not unless the other hexes are very likely to come up 
[Dave:] :/ 
[Tomm:] 7! 
[Dave:] I've laid out my things at the start really badly :D 
[Tomm:] Sorry Rennoc, wanted your goods 
[rennoc1:] aargh! my precious ores 
[Tomm:] Delicious It's okay Dave, so did I. Sorry, what did you roll Rennoc? 
[rennoc1:] a 5 ( I think) 
[Dave:] really 
[Tomm:] oh... 
[Dave:] reallllly 
[Tomm:] Oh great. Sheep. Don't have any of those. 
[Dave:] that was my favourite sheep! 
[Tomm:] Worrying... >.> 
[Dave:] does anyone have any wood they would be willing to trade for? 
[Tomm:] Not until people start rolling 8's :P 
[Dave:] :D 
[Tomm:] Oh... well that's unkind 
[Dave:] sorry 
[Tomm:] It's okay, name of the game and all that. Do you get a random one of my resources then? 
[Dave:] anyone need wheat? I did, yeah 
[Tomm:] no thanks 
[Dave:] rennoc? 
[rennoc1:] i'm ok for now 
[Dave:] aww 
[Tomm:] well that was robbery 
[Dave:] does the robber do anything after you put him  and before he's moved like, if that resource comes up will you not get it or something? 
[Tomm:] When he is in a hex you can't get resources 
[Dave:] ah 
[Tomm:] yeah, so 8 won't get you wheat now I wasn't expected to roll 7 to be honest :p 
[Dave:] I thought you got to move the robber because you played a car? *card 
[rennoc1:] any got any wood they can trade 
[Dave:] Nope 
[Tomm:] I played the card, moved the robber and THEN rolled a 7 as well so I moved him twice 
[Dave:] aah that sucks 
[Tomm:] and I've only got 1, sorry. 
[rennoc1:] ok 
[Dave:] woo 
[Tomm:] Bugger. Got any clay to trade for sheep/wheat? 
[Dave:] Only got 1 and I'm holding on to it, sorry. 
[Tomm:] Also: Rennoc - be careful holding lots of resources. If someone rolls a 7, I think, you lose cards 
[rennoc1:] got some clay. how many do you need 
[Dave:] Yeah, that's the robber isn'tit 
[Tomm:] Well, what would you like for clay and/or how many do you want to give? 
[rennoc1:] could do with some ore or sheep 
[Dave:] While we're talking about trading, does anyone have sheep 
[Tomm:] Yeah, on a 7 anyone with lots of cards gets halved and the robber gets moved. I have sheep, yes. 
[Dave:] Need ore or wheat? 
[Tomm:] Sheep for an ore and sheep for a clay? 
[Dave:] sure 
[Tomm:] soo... how do we do this? 
[Dave:] ok, I THINK click register a trade then I'm not sure 
[Tomm:] so I give a sheep to red, I get an ore, right? 
[Dave:] yup 
[Tomm:] Did that work? 
[Dave:] it did, yeah thanks 
[Tomm:] rennoc: Sheep for an ore? 
[rennoc1:] I dont have any ore, but i do have plenty clay 
[Dave:] Is there a reason I can't buy a settlement now? I have the resources 
[Tomm:] Bah, that's what I meant, sorry. You have to do it on your go 
[rennoc1:] ok 
[Dave:] yes but the road and card options have a greyed out buy option, settlement is just dashes 
[rennoc1:] how do I accept a trade 
[Dave:] also you tried to trade with me there tomm, not rennoc 
[Tomm:] Thanks 
[rennoc1:] ah... thanks 
[Tomm:] Oh, you don't have anywhere you can BUILD a settlement they have to be two sides away from a settlement, connected by road so you need to build one more segment of road first 
[Dave:] oh, so I need to build a road first 
[Tomm:] yeah 
[Dave:] right, thanks 
[Tomm:] Oh. 
[Dave:] can anyone trade clay for ore as in, I give you the clay 
[Tomm:] No ore, sorry. 
[rennoc1:] me neither 
[Dave:] good roll that thanks 
[Tomm:] Sorry, boss walked in 
[Dave:] np 
[Tomm:] Yes, that was a good roll for you. Thank god. I was going to scream if I rolled a 7 
[Dave:] haha wheat for wood anyone? or a sheep 
[Tomm:] sorry :/ 
[Dave:] how do those resource tiles in the water work 
[Tomm:] If you have a settlement on them you can get better trades 
[Dave:] I thought that was the number ones 
[Tomm:] the 3:1 means you can trade 3 of anything to 1 of anything 
[Dave:] what about the other ones 
[Tomm:] The resource ones -I think- mean you can trade 2 of any of that item to 1 of anything else 
[Dave:] ah, that's pretty good 
[Tomm:] But I might have that the wrong way around 
[rennoc1:] anyone have any wood? 
[Dave:] nope, sorry 
[Tomm:] I think we are all looking for it! Ah. Sheep. 
[Dave:] You basically control the sheep 
[Tomm:] That's not as handy or as sinister as it sounds Unfortunately. 
[Dave:] Still cooler than being a wheat baron 
[Tomm:] I don't know, you've got 'baron' right there in the title 
[Dave:] That is actually the only good thing about this job 
[Tomm:] You crafty gender non-specific pronoun! 
[Dave:] I can give you one wheat and ore for wood 
[Tomm:] Don't want ore. Rennoc what can you offer me for wood? 
[rennoc1:] how about 4 clay for 1 wood and 1 ore? 
[Dave:] don't do it! it's a trap 
[Tomm:] Wow, you are clay tastic, eh? 
[rennoc1:] yep, I speak to you from a bath of clay! 
[Dave:] (make sure it's not the bath clay he gives you) 
[Tomm:] eww. Fair point. Fresh clay if you please Dave... wood for a wheat? 
[rennoc1:] my bath has been demoted to a sink 
[Dave:] sure wrong player 
[Tomm:] bah 
[Dave:] thanks 
[Tomm:] No... thank you all! Tommville is now Tommopolis! 
[Dave:] :O 
[Tomm:] Wow, nice roll Rennoc :D 
[Dave:] ok, rennoc, listen to me don't give tomm wheat sorry tomm but he can win the game if he gets wheat 
[Tomm:] Aww. :( 
[rennoc1:] can you give wheat to me, dave? 
[Tomm:] Sadly, the man does have a point. 
[Dave:] uh, I might get some on my turn, so maybe 
[rennoc1:] for clay? 
[Dave:] I'm good for clay, thanks 
[rennoc1:] any one have sheep? 
[Tomm:] That's a fair point, I've not had sheep for ages. 
[Dave:] 3 sheep really 
[Tomm:] Rennoc... I have sheep now? Got any wheat? :P 
[Dave:] nooooooo don't give him wheat, also, if you get the robber put it on that wheat tile in the middle 
[rennoc1:] nope sorry. I could spare some clay though 
[Tomm:] 1 clay for 1 sheep? 
[rennoc1:] thanks 
[Tomm:] muhaha! 
[Dave:] uh no 
[rennoc1:] we're doomed 
[Dave:] that got you less points than I thought 
[Tomm:] Settlement is worth 2, city 3 
[Dave:] anyone got wood or sheep to trade? 
[rennoc1:] well, I am going to have to go in 5-10 mins, so before I do does anyone want any of my resources 
[Dave:] you have to go? 
[Tomm:] I'm confused... I think I should have won? 
[rennoc1:] unfortunately, yes. 
[Dave:] I'll add time shall I? We can always end it when we want anyway 
[rennoc1:] if we dont add time i could play till then though! or that. 
[Dave:] do you have any wood or sheep rennoc? 
[rennoc1:] both 
[Dave:] 1 ore and 1 wheat for 1 wood and 1 sheep? 
[rennoc1:] how about this. 
[Dave:] addtime don't have 2 wheat 
[rennoc1:] oh 
[Dave:] would have offered it otherwise 
[Tomm:] bugger, I can't add up, that's why. 
[Dave:] heh 
[Tomm:] ? 
[Dave:] rennoc, you there? 
[rennoc1:] I really need to head off, what do you need guys? i have 5 clay, 1 ore, 2 sheep, 1 wood. 
[Dave:] sheep, wood 
[rennoc1:] sorry for cutting things short on my part how about you tomm? 
[Tomm:] Feel free to fire me the clay 
[rennoc1:] ok it turns out you have to give me something in a trade 
[Dave:] a clay? 
[rennoc1:] have anything you can spare for the trade tomm? 
[Tomm:] not realy, just ditch it 
[rennoc1:] ok , thanks guys and good luck! 
[Tomm:] cheers, was good playing! 
[Dave:] so what happens if he quits? will the game remove him? 
[Markus:] You two just continue 
[Tomm:] press done on his go :P lets finish this up! SHEEP! 
[Dave:] null needs to discard? I'm guessing that's rennoc 
[Tomm:] Oh... I can't move the robber? 
[Dave:] you've moved it already? 
[Tomm:] No, that was for a soldier card 
[Dave:] oh it says null needs to discard, I think it's a bug it's still counting rennoc as having over 7 resources 
[Markus:] Does it work now? 
[Tomm:] yes, fixed 
[rennoc1:] so you have ore to spare then...? 
[Dave:] I do ore for wood? 
[rennoc1:] if only... I have clay? 
[Dave:] that is more useful yeah, go ahead 
[Tomm:] Sorry, back what did I miss? 
[Dave:] not much ADDTIME we play this to the end, not until the time runs out, yeah? 
[Tomm:] yeah, we'll see Right, anyway... so I have bugger all... annnnd... yes. 
[rennoc1:] so dave, what did you have to trade for clay? 
[Tomm:] I covert rennoc's clay. I could offer things? 
[Dave:] wood? 
[Tomm:] Ore? 
[Dave:] clay rennoc I have ore to trade (or wheat, always wheat) 
[rennoc1:] tomm, do you have ore? 
[Tomm:] Yes, yes I do 
[rennoc1:] ok 
[Tomm:] 8! 8! Not 8. 
[Dave:] any wood around? 
[rennoc1:] nope 
[Tomm:] Damn robber. He stole my sheep Woo! Poor! 
[Dave:] has anyone got a sheep, I can trade wheat or clay 
[Tomm:] Surprisingly I am bereft of sheep. 
[Dave:] :( rennoc? 
[rennoc1:] sorry, no sheep 