...ociation Dl,cussed.. No. II
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10 NE EtiUOT ~ LtS CDH!teT q 1NgHpc


mast confess that it seems to me unprohtaole
tn answer objections--if they may be dignihed


with that appellation-which are founded only IN
the grossest ignorance and misconception OF what
Ihay as ell as OF all that Associasionsts
| have been urging for several yeaFs past For IN
stance when ] stated that the Property OF an
/ Assoc;stjon VIII be vested in those who shall
coutr;bute the Capaal to establish 1t how coaId
| have anticipated that you would limit the term
CAPITAL to the moneys invested IN the mere be-


ginning OF the enterprise-in the purchase If i
,nnst be purchasedl OF the wild land on which an


Association is TO be founded, and q: the few rude
capital but the unconsuned product Of past Labor
possessed Of an enduring or at least remaining va
| lue7 Suppose Western pioneer has bought aa
ejghty.acre tract for 800 and made Improvements
on Il worth 5000 are not these latter truly CAPT
tai now as the 500 he paid the land he obtained
for it And if $50 600 be paid for the land building
materials, implements provisions. Sc. with which
an Association is commenced and If three hundred


men work thereon year fairly earning 5000 each
and consuming but slO0 worth oil provisions cloth
ing. &c who can fail to see that the 5000 addi
tonal value which iheirla hss created is Just as
much Capital at the end Of the year as the original
$50 600 vas Mt the beginning and as such entitled
10 b, represented by stock. receive future divi-
/ dends, Sc. &c ii you therefore, need any re-
conci!cnent OF my statements you have quoted.
or haze understood to teach that those who
furnished the original nestegg must own all the
eggs and all the chickens evermorc, must believe
that not another reader OF this controversy is in
yolved in your difficulty.


Your mistaken assumptions that Z" all are TO eat
at one t0Jle or that there can be but one set OF
cooks, &c. SC. eyince sad unacquantance with q
system which you have for years been denouncing
as obominabe md imporing everybody 10 under
stand end execrate rs you did. So with regard TO
Labor to Education. Religion, 80. Hnd you bnt
read ottentivey any of the writings of Association
sts you would have seen how yonr obstacles are
surmou nted. Nay you might oa silly have learned
that the Zoar and Rapp Communiti es have existed
from twenty to forty years respec lively, daiiy en-
counterng and overcoming all the difficulties IN re-
gard 20 Food, Cooking, Labor, Education, &c. you
deem so insuperable, And even our little begin.
nings OF Association. destitute though they be OF
capital machinery, experience, and that immense
facility afforded by Custom End Habit TO any under
taking, have withstood all the influences you ina
CINE so certain TO work III cir dissolution through the
three to five years OF iacir existence respectively.
and feel very sure from my partial acquaintance
with thci, affairs that not of them will ever
break up, none has ever yet broken mp. because
Of differences regarding Religion, Education Cook
cry or because no one can be found TO perform IN
dspensable duties. Is not this experience, buei
though 1t he. worth something After the trst
steamship haJ crossed the ocean all the learned
and logical d. smonsrations OF the utter impractical
bility OF ocs an steaming were UNANIMOUSLY voted
nullf md respectfully suggest that your quanda'
ries are f rs, passing into the same category 1t
does me Sc. nevertheless said Calico, when Bigot-
ry hal Just compelled him to rcnounce and de
nouT zee the doctrine OF the heliocentrc motion Of the
F.s rth and thus Association will demonstrate It's
Own practicability in spite OF all your caviis
know there is and must be difficulty IN the
,ransition-that those who have been trained &c
consider the game Of grab and gouge the great bu
sincss of life must have new spirit brcsthed into
them before they can comprehend and act upon the
vital principles Of Social Unity Association is but
| the body. of which the Golden Rule is the soul.
know men to whom 1t is an impracticabie idea; bat
| know others to whom il is no longer SO. lee
sure that this latter class is rapidly increasing anc
will one day predominstc. know well that Al
| Association of knaves and dastards-of ndolent o
covetous persons--could not endure without mora
transformation OF its members but Know also tina


its organism strongly tends to correct the faults IN
imical to its existence, and that one complete anG
successful Phaanx would do more to dignity anc
ennohle Labor To diminish idle Scheming and in
crease useful Working to mitigate the evils of Ra
pacity. Extravaganza tutemperance aud Pauper
ism. than has been accomplished by all the Phlan
thropic effort of the last century. In this faith
! proceed.


That YOU have been wrong throug ghout concerning
| BuRKr and PAINE l think / need not take NOR,
/ space 10 show That Paines notions OF Natura
J Rights were those which gave the impulse to on
Revelation and that by them only can that Revolu
tion be justified, is most notorious When you con
meet his - theory OF fundamental politics witt
InRdeiity you virtually libel the cause of America,
/ Iudependence. And drunken infGd as you tern
Paine never heard that he turned traitor TO tbs
Liberal principles snd associates OF his earlier
or died the pensoner and tooi OF Roy atty and Ans
tocracv As YOU do not deny that your view OF the
origin and Fundamental basis of Society and Gov
ernment: is substantially Surke's, and as yo'
are surely mistaken both III your allegation tha


Burke did not write to reiuto Psine and your res


son Tor 1t that Burkes great work on this subjec
&. was written trst,)-ior though Paines Rights o


Msn was published after Burkes ESSAYS. all il.


fundamental ideas had been pat forth in his earle


writings IN defence OF the Americs. cause prior Il


snd during the Revolutioa-I believe need say


no more on this head


And now TO resume my general argument;


We have already seen tina. Association is the


vital element OF Sociesy-thst it ente-s into and
measures Human Progress from The rides: o,ndi


ton Of the Savage 10 the most refined Civilization
so that We nigh, accurately say OF particular


People rot that they were more or less Civilized


but that they were more or less Associated. a


Civilized People grind their grain at mill:


instead OF pounding it in family ,nortars. travel or


common Roads and Steamboats, instead OF by sep


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