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 :I encourage you to do some serious research on Krasnoi...try to find sources that detail what exactly happened on an hour by hour basis on Nov. 17th, including the specific divisions involved, their commanders, what skirmishes took place, what ground was covered in the manuevers, etc. On this level of fact-finding, you will see that the truth about Krasnoi is much different than what's reported in many elementary textbooks which just gloss over the facts. 
 :kenmore 9/25/06 
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