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 ::PS: Re-reading earlier discussions on this page, it now seems clear that you were referring to the definition of the whole numbers as 0,1,2,... . My comments in the section above this one still apply, especially under the heading ""Conclusion"". Give me the sources, and I will turn them into an article. But I can't write an article based on other people's personal experiences. In fact, I am not even allowed to do so based on my own. See WP:Verifiability.   "