:HEY EVERYONE!!!! This is one of the hardest threads to follow that I've come across in a long time, and the main reason is a total confusion of indenting. Could everyone please read WP:INDENT, and stick to it carefully. It helps everyone tell who is responding to whom. Adding the naming of the editor you're responding to at the start of your post would help too. I suspect there are a couple of unsigned posts in the mess above too, but it's such a mess it's hard to be sure.