text: #310362 - 01/14/19 08:38 AM Re: Collusion has now been shown. What now? [Re: NW Ponderer]
  Agreed: It would be horrible and cause many more problems than it would solve. But out of those millions of pissed off people, there have to be a few who are crazy enough to do it. My point is actually that nobody, not even the President of the US, can get away with pushing people too far. Everybody has a breaking point. For most of us you'd have to murder our children or something similar to get that kind of response, but I know very well that there are people who you just have to look at funny to evoke violence. And they tend to collect guns.
  #310401 - 01/16/19 05:38 PM Re: Collusion has now been shown. What now? [Re: rporter314]
  It'not Guiliani.
  Trump's AG nominee has now said he may not release the Mueller report.
  #310403 - 01/17/19 12:12 AM Re: Collusion has now been shown. What now? [Re: NW Ponderer]
  Sure, all those things may be true, but they all are meaningless since the Democrats hold the House and their Oversight Committee can subpoena the whole un-redacted report. They can also (and will, to be sure) subpoena Mueller to testify in an open session. If Republicans were still running the House and Senate, then they might have kept it secret. That era is over.
  Some people are saying the Justice Department will redact the report and keep it private. Maybe they can do that, but Mueller will be a private citizen when he is done, not a Justice employee. The House can subpoena him and there's not a damned thing Trump or Justice can do about that.
  #310614 - 01/28/19 03:29 PM Re: Collusion has now been shown. What now? [Re: pondering_it_all]
  Trump advisers lied over and over again, Mueller says. The question is, why? (WaPo, subscription)
  The sheer volume of lying is, of itself, obstruction. The central question is, was it directed? Andbecause so many people have lied, that is a difficult question to answer. There really is no question anymore that Russia directly interfered in the 2016 election, and that it was "somewhat" effective (and probably dispositive). And it is beyond peradventure that the Trump campaign knew of, and exploited their knowledge of, at least some of that interference, which "happened" to coincide with their predisposition to engage in similar tactics. "If it's what I think it is, I love it!"
  I think the Mueller investigating devolves into sussing out enough facts to determine the question of whether the coordination was direct, since everyone with Trump lies all the time about everything. Will the cover-up be effective?
  Nixon would have been impeached, and George H.W. Bush might have been, had their investigations not been thwarted (by pardons). Mueller's might yet be, as Republicans have developed habits of impunity (to wit: Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Nunes, Bill Barr) and dissembling, so we may never know the answer. But we do know this: something is rotten in the State of our Union.
  #310615 - 01/28/19 03:39 PM Re: Collusion has now been shown. What now? [Re: NW Ponderer]
  To the point about the suppressing of the Mueller report, let me add this: as with Iran-Contra, it's about the timing. If they can delay the outcome until the end of Trump's term, they will have, once again, thwarted justice. Trump may be prosecuted after he leaves office, but at this juncture, it is unlikely that impeachment could be completed in time. In the case of Republican methodology, "Justice delayed is Justice denied." And that's just the way they like it.
  #310622 - 01/28/19 09:13 PM Re: Collusion has now been shown. What now? [Re: NW Ponderer]
  For the record: 18 U.S. Code § 2 - Principals
  Now, does this sound like Anyone we know?
  #310623 - 01/28/19 09:37 PM Re: Collusion has now been shown. What now? [Re: NW Ponderer]
  William Barr: Concerns Over Trump's Privacy Could Shield Robert Mueller Conclusions
  The likely attorney general said prosecutors need "to be sensitive to the privacy and reputational interests of uncharged third parties."