text: Posted 1496532630 · Edited Reply with quote #1
  Up until now I have avoided the "AR" styled rifle family, just never had any desire for one. I was always content with military styled rifles which were stocked in wood, you know the ones. And then it changed in the past few days. I could tell you it did not start as the byproduct of an odd dream, but that would be a lie, it did, and it got me pondering this particular omission seriously.
  so, looking at entry level options, not going to jump in top shelf, or do a build, just looking to an entry level rifle around 5 bills. What with being off work for the next 3 moth, having to buy a lot of new ammo, mis gear and mags that's about my gun budget for the summer. After a few hours looking Bear Creek and Del-Ton seem to have models in my range which seem to be highly rated. Any others out there?
  Posted 1496643142 Reply with quote #2
  You might want to look at Palmetto State Armory's site, as they have a lot of assembled uppers, lowers and complete rifles. They generally have some weekend sales, and holiday sales going on too. Good Luck on your shopping trip.
  Posted 1496677654 Reply with quote #3
  They are a bit above your mark, but I've been reasonably impressed with the basic S&W versions.
  Posted 1496822916 Reply with quote #4
  Well my wife changed the whole plan. This whole thing started with her carpal tunnel, and her having issues reloading and manipulating her favorite longarm the Marlin .357 carbine. So, the pan was to give her my carbine, and get an AR. But she does not want my carbine. What does she want you may well ask? Well her friend just got a brand new monkey gun from her husband for her birthday, and my wife has fallen in love with it. Loves the feel of it and the hand to hand magazine exchange. So now she wants a Hi-Point carbine. If you are married you know how this ends, you just cannot convince a woman she is ummmm misguided, yeah misguided they are never wrong. So, a new Hi-Pont in .45 acp it will be.
  Not terribly upset, I know more than a few people with them, and they are ugly, but they shoot reliably. Yeah have seen the internet bias, but in real first hand reports I have heard there are few horror stories. And the caliber, well its no long range monster but will wring the .45 acp out better than a pistol, and well she was using a carbine anyways, so its kind of a toss up., not really losing capability or gaining. The good news is, well with the money saved I can probably pick up that Taurus M380 I been looking at...
  Posted 1496897991 Reply with quote #5
  I have not shot the carbine. Though I did own the JHP45. It shot good and was plenty accurate.
  I do not remember the round count. I know 4,000 plus rounds and no trouble.
  Sold it last year to a friend.
  Posted 1496947764 Reply with quote #6
  DPMS Oracle has a Dealer price right now of $410 and may be found for retail as low as $450 depending on how motivated the sellers are in your area.
  It will also come with a $75 Cash rebate that you file on line for. So if you find one for $450 and get the rebate you are $375 plus your sales tax into it. You the have to add a Red Dot or other optic. so with putting a very good optic on it you are still under your $500.
  AR's won't get cheaper as the Manufacturers over built getting ready for President Hillary. So, now they are stuck with inventory and offering lower prices and large rebates.
  Posted 1497008289 Reply with quote #7
  Lee, I can't speak for the HiPoint .45 ACP but I do have a Beretta CX4 in 9mm. It should weigh about the same as the HiPoiint. The 9mm CX4 has noticeably more recoil than an AR. I suspect the Hipoint in .45 ACP is gonna have some serious recoil, far more than an AR. Heavy bullets make heavy recoil and physics confirms this. Even moreso shooting confirms this convincingly.
  Has your wife shot the HiPoint .45 ACP? If not, I'd try to arrange for her to shoot both an AR and the HiPoint just to be sure the recoil isn't going to be a problem.
  Posted 1497093397 Reply with quote #8
  Yeah she shot it, her friends is .45. She says it is not much different than her Marlin .357 mag shooting heavy Buffalo Bore loads, so, got to take her word it is her desire. Besides, ever really talk a woman out of anything? If she ends up not liking, the worst that happens is we have to pay more for the AR and sell off the money gun to pay of the difference.
  Posted 1497098038 Reply with quote #9
  Since she's shot it, she knows what it feels like and still likes it - sounds like she'll be happy with it, so why not?
  LOL, yeah, I've tried to talk a woman's mind - I know what you're up against. OTOH, who can really say this isn't the best choice for her, well other than me ? But then I'm a spoiled rotten AR guy.
  And with that, congrats on the new gun!
  Posted 1497113887 Reply with quote #10
  A story where someone ends up with a new gun is what I call a happy ending.
  Posted 1497269241 Reply with quote #11
  At the present time, I do not have an AR. Given the current prices, I may have to change that situation. I just don't like the idea of having another type of mag and ammo to buy.
  Posted 1497282368 Reply with quote #12
  Here now, as JD said, anytime you end up with a new gun it is a happy ending ! It's not like you have to buy a lot of news mags and ammo, you know. Just a little bit...maybe a dozen or so mags and a couple of thousand rounds....just a little bit...that's all....then maybe a dozen or so more and another thousand rounds....just a little bit, you know...keep saying that....
  Posted 1497285553 · Edited Reply with quote #13
  Based on our past conversations there are things that are need to assure you and yours are protected in the coming days. An AR is just such an item. Because it of its ergonomics it is easy for a novice to shoot. Being there is no recoil a novice is not intimidated by it. My M1A would be in my hands but should others be here and I need additional fire power coming out multiple windows there are Mini-14's and AR's available for them.
  AR Mags are the cheapest mags you can buy. The Magpul AR mag is around $12 and is so reliable the US Military is using them. .223/5.56 ammo is not only plentiful right now but the price is coming down every day.
  My stock pile of ammo is not just for my personal use of shooting. It is also an investment. My Grandfather told me that back in the Depression you could go into any bar and lay a 32/20 cartridge ( a very popular pistol back then ) on the bar and get a shot of top shelf whiskey. You could buy anything with ammo as ammo was currency back then and will be again. People with gold and silver think they have protection. They do not. Maybe in a short term crisis but not for the long term. In a long term crisis the barter will be for food, medicine, fuel, guns and ammo. Nothing else will have value. You can't eat gold or sliver nor can you defend yourself with it. Oh, and the worlds oldest professional will still be around so add that to the list of things ammo can buy in the coming SHTF we are headed for in this country . With all this in mind consider a large stock pile of ammo as money in the bank.
  Now that Dave and I have debunked all your reasons for not getting an AR you are now fully justified in the purchase. Now wasn't that easy?
  Posted 1497341582 · Edited Reply with quote #14
  I was looking at Freedom Munitions deal where you get 4 30 round mags loaded, or 120 rounds plus 4 mags for 90 bucks. I thought that looked like a good place to start with mags and ammo starter kit. But that was my first investigation.
  Posted 1497349012 Reply with quote #15
  I wanted some 223 ammo back during the ammo famine and found Freedom Munitions. I bought quite a bit of it because I shoot a lot and ammo was getting hard to get. I did NOT like it. It was range grade to be kind. It did not group well in any of my guns and I wound up selling a bunch of it at trade day at our range - and I told people it was range ammo.
  Of course that was then and it may be quality went down during that time to get production up to meet demands. Just a heads up on FM.