text: pulling down a statue does not change history.
  by inmyopinion on Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:36 pm
  quite a few ignorant fools need to know that, the same goes for defacing statues.
  Re: pulling down a statue does not change history.
  by Original Quill on Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:23 pm
  Why don't they put up a statue of Hitler in Sloan Square? Are those British fools biased? Lol
  by Ben Reilly on Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:24 pm
  Are the people pulling down or defacing statues under the impression that they're rewriting history?
  by Didgee on Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:02 pm
  Ben Reilly wrote: Are the people pulling down or defacing statues under the impression that they're rewriting history?
  Well, when ISIS blows up ancient monuments, what do you think they are doing?
  Whatever people feel about statues, by wanting them taken down, they are trying to erase a part of history
  When they are a testament of the good and bad aspects of history
  by Original Quill on Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:19 am
  If so, it's the wrong history. You don't laud an enemy of the state. The Confederates were wrong, we beat them, and quite frankly we should have had a Nuremberg in which the traitors were hanged.
  Statues of Lee and Jackson are testimony that we never put the matter to rest. We will have another civil war, perhaps with sterner measures at the end.
  by inmyopinion on Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:25 am
  they lost the war but they still had the war, why forget what happened.
  by Syl on Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:11 pm
  Every country must have some bad history, they probably wouldn't have survived if they hadn't.
  It cant be brushed away as if it never happened, right or wrong it did. Comparing the way people acted and in the climate they acted it cant be judged by todays standards.
  It may not need to be celebrated, but it certainly should not be erased.
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  by inmyopinion on Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:17 pm
  Syl wrote: Every country must have some bad history, they probably wouldn't have survived if they hadn't.
  I haven't heard anyone screaming about the vikings who pillaged a great deal of Britain, or the romans, no one seems to want the colloseum ripping down and they made slaves fight to the death there.
  by Original Quill on Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:56 pm
  Seen any Viking statues lately?
  by Original Quill on Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm
  Why glorify the bad guys? You don't see statutes of Hitler around Europe, do you? Hitler had ovens, southerners had slavery and lynching? Which is worse?
  by Vintage on Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:33 pm
  If we keep pulling down statues of someone because of what they did in a very different era and culture there won't be any left, someone somewhere will always have a grievance and be offended. I doubt the Welsh and Scots are lining up to pay homage to Edward 1st.
  If people are anywhere there may be a statue, its only of interest from a history point of view.
  What happened has happened there may still be consequences of those actions during his reign that we prefer weren't still in effect but we hope our current leaders are doing better by us these days and of course we now have a bit more say.
  Statues are put up for various reasons, like the one of Colston in Bristol the man may have done good things from bad things - which were generally not actually seen as bad at that time.
  by inmyopinion on Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:42 pm
  yes quite a few but i haven't seen any protestors at the Colosseum.
  by inmyopinion on Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:44 pm
  Vintage wrote: If we keep pulling down statues of someone because of what they did in a very different era and culture there won't be any left, someone somewhere will always have a grievance and be offended. I doubt the Welsh and Scots are lining up to pay homage to Edward 1st.
  It is all open to abuse not to mention rewriting of history every so many years, we need to learn and move on not just remove things.
  by inmyopinion on Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:50 pm
  bad guys? how arbitrary is that, does the winner always get to chose who the bad guys are, at one time the bad guys could have been homosexuals for undermining family values, should we have buried everything gay, if it goes back that would you be comfortable with ripping down every reference to lgbt.
  If someone used slavery to make a fortune to then use that money to abolish slavery and increase health and education were they good or bad, are we going to have a start an artwork, building points system to decide if they need destroying?
  by Syl on Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:10 pm
  IMO, If you have been around forums for a while I have no idea who you are/were previously, but I bet I agreed with a lot of what you said because you certainly talk a lot of sense in the threads you have recently started.
  I also love your sig. x
  by Original Quill on Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:27 pm
  IMO wrote: ...bad guys? how arbitrary is that,
  As arbitrary as the truth. When someone goes to war with your country, you can't get better proof that they are enemies-of-state.
  by inmyopinion on Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:26 pm
  Syl wrote: IMO, If you have been around forums for a while I have no idea who you are/were previously, but I bet I agreed with a lot of what you said because you certainly talk a lot of sense in the threads you have recently started.
  Thank you most kind of you to say so, I like forums always have, I find other peoples point of view very important a different perspective can be quite enlightening.
  by Syl on Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:07 am
  True, I should add that I also disagree with a lot of what you say but that also makes forums more interesting.
  Who wants to post on a Stepford forum?
  by inmyopinion on Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:03 am
  I'm pleased you disagree with a lot of what I say, I just hope between enough people and enough perspectives we can come to the correct conclusion, I hate the current trend of closing down anything said that is disagreed with under the guise it might offend someone.
  Disagreeing without anger, closing down debate, without name calling or pc pressure is essential.
  by Syl on Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:17 pm
  Sometimes there is no correct conclusion, other than to agree to disagree. or alternatively argue till the bitter end.....both are OK imo as long as it doesn't resort to childish name calling or tag teaming.
  One good thing about here and maybe the other forum I am on.....debate isn't closed down because someone says something a bit too un
  pc for the delicate of mind. I agree with you that freedom of speech, obviously as much as is legally allowed, is vital for a forum to make it interesting.
  by inmyopinion on Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:45 pm
  I agree, the idea we must somehow compromise to reach a resolution is flawed, if one says yes the other says no, there can be no compromise other than agreeing to disagree and hopefully part friends, I would hate to be surrounded by people who feel they have to agree with everything I say or friends who would expect me to agree with everything they say.
  You need for and against in every forum otherwise you just get threads where everyone agrees and the next thread comes up.