text: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread - Page 111 - Bharat Rakshak
  Postby madhu » 02 Apr 2020 13:26
  chola wrote: Chini mil has a vaccine. They want to test the thing overseas.
  Who's gonna let the Chinese military inject their population with a microbial agent? Italy, Spain, Germany, France? Politically impossible in the US.
  *Results from a first-stage clinical trial will be published this month, but researchers say more extensive tests would best be conducted overseas
  *Tests conducted in some of the worst-hit countries could help produce faster and more accurate results
  Published: 6:30am, 2 Apr, 2020
  why is Chinese military scientists doing with vaccination ? some thing is not meeting end here.
  Postby Gyan » 02 Apr 2020 13:42
  Jay wrote: Now the New Yorker is saying that a peer reviewed study on the anti malarial drug as a potential covid19 cure showed no benefits at all. Pretty disappointed I say about all the conflicting news. Yes masks, no masks to potential cure, no cure.
  https://www.newyorker.com/newes/daily-comment/a-new-study-questions-the-effectiveness-of-a-potential-game-changer-against-the-coronavirus
  US liberal newspapers are misreporting the results of studies and surveys. I have read most of these studies & their data. Broadly
  Hydroxychloroquine alone 87% cure rate, same as retroviral used for HIVs
  Hydroxychloroquine + Azythromycin =+97% same as Favipiravir from Japan
  Hydroxychloroquine +Azithromycin +Zinc = almost 100%
  Western Nations continue to suffer as Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine protocols is emergency treatment as a last resort and it seems that earliest possible treatment is best.
  Postby sum » 02 Apr 2020 15:39
  Can guess which minority community this happened with.
  Postby nam » 02 Apr 2020 15:49
  https://www.covid19india.org/ is showing only 46 new cases so far.
  If it stays below 150, then the Delhi incident would be a one off, until the next super spread.
  Less than 150, would be a sign the lockdown effect has kicked in.
  Postby Bart S » 02 Apr 2020 16:19
  There is a lot of FUD being spread. A french journalist/doctor who was all over the media bashing Raoult's study was found to be on the payroll of companies selling rival 'cures' that were patented drugs.
  Postby arvin » 02 Apr 2020 16:25
  disha wrote: I think there is a silver lining in the dark clouds.
  3. It exposed the entire Jamaati network which was undermining India. Think of the virus is an agent that exposes not just the top honchos, but from the central node to the remotest node and all the way to the foot soldier. Their place of stay and their support network. Their international buddies too were roped in for good measure!
  I had a severe rat infestation once. The rats took the bait and took it across the furthest corners of the house and died there. I never knew that some of the areas had 'holes' that allowed the rats in.
  Coronavirus served its purpose as the bait.
  Good analogy. Another one is how a PET scanner works. You inject a tracer that gets absorbed differently by healthy and diseased cells and the bad ones get lit up in the PET scan image. This will give away the length and reach of Jammat's influence across the country.
  For carrying the respiratory disease so far and wide despite govt notices and requests, its a good time to rebrand it as TB league Jamat (TM)(R).
  Postby DrRatnadip » 02 Apr 2020 17:03
  ramana wrote: Dr. Ratnadip,
  I read reports that ARDS from Covid-19 is not same as from flu. It's more damaging.
  yes sir..Some pts do show rapid detoriation .. I am trying to collect case histories of pts on ventilator or those who are dead due to COVID directly from treating physicians and residents ..My special interest is to know difference between clinical course of COVID and other endemic causes of ARDS like H1N1.. Will try to summarize and post it soon..
  Postby kvraghav » 02 Apr 2020 17:11
  Bart S wrote: There is a lot of FUD being spread. A french journalist/doctor who was all over the media bashing Raoult's study was found to be on the payroll of companies selling rival 'cures' that were patented drugs.
  I feel one such company is Gilead which is trying to cover the losses it made from remdesivir which failed for ebola, Looks like they want to pitch this as a cure for corona,
  Postby Rsatchi » 02 Apr 2020 17:16
  3. It exposed the entire Jamaati network which was undermining India. its a good time to rebrand it as TB league Jamat (TM)(R).
  Arvinji
  totally agree, now that even the liberandu's are calling for their head, reminds me of Sholay dialogue from Thakur (AKA Sanjeev K): 'Loha garam hai Maar do Haathoda'
  Also can some confirm if this quote truly from Prof.Swamy : 'A moderate peaceful is an Oxymoron like 'Boiled Ice-cream'
  Postby Gyan » 02 Apr 2020 17:17
  Remdesivir is supposedly having serious side effects. Favipavir is also in running.
  Postby kvraghav » 02 Apr 2020 17:20
  kvraghav wrote: I feel one such company is Gilead which is trying to cover the losses it made from remdesivir which failed for ebola, Looks like they want to pitch this as a cure for corona,
  Favipavir is same compostion as hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin right?
  Postby srai » 02 Apr 2020 17:24
  By the end of this pandemic, the US will end up with the largest number of casualties followed closely by Europe.
  Remains to be seen the true impact on the subcontinent. Not enough testing and reporting at this point.
  Postby Gyan » 02 Apr 2020 17:31
  No, completely different, Japanese Retroviral drug
  Postby Rsatchi » 02 Apr 2020 17:38
  Different Hospital in UK dealing differently
  Mostly it is supportive care with O2 and later ITU support.
  Many not receiving antiviral
  HQ is not being used at all at least in the Mersey area.!!
  Postby prashanth » 02 Apr 2020 17:47
  nam wrote: https://www.covid19india.org/ is showing only 46 new cases so far.
  Looks like that site needs an update. Kejriwal announced there are 208 cases in Delhi. That site lists 152.
  Postby schinnas » 02 Apr 2020 18:00
  It is frustrating to see people constantly complain about lack of testing in India. Can more tests be done, yes, but it is a stupid strategy? Because once a person is negative, does not mean they will stay negative. So they would need to be tested again and again.
  There is absolutely NO data that indicates that there is order of magnitude infestation in India than what is reported. If it existed in any pockets, it will come out the way Tabligji Jamat came out with more than 6 of the infested dying and many others in hospital care. Except for the Taglibi followers, there has not been any increase in hospitalisations in India, indicating the for normal population, the spread has been very low.
  More testing will only help in quickly testing the nearby people and completing the contact tracing and associated quarantine quickly. With a combination of symptomatic testing and random testing of non symptomatic people, and watching the hospitalisation cases like a hawk, India is doing a very well calibrated approach.
  With the added lockdown, one would start seeing that the total infections to start dropping from next week onwards.
  Postby VinodTK » 02 Apr 2020 18:20
  +++Agreed Gyan, the above combinations are working as per quite a few doctors
  Postby niran » 02 Apr 2020 19:07
  Arun.prabhu wrote: The focus on the tests is pretty hard to understand when up to 60% of the infected show no symptoms and do not qualify for the tests.
  where does this 60% asymptomatic comes from?
  Postby chanakyaa » 02 Apr 2020 19:31
  Some non-anglo perspective on what may be working/being tried etc.
  ...According to experts, Germany's case fatality rate is so low due to its widespread testing. "In some countries only very symptomatic cases are tested (e.g. in Italy) and in others a broader testing strategy is done (e.g. in Germany)," writes Dr. Dietrich Rothenbacher, the director of the Institute for Epidemiology at Ulm University in Germany,
  Saudis Deploy Clerics to Say Fighting Virus Isn't Anti-Islamic
  In slick videos produced by government institutions, the clerics reinforce the message in soundbites urging social-distancing, highlighting a Muslim's duty to preserve life and extolling the measures taken by King Salman against coronavirus. One featuring several members of the Council of Senior Scholars showed them rubbing their hands with sanitizer before addressing the faithful.
  Postby brar_w » 02 Apr 2020 19:55
  That is an inflated number based on testing. The denominator completely ignores those who were never tested or those who remained asymptomatic or were otherwise not hospitalized. It also takes the Chinese communist party data at face value. For all we know, China could have under-reported by an order of magnitude. The "global" data also does not fully capture what is happening in small pockets or nations where things have gotten out of control. A similar formula, when applied to Italy, would get a number closer to 11% while the same for the US is only 2.3% currently. Similarly, New York has a # that is 2X that of Florida for example. It is a function of how much you have tested, and also how concentrated your cases are.
  Postby arshyam » 02 Apr 2020 20:09
  schinnas wrote: It is frustrating to see people constantly complain about lack of testing in India. Can more tests be done, yes, but it is a stupid strategy? Because once a person is negative, does not mean they will stay negative. So they would need to be tested again and again.
  Agreed. Not sure how many times this has to be reiterated - all those posts explaining why mass testing is not useful in the Indian contexts taken together would itself fill a couple of pages. I do wish people would read before posting the same thing over and over again.
  Postby arshyam » 02 Apr 2020 20:12
  About this Nizamuddin tableeghi crap, I am curious about one thing.
  When Kanika Kapoor was symptomatic (and has since been tested +ve 5 consecutive times, poor woman) and attended the closed door party with a bunch of people, none of the others got infected. Of course, their self-imposed isolation helped contain the fallout, but to my knowledge, no one else complained about developing symptoms (please correct if I am mistaken).
  But with this tableeghi idiots, what did they do in that confounded place that most of them came out infected? What gives?
  Postby Kaivalya » 02 Apr 2020 20:27
  arshyam wrote: About this Nizamuddin tableeghi crap, I am curious about one thing.
  Saar...please do a google on namaz postures. In close quarters, 5 times a day you basically touch everything and your face.
  Or you do something like this ( Australia, speeding on the way to covid testing )
  https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/fqbtuz/dont_spit_on_a_coptwice/
  Postby saip » 02 Apr 2020 20:31
  Kanika 'Covid' Kapoor, would not have been spitting, sneezing or coughing without covering. But these illiterate idiots would not have taken care (spitting jihad?)? I am sure they also did not have enough toilets. Previous SAR-COV was isolated from urine and stool samples but so far, if it is the same about SAR-COV2, is not known (CDC). Also, where did these 1500 people sleep during the four days?
  Postby Rsatchi » 02 Apr 2020 20:32
  Arshyamji:
  One reason could be the eating habit.
  Have U ever attended a Peaceful Wedding feast, U would then know what I mean
  Even though KK attended party, it wasn't an old style 'Rubella Party' or the new style 'Pox Party'(https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... X36U6KwEhV, link for FY!).
  Mostly likely communal eating/drinking habit.
  Postby suryag » 02 Apr 2020 20:55
  Just in, my friend from Vizag called, apparently one of the TJ returnees went around every Muslim home in their area to bless them and now he has turned positive, most likely the area will be cordoned off
  Postby arvin » 02 Apr 2020 21:02
  My theory is since those guys are living a version of Islam as it was in 7 AD. That means no TV, no Mobile, no Broadband but also no vaccinations.
  As per the link below, there might be a co-relation between fewer deaths\infections in countries with mandatory BCG vaccinations.
  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... tb-vaccine
  So to add to the above reasons given by posters, I feel there is a possibe link between BCG vaccination and infections.
  The vaccination might reduce the odds of infection or help in recovery if infected.
  It would be interesting to see how many of those TaB-leaguey members who are infected have a vaccination history.
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  Postby Mollick.R » 02 Apr 2020 21:05
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  Postby sanjaykumar » 02 Apr 2020 21:08
  Please maintain some etiquette, if you must provide assertions on treatment, you have a responsibility to post a reference. I cannot make it any simpler than this. It otherwise undermines your credibility as well as intelligence.
  Postby Zynda » 02 Apr 2020 21:16
  Although, the current situation is very much fluid (& with recent up tick in number of vases due to Tableeghi crap) and with almost two more weeks to go...anything can happen wrt to lock-down continuation.
  But it seems like the thought process today from PM/PMO is not extending the lock-down any further. They are thinking along the lines of Dr. Ratnadip...probably continuation of lock-down for high-risk groups and staggered movements for younger folks in non-essential industries/institutions.
  I assume WFH directions will continue for folks who can avail it and staggered attendances for other non-essential industries i.e. make batches of employees and let them work alternate weeks or in non-overlapping shifts if possible (6AM - 2PM...first round of disinfection if possible and another shift of 3PM-11PM...second round of disinfection). In many IT companies where WFH is not available, the batches allotment are based on seating arrangements i.e. no two employees should be seated nearer than 6-10ft.
  Also if possible, ask all employees to follow basic security measures like wearing latex/nitrile glove, mask and safety glasses to prevent people from inadvertently touching nose, mouth & eyes. Of course, challenge will be in procuring these items in the numbers required especially when the healthcare & other first responders folks may be facing PPE shortage.
  New Delhi: The centre and states must have a common plan to ensure staggered movement of people after the national lockdown ends, Prime Minister Narendra Modi said today at a video-conference with Chief Ministers on coronavirus which, he remarked, was threatening our way of life.
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  Postby Bart S » 02 Apr 2020 21:19
  arshyam wrote: When Kanika Kapoor was symptomatic (and has since been tested +ve 5 consecutive times, poor woman)
  They are just following the 'Test! Test! Test!' motto of that Tedros guy.
  Postby Gyan » 02 Apr 2020 21:42
  Test test is not possible. Even South Korea, which is considered the best in testing less than 1% of its population.
  Better to give Hydroxychloroquine or Chloroquine as prophylaxis for high risk personal, unless they have counter indications.
  And Hydroxychloroquine + Azithromycin +Zn+vitamin C to any patient on clinical diagnosis without waiting for test results at the earliest available opportunity. (Same principle is adopted for treatment of numerous infectious diseases)
  Postby Malayappan » 02 Apr 2020 21:43
  Mollick.R wrote: Thus a very important request to Gurus here. If someone can write a pointwise and well articulated rebuttal piece on this subject (Irrelevance of Mass Testing in Indian Context) and get it published through dharmic media outlets like Swarajya or Opindia.
  The first one in Swarajya written two weeks back..
  Since then testing scope has been broadened (as of 20th)
  Postby hanumadu » 02 Apr 2020 21:52
  They probably ate from the same plate. They stay closed together for days like pigs rolling in mud. They mostly likely drank from the same glass.
  Postby pgbhat » 02 Apr 2020 21:53
  https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1245733232240402433
  #Update: A resident doctor of AIIMS who was tested positive for COVID19 earlier today, his 9 months pregnant wife (a doctor posted at Emergency) has also been tested positive. She has been isolated and her delivery will take place at AIIMS.
  https://twitter.com/epigiri/status/1245728258760396801
  In another state government, a senior bureaucrat was reportedly pressurizing the district magistrates to seek fewer #PPE's. Why do the states treat #PPEs as luxury?
  Request @narendramodi @NITIAayog @PMOIndia
  to immediately address these issues. Let's help HCWs before it's late
  Postby suryag » 02 Apr 2020 22:15
  Apart from the unhygienic practices mentioned above, if you every have seen the process of wudhu(cleansing before praying) at a mosque, you will know how easy it is for corona ji to spread, check it out
  Postby Kati » 02 Apr 2020 22:25
  Look at the worldometer figures, and focus on the "closed cases".
  Two weeks ago, the recovery rate was nearly 90%.
  Then a week ago it dropped to 85%.
  Now it has come down to 80%.
  Postby nam » 02 Apr 2020 22:52
  Karnataka has gone to Supreme court over the border closure b/w Mlore & Kasargoad.
  Postby sudarshan » 02 Apr 2020 22:54
  Kati wrote: Look at the worldometer figures, and focus on the "closed cases".
  Did you also notice that it started from 58% on Feb 2, before going to almost 95% around March 5? It has been dropping from March 5.
  The initial data from China showed 58% recovery, 42% death rate of closed cases. Then as the China situation evolved, it went to 95% recovery, 5% death of closed cases. Then the rest of the world started having cases.
  I think it's simply a case of deaths and recoveries happening on two different time scales. Deaths happen faster (week or two from symptoms), recoveries happen a lot slower (3 to 6 weeks). In fact, on worldometer, you can see the recovery rate starting to slow down its rate of fall, and showing signs of inflecting upwards.