text: Minutes of January 1996 Meeting * Caid College of Heralds
  Minutes of the January 1996 Meeting
  [Note: These submissions appear on the Jun 1996 LoAR (Da'ud)]
  The meeting began at about 11:15; in attendance were Albyn Buckthorne, Damien of Baden (Sable Fret), Madawc Seaumas Caradawg (Aurum), Manus le Dragonier (Battlement), Nigel (Trident), James of the Lake (Moucheture), Katherine of Anglesey, Griffin Crosthwait, Ghislaine d'Auxerre, Tonwen ferch Gruffudd Aur (Gold Forest), Caiontighern nic Thiobraide, Kjartan Haldane, Morgan O'Daire, Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (Scribe Armarius), Antoinette Rosarra de la Villaverde, Dietmar Reinhart von Straubing, Elisabetta della Mirandola, Seán mac Conmara, Hektor, Wilhelm Roderick FitzLovel, Agnes of Ilford, Christopher Leyland D'Eyncourt (Precedence), Kelan McBride, Catrin ferch Dafydd (Crescent) Astriðr Selr Leifsdottir (with Nathan and Elisabeth), Eiríkr Mjoksiglandi Sigurðarson (Dolphin).
  Eirikr reminds everyone that the house is open at 9:30 for research on College meeting days. He recommends coming early especially if one is bringing submissions; hopefully we can have initial typing done at 11 so we can start promptly.
  House rules: no smoking in the house, though it is allowed outside on the front porch (but please be careful for the pine needles). Don't feed the dog and please do not place food on or close to the ground because Bjorn (the dog) will think that it may be his. Drinks OK in work area, but please keep food to a minimum. The door to the hallway to the bathroom will be closed if the baby is asleep, so we can go there but please keep quiet.
  Resumes for Dolphin should be in ASAP, today if possible.
  Announcements, presentations, etc. for 12th Night should already be in. Bring tabards to 12th Night.
  Catrin will not be here until very late (if possible), so we will have cake, etc. for her next month.
  Nigel announced that we will have a bake sale at 12th Night. Please wrap individual items per local laws.
  We will also have a bake sale at the Scribal/Heraldic Symposium (so keep baking). Master Hrorek (Chevron) and THL Hyddyr ferch Caradoc are collecting items for a silent auction; THL Hyddyr will actually be running both the auction and the bake sale.
  Altavia, Barony of (order name for Estrella de Vida.)
  The group name was registered by Laurel in April 1982.
  Order name is being returned for addition of identifying phrase (Order of...) or evidence of historical order names without these phrases, as required by RfS III.2.b.ii. We note the example of La Toison d'Or, but considering its stated translation, we do not believe that this justifies the exception.
  NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF IDENTIFYING PHRASE
  Altavia, Barony of (order name for Pearl of Altavia)
  The group name was registered by Laurel in April 1982. The order name is returned for addition of identifying phrase (see above). There is also an order for the Kingdom of Atlantia called the Order of the Pearl.
  On examination of the RFS, the addition of the phrase "of Altavia" does not appears to be sufficient difference. RFS V.2.b.i appears to directly apply.
  Note: the spelling "pearl" is dated in the [Oxford University, 1971, p. 2107] to 1698, with the meaning dated to 1259.
  NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF IDENTIFYING PHRASE, AND FOR CONFLICT.
  Eranric of Devon (appeal to Laurel)
  Registered by Laurel Feb 94; the submitter wishes to appeal Laurel's registering of the name with the spelling of "Erenric."
  The submitter provides a photocopy from the supplement to Bosworth's Anglo- Saxon-English Dictionary, showing this entry as the base spelling of Æren.
  From the entry, "Eren" does not appear to be an Anglo-Saxon prototheme, and if he wishes to register this, he needs to provide us documentation of its use as a prototheme as opposed to a word in the language. Given evidence of this, we will submit it to Laurel at that time.
  We are treating this as a name change rather than an appeal, based on the evidence presented and the fact that the submitter is asking for changes to a registered name. However, the immediate issue is the evidence supporting the name, not the administrative classification of the submission.
  Garmon Woodworth (resub Caid/badge)
  (Fieldless) A caltrap within and conjoined to an annulet sable.
  Registered Laurel Dec '87
  His original submission, (Fieldless), a caltrap within an annulet sable, was returned for lack of self-contained design for a fieldless design, and the belief that, if fielded, it would have run into an SCA conflict.
  On reflection, however, the device is close to but clear of Barak ben David (SCA): Argent, a caltrap within a bordure sable, as there is a CD between a bordure and an annulet. See [Van Stone, 1995].
  We believe this to be clear of Astrid Ragnarsdottir av Arvika (SCA): (Fieldless) a compass-star dismembered of eight passion nails, points outward, within an annulet sable.
  There is also a strong visual resemblance with this badge and the very popular "Peace" symbol so prevalent in the 1960s and 1970s. In part, this is due to the specifics of the emblazon; especially if combined with the suggestions made below regarding drawing, while we note the resemblence, we do not consider it a bar to registration.
  We will suggest to the submitter to draw the caltrap more carefully as a caltrap (with pointed arms and interior detailing).
  Mathewe Stonethrower (new name)
  Mathewe is dated to 1515 under Matthew in [Withycombe, 1977, pp. 213-4].
  Stonethrower is an epithet which can be formed from stone (dated to 1573 under this spelling on [Oxford University, 1971, pg.3064]), and thrower (in the sense of 'one who (or that which) casts, hurls, flings, or pitches' dated to 1552 under this spelling in [Oxford University, 1971, pg. 3310]).
  The submitter cites [McKinley, 1975, pg. 119] and [McKinley, 1988, pg. 183] for the use of Stone as a surname, and [McKinley, 1988] (on pg. 255) for Thrower. McKinley notes that the name does not appear in Sussex before 1500, but is well established (apparently as Trower) by 1524. It is not clear from his discussion when the spelling Thrower first appeared. Further study of the latter citation shows that Thrower is in the sense of one who either shapes pottery or twists filaments of silk into silk thread.
  Padraic the Fierce (new badge and alternate persona name for Padraic Fraochmhar na Iona)
  (Fieldless) two ostrich feathers in saltire argent, and overall a Celtic cross sable.
  Primary name reg Laurel May 92. The Irish Gaelic spelling of the first name appears as "Pádraig" in [O Corrain and Maguire, 1981, p. 152], however, this spelling is already registered to the submitter, and appears (as Pádraic or Pátraic) in [Woulfe, 1967, p. 196], so it should be acceptable.
  Originally submitted as "Fráochda," we are changing the spelling to conform with our available Gaelic reference [Oireachtaigh, 1980, p. 20, under "fierce"].
  Iona is an island off the west coast of Scotland, inhabited since St. Columba (563); the name appears to be a mistranslation of the Irish, and its age is not clear [Seltzer, 1952, p. 842].
  We note that this is clear of the badge of the Norfolk Herald.
  Erich von Drachenholt (new name, device, personal badge, and household badge)
  Device: Argent, a dragon rampant coward gules, a bordure sable.
  Personal Badge: Sable, upon a tower argent a dragon rampant coward gules.
  Household Badge: Per chevron argent and sable, two dragons rampant coward addorsed gules and a tower argent.
  Name is returned for administrative reasons (extremely outdated forms). Due to the late hour, we did not check it for documentation.
  Conflicts with Quarterly argent and azure, a dragon segreant gules, within a bordure sable (SCA-Konrad Ragnarsson, Jun. '92).
  We are returning this for use of very old forms. It also conflicts with Sable a tower argent (SCA-Anne of the White Tower, Dec. '71).
  We are returning this for lack of a name under which to register it and use of incorrect forms. We also note that it appears to be an attempt to register a household badge and name though there were no forms for the proposed household name (House Drachenholt); normally we would resolve this by considering the item as a personal badge; the submitter may wish to consider a name submission for the household name. No conflicts were found at this time.
  NAME RETURNED FOR INCORRECT FORMS.
  PERSONAL BADGE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT (AND USE OF OLD FORMS).
  HOUSEHOLD BADGE RETURNED FOR LACK OF NAME (AND USE OF INCORRECT FORMS).
  Morgana Elisabétta Rosatti (name change, new badge)
  (Fieldless) a Norse sun cross purpure, overall a rose argent.
  The submitter wishes to retain her current name (Morgana Ravenscrest, approved by Laurel, May '89) as an alternate name and asks that should this name pass that her registered device and badges be listed under her new name. The original submission was Morgana Elisabétta di Rosatti, but we have omitted the 'di' as redundant.
  Morgana is found under this spelling on [De Felice, 1986b, pg. 270].
  Elisabétta is found under this spelling on [De Felice, 1986b, pg. 141].
  Rosatti is a variant form of Rosati which is on [De Felice, 1986a, pg. 216]. The double 'tt' variant as found under Rosa on the same page (such as Rosetti, Rosettin, Rosatto, Rosettini) make Rosatti appear to be an acceptable variant.
  We note Argent, on a cross fleury purpure, a rose argent (SCA, Rayne Louveciennes, Apr. '88), but consider it clear with 1 CD for fieldlessness and 1 CD for the difference in crosses.
  Yllaria of Wildewode (new name, device and badge)
  Device: Or, on a fess sable between three oak trees eradicated vert (fructed Or), a wolf 's head erased Or.
  Badge: (Fieldless) on an oak tree eradicated vert fructed, a wolf 's head erased Or.
  Returned to be submitted on reasonably current forms. Due to the late hour, we did not check the acceptability of the name itself.
  We did not find any conflicts, though we must return it for lack of name.
  We are returning this because she used very old forms. Without the use of fieldlessness, this would conflict with Argent, a tree eradicated vert (O'Connor, an important non-SCA device). She is to be complemented that she drew the acorns as large and distinctive as she did. No conflicts found at this time.
  NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF FORMS
  DEVICE RETURNED FOR LACK OF NAME,
  BADGE RETURNED FOR OLD FORMS AND LACK OF NAME.
  Richenda Elizabeth Coffin (new name and device)
  Gules, on a bend between two daffodils slipped and leaved Or, three crosses botany palewise gules.
  Richenda is noted as 'recorded very early' in Germany under this spelling on [Withycombe, 1977, pg. 254].
  Elizabeth is dated to 1205 under this spelling on [Withycombe, 1977, pp.99- 100].
  Coffin is dated to 1571 under this spelling on [Bardsley, 1988, pp.192-3], and the submitter includes with her documentation a photocopy of [l'Estrange Ewen, 1968, p.324] which dates Coffin to 1275.
  Daffodils are first noted in 1548 in [Oxford University, 1971, pg. 639]. No conflicts found.
  Saint Artemas, College of (New badge_for combat archers)
  Ciarán o Rua Coinnim (new name and device)
  Per pale argent and vert, a trefoil and a stag rampant counterchanged.
  originally submitted as Ciarín O' Reade- Connim
  Ciaran - [O Corrain and Maguire, 1981, p. 51] under heading Ciarán, meaning "dark" or "black."
  Reade - is found in[Woulfe, 1967, p. 664] under heading Réid, meaning " 'The Red,' from the complexion of the face or hair." While this would appear perfectly acceptable as a surname, it does not seem to be an adjective applying to inanimate objects, so we have substituted Rua - [Oireachtaigh, 1980, p. 42], meaning "red" as the modifier.
  Coinnim - Ibid., p. 29, meaning "keep (tower)."
  Daria Angelei Fiore (device resub)
  Sable, on a pale bretessed between a pair of wings inverted Or, three roses gules.
  On Caid's 9/95 Letter of Intent (LoI)
  Eona Mánasjóna Gandálfsdóttir (new name and device)
  Or, on a lozenge throughout purpure, a bat-winged, dragon-tailed sea-horse erect contourny, wings addorsed Or, and in chief two skulls respectant gules
  The given name was submitted as Eona, her documentation refers to [Haraldsson, 1977, p. 9], apparently based on Eðna (the submitter appears to have misread the 'ð' in Geirr Bassi as an 'o'). We were unable to document Eona.
  Mána - Ibid, p. 25, meaning: "moon". It is a standard prefixed nickname; "Mána-Eðna" would be an example of the use Geirr Bassi is documenting. 'Máni" is given in [Zo"ega, 1910, p. 290] as a poetic form of "moon"; Geirr Bassi shows this spelling as a masculine nickname with the equivalent meaning.
  Geirr-Bassi also documents sjóna on p. 27, with the meaning "seeress".
  Gandálfsdóttir - patronymic from Gandálfr, [Haraldsson, 1977, p. 10]. Eirikr notes that it means "sorcerer elf".
  We are going to return this name for several reasons: the primary reason is that we cannot document the given name.
  Additionally, while the submitter documents "Mána," from Geirr Bassi, that particular source documents it as a prefixed nickname, not as part of a constructed byname. While the basic meaning of the name is plausible to modern ears, this adds to our discomfort with the name.
  Opinion in the Caidan College of Heralds (CoH) was sharply divided on whether the combination of "moon-seeress" with the claim of descent from a name strongly associated in most persons' minds with sorcery and wizardry constituted a presumptuous claim to non-human powers, in the sense of RfS I.3/VI.2 We do note that both nicknames individually are documented as being used by humans in period, however.
  Additionally, we note that VI.4 generally prevents registration of a name claiming "close relationship with a protected person or literary character"; the examples cited include "Baggins of Bag End". While this submission is not quite that specific, Gandalf is a rare name, known to many people only through the Lord of the Rings; in conjunction with the asserted magical powers added significantly to the College's unease.
  The monster has been tentatively blazoned as a constructed beast because it fits no known type of heraldic monster. It was suggested to the consulting herald to encourage the submitter to use a more recognizable monster.
  Magnus Bloodgrim (new name)
  Magnus is found on [Haraldsson, 1977, pg. 13], with an accent added to the 'u' (Magnús) there, while [Withycombe, 1977, pg. 203] omits the accent (under this spelling dated to 1200); Withycombe mentions that the name was first applied to King Magnus I of Norway and Denmark, who died in 1047.
  From the submitter's form it appears that his intention is that Bloodgrim would mean 'blood-face' or 'blood-colored face.' While the compound parts are Norse words, Grimm translates to English as 'grim,' not 'face.' We cannot document the use of a pair of adjectives as parts of a compound given name. A possible alternative is Bloðgrimsson; this is too dramatic a change (from an epithet to a patronymic and in meaning) for us to make it without the submitter's approval.
  Andlit is Old Norse (ON) for 'face,' so a possible alternative might be Bloðandlit, though Eirikr will do further study on the form if asked.
  Antoinette Josephe la Rouge d'Avignon (new device)
  Potent (?), a bend vert, overall a crane in its vigilance Or maintaining a rock gules.
  On Caid LoI 11/95
  Returned either for re-draw into a known form of potent, or documentation of this specific form of potent.
  DEVICE RETURNED FOR RE-DRAW OR FURTHER DOCUMENTATION.
  Branwen ferch Dafydd (name and device resubmission)
  Or, a pale gules, overall a winged arrow Or, winged sable.
  Her submission of May '95 (Bronwen MacFaolchiar) was returned by Laurel in Oct. '95 for multiple reasons, all compounded by her request to preserve the sound.
  Branwen is the '[s]ister of Bendigeidfran in the Mabinodi' [Gruffudd, 1980, pg. 16]). One of the heralds present was able to confirm the submitter's documentation that notes that it is translated as 'white raven' in Appendix III (List of Names) of "Welsh Name Construction" by Lady Siobhan ni Heodhusa. Branwen is shown to be used as human name in [Awr, Unk] under "Medieval Welsh Women's Names".
  Dafydd is dated to 1246 under this spelling on [Gruffudd, 1980, pg. 29]. The submitter also cites [Morgan and Morgan, 1985, pg. 81].
  Her previous submission of May '95, Argent, a raven sable rising countourney sable and a dragon segreant gules sustaining between them an arrow inverted azure, was returned by the Caidan College for 'slot machine' heraldry.
  Fallon of Hathyrwyk (new name and device)
  Azure, on a bend cotised argent three thistles palewise proper, in chief a cross of four lozenges argent
  Fallon is the Anglicized spelling of Faithliu which is under the latter spelling in [O Corrain and Maguire, 1981, pg. 94]; it is not clear if this spelling was actually used.
  John of Hathyrwyk is the name of a juror in 1408 under Heatherwick in [Black, 1946, pg. 350].
  Steinsee, Canton of (new warband name for Die Steinwache vom Steinsee)
  The canton name was registered by Laurel in March 88.
  The warband name translates as "The Stone Watch of Steinsee." Originally submitted as "Die Steinwache of Steinsee," the group herald agreed to the translation of the entire name into German.
  Reade Halle (household name for Sean Michael Reade and Tegan of Rolaie Halle)
  Sean Michael Reade was registered by Laurel in Nov. '94; Tegan of Rolaie Halle was likewise registered in March of '94. The submission was for House of Reade Halle, as a combination the last elements of the submitters' registered names. This resulted in an apparent redundancy (between "house" and "hall" as well as appearing a somewhat implausible way of joining these particular names. After telephonic consultation with the submitters, we are dropping the redundant "House of", and forwarding the name as "Reade Halle".
  Reade is an archaic spelling of red which can be found under the latter on [Oxford University, 1971, pg. 2450]. It is also in [Woulfe, 1967, p. 664].
  Halle is dated to 1205 under hall on [Oxford University, 1971, pg. 1244].
  Caoimhinn Ní Eoin Uí Dheoradháin (name resub)
  Her originally submitted name was returned by Laurel with several suggestions. She has decided to follow one of their suggestions. We approve.
  Muireann inghean Eoghain uí Maoilmheana (device resub)
  Gules, a salmon naiant embowed within a bordure Or.
  Registered by Laurel, October 1995
  Her previous submission, Gules, a salmon naiant Or was returned for SCA conflict.
  The submitter will be advised to draw the bordure wider.
  Seannat Aoibheall uí Néill (new name)
  Seannat - under the heading "Seanán" in [Woulfe, 1967, p.200]. On p. 6, Woulfe coments that the ending "-nat" replaces "- án" when used in the names of females or diminutives.
  Aoibheall - [O Corrain and Maguire, 1981, p. 15] under the heading Aíbell; Aoibheall is the modern spelling.
  uí Néill - [MacLysaght, 1985, p. 241], under the heading O'Neill, dated to the 10th c.
  Nygell Carruthers (new name and device)
  Vert, on a fess Or a sun gules.
  Nygell is found in [Withycombe, 1977, p. 228] under the heading "Nigel," spelling dated to 1460.
  Carruthers is a heading in [Black, 1946, pp. 138-139]; this spelling is dated to 1429.
  Conflicts with Lynnor of the Bridge (SCA) Jan '73: Vert, on a fess Or three lozenges above two hearts gules. Only 1 CD is granted for changes to tertiaries; changing number and type does not grant 2. CDs.
  Deirdre Éadaoin O'Neill (new name)
  We are returning this for the use of double given name, which is unattested in Irish. Both Deirdre and Éadaoin appear to be acceptable given names separately, but we could find no evidence of the second as an epithet.
  NAME RETURN FOR STYLE.
  Uilliam ua Conchobhair an Cíoná (name change, device resubmission)
  Sable, a horseshoe inverted argent surmounted by a sword proper, within a bordure argent.
  This is a change from Talon ua Conchobhair an Cíoná, which was registered by Laurel in Feb. '94.
  Uilliam is dated to following 'the [Norman] Conquest' under this spelling on [O Corrain and Maguire, 1981, pg. 175].
  The remainder of the name (ua Conchobhair an Cíoná) is identical to the name previously approved by Laurel.
  We note Sable, a crescent surmounted by a ken blade argent (SCA-Morimoto Koriu, Jun '76); the issue here revolves around the diffrence between a crescent and a horseshoe. Both a visual comparison, and discussion on the difference between a crescent and a horseshoe seems in order, and we are forwarding it to the College of Arms with that in mind.
  NAME CHANGE AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.
  L'Universite de la Tour d'Yvoire (Wintermist)
  Sìne Alwyn (new name and device)
  Argent, a dragon rampant to sinister azure
  Sìne is noted (undated) as the 'Gaelic form' of Jane (as found under the latter on [Withycombe, 1977, pg. 172], and is cited (also without date) as 'a var. of Sinéad' under this spelling on [Woulfe, 1967, pg. 216]
  Alwyn is the "name of a witness who appeared frequently between 1128-1152" under this spelling on [Black, 1946, pg. 21].
  As drawn, we strongly recommend that blue highlighter should NOT be used for coloring devices.
  We are returning the device for conflict with Argent, a wyvern erect contourny azure grasping by the blade a sword inverted sable, a bordure azure (SCA-Patrice of the Misty Fjords, Jan '95) as there is only one CD for the bordure. The addition of the sword is insufficient as the blazon implies that it is too small to be a CD (otherwise the blazon would use 'maintaining' according to current practice -- and the conflicting device was registered well after this practice was firmly established).
  Tristram Selkirk (name resub)
  Tristram is found in [Withycombe, 1977, p. 283], with the spelling dated to 1189.
  Selkirk is found in [Johnston, 1934, p. 293], dated (in this spelling) to 1306.
  There is ample evidence of (firstname) (placename) with no modifiers in English.
  Minutes of the January 7, 1996 Caid CoH meeting were typed by Christopher Leyland D'Eyncourt and Nigel the Byzantine, Trident PE., and edited by Eiríkr Mjoksiglandi Sigurðarson. The meeting ended at 5:30.
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