The whole idea of individuals being foreknown by God from the beginning, and being 'marked off' ('predestinated') to salvation, indicates that they existed in the mind of God at the beginning (Rom. 8:27; 9:23).
Kwa kuwa alitangulia kutuchagua …. Sawa sawa na uradhi wa mapenzi yake"(Efe. 1: 4,5). Wazo zima kwa kila mmoja kutangulia kujulikana na Mungu tangu mwanzo, na kwisha kuchaguliwa kwa wokovu, inaonyesha kwamba walikuwemo katika fikira za Mungu hapo mwanzo (Rum. 8: 27; 9:23).