True, but you'll notice that details are only released six months ahead of J1, so any immediate response to a real innovation would be an SVP or price action. For instance the 3.0 l V6 on Commodore has not inspired ANY activity here, we're just going to watch and see if it tanks. The failure of the 3.2 litre I6 in the marketplace is still a sore point! It was actually quite a nice engine, with a turbo it would be great.