for clarity, let me try again: my earlier attempts at the top of this page indicates that i have no worries at all discussing the article with neutral people. the requests were posted on the appropriate pages and have driven some attention. i have no concern with repeating that again. my concern is with people who use NPOV as a pretext to push their agenda. i am ready to discuss the issues with any neutral editor. considering your edits, i doubt that the people you are talking about bring any good to this article. for the sake of NPOV and any other wiki policies, or for the sake of common sense of humanity, can you explain your reasoning by posting an indictment which proved to be incorrect by the courts to the article. that is a real indictment and it really proved to be incorrect by the real courts. is 'posting incorrect information' your definition of NPOV? that is what i have some concerns about...