Whakarāpopototia te tuhinga:  I kii a Jihadi John ki a MI5 he Mahometa totika ia i a ia e whakamatau ana ki te whakamarama he aha i hopukina ai ia i Awherika ki te Rawhiti, e whakaatu ana i nga riipene hou. Ko Cage, te rōpū pakanga i whakahētia mō te whakapae i ngā mahi a te kaiwhawhai ISIS ki Ingarangi, i whakaputaina i te rā nei tētahi rīpene o tētahi uiuinga i mahia e rātou i te tau 2009 ki a Mohammed Emwazi - i whakapuakina hei Jihadi John i te wiki kua hipa. I roto i te rekoata, ka korero a Emwazi me pehea tana uiui e nga ratonga ahuru o Ingarangi i muri i tana hokinga mai i Tanzania i whakapaehia mo te ngana ki te whakauru ki te roopu kaiwhakatuma o Somalia a al-Shabaab. I amuamu te kaikohuru ISIS i te mea e whakawehi ana ia e te MI5 me te aue e kii ana nga kaihoko kei te 'whakaputa i nga kupu ki tona mangai'. E toru tau i muri mai i tana whakapae ehara ia i te tangata tino kaha, i puta a Emwazi i Hiria e patu ana i nga kaitiaki o te Hauauru i roto i nga ataata ISIS. Ko Mohammed Emwazi (whakaahua, maui, i te tau 2009, me te matau, i te wa e akonga ana i te Whare Wananga o Westminster) - e mohiotia ana ko Jihadi John - i tuhia e te roopu pakanga a Cage e amuamu ana mo tana maimoatanga e MI5 i nga tau i mua i tana haerenga ki Hiria ki te whakauru ki te roopu kaiwhakatuma ISIS. I roto i ngā rīpene hōu, i kī a Emwazi i kōrero ia ki tētahi kaitiaki MI5 i muri i tana hokinga mai i Tanzania, ā, i uiuihia ia mō ōna whakaaro mō te Ihirama me te whakamataku. I roto i tētahi rīpene i tukuna i te rangi nei, ka mea ia ki a Cage: '[Ko te māngai MI5] i mea: "Mohammed, he aha ō whakaaro mō te 7/7?" Ka mea ahau: "Kua mate te hunga harakore". I tāpiri atu ia: 'I tīmata ia ki te kōrero mai ki ahau: "He aha tō whakaaro mō te 9/11?" Ka mea atu ahau ki a ia: "He mea hē tenei. He kino te mea i tupu. He aha te mea e hiahia ana koe ki ahau ki te mea?". 'Mēnā ka whai wāhi au kia hoki mai aua oranga, katahi ka hoki mai aua oranga. Ki taku whakaaro... Ki taku whakaaro he kino te mea i tupu.' Engari kaore te kaihoko MI5 i whakapono ko ana tirohanga he ngawari, a ka whakahoki: 'Kei te whakapono tonu ahau kei te haere koe ki Somalia ki te whakangungu.' Emwazi moaned: 'Ka mea ia: 'Kei te haere matou ki te pupuri i te kanohi tata i runga i a koutou, Muhammad. Kua oti kē i a mātau, ā, ka āta tirohia e mātau koe' - e whakawehi ana i a au.' Kua tukuna e Cage te rīpene hei wāhanga o ā rātau kerēme i whakahētia whānuitia, i 'whakinotia' a Emwazi e te haumarutanga...
I tukuna e te rōpū pakanga tētahi rekoata o te kōrero a Mohammed Emwazi i te tau 2009. I roto i ngā rīpene, e kī ana ia i kī ia ki te MI5 ehara ia i te tangata tino nui. I uiuia ia e ngā ratonga haumaru i muri i tana hopu i Tanzania, ā, i whakapaehia ia i te ngana ki te haere ki te wāhi whakamataku o Somalia. E toru tau i muri i te uiuinga, ka noho a Emwazi hei 'Jihadi John' ka puta ki nga riipene whakaata i mahia e ISIS i Hiria. AUDIO - Whakarongo ki a Jihadi John e kōrero ana mō tana uiui e MI5 i raro nei.