CAROLINE LEAF: The way that you
think, feel, and choose is
unique to you. No one else can
build a thought that you've
just built right now.
It's unique to you.
(Singing) I know my
God has made a way for
me. I know my God
has made a way for me.
ANNOUNCER: Join Kenneth and
Gloria Copeland and Dr. Caroline
Leaf as they discuss how
understanding your identity in
Christ helps you make healthy
decisions with life-producing
purpose, next on the
Believers Voice of Victory.
KENNETH: Hello everybody,
I'm Kenneth Copeland.
Welcome to the Believers
Voice of Victory broadcast.
Let me encourage you today
to get the notes, download
the notes. KCM.org/notes
and you'll have all of
the outlines, all of the
scriptures, and the talking
points from Dr. Leaf. We're
studying, of course, from her
new book, Think, Learn, and
Succeed. Well, for one thing you
want to get the book, praise
God. But the outlines and the
notes will help you follow along
and then you'll have those study
outlines on the broadcast. Then
you can go to the book, then you
can go to the Bible. Praise God.
Father, we thank you today for
this broadcast and we give you
praise and honor for every word
that's spoken. In the name of
Jesus, Amen. GLORIA: Amen.
KENNETH: Join me and Gloria
today in welcoming Dr. Caroline
Leaf to this broadcast. CAROLINE
LEAF: Thank you. Thank you.
GLORIA: Welcome, doctor.
KENNETH: Gloria, you are just
stunning today. I haven't seen
that. GLORIA: He acts like he
just now noticed. 55 years.
KENNETH: No. You have not had
this on five years. I would have
known it. GLORIA: I was kidding.
I said in 55. Is that how long
we've been married? KENNETH: You
sure haven't had that 55 years.
That's a beautiful blouse is
what I'm trying to tell you.
GLORIA: Thank you very much. You
look pretty sharp yourself.
KENNETH: Well, thank you very
much. GLORIA: You've got these
nice shirts with ... Jesus is
Lord. KENNETH: Oh, thank you,
Lord. Amen. Let's read our text
from 2 Timothy 1:7. "For God
hath not given us the spirit of
fear, but of power and of love
and of sound mind." This book, I
love it. "Be not therefore
ashamed." That's his very next
statement. CAROLINE LEAF: Be not
therefore ashamed. KENNETH: God,
he's saying to Timothy, this
young pastor. Can you imagine a
young man pastoring Jesus'
mother? They're saying, "He's
just a kid." Yeah, but God
placed him there. Amen. He's got
the apostle John in his Church.
Whoa. Anyway. "God has not given
you," he's talking to Timothy
now. "God has not given you,
boy, a spirit of fear. He's
given you a spirit of power.
He's given you the Spirit of
love and a sound mind, so
therefore don't be ashamed."
CAROLINE LEAF: So good. KENNETH:
Boy, that stands up and talks to
you, doesn't it? CAROLINE LEAF:
It does totally. KENNETH: And
that's just right there in the
line of what you're talking
about. CAROLINE LEAF: Exactly.
KENNETH: When you allow yourself
shame and self put down, people
have the idea to be in humility
is to put yourself down. That's
not Bible humility. The
scripture doesn't say debase
yourself. It says, "Think of
others more highly than you do
of yourself." Well you should be
thinking soberly of yourself,
according to Romans chapter 12.
CAROLINE LEAF: That's really
good. KENNETH: As God has dealt
to you the measure of faith, you
have a measure of the same
spiritual force that put the
planets in their place. Glory to
God. The moment you made Jesus
Christ the Lord of your life,
you don't have any business
being ashamed about anything.
Everybody's fouled up, screwed
up, messed up. There's only one
man that didn't, and they killed
him on account of it. But thank
God that living Christ is inside
your spirit, and if you'll give
him the tools to work with,
he'll renew your mind and shame
becomes a thing of the past.
CONGREGATION: Amen. KENNETH: And
you walk free. Glory to God by
his blood. CAROLINE LEAF:
Beautiful. KENNETH: Amen. Get us
back into this thing, Caroline.
CAROLINE LEAF: What you
just linked into what
you've just said, when I
worked with my patients,
which I mentioned yesterday,
on the board class that I
practiced clinically for
25 years, and I'd work
with patients that were
broken. Also with the people
with a lot of brain damage and
learning problems and that kind
of thing. Everyone had been
telling them all the time that
they had problems. So, the
constant message spoken over
their life was they can't, or
this is wrong. It was so sad.
They would walk into my practice
with this complete lack of
identity. This shame of it's
hopeless. You're just gonna tell
me more things that are wrong
with me. That was the mindset
when they walked into my
practice. What I decided to do
very early on when I practiced
was to first talk about people's
identity. Let them see the power
of the uniqueness. Let them see
the power of who they are, and
understand that there's
something that they can do that
no one else can do. Let them get
a glimpse into the power of the
mind of Christ. Now, I worked
with all populations, so I
didn't use the scriptures in my
teachings, but I'm talking God's
signs, so it's God stuff anyway.
I would use the terms of signs.
I would show images. But the
contact was just to tell a
person, to help a person see
that you mean something.
KENNETH: You matter. CAROLINE
LEAF: That there is hope because
they would come in with such
conflict. Now as soon as you
strip someone of the identity,
they lose their purpose. They
lose meaningfulness. Victor
Frank was a great example of
this. He was the Jewish
psychiatrist and neurologist who
was in the concentration camps
for three years. He developed a
whole form of psychotherapy when
he came out of the concentration
camps based upon this one
concept of identity gives
purpose and hope, and
recognition that you can stop
everything else from you, the
world can collapse around me,
but you cannot take me. He said
that the ones that survived, the
people that survived were the
ones that had got a glimpse into
that, or coped ... and maybe
didn't survive the whole way
through, but coped and were able
to help others and reach out to
others. They had this sense of
identity. I've been to ... I
don't know if you've been to the
concentration camps at
Auschwitz. I've been there. When
you walk through there, the
whole place is designed to strip
people of their humanity, to
dehumanize, take away identity.
It's unbelievable. You can't
come out of there without being
completely, experiencing the
brokenness and the coldness.
That's what I saw, levels of
that in my patients. So, I
decided from day one, when
someone walked into my practice,
the first thing I would do would
teach them how to find their
identity. I would let them talk
and express their pain, and tell
me where they were at so that
they felt heard. People don't
feel heard. We've got to listen
to people, and really listen
with all our heart. And then to
show them, hey you can do
something that no one else can
do. I developed a profile that
took me seven hours to
administer in my practice that I
simplified that down to an
initial very short summary
profile that I would do.
Sometimes my patients wouldn't
even get out of the car. They
were so traumatized by the
parents taking them, or an adult
that was just so broken, they
would just sit on the side of
the road or something. So, I
would sit wherever they were. I
would sit with them and say,
"Just answer yes or no. There's
no wrong answer. Just let's do
this little questionnaire. It's
all based on brain research and
science. There's no wrong
answer. All I'm trying to
understand your identity, who
you are, how you uniquely think,
how you uniquely feel, and how
you uniquely choose because the
way that you think, feel, and
choose is unique to you. No one
else can build the though that
you've just built right now.
It's unique to you and it's got
an eternal spark in it that's
gonna transform your brain,
create meta and transform the
world." So, I come in with that
level. They would always
inevitably say, "Please, let's
talk." I would do the little
profile. I would print out a
little graphic. I would say,
"This is how you think and how
you feel and how you choose."
They would transform in an
instant. They would see, "Can we
do a longer one?" Within a few
moments, I would have that
person eating out of my hand. We
would build a relationship. What
did I do? I simply gave them an
inside look into their identity.
I spend my first few sessions
with my patients teaching them
about the power of the mind to
change the power of reality. We
didn't even touch on the issues
because I thought, well first
let's see who are you. Let's
first peel off all this debris
and all this toxicity and get
down to the core of your
identity. Let's give you purpose
and hope. When you're in that
position, now you have a
resilience and a strength. Your
brain has transformed. Your
neurotransmitters are changing
the way they flow. Your blood
chemistry's changed. You've
activated genetic switches that
are gonna help you increase your
resilience. You're going to have
a very ... Your brain is wired
for love. So, all the activation
of love is occurring on a
neuro-physiological level by
this stage. So now you're much
more open to say, "Why do I have
that inner conflict? Why am I
battling with this?" Now we're
in a position here where we can
address this because now this
toxicity is no longer their
identity. This is their
identity. And they realize that
this has come through life
experiences, the human
condition, as you quite rightly
said. We all go through stuff.
We all make mistakes. We all
experience stuff. I call it
category one and category two.
Category one, toxicity is the
bad choices we make, and we all
do it. Category two is the
traumas of life that we can't
control. We can't control the
events and circumstances of
life. But there is something
that we can control in both of
category one and category two of
toxicity, and that is our
reactions. But if you don't know
that your identity is one of
power, if you don't know that
there's actually hope, if you
don't realize that your unique
way of thinking, feeling, and
choosing is wired for love and
that's not your destiny, you'll
get stuck in toxicity. People
lose. They get into shame. Now
that scripture says, "You do not
have to be ashamed." If you know
that you have a love, power, and
a sound mind, you don't have to
be ashamed. You can take the
stuff, bring it into reality one
step at a time, and deal with
it. In other words, from a
position of power, from a
position of soundness, from a
position of love, you now have
the strength to deal one by one
with these issues and work
through re-wiring your brain
based on renewing your mind, and
accessing the power of love to
do that. It doesn't fail. Those
techniques, that very complex
profile, I mean I've never had a
dry eye in the studio in my
practice. We would have boxes of
tissues because the realization
to tell someone who's always
been told that that's it. That's
the model. You're broken. You're
a broken machine, learn to live
with it. I was trained to teach
my patients to compensate. I
never taught my patients to
compensate. I taught them
identity and I taught them how
to cope and how to deal with the
realities of life. All of that I
put in my materials. I developed
this profile early on in my
practice. I broke it up into
simple versions. One of those
parts is in this book. A really
simple version that it's in the
middle part of this book called
The Gift Profile because it is a
gift. It's a gift from God to
know that you're as unique ...
Unique means standalone. Each of
us is a standalone designer
babe. KENNETH: It is a gift from
God. CAROLINE LEAF: It's a gift.
KENNETH: Because you're not
gonna get it from anybody else.
CAROLINE LEAF: No, it's a gift
from God. KENNETH: He's the only
one that loves you that much.
CAROLINE LEAF: Exactly. KENNETH:
Amen. CAROLINE LEAF: And
planned. I know the plans I have
for you. KENNETH: Isn't that
good? That is so rich. CAROLINE
LEAF: If you give someone that
revelation, it transforms people
from ... I would see people in
Turkey, poverty ridden
environments. Socioeconomic
political environments in south
Africa. I worked in the
apartheid era, in the schools
before and during and after. I
grew up in that time. I chose
early on in my career to go in
and to work with people that no
one ... If you were white, you
didn't come out of those areas
alive. I came out alive. I'm
here. For 25 years, three days a
week faithfully, I would go into
those areas and work with those
people. I could drive in there
nine months pregnant. I've had
four kids. And I would have an
escort in, escort out. No one
touched me. Why? Because I
brought a message of hope. Nat
used to build homes for those
people, and I used to go with my
teams. We used to go and teach
them about the power of your
mind, the hope, the identity.
This is what you can do. This is
how you learn. This is how you
build memory. This is how you
can transform yourself and your
community. We had one young girl
one day, this is the most
amazing story. I was teaching
this ... I would have hundreds
of people that could just flock
all over from the community. We
used to use the schools. They
would sit there for hours, five,
six, seven hours. They wouldn't
move. These were starving,
hungry, broken people. They
didn't move. They would flock
all over. Pouring out of the
doors just to hear this message.
One day, one young girl was
brought to the front. She came
creeping in and she was
bleeding. We thought it was her
menstrual cycle, but it wasn't.
She had just been raped. She was
not gonna miss Dr. Leaf's
session. This was the
determination, the perseverance,
the mindset that had been
created in that environment. She
crept into that classroom. The
teachers pulled her aside. We
stopped everything to address
the situation. She told us what
had happened. She said, "I'm not
leaving." We wrapped her in a
blanket and she sat by my feet
the entire five hours. I mean, I
get tearful just thinking about
it. That's the kind of thing
that transformed and drove me to
continue my research, to get a
message to the world that when
you understand the power of your
mind to create realities, when
you understand that bad stuff
happens, but you can ... There's
a way of coping. When you
understand the need for love
entanglement, that we as a
humanity are designed to support
and help each other, and when we
pull together as a community on
a small scale and translate that
globally, we transform the
world. Can you imagine if each
and every human operated in
their love identity? We wouldn't
have wars. Wars, crime, racism,
all these things are coming from
people's lack of identity. You
don't fight with someone if you
know who you are. If you know
who you are, you become humble
and loving. Look at Jesus, the
perfect model of how we're
supposed to function, the most
humble, the wisest, the perfect,
the model of the perfection.
KENNETH: And the most powerful.
CAROLINE LEAF: And the most
powerful. The model of
perfection of how when we
understand our identity, we can
transform global communities.
That's my desire, is to try and
show people not you're bad,
you've got to do this, follow
this rule. It is to show you
let's talk about who you are.
Hurting people hurt others.
Hurting people make bad
decisions. If we can teach
people their identity, it
transforms how they make
decisions. KENNETH: Caroline,
there was a man many years ago,
back before and during the era
of the Great Depression here in
the United States. He was tried,
convicted, and sent to prison
for life. I don't know enough
about ... I know a lot about the
man's testimony that I read
from, but I don't know a whole
lot about the background of dad,
true blood. But he got hold of
the principles of love in that
prison. CAROLINE LEAF: Vital.
Vital. KENNETH: And he began to
teach other inmates the same
principles that we're
discussing. Now he never had the
blessing to have a book like
this. He just, the Lord just
gave it to him. CAROLINE LEAF:
He just knew it. KENNETH: And he
began to teach those guys. He
taught them right down the line
of the ... that love is the key.
CAROLINE LEAF: It's the key.
KENNETH: And you have the love
power to forgive. He kept
teaching these guys this.
CAROLINE LEAF: Beautiful.
KENNETH: Well, he got on up in
years. He had been so
instrumental in the changing of
men's lives in that penitentiary
all those years that they, the
warden and they got together and
secured a pardon for him. They
said, "Dad, you're free." He
said, "I'm really free?" They
said, "Yeah, you're a free man."
He said, "Well if I'm a free
man," he said, "then I can do
whatever I want to do, can't I?"
They said, "Yes." He said,
"Here's my request. I don't want
to leave. I want to live here."
CAROLINE LEAF: And carry on
doing what he's doing. That's
beautiful. KENNETH: He said,
"God's given me a ministry
here." He says, "This is where
my life is." CAROLINE LEAF:
That's amazing. KENNETH: "With
your permission, I'd like to
live here." And they granted it.
CAROLINE LEAF: That's beautiful.
That's beautiful. You see, love
wins. Love always ... The
perfect love conquers.
Everything you're saying, you
spoke about teaching in a
maximum security prison just
recently. I've done that too,
quite a few times. I wonder if
you were at the same one. There
were also about 800 guys locked
up for life, terrible crimes. I
remember, I taught these
principles. When I walked in, I
mean I'm a woman, so there's
always those issues of they look
at you very differently. I
remember when I walked up
thinking, wow. I remember there
was this metal thing at the
back, like a little cage thing.
I had all these security
officers around me. They said,
"If anything happens, we're
gonna just grab you, throw you
in there, lock you up, and then
get everyone out, and then take
you out." This is the most
casual thing. I'm thinking,
okay. Now I'm walking in here
and I've got these armed guards
and I've got this big cage thing
that they're gonna lock me in if
necessary. So I'm thinking, okay
well let's just go beyond then
and walk into Atlanta just
teaching these principles. I
just taught for I think it was a
couple of hours. It was boiling
hot. You have to dress up, cover
everything when you're a woman
in these prisons, and so on.
After two hours, there wasn't a
dry eye. Every single guy was on
their knees. I didn't even do
any kind of salvation thing. I
just taught them about love, and
the science of love, the power
of the mind. I walked out of
there. There wasn't a dry eye.
800 men were on their knees
crying. As I walked out ... When
I walked in, there was this,
you're a woman, what can you do.
You just know, all these
terrible thoughts. When I walked
out, there was just love. You
could tangibly feel that love.
That prison now uses my
materials. They teach each
other. There's a whole group of
them. They do the Bible studies.
They do all these teachings, and
it's not one prison. It's
multiplied to we keep getting
these emails of all this
multiplication that I didn't
even ... The seed that was sewn
is multiplying. That's the
purpose of what we're here for,
is to get love because love
multiplies. It's the seed that
never stops multiplying. I mean,
we sew career people never stop.
I also teach on the science of
love, which is vital to
understand how that works too.
We can have long conversations
about this. KENNETH: Well, talk
about the science of love for a
few minutes. We've got about
three, four minutes. CAROLINE
LEAF: Essentially love, from the
scientific angle, we see that as
humanity. Now, we can see each
other. We can see physical. That
is the 1% what we can see. We
can go inside our bodies and
there's brains and there's
hearts. You can go inside those
and find cells. We can go inside
cells and find ... so we can
keep getting smaller and smaller
and smaller. All of that exists
as you look at me and each
other. All of that exists. We
can also go down to an even
lower level, which is your
subatomic level, which then gets
into the world of quantum, which
means energy. It means packets
of energy. Nothing weird. God is
the source of all energy. So,
God is energizing all of it.
That almost fundamental-
KENNETH: And he is love.
CAROLINE LEAF: And he is love.
KENNETH: He is love. CAROLINE
LEAF: He is love. So, what they
find, and that's based exactly
on what you said. Scientists say
that word, God is love. They say
at the most fundamental level,
we as humanity are waves of
love. Love waves. We have this,
we're generating these love
waves. You have yours. I have
mine. I can't take yours. You
can't take ... but we intersect.
It's not ... and we love more
than that. We're immersed in
this gravitational force. Some
Nobel scientists won the Nobel
prize for their work on quantum
gravity, and that quantum
gravity that we're immersed in
are waves of love. Sir Roger
Penrose I mentioned the other
day has done the mathematical
calculations showing that the
most in love. All this love,
they talk about it being
potential. They use a fancy word
called Aristotelian potential.
Aristotle was a Greek
philosopher, and he spoke about
the potential humanity has to do
good and to do evil. They talk
about how we're immersed in the
potential of love. So, we're
waves of love. We're enhanced by
each other's waves or broken
when we're in toxicity. We can
get damaged. You can imagine
these waves like this from here.
This is healthy waves. This is
toxic waves. We're immersed in
waves of love. When we make
healthy decisions, when we
think, feel, and choose
correctly, when we operate in
our powerful mind or sound mind
on normal default mode, we add
more love into the universe,
into the world around us. Heaven
is at hand that the universe is
that we live within. It's a big
concept, but they don't run
parallel. They intersect. We are
intersecting. We intersect with
heaven all around us. When we
step into the love zone, we're
intersecting with heaven. We're
stepping into wisdom. We're
stepping into the potential of
wisdom. That is why we have to
live lives of love in order to
access that power and utilize it
correctly, or we will abuse it
and make wrong decisions and
produce toxic fruit like war,
like disease. Disease comes from
man constantly through the
generations distorting our
genes. That's where disease
comes from. God only makes good
stuff, but when you distort the
good, you get bad. We create
stuff. That power is creative
force. We talk about that draft
the Word of God is spoken about
the fruit of your work, etc.
etc. There is fruit. There is
consequent. There is reality. We
create matter with our mind. The
science of love shows us that
the normal is love. That's the
normal. Therefore, we are wired
for love. We live in love and
the potential to actualize that,
but we learn to fear. We have to
learn to do this. We have to
learn to distort the truth
through wrong choices, through
all that we will. KENNETH: That
comes down from parent to child,
from parent to child, from
parent to child. CAROLINE LEAF:
It goes through generations. The
sins of the father will reach
through to the third and fourth
generation, but we're not
responsible for our father's
sin, so that what does happen is
it comes through the DNA and it
passes through the sperm and the
ova. Then it passed through the
thoughts. As you're speaking,
you influence people's thoughts,
and that passes through. It
passes through the generations,
but fortunately whatever comes
through toxic wise from previous
generations is wrapped up, like
sealed. Our stuff we've all
inherited from the toxic
thinking of our parents and
grandparents and generations
back, which has created
mutations in our own bodies,
which has increased our
vulnerability to disease and to
brokenness in our bodies. That
is all sealed and less
activated. Now here's your faith
principle in action. Faith being
love, etc. and the connection is
that you can, to the power of
your mind, think of power.
That'd be the mind of power, the
mind of Christ. And think of the
faith that you constantly teach
the two of us. When we, through
when we think with our powerful
mind, we think there's always
been heart attacks in our
family. So, therefore I can get
a heart attack. Oh, there's
Alzheimer's in our family. I may
get Alzheimer's. We've always
had alcoholics in our family, or
whatever. You activate. You wake
up something that's- KENNETH:
Hold that thought. I mean it.
CAROLINE LEAF: Time is up. I'm
gonna hold it. KENNETH: Right
there. Until tomorrow.
