VICTIMS WERE LEFT >>> WE WERE UNDERAGE.
>>> WE WERE UNDERAGE. WE WERE LITTLE GIRLS.
WE WERE LITTLE GIRLS. >> I WAS 16.
>> I WAS 16. >> I WAS 16.
>> I WAS 16. >> I STARTED GOING TO HIM WHEN I
>> I STARTED GOING TO HIM WHEN I WAS LIKE 14, 15.
WAS LIKE 14, 15. 14 TURNING 15.
14 TURNING 15. >> BY THE TIME I WAS 16, I
>> BY THE TIME I WAS 16, I BROUGHT HIM UP TO 75 GIRLS ALL
BROUGHT HIM UP TO 75 GIRLS ALL THE AGES OF, YOU KNOW, 14, 15,
THE AGES OF, YOU KNOW, 14, 15, 16, PEOPLE GOING FROM EIGHTH
16, PEOPLE GOING FROM EIGHTH GRADE TO NINTH GRADE AT JUST
GRADE TO NINTH GRADE AT JUST SCHOOL PARTIES IS WHERE I
SCHOOL PARTIES IS WHERE I RECRUITED THEM FROM.
RECRUITED THEM FROM. >> ALL JEFFREY CARED ABOUT, WAS
>> ALL JEFFREY CARED ABOUT, WAS GO FIND ME MORE GIRLS.
GO FIND ME MORE GIRLS. HIS APPETITE WAS INSASHTIABLE.
HIS APPETITE WAS INSASHTIABLE. HE NEEDED FRESH FACES EVERY DAY.
HE NEEDED FRESH FACES EVERY DAY. >> HE NEEDS TO BE BEHIND BARS
>> HE NEEDS TO BE BEHIND BARS FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE.
FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY GIRLS FOR
THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY GIRLS FOR HIM NOT TO BE.
HIM NOT TO BE. IT’S MIND BLOWING.
IT’S MIND BLOWING. >> THOSE ARE JUST A FEW STORIES
>> THOSE ARE JUST A FEW STORIES FROM THE MORE THAN 80 ALLEGED
FROM THE MORE THAN 80 ALLEGED VICTIMS FROM SERIAL CHILD
VICTIMS FROM SERIAL CHILD MOLESTER JEFFREY EPSTEIN LEFT
MOLESTER JEFFREY EPSTEIN LEFT VOICELESS BY THE U.S. JUSTICE
VOICELESS BY THE U.S. JUSTICE SYSTEM.
SYSTEM. NOW SOME LAURMZWMAKERS ARE DEMAN
NOW SOME LAURMZWMAKERS ARE DEMAN AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE
AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE’S LENIENT
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE’S LENIENT DEAL FOR EPSTEIN IN 2007.
DEAL FOR EPSTEIN IN 2007. FEDERAL PROSECUTORS LED BY THEN
FEDERAL PROSECUTORS LED BY THEN U.S. ATTORNEY AND NOW LABOR
U.S. ATTORNEY AND NOW LABOR SECRETARY ALEX ACOSTA ENTERED
SECRETARY ALEX ACOSTA ENTERED INTO A SECRET DEAL WITH EPSTEIN
INTO A SECRET DEAL WITH EPSTEIN THAT ALLOWED HIM TO SPEND JUST
THAT ALLOWED HIM TO SPEND JUST 13 MONTHS IN COUNTY JAIL WHEN
13 MONTHS IN COUNTY JAIL WHEN THEY HAD ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO PUT
THEY HAD ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO PUT HIM AWAY FOR LIFE.
HIM AWAY FOR LIFE. YESTERDAY SENATOR BEN SASSE
YESTERDAY SENATOR BEN SASSE FIRED OFF A SERIES OF LETTERS,
FIRED OFF A SERIES OF LETTERS, INCLUDING ONE TO THE INSPECTOR
INCLUDING ONE TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL OF THE JUSTICE
GENERAL OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, CALLING EPSTEIN A
DEPARTMENT, CALLING EPSTEIN A MONSTER AND WRITING THAT THE,
MONSTER AND WRITING THAT THE, QUOTE, PA THETICALLY SOFT
QUOTE, PA THETICALLY SOFT SENTENCE IS A TRAVESTY THAT
SENTENCE IS A TRAVESTY THAT SHOULD OUTRAGEOUS ALL.
SHOULD OUTRAGEOUS ALL. JOINING US NOW IS THE
JOINING US NOW IS THE INVESTIGATIVE REPORT EITHER
INVESTIGATIVE REPORT EITHER BEHIND THE EXPOSE, JULIE M.
BEHIND THE EXPOSE, JULIE M. BROWN.
BROWN. THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY ARTICLE
THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY ARTICLE BY YOU AND YOUR TEAM.
BY YOU AND YOUR TEAM. PEOPLE CAN READ IT ON THE
PEOPLE CAN READ IT ON THE WEBSITE.
WEBSITE. FOR PEOPLE TUNING IN TO THE
FOR PEOPLE TUNING IN TO THE STORY, THE INDICTMENT LISTED 32
STORY, THE INDICTMENT LISTED 32 WOMEN, BUT YOU FOUND MORE THAN
WOMEN, BUT YOU FOUND MORE THAN 80 WOMEN.
80 WOMEN. TELL US ABOUT SOME OF THE
TELL US ABOUT SOME OF THE DIGGING YOU DID TO GET THEIR
DIGGING YOU DID TO GET THEIR STORIES.
STORIES. >> THIS CASE HAS BEEN AROUND FOR
>> THIS CASE HAS BEEN AROUND FOR MANY YEARS.
MANY YEARS. A LOT OF REPORTERS HAVE FOLLOWED
A LOT OF REPORTERS HAVE FOLLOWED IT AND DONE SOME VERY GOOD WORK
IT AND DONE SOME VERY GOOD WORK ON THIS.
ON THIS. BUT IT IS NOW A DECADE LATER,
BUT IT IS NOW A DECADE LATER, AND AFTER ALEX ACOSTA GOT
AND AFTER ALEX ACOSTA GOT NOMINATED AS LABOR SECRETARY, I
NOMINATED AS LABOR SECRETARY, I REMEMBERED THIS CASE AND I
REMEMBERED THIS CASE AND I THOUGHT, WHERE ARE THESE GIRLS
THOUGHT, WHERE ARE THESE GIRLS NOW?
NOW? NOW THEY’RE IN THEIR LATE 20s,
NOW THEY’RE IN THEIR LATE 20s, EARLY 30s, AND I WONDER WHAT
EARLY 30s, AND I WONDER WHAT THEY THINK, QUITE FRANKLY, ABOUT
THEY THINK, QUITE FRANKLY, ABOUT THIS, AND HOW DID THIS AFFECT
THIS, AND HOW DID THIS AFFECT THEM?
THEM? AND SO I DECIDED THE ONLY WAY --
AND SO I DECIDED THE ONLY WAY -- ALL THEIR NAMES WERE ALL SECRET,
ALL THEIR NAMES WERE ALL SECRET, OF COURSE,ECAUSE THEY WERE
OF COURSE,ECAUSE THEY WERE MINORS AT THE TIME.
MINORS AT THE TIME. SO I HAD TO REALLY DIG THROUGH A
SO I HAD TO REALLY DIG THROUGH A LOT OF COURT FILES IN THE HOPES
LOT OF COURT FILES IN THE HOPES OF FINDING CLUES ON WHO THESE
OF FINDING CLUES ON WHO THESE WOMEN ARE NOW TODAY.
WOMEN ARE NOW TODAY. SO IT DID TAKE ME QUITE A FEW
SO IT DID TAKE ME QUITE A FEW MONTHS TO GET A LIST OF NAMES
MONTHS TO GET A LIST OF NAMES TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. AND I WANTED TO FIND OUT
AND I WANTED TO FIND OUT EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, HOW THEIR
EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, HOW THEIR LIVES HAVE GONE AND WHAT THEY
LIVES HAVE GONE AND WHAT THEY THOUGHT.
THOUGHT. I MEAN, WHEN YOU’RE ADULT WOMEN,
I MEAN, WHEN YOU’RE ADULT WOMEN, YOU THINK OF THINGS A LOT
YOU THINK OF THINGS A LOT DIFFERENTLY THAN WHEN YOU’RE 14
DIFFERENTLY THAN WHEN YOU’RE 14 YEARS OLD WHEN THIS HAPPENED.
YEARS OLD WHEN THIS HAPPENED. AND, OF COURSE, I FOUND A FEW --
AND, OF COURSE, I FOUND A FEW -- I TRACKED DOWN MANY OF THEM.
I TRACKED DOWN MANY OF THEM. THEY DIDN’T WANT TO TALK, MOST
THEY DIDN’T WANT TO TALK, MOST OF THEM, BUT I DID FIND A FEW
OF THEM, BUT I DID FIND A FEW THAT WERE WILLING TO TALK.
THAT WERE WILLING TO TALK. THEY REALLY FELT BETRAYED BY
THEY REALLY FELT BETRAYED BY ALEX ACOSTA WHO WAS THE MIAMI
ALEX ACOSTA WHO WAS THE MIAMI PROSECUTOR AT THE TIME WHO
PROSECUTOR AT THE TIME WHO SIGNED OFF ON THIS LENIENT PLEA
SIGNED OFF ON THIS LENIENT PLEA DEAL.
DEAL. >> SO, JULIE, THERE IS A 53-PAGE
>> SO, JULIE, THERE IS A 53-PAGE INDICTMENT THAT THE FBI HELPED
INDICTMENT THAT THE FBI HELPED PUT TOGETHER.
PUT TOGETHER. PROSECUTORS CERTAINLY FELT LIKE
PROSECUTORS CERTAINLY FELT LIKE THEY HAD MADE THEIR CASE WITH
THEY HAD MADE THEIR CASE WITH ALL THAT TESTIMONY.
ALL THAT TESTIMONY. SO MANY OF THEIR STORIES FROM
SO MANY OF THEIR STORIES FROM THESE YOUNG WOMEN -- GIRLS,
THESE YOUNG WOMEN -- GIRLS, LET’S CALL THEM WHAT THEY WERE
LET’S CALL THEM WHAT THEY WERE AT THE TIME, GIRLS -- LINED UP.
AT THE TIME, GIRLS -- LINED UP. THEY TOLD A VERSION OF THE SAME
THEY TOLD A VERSION OF THE SAME STORY.
STORY. HOW DID THIS PLEA DEAL HAPPEN?
HOW DID THIS PLEA DEAL HAPPEN? TAKE US INSIDE ALEX ACOSTA AND
TAKE US INSIDE ALEX ACOSTA AND THE DEAL HE MADE WITH JEFFREY
THE DEAL HE MADE WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN.
EPSTEIN. >> WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS CASE
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS CASE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, THE
FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, THE POLICE WERE THE ONLY PEOPLE, THE
POLICE WERE THE ONLY PEOPLE, THE PALM BEACH POLICE WERE THE ONLY
PALM BEACH POLICE WERE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WERE REALLY ON THE
PEOPLE THAT WERE REALLY ON THE GIRLS’ SIDE, SO TO SPEAK.
GIRLS’ SIDE, SO TO SPEAK. THEY WERE TRYING TO CONVINCE
THEY WERE TRYING TO CONVINCE FIRST THE STATE PROSECUTOR TO
FIRST THE STATE PROSECUTOR TO PROSECUTE HIM, AND THAT FAILED.
PROSECUTE HIM, AND THAT FAILED. AND THEN THEY TOOK IT TO THE FBI
AND THEN THEY TOOK IT TO THE FBI AND FINALLY IT ENDED UP UNDER
AND FINALLY IT ENDED UP UNDER ALEX ACOSTA’S PURVIEW.
ALEX ACOSTA’S PURVIEW. AND HE HAD WORKED FOR A BIG LAW
AND HE HAD WORKED FOR A BIG LAW FIRM, KIRKLAND &amp; ELLIS, AND WHAT
FIRM, KIRKLAND &amp; ELLIS, AND WHAT EPSTEIN DID SHREWDLY WAS HIRE A
EPSTEIN DID SHREWDLY WAS HIRE A BUNCH OF ATTORNEYS WITH TIES TO
BUNCH OF ATTORNEYS WITH TIES TO THAT LAW FIRM, KENNETH STARR,
THAT LAW FIRM, KENNETH STARR, JAY LEFKOWITZ, A FEW OTHER
JAY LEFKOWITZ, A FEW OTHER PEOPLE WHO WERE PRETTY POWERFUL,
PEOPLE WHO WERE PRETTY POWERFUL, SHREWD LAWYERS, WHO HAD A
SHREWD LAWYERS, WHO HAD A CONNECTION TO THE BUSH
CONNECTION TO THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION WHO WAS IN OFFICE
ADMINISTRATION WHO WAS IN OFFICE AT THE TIME THIS DEAL HAPPENED.
AT THE TIME THIS DEAL HAPPENED. SO THESE LAWYERS REALLY PUT A
SO THESE LAWYERS REALLY PUT A LOT OF PRESSURE ON ACOSTA, WHO
LOT OF PRESSURE ON ACOSTA, WHO WAS A REPUBLICAN AT THE TIME,
WAS A REPUBLICAN AT THE TIME, STILL IS, AND, YOU KNOW, IT
STILL IS, AND, YOU KNOW, IT BECAME INCREASINGLY CLEAR THAT
BECAME INCREASINGLY CLEAR THAT HE HAD TO MAKE A TOUGH DECISION
HE HAD TO MAKE A TOUGH DECISION WHETHER HE WAS GOING TO GO WITH,
WHETHER HE WAS GOING TO GO WITH, YOU KNOW, PROSECUTING EPSTEIN
YOU KNOW, PROSECUTING EPSTEIN DESPITE ALL THIS PRESSURE, OR
DESPITE ALL THIS PRESSURE, OR CUTTING A DEAL, WHICH IS
CUTTING A DEAL, WHICH IS EVENTUALLY WHAT HE DID.
EVENTUALLY WHAT HE DID. >> SO, JULIE, FIRST OF ALL,
>> SO, JULIE, FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS REPORT,
CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS REPORT, AND IT’S ONE OF THE REASONS
AND IT’S ONE OF THE REASONS NEWSPAPERS HAVE TO REMAIN IN
NEWSPAPERS HAVE TO REMAIN IN EXISTENCE AND GETTING STRONGER
EXISTENCE AND GETTING STRONGER EVERY DAY DUE PARTLY TO WORK YOU
EVERY DAY DUE PARTLY TO WORK YOU HAVE GIVEN US.
HAVE GIVEN US. FROM YOUR THUMBNAIL DESCRIPTION
FROM YOUR THUMBNAIL DESCRIPTION OF WHAT JUST HAPPENED BETWEEN
OF WHAT JUST HAPPENED BETWEEN LOCAL AUTHORITIES AND PALM BEACH
LOCAL AUTHORITIES AND PALM BEACH COUNTY AND EVEN IN MIAMI, IS IT
COUNTY AND EVEN IN MIAMI, IS IT THE CASE THAT BASICALLY MONEY
THE CASE THAT BASICALLY MONEY TALKED HERE, THAT EPSTEIN WENT
TALKED HERE, THAT EPSTEIN WENT OUT AND HIRED A BUNCH OF REALLY
OUT AND HIRED A BUNCH OF REALLY HIGHLY SKILLED LAWYERS FROM A
HIGHLY SKILLED LAWYERS FROM A BIG, POWERFUL LAW FIRM, AND THE
BIG, POWERFUL LAW FIRM, AND THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES AT THE LOCAL
LOCAL AUTHORITIES AT THE LOCAL LEVEL IN CONFRONTING WHAT IS NOW
LEVEL IN CONFRONTING WHAT IS NOW A FEDERAL CASE WERE JUST
A FEDERAL CASE WERE JUST OUTGUNNED LEGALLY?
OUTGUNNED LEGALLY? >> YES.
>> YES. THEY WERE DEFINITELY OUTGUNNED.
THEY WERE DEFINITELY OUTGUNNED. BUT ALSO I THINK THAT THE
BUT ALSO I THINK THAT THE PROSECUTORS, BOTH STATE AND
PROSECUTORS, BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL PROSECUTORS, WERE -- YOU
FEDERAL PROSECUTORS, WERE -- YOU KNOW, THEY WERE KIND OF ENAMORED
KNOW, THEY WERE KIND OF ENAMORED BY THESE BIG NAME ATTORNEYS.
BY THESE BIG NAME ATTORNEYS. REMEMBER, IT WAS ALAN
REMEMBER, IT WAS ALAN DERSHOWITZ, TOO.
DERSHOWITZ, TOO. ALAN DERSHOWITZ WAS THE FIRST
ALAN DERSHOWITZ WAS THE FIRST LAWYER HE HIRED, AND HE FLEW
LAWYER HE HIRED, AND HE FLEW DOWN TO PALM BEACH, HE MET WITH
DOWN TO PALM BEACH, HE MET WITH ALL THESE PEOPLE.
ALL THESE PEOPLE. I HAD ONE PROSECUTOR WHO WAS
I HAD ONE PROSECUTOR WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THE CASE TELL ME
INVOLVED IN THE CASE TELL ME THAT HE REMEMBERS SITTING IN A
THAT HE REMEMBERS SITTING IN A ROOM WITH ALL THESE LAWYERS AND
ROOM WITH ALL THESE LAWYERS AND THINKING, WOW, THERE ARE
THINKING, WOW, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS SITTING HERE AT THE TABLE WITH
SITTING HERE AT THE TABLE WITH ME.
ME. SO THEY WERE PRETTY, YOU KNOW,
SO THEY WERE PRETTY, YOU KNOW, ENAM MORE
ENAM MORE ENAMORED BY THESE LAWYERS AND
ENAMORED BY THESE LAWYERS AND THE CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN
THE CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN PROSECUTORS AND THESE LAWYERS
PROSECUTORS AND THESE LAWYERS SHOWED HOW ENAMORED THEY WERE.
SHOWED HOW ENAMORED THEY WERE. THEY WERE VERY AMICABLE AND
THEY WERE VERY AMICABLE AND CORDIAL AND THEY WERE REALLY
CORDIAL AND THEY WERE REALLY TRYING TO WORK WITH HIM FROM THE
TRYING TO WORK WITH HIM FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
VERY BEGINNING. >> DIDN’T ONE OF THE GIRLS
>> DIDN’T ONE OF THE GIRLS IDENTIFY ALAN DERSHOWITZ IN YOUR
IDENTIFY ALAN DERSHOWITZ IN YOUR STORY?
STORY? >> YES.
>> YES. SHE HAS BEEN ON COURT RECORD AS
SHE HAS BEEN ON COURT RECORD AS IDENTIFYING MR. DERSHOWITZ AS
IDENTIFYING MR. DERSHOWITZ AS BEING ONE OF THE PEOPLE SHE WAS
BEING ONE OF THE PEOPLE SHE WAS DIRECTED TO HAVE SEX WITH BY
DIRECTED TO HAVE SEX WITH BY JEFFREY EPSTEIN.
JEFFREY EPSTEIN. OF COURSE, MR. DERSHOWITZ HAS
OF COURSE, MR. DERSHOWITZ HAS DENIED THAT HE WAS EVER
DENIED THAT HE WAS EVER INVOLVED, THAT HE EVER MET HER.
INVOLVED, THAT HE EVER MET HER. BUT SHE HAS BEEN STANDING BY
BUT SHE HAS BEEN STANDING BY THAT STORY.
THAT STORY. >> AND WHAT IS THAT STORY?
>> AND WHAT IS THAT STORY? >> WELL, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE
>> WELL, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE SHE WAS, YOU KNOW, WITH EPSTEIN
SHE WAS, YOU KNOW, WITH EPSTEIN THAT THERE WAS MANY POWERFUL
THAT THERE WAS MANY POWERFUL PEOPLE THAT HE DIRECTED HER TO
PEOPLE THAT HE DIRECTED HER TO HAVE SEX WITH, AND HER STORY IS
HAVE SEX WITH, AND HER STORY IS THAT HE DID THIS IN ORDER TO
THAT HE DID THIS IN ORDER TO GAIN LEVERAGE OVER SOME POWERFUL
GAIN LEVERAGE OVER SOME POWERFUL PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. >> BUT SPECIFICALLY ALAN
>> BUT SPECIFICALLY ALAN DERSHOWITZ, WHAT WAS HER CLAIM
DERSHOWITZ, WHAT WAS HER CLAIM AGAINST ALAN DERSHOWITZ?
AGAINST ALAN DERSHOWITZ? >> THAT SHE HAD BEEN DIRECTED TO
>> THAT SHE HAD BEEN DIRECTED TO HAVE SEX WITH HIM SEVERAL TIMES
HAVE SEX WITH HIM SEVERAL TIMES WHEN SHE WAS 16.
WHEN SHE WAS 16. SHE WAS UNDERAGE.
SHE WAS UNDERAGE. >> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE
>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE LOCAL KNOWLEDGE OF THIS CASE.
LOCAL KNOWLEDGE OF THIS CASE. I CAN TELL YOU IN NEW YORK WE
I CAN TELL YOU IN NEW YORK WE HAD HEARD FROM TIME TO TIME,
HAD HEARD FROM TIME TO TIME, EVEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS
EVEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS CAMPAIGN OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN
CAMPAIGN OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN FLYING AROUND WITH VERY POWERFUL
FLYING AROUND WITH VERY POWERFUL PEOPLE AND TALK OF, QUOTE, ORGY
PEOPLE AND TALK OF, QUOTE, ORGY ISLAND WHERE HE WOULD FLY VERY
ISLAND WHERE HE WOULD FLY VERY POWERFUL PEOPLE TO AN ISLAND TO
POWERFUL PEOPLE TO AN ISLAND TO HAVE SEX WITH UNDERAGE WOMEN OR
HAVE SEX WITH UNDERAGE WOMEN OR PERHAPS VERY YOUNG WOMEN WHO MAY
PERHAPS VERY YOUNG WOMEN WHO MAY HAVE BEEN OF AGE.
HAVE BEEN OF AGE. WAS IT COMMON KNOWLEDGE IN PALM
WAS IT COMMON KNOWLEDGE IN PALM BEACH AS WELL THAT HE WAS
BEACH AS WELL THAT HE WAS CONDUCTING THE SAME TYPE OF
CONDUCTING THE SAME TYPE OF ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR THERE?
ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR THERE? >> NO.
>> NO. IN FACT, I THINK IT KIND OF WENT
IN FACT, I THINK IT KIND OF WENT UNDER THE RADAR BECAUSE THE
UNDER THE RADAR BECAUSE THE POLICE WERE PRETTY SURPRISED
POLICE WERE PRETTY SURPRISED WHEN THEY REALIZED HOW EXTENSIVE
WHEN THEY REALIZED HOW EXTENSIVE IT WAS.
IT WAS. BECAUSE REMEMBER, HE HAD THESE
BECAUSE REMEMBER, HE HAD THESE YOUNG GIRLS GOING TO HIS MANSION
YOUNG GIRLS GOING TO HIS MANSION LIKE TWO, THREE TIMES A DAY.
LIKE TWO, THREE TIMES A DAY. IT WAS LIKE A REVOLVING DOOR.
IT WAS LIKE A REVOLVING DOOR. AND WHEN POLICE FIRST DISCOVERED
AND WHEN POLICE FIRST DISCOVERED IT, THEY WERE PRETTY SHOCKED.
IT, THEY WERE PRETTY SHOCKED. >> DID YOU TALK TO NEIGHBORS WHO
>> DID YOU TALK TO NEIGHBORS WHO NOTICED THAT YOUNG, UNDERAGE
NOTICED THAT YOUNG, UNDERAGE GIRLS WERE CONSTANTLY GOING INTO
GIRLS WERE CONSTANTLY GOING INTO THIS CREEP’S MANSION?
THIS CREEP’S MANSION? >> YEAH, BUT REMEMBER, THIS IS A
>> YEAH, BUT REMEMBER, THIS IS A PRETTY LEAFY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A
PRETTY LEAFY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A LOT OF PALM TREES, AND HE HAS A
LOT OF PALM TREES, AND HE HAS A BIG GATE AND A FENCE IN FRONT OF
BIG GATE AND A FENCE IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE.
HIS HOUSE. SO, YOU KNOW, THESE GIRLS WOULD
SO, YOU KNOW, THESE GIRLS WOULD COME IN A TAXI AND GO THROUGH
COME IN A TAXI AND GO THROUGH THE GATES, AND I’M NOT SURE HOW
THE GATES, AND I’M NOT SURE HOW MUCH -- IT’S NOT LIKE THEY WERE
MUCH -- IT’S NOT LIKE THEY WERE WALKING DOWN THE STREET OR
WALKING DOWN THE STREET OR ANYTHING.
ANYTHING. SO I’M NOT SURE HOW MUCH THE
SO I’M NOT SURE HOW MUCH THE NEIGHBORS WOULD HAVE REALLY BEEN
NEIGHBORS WOULD HAVE REALLY BEEN ABLE TO SEE.
ABLE TO SEE. >> BASED ON YOUR REPORTING,
>> BASED ON YOUR REPORTING, BASED ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THIS
BASED ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THIS CASE, ARE THERE A LOT OF
CASE, ARE THERE A LOT OF WEALTHY, VERY POWERFUL,
WEALTHY, VERY POWERFUL, WELL-KNOWN MEN, BOTH REPUBLICAN
WELL-KNOWN MEN, BOTH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC POLITICIANS AND
AND DEMOCRATIC POLITICIANS AND POWER BROKERS, WHO WOULD FEAR
POWER BROKERS, WHO WOULD FEAR THIS CASE BEING IN OPEN COURT?
THIS CASE BEING IN OPEN COURT? >> WELL, IT’S HARD TO SAY.
>> WELL, IT’S HARD TO SAY. THESE RUMORS HAVE BEEN GOING
THESE RUMORS HAVE BEEN GOING AROUND FOR A WHILE.
AROUND FOR A WHILE. I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF
I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF POWERFUL, INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE
POWERFUL, INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE WHO, IF THEY WEREN’T INVOLVED IN
WHO, IF THEY WEREN’T INVOLVED IN THIS, THEY KNEW IT WAS
THIS, THEY KNEW IT WAS HAPPENING.
HAPPENING. >> WHO WERE SOME OF HIS POWERFUL
>> WHO WERE SOME OF HIS POWERFUL AND INFLUENTIAL FRIENDS, PEOPLE
AND INFLUENTIAL FRIENDS, PEOPLE THAT TRAVELED WITH HIM THAT YOU
THAT TRAVELED WITH HIM THAT YOU KNOW OF?
KNOW OF? >> WELL, PRESIDENT CLINTON, HE
>> WELL, PRESIDENT CLINTON, HE HAD BEEN ON HIS PLANE DOZENS OF
HAD BEEN ON HIS PLANE DOZENS OF TIMES, INCLUDING WITH THE SECRET
TIMES, INCLUDING WITH THE SECRET SERVICE.
SERVICE. THERE WERE ACTORS.
THERE WERE ACTORS. KEVIN SPACEY, THERE WERE WORLD
KEVIN SPACEY, THERE WERE WORLD LEADERS, FORMER PRIME MINISTERS.
LEADERS, FORMER PRIME MINISTERS. I MEAN, HE HAD A LOT OF POWERFUL
I MEAN, HE HAD A LOT OF POWERFUL PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. >> WHAT FORMER PRIME MINISTERS?
>> WHAT FORMER PRIME MINISTERS? >> BARACK, HE HAD BEEN FRIENDS
>> BARACK, HE HAD BEEN FRIENDS WITH HIM FOR A WHILE.
WITH HIM FOR A WHILE. OTHER THAN THAT, HE ALSO HAD
OTHER THAN THAT, HE ALSO HAD BEEN DONATING A LOT OF MONEY TO
BEEN DONATING A LOT OF MONEY TO PEOPLE LIKE BILL RICHARDSON AND
PEOPLE LIKE BILL RICHARDSON AND OTHER POLITICALLY ACTIVE PEOPLE.
OTHER POLITICALLY ACTIVE PEOPLE. >> I NEED TO MAKE THIS AS
>> I NEED TO MAKE THIS AS POINTED AS POSSIBLE.
POINTED AS POSSIBLE. WHEN THE 2016 CASE WAS GETTING
WHEN THE 2016 CASE WAS GETTING GOING, THERE WAS KNOWLEDGE ABOUT
GOING, THERE WAS KNOWLEDGE ABOUT PRESIDENT CLINTON, THAT HE HAD
PRESIDENT CLINTON, THAT HE HAD TAKEN A LOT OF PLANE TRIPS WITH
TAKEN A LOT OF PLANE TRIPS WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN, AND THERE WAS
JEFFREY EPSTEIN, AND THERE WAS THE POSSIBILITY IF THERE WAS
THE POSSIBILITY IF THERE WAS EXPOSURE OF THOSE FLIGHTS AND
EXPOSURE OF THOSE FLIGHTS AND WHAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED WHEN HE
WHAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED WHEN HE WAS SPENDING TIME WITH JEFFREY
WAS SPENDING TIME WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN ON HIS ISLAND THAT THAT
EPSTEIN ON HIS ISLAND THAT THAT MIGHT BE A PROBLEM FOR HILLARY
MIGHT BE A PROBLEM FOR HILLARY CLINTON.
CLINTON. AT THE SAME TIME, JEFFREY
AT THE SAME TIME, JEFFREY EPSTEIN ALSO A GOOD, LONG,
EPSTEIN ALSO A GOOD, LONG, SOCIAL FRIEND OF DONALD TRUMP,
SOCIAL FRIEND OF DONALD TRUMP, SOMEONE HE SPENT A LOFT TIME
SOMEONE HE SPENT A LOFT TIME WITH.
WITH. I’M CURIOUS IN A VERY SPECIFIC
I’M CURIOUS IN A VERY SPECIFIC WAY WHETHER YOU THINK THOSE
WAY WHETHER YOU THINK THOSE RELATIONSHIPS -- YOU MENTION AID
RELATIONSHIPS -- YOU MENTION AID BUNCH OF OTHER ONES BUT I’M
BUNCH OF OTHER ONES BUT I’M MOSTLY FOCUSED ON THESE TWO
MOSTLY FOCUSED ON THESE TWO BECAUSE WE ENDED UP WITH HILLARY
BECAUSE WE ENDED UP WITH HILLARY CLINTON AND DONALD TRUMP AS
CLINTON AND DONALD TRUMP AS PARTIES IN 2016 -- WHETHER THOSE
PARTIES IN 2016 -- WHETHER THOSE RELATIONSHIPS IN SOME WAY
RELATIONSHIPS IN SOME WAY AFFECTED THE DISPOSITION OF THIS
AFFECTED THE DISPOSITION OF THIS CASE, WHETHER THERE WAS A WAY IN
CASE, WHETHER THERE WAS A WAY IN WHICH THE POLITICAL CONNECTIONS
WHICH THE POLITICAL CONNECTIONS THAT JEFFREY EPSTEIN HAD WAS
THAT JEFFREY EPSTEIN HAD WAS PART OF WHAT WENT INTO, ON THE
PART OF WHAT WENT INTO, ON THE BASIS OF YOUR REPORTING, PART OF
BASIS OF YOUR REPORTING, PART OF WHAT WENT INTO THE FACT THAT HE
WHAT WENT INTO THE FACT THAT HE GOT SUCH A SWEETHEART DEAL AND
GOT SUCH A SWEETHEART DEAL AND WAS ABLE TO EVADE SPENDING A LOT
WAS ABLE TO EVADE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME IN PRISON.
OF TIME IN PRISON. >> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT’S THE
>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT’S THE BIGGEST MYSTERY ABOUT THIS WHOLE
BIGGEST MYSTERY ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING.
THING. I DON’T THINK ANYBODY REALLY HAS
I DON’T THINK ANYBODY REALLY HAS CONNECTED ALL THE DOTS
CONNECTED ALL THE DOTS COMPLETELY.
COMPLETELY. I MEAN, I CERTAINLY ATTEMPTED
I MEAN, I CERTAINLY ATTEMPTED TO.
TO. BUT AT SOME POINT I THOUGHT, THE
BUT AT SOME POINT I THOUGHT, THE REAL STORY IS THE CRIMINAL
REAL STORY IS THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND HOW IT FAILED
JUSTICE SYSTEM AND HOW IT FAILED THESE GIRLS.
THESE GIRLS. I TRIED TO STAY FOCUSED ON THAT
I TRIED TO STAY FOCUSED ON THAT BECAUSE I DIDN’T THINK, QUITE
BECAUSE I DIDN’T THINK, QUITE FRANKLY, I WOULD REALLY GET TO
FRANKLY, I WOULD REALLY GET TO THE BOTTOM OF EXACTLY WHY ALEX
THE BOTTOM OF EXACTLY WHY ALEX ACOSTA DID WHAT HE DID EXCEPT
ACOSTA DID WHAT HE DID EXCEPT FOR MONETARY REASONS, BECAUSE
FOR MONETARY REASONS, BECAUSE THIS MAN HAD A LOT OF POWER AND
THIS MAN HAD A LOT OF POWER AND A LOT OF MONEY.
A LOT OF MONEY. >> AND WILLIE, ALSO, NO
>> AND WILLIE, ALSO, NO DEPOSITIONS TAKEN BY PEOPLE THAT
DEPOSITIONS TAKEN BY PEOPLE THAT FLEW ON HIS PLANE.
FLEW ON HIS PLANE. NO DEPOSITIONS BY PEOPLE WHO
NO DEPOSITIONS BY PEOPLE WHO WERE SOCIAL FRIENDS OF HIS.
WERE SOCIAL FRIENDS OF HIS. NO DEPOSITIONS ABOUT WHAT
NO DEPOSITIONS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ON THE ISLAND.
HAPPENED ON THE ISLAND. NO DEPOSITIONS FROM PRIME
NO DEPOSITIONS FROM PRIME MINISTERS OR FORMER PRESIDENTS
MINISTERS OR FORMER PRESIDENTS OR POWERFUL MEDIA FIGURES OR
OR POWERFUL MEDIA FIGURES OR POWERFUL NEW YORK REAL ESTATE
POWERFUL NEW YORK REAL ESTATE TYCOONS.
TYCOONS. >> IN EPSTEIN’S LATEST
>> IN EPSTEIN’S LATEST SETTLEMENT, WHICH JUST HAPPENED
SETTLEMENT, WHICH JUST HAPPENED IN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS, AS SURE
IN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS, AS SURE AS MANY OF THESE WOMEN WE’RE
AS MANY OF THESE WOMEN WE’RE HEARING ABOUT THANKS TO JULIE
HEARING ABOUT THANKS TO JULIE AND HER REPORTING TEAM, WOEPTN’T
AND HER REPORTING TEAM, WOEPTN’T HEARD IN COURT.
HEARD IN COURT. WE WON’T HEAR THEIR STORIES IN
WE WON’T HEAR THEIR STORIES IN COURT.
COURT. JULIE, LET ME FOLLOWIT,
JULIE, LET ME FOLLOWIT, DID ANY OF THE WOMEN YOU SPOKE
DID ANY OF THE WOMEN YOU SPOKE TO, AND THERE ARE MORE THAN 80,
TO, AND THERE ARE MORE THAN 80, MAKE ANY SPECIFIC CLAIM ABOUT
MAKE ANY SPECIFIC CLAIM ABOUT EITHER PRESIDENT TRUMP OR
EITHER PRESIDENT TRUMP OR PRESIDENT CLINTON?
PRESIDENT CLINTON? >> NO.
>> NO. NO.
NO. I THINK -- WHAT I’VE BEEN
I THINK -- WHAT I’VE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE, OF COURSE I’M
TELLING PEOPLE, OF COURSE I’M GETTING A LOT OF FEED BACK ABOUT
GETTING A LOT OF FEED BACK ABOUT THE STORY, WHAT ABOUT TRUMP,
THE STORY, WHAT ABOUT TRUMP, WHAT ABOUT CLINTON?
WHAT ABOUT CLINTON? WHY DIDN’T YOU REPORT ON THIS?
WHY DIDN’T YOU REPORT ON THIS? HERE’S THE REALITY.
HERE’S THE REALITY. SEXUAL ABUSE DOESN’T
SEXUAL ABUSE DOESN’T DISCRIMINATE BASED ON POLITICAL
DISCRIMINATE BASED ON POLITICAL PARTIES.
PARTIES. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO KNEW AND WERE INVOLVED ON BOTH
KNEW AND WERE INVOLVED ON BOTH SIDES I BELIEVE.
SIDES I BELIEVE. AND THEY ALL TO SOME DEGREE
AND THEY ALL TO SOME DEGREE PROTECT EACH OTHER.
PROTECT EACH OTHER. >> INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER FOR
>> INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER FOR THE MIAMI HERALD, JULIE BROWN.
THE MIAMI HERALD, JULIE BROWN. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS BACK
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS BACK TO ATTENTION.
TO ATTENTION. WE’LL CERTAINLY STAY ON IT.
WE’LL CERTAINLY STAY ON IT. >> AND, YOU KNOW, RIGHT THERE,
>> AND, YOU KNOW, RIGHT THERE, THANK YOU SO MUCH, JULIE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, JULIE. BEN SASSE IS EXACTLY RIGHT, THE
BEN SASSE IS EXACTLY RIGHT, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BLOW
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BLOW THIS CASE WIDE OPEN.
THIS CASE WIDE OPEN. THEY NEED TO DO IT IN PUBLIC.
THEY NEED TO DO IT IN PUBLIC. JACKIE, THIS IS EXTRAORDINARILY,
JACKIE, THIS IS EXTRAORDINARILY, THE NUMBERS, 60, 70 UNDERAGE
THE NUMBERS, 60, 70 UNDERAGE GIRLS AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
GIRLS AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CALLING A 14-YEAR-OLD SEXUAL
CALLING A 14-YEAR-OLD SEXUAL ABUSE VICTIM A, QUOTE,
ABUSE VICTIM A, QUOTE, PROSTITUTE?
PROSTITUTE? >> IT’S PRETTY SHOCKING,
>> IT’S PRETTY SHOCKING, INCREDIBLE, IMPORTANT REPORTING.
INCREDIBLE, IMPORTANT REPORTING. I THINK IT DEFINITELY
I THINK IT DEFINITELY DISQUALIFIES HIS CHANCES AT
DISQUALIFIES HIS CHANCES AT BECOMING THE ATTORNEY AND
BECOMING THE ATTORNEY AND ANOTHER THING ON THIS, IF DONALD
ANOTHER THING ON THIS, IF DONALD TRUMP IS DRAINING THE SWAMP IN
TRUMP IS DRAINING THE SWAMP IN ANY WAY, HE’S NOW INADVERTENTLY
ANY WAY, HE’S NOW INADVERTENTLY SO IN A WAY HE DIDN’T ANTICIPATE
SO IN A WAY HE DIDN’T ANTICIPATE BY BRINGING PEOPLE LIKE ACOSTA
BY BRINGING PEOPLE LIKE ACOSTA AND THESE -- THIS GENTLE
AND THESE -- THIS GENTLE CONNECTIONS TO THE JEFFREY
CONNECTIONS TO THE JEFFREY EPSTEINS OF THE WORLD AND THESE
EPSTEINS OF THE WORLD AND THESE IMPORTANT STORIES AND HOPEFULLY
IMPORTANT STORIES AND HOPEFULLY THESE WOMEN WILL SEE SOME
THESE WOMEN WILL SEE SOME JUSTICE.
JUSTICE. >> IT’S AN UGLY, UGLY STORY.
>> IT’S AN UGLY, UGLY STORY. I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT’S
I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT’S SURPRISED ME THAT GIVEN THE
SURPRISED ME THAT GIVEN THE LEVEL OF RUMORS THAT WERE
LEVEL OF RUMORS THAT WERE AROUND, GIVEN THE CONNECTIONS,
AROUND, GIVEN THE CONNECTIONS, THESE ARE FACTUAL THINGS.
THESE ARE FACTUAL THINGS. DONALD TRUMP WAS A SOCIAL FRIEND
DONALD TRUMP WAS A SOCIAL FRIEND OF EPSTEIN’S FOR YEARS.
OF EPSTEIN’S FOR YEARS. I THINK WE ALL EXPERIENCED AS WE
I THINK WE ALL EXPERIENCED AS WE HEAD INTO 2016 THERE WAS A SENSE
HEAD INTO 2016 THERE WAS A SENSE THIS STORY COULD BECOME AN
THIS STORY COULD BECOME AN EXPLOSIVE THING THAT COULD HAVE
EXPLOSIVE THING THAT COULD HAVE NEGATIVE IMPLICATIONS FOR THOSE
NEGATIVE IMPLICATIONS FOR THOSE TWO CANDIDACIES.
TWO CANDIDACIES. AND YET IT NEVER HAPPENED.
AND YET IT NEVER HAPPENED. I THINK ONE OF THOSE THINGS
I THINK ONE OF THOSE THINGS HERE, ALTHOUGH JULIE SAYS SHE’S
HERE, ALTHOUGH JULIE SAYS SHE’S NOT GOTTEN TO THE BOTTOM OF
NOT GOTTEN TO THE BOTTOM OF EXACTLY HOW THE STORY UNFOLDED.
EXACTLY HOW THE STORY UNFOLDED. THIS MAN IS A MONSTER.
THIS MAN IS A MONSTER. HE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH A
HE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH A LOT OF POWERFUL PEOPLE.
LOT OF POWERFUL PEOPLE. THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. ONE OF THE CENTRAL ONES IS HOW
ONE OF THE CENTRAL ONES IS HOW IS IT THAT THIS STORY THAT
IS IT THAT THIS STORY THAT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS ABOUT TO
SEEMED LIKE IT WAS ABOUT TO BUBBLE OVER RIGHT BEFORE THE
BUBBLE OVER RIGHT BEFORE THE 2016 CAMPAIGN, WHY DID IT NOT?
2016 CAMPAIGN, WHY DID IT NOT? I REMEMBER YOU TELLING ME IN
I REMEMBER YOU TELLING ME IN JULY OR AUGUST IN 2015 ON THIS
JULY OR AUGUST IN 2015 ON THIS SET YOU BELIEVED THIS WAS GOING
SET YOU BELIEVED THIS WAS GOING TO BE A STORY THAT WOULD EXPLODE
TO BE A STORY THAT WOULD EXPLODE IN THE CAMPAIGN AND IT NEVER
IN THE CAMPAIGN AND IT NEVER DID.
DID. ONE DEAL AFTER ANOTHER DEAL.
