FOUR CANDIDATES VYING TO SUCCEED
ANDREW SCHEER AS LEADER OF THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA.
EACH, WITH A DIFFERENT MESSAGE.
>> I WILL BUILD A TEAM THAT IS
READY TO BEAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU.
>> Rosemary: AND VISION.
>> IT'S TIME FOR A TRUE, BLUE
CONSERVATIVE.
>> Rosemary: SOCIAL CONSERVE I
HAVE TISM IS A IMPORTANT PART OF
OUR PARTY ROARS FOR THE COUNTRY.
>> I WILL NEVER SELL OUT CANADA
AND PUT CANADIANS FIRST.
>> Rosemary: THIS RACE HAS BEEN
ANYTHING BUT NORMAL.
COVID-19 FORCING A VIRTUAL
CAMPAIGN.
EVEN POSTPONING THE VOTE.
NOW, MAIL-IN BALLOTS ARE IN AND
TONIGHT'S WINNER WILL LEAD THE
OFFICIAL OPPOSITION AND HOLD A
MINORITY GOVERNMENT TO ACCOUNT.
THE STAKES COULDN'T BE HIGHER.
THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS, A
LOOMING CONFIDENCE VOTE IN THE
HOUSE OF COMMONS THAT COULD
TRIGGER A SNAP ELECTIONMENT ONE
THAT COULD SEE THIS LEADER
BECOME THE NEXT PRIME MINISTER.
THIS IS THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY
LEADERSHIP 2020.
>> Rosemary: HI, EVERYONE, THANK
YOU FOR JOINING US ON CBC NEWS
NETWORK AND CBC TELEVISION AND
STREAMING ON ALL OF OUR
PLATFORMS.
IN 90 MINUTES WE'LL GET THE
RESULTS OF THE FIRST BALLOT FOR
THE CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP
RACE, WHICH MEANS, WE COULD KNOW
THE NEW PARTY LEADER IN A COUPLE
OF HOURS OR SOONER.
NOTHING IS GUARANTEED SO THAT'S
WHY IT COULD BE A WILD NIGHT, A
NIGHT OF DRAMA.
COMING UP THIS HOUR, WE'LL HEAR
FROM INSIDERS, CURRENT M.P.s,
SENATORS, FORMER CABINET
MINISTERS AND OF COURSE AT
ISSUE, WILL BE HERE HERE DURING
THIS HOUR AND THROUGHOUT THE
NIGHT AS WE WAIT FOR THESE
RESULTS, TO SEE WHO WILL BE THE
THIRD CONSERVATIVE PARTY LEADER
IN HISTORY.
THE FIRST ONE OF COURSE, STEPHEN
HARPER, SECOND ANDREW SCHEER,
AND NOW WE WAIT TO KNOW THE
THIRD.
LET'S START, OF COURSE, WITH OUR
REPORTERS WHO WILL HELP US
THROUGHOUT THE COVERAGE COVERING
THE ANGLES.
"POWER & POLITICS" HOST VASSY
KAPELOS AND HANNAH THIBEDEAU AND
CATHERINE CULLEN.
THEY'VE BEEN TRACKING THIS RACE
IN GREAT DETAILS FOR MANY WEEKS.
GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.
VASSY, LET ME START WITH YOU.
WHAT WILL YOU BE WATCHING FOR
OVER THE NEXT NUMBER OF HOURS OR
MAYBE JUST THE FIRST BALLOT?
>> Reporter: WILL SOMEONE PULL
AWAY WITH A WIN.
THIS IS A VERY ADD NORMAL SET OF
CIRCUMSTANCES.
IT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM 2017
BUT WHAT DID STAND OUT IN 2017
IS OF COURSE HOW MANY ROUNDS
THEY ENDED UP GOING.
I THINK THE QUESTION IS, ARE
THEY ABLE TO PULL SOMETHING OUT
ON THE FIRST BALLOT?
EVERYONE I'VE BEEN SPEAK TO GO
IN THOSE CAMPAIGNS IS NOT SO
SURE THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN,
INCLUDING, ESPECIALLY, I WOULD
SAY IN THE PERCEIVED
FRONT-RUNNER CAMPAIGN OF PETER
MacKAY.
SO, YEAH, LIKE I SAID, I'M
WATCHING TO SEE WHETHER IT GOES
TO A SECOND ROUND.
ALSO ON THAT FIRST BALLOT, WHERE
THE OTHER CANDIDATES PLACED.
BECAUSE THAT WILL ALSO GIVE US
SOME IN SIGHT INTO WHERE THOSE
SECOND PLACE VOTES MIGHT GO AND
WHETHER WE'LL BE SEEING A SECOND
OR A THIRD ROUND.
I THINK THE BIG QUESTION RIGHT
NOW IS IF ANYONE ABLE TO PULL IT
OUT ON FIRST ONE AND IF SO, IS
IT PETER MacKAY.
>> Rosemary: THE NUMBER WE'RE
LOOKING FOR IS 16,901 POINTS IS
WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN.
HOW BIG A MOMENT IS THIS FORT
CONSERVATIVE PARTY GIVEN ALL THE
THINGS YOU LAID OUT AND THE
STAKES KNOWING THERE'S A
MINORITY GOVERNMENT.
>> Reporter: IT'S A HUGE MOMENT.
WHAT YOU OUTLINED IS EXTREMELY,
EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT RIGHT NOW
IN THAT, YES, THIS IS A BIG
LEADERSHIP RACE AND IT'S A CRAZY
TIME.
WHAT THEY'RE FACING IS THERE
MIGHT BE AN ELECTION IN FIVE
WEEKS' TIME OR CAMPAIGN THAT
STARTS IN FIVE WEEKS' TIME.
THE PRIME MINISTER HAS SAID,
WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUR VISION TO
THE TEST IN PARLIAMENT.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A CONFIDENCE
VOTE ON THIS SPEECH FROM THE
THRONE THAT WE SET FORWARD.
RIGHT AWAY, I THINK, THIS
CONSERVATIVE LEADER, THE NEW
LEADER OF THIS PARTY HAS THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SHAPE WHAT ITS
VISION IS GOING TO BE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME HE
OR SHE DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF
TIME TO CRAFT THAT VISION TO
PRESENT IT TO CANADIANS AND TO
TRY AND GET MOMENTUM TO DEFEAT
THE PRIME MINISTER.
THERE'S OPPORTUNITY GIVEN THE
PAST NUMBER OF WEEKS AND THE
CONTROVERSY THE LIBERALS HAVE
FOUND THEMSELVES IN WITH THE WE
CHARITY AND THE RESIGNATION OF
THE FINANCE MINISTER.
THE CHALLENGES ARE VERY
MONUMENTAL AS WELL.
THE LIBERALS THROUGHOUT THE
PANDEMIC, WERE VERY POPULAR AND
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THEY CAN CARRY
IT THROUGH.
THE CHALLENGE EXISTS AND IT WILL
BE -- IT COULD BE, I SHOULD SAY,
VERY IMMINENT FOR THE NEXT
LEADER.
>> Rosemary: THEY WOULD OF
COURSE NEED PEOPLE TO VOTE WITH
THEM.
IF EVERYONE NEEDS TO VOTE DOWN
THE GOVERNMENT AND THE
GOVERNMENT OF COURSE IS LOOKING
FOR A PARTY TO PROPEL THEM
THROUGH THAT CONFIDENCE VOTE.
LET ME GO TO CATHERINE CULLEN
NOW.
THE DIFFERENCE OF COURSE,
BETWEEN THIS RACE AND THE LAST
ONE, JUST THE NUMBER OF
CANDIDATES.
FORGET THE WHOLE DOING POLITICS
DURING THE TIME OF THE PANDEMIC.
WE WILL HAVE THREE -- WE COULD
HAVE THREE ROUNDS BUT CERTAINLY
NOT MORE THAN THAT.
WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM THE
VARIOUS CAMPS ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE
EXPECTING TONIGHT?
>> Reporter: GENERALLY, WHEN I
SPEAK TO CONSERVATIVES, A LOT OF
THEM ARE EXPECTING THIS TO GO
ALL THREE ROUNDS.
A LOT ARE SAYING IT WILL BE
CLOSE BETWEEN PETER MacKAY AND
ERIN O'TOOLE.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN
THOSE TWO MEN.
CERTAINLY, ON PAPER, ON THE ONE
HAND, YOU'VE GOT THE BAY STREET
LAWYER WHO IS A FORMER CABINET
MINISTER AND THE OTHER HAND YOU
HAVE A FORMER CABINET MINISTER
WHO WAS ONCE A BAY STREET
LAWYER.
THEY DON'T LOOK RADICALLY
DIFFERENT.
IN TERMS OF POLICY, WE SHOULD
SAY, AGAIN, EVEN MEMBERS OF THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY, ON BOTH
SIDES OF THAT PARTICULAR DIVIDE,
WILL TELL YOU THESE ARE NOT
MASSIVE DIFFERENCES.
THEY'RE ALL IN FAVOUR OF LOW
TAXES, ADVOCATING FOR THE OIL
AND GAS, STRONGER MILITARY,
TOUGH STANCE ON CHINA SO WHERE
DO THE DIFFERENCE COMES IN.
THIS IS FOR THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY A QUESTION OF TONE.
PETER MacKAY HAS RUN A
CAMPAIGN ABOUT UNITY.
HE WAS PART OF BRINGING THE
MODERN CONSERVATIVE PARTY
TOGETHER WITH STEPHEN HARPER.
HE IS REALLY TRIED TO RUN A
FRONT-RUNNERS CAMPAIGN, TRYING
TO STAY ABOVE THE FRAY AND BE
HIGH MINDED.
YOU CAN QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT
THERE WAS A FEW SLIPS UPS ON THE
LAST FEW MONTHS.
ERIN O'TOOLE, FEISTY, HE IS
LABELLED AS A TRUE BLUE
CONSERVATIVE THIS CAMPAIGN.
HE HAS BEEN ASKED, YOU SOUND
ANGRIER THIS TIME, MR. O'TOOLE,
THAN YOU DID IN 2017 WHEN YOU
RAN.
HE SAYS I AM ANGRIER, I'M
ANGRIER ABOUT WHAT JUSTIN
TRUDEAU HAS DONE TO THE COUNTRY.
ALSO THOUGH, DIRECTING THAT IRE
EVEN INTO HIS OWN PARTYIZATION
HE DOESN'T WANT THE PARTY TO BE
TURNED OVER TO PEOPLE WHO WOULD
RETURN IT INTO A LIBERAL-LIGHT
PARTY SPEAKING OUT AGAINST
ELITES.
IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE
WHAT EXTENT THAT TONE WILL BE IF
HE WANTS TO REACH OUT TO ALL
CANADIANS.
>> Rosemary: THANK YOU,
CATHERINE.
HANNAH IS AS CLOSE AS ANY OF US
ARE GOING TO GET TO THE
LEADERSHIP CANDIDATES.
IT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING AT THE
SHAW CENTRE IN DOWNTOWN OTTAWA
AT THE WES TIN HOTEL.
THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT.
JUST GIVE ME A SENSE OF WHAT YOU
CAN EXPECT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE
TONIGHT, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID,
DURING THE PANDEMIC, ALL THESE
THINGS ARE UNUSUAL.
>> Reporter: ABSOLUTELY.
IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT THAN 2017.
YOU ALL REMEMBER BEING IN
TORONTO AT A CONVENTION CENTRE
WHERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WERE
ON THE FLOOR SUPPORTERS, WAITING
TO HEAR WHO WOULD BE THE NEXT
LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY.
THIS TIME AROUND, I'M IN A HOTEL
IN DOWNTOWN OTTAWA, AND ALSO
IT'S THE FOUR CANDIDATES AS
WELL.
THEY ARE NOT IN A ROOM TOGETHER.
THEY ARE IN SEPARATE ROOMS IN
THIS HOTEL.
THEN THE RESULTS WILL COME OUT
AT A BUILDING OVER THAT WAY.
FINALLY, THE TALLYING OF THOSE
BALLOTS ARE IN ANOTHER BUILDING
IN DOWNTOWN OTTAWA AS WELL.
I WANT TO BRING SOMEONE IN HERE
BECAUSE WE JUST GOT A SURPRISE
GUEST.
IT'S LISA RAITT, SURPRISE!
OF COURSE, SHE'S THE CHAIR, ONE
OF THE CHAIRS OF THE LEADERSHIP
ORGANIZATION COMMITTEE.
LISA, HOW DO YOU THINK
EVERYTHING WENT?
YOU HAVE A RECORD NUMBER OF
VOTES, ACTUALLY THE MOST IN ANY
LEADERSHIP CAMPAIGN.
>> WE HAVE A LOT TO LEARN FROM
HOW THIS CAMPAIGN EVOLVED.
NO ONE WAS ABLE TO GO IN THE
SMALL TOWNS AND DO CHURCH
BASEMENT DINNERS OR ANYTHING IN
TERMS OF REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE
IN BALL ROOMS, THE ONLY THING
WAS TO ENGAGE THROUGH
Facebook, SKYPE, TOWN HALLS
AND YET IT WORKED.
IT REALLY WORKED.
WE ENDED UP HAVING MORE
MEMBERSHIPS THAN WE HAD BEFORE.
FANTASTIC TURNOUT.
PEOPLE WERE ENGAGE.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU BOUGHT A
$10 MEMBERSHIP AND SAID I'LL GET
BACK TO IT.
THEY VOTED.
THEY CAME OUT AND VOTED.
LOTS TO LEARN.
>> Reporter: ONE THING IT SHOWS
IS THAT YOU CAN CAMPAIGN DURING
A PANDEMIC AND WHOEVER THE
LEADER IS, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO
GO OUT THERE DURING A POTENTIAL
ELECTION.
WHAT WILL YOU BE LISTENING FOR
IN THE NEW LEADERS' MESSAGE
TONIGHT?
>> NEW LEADER HAS TO TALK ABOUT
UNIFYING THE PARTY AND THEY
WILL.
THAT'S WHAT EVERY LEADERSHIP
CANDIDATE WILL DO.
THEY'VE SAID THEY'LL TALK ABOUT
THAT.
I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THEIR
VISION AND I WANT TO HEAR WHAT
KINDS OF THINGS THEY'RE GOING TO
BRING TO THE TABLE IN TERMS OF
TAKING ON THE TRUDEAU
GOVERNMENT.
HOLDING THEM TO ACCOUNT AND HOW
WE'LL BUILD TO AN ELECTION WHEN
IT IS.
>> Reporter: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
BACK TO YOU, ROSIE.
>> Rosemary: THAT'S GREAT.
GOOD TO HEAR FROM LISA RAITT WHO
WILL EMCEE THE EVENTS TONIGHT.
OF COURSE THIS IS OUR FABULOUS
AND EXTREMELY SMART TEAM OF
REPORTERS WHO WILL BE WITH US
THROUGH THE EVENING.
VASSY, HANNAH AND CATHERINE.
WE'LL HAVE LOTS MORE COVERAGE AS
WELL THROUGH THE EVENING.
FIRST OF ALL, LET ME BRING IN
THE MANAGING PARTNER OF RUBICON
STRATEGY FOR STEPHEN HARPER.
AND HE HAS BEEN WRITING A LOT OF
OPINION PIECES FOR CBC.CA
THROUGHOUT THE LEADERSHIP RACE.
GOOD TO SEE YOU, CORY, THANK YOU
FOR MAKING TIME FOR US.
>> GREAT TO BE HERE.
>> Rosemary: DO YOU THINK THIS
RACE IS AS CLOSE AS WE SEEM TO
BE TOLD BY CAMPS.
BECAUSE NONE OF US KNOW.
DO YOU THINK IT'S REALLY THAT
TIGHT?
>> I DO, I DO.
I DON'T THINK THE FIRST BALLOT
NUMBERS WILL BE TIGHT BUT THEY
COULD BE.
PETER MacKAY WILL HAVE A LEAD
BY THINK THE THING THAT I'LL BE
WATCHING FOR AT LEAST, IS
WHETHER OR NOT HE IS ABOVE 40%
ON THAT FIRST BALLOT.
IF HE IS ABOVE 40%, THERE ARE A
LOT OF PEOPLE IN HIS CAMPAIGN
THAT WILL BREATHE EASY.
IF HE IS BELOW THAT, IF THE
FIRST NUMBER STARTS WITH A
THREE, I THINK IT COULD BE A
DISAPPOINTING NIGHT.
SO, AND WE CERTAINLY SAW THAT IN
THE LAST RACE WITH MAXIME
BERNIER NOT BEING ABLE TO OUT
PACE ANDREW SCHEER.
>> Rosemary: WE'LL TALK MORE
ABOUT THE VOTING AS WE GO ALONG.
PEOPLE HAVE LOCKED IN THEIR
VOTES.
IT'S NOT AS THOUGH THEY CAN SEE
WHERE PEOPLE END UP AND WEIGH IN
BASED ON THAT.
THEY'VE MADE THEIR SELECTION.
THEY'VE LOCKED IN THEIR VOTES.
LET'S TALK ABOUT LESLYN LEWIS
BECAUSE SHE HASN'T COME UP YET.
SHE COULD BE A DETERMINING
FACTOR.
SHE WAS TWEETED OUT YESTERDAY
SHE RAISED $2 MILLION.
A PERSON WHO HAS NEVER BEEN
ELECTED, DOESN'T HAVE POLITICAL
EXPERIENCE AND THAT IS QUITE A
STORY FOR HER.
HOW MUCH OF A FACTOR WILL IT BE
FOR SURE?
>> SHE'S A BIG SURPRISE.
I WOULD ARGUE THE PERSON WHO WON
THE CAMPAIGN, SHE'S NOT GOING TO
WIN TONIGHT, ALTHOUGH THERE'S A
VERY NARROW PATH FOR VICTORY FOR
HER.
SHE'S SOMEONE WHO WAS VIRTUAL
UNKNOWN AT THE START OF THIS
RACE AND IT'S BECOME ONE OF THE
DEFINING CANDIDATES IN TERMS OF
EVERYONE VYING FOR HER SUPPORT.
HER HAVING A LOT OF PEOPLE TURN
THEIR HEADS AND TAKE NOTICE OF
HER.
SO, IF SHE IS ABLE TO, WHEN --
MOST PEOPLE ASSUME THAT DEREK
SLOAN WILL FALL OFF FIRST WITH
THE LEAST AMOUNT OF SUPPORT.
IF HIS SUPPORT GOES TO HER,
WHICH MOST PUNDITS EXPECT IT TO,
IF THAT NUMBER PUSHES LESLYN
LEWIS PAST ERIN O'TOOLE IT WILL
GET INTERESTING.
WE'LL SEE WHETHER SLOAN PLUS
LEWIS EQUALS A NUMBER GREATER
THAN WHERE ERIN O'TOOLE IS AT.
ALTHOUGH, I KNOW, WHO KNOWS.
CERTAINLY O'TOOLE CAMPAIGN HAS
SAID THEY'RE GOING TO BE FIRST
ON THE FIRST BALLOT.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, ALL BETS ARE
OFF ACROSS THE BOARD.
>> Rosemary: EVERYBODY LIKES TO
SPIN WHEN IT'S RANKED BALLOTS
AND NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING.
IT'S EASY TO DO THAT.
HAVE YOU BEEN MAKING A
PREDICTION OR WILL YOU MAKE A
PREDICTION.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO.>> IT'S GOINGD
THE REASON THEY'RE SO DIFFICULT
TO MAKE IN THESE RACES, IS
BECAUSE OF THIS POINT SYSTEM.
IT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE TO
ACCURATELY POLL.
THE SAMPLE SIZES IN SOME OF
THESE SMALL RIDINGS, WHERE
THERE'S ONLY A HANDFUL OF
MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, 30 PEOPLE IN
A RIDE NORTH QUEBEC THAT HAS AS
MANY VOTES AS 2,000 PEOPLE IN A
RIDING IN ALBERTA.
SO IT MAKES POLLING VERY, VERY
DIFFICULT.
MY PREDICTION IS IT'S GOING TO
BE TIGHT.
I DO THINK IT'S LARGELY A RACE
BETWEEN MacKAY AND O'TOOLE.
THERE IS A PATH FOR THIRD PARTY
CANDIDATE.
IF WE THINK BACK TO RANKED
BALLOTS ON THE LIBERAL SIDE HOW
WE GOT STEPHANE DION.
WHEN THERE'S ACRIMONY BETWEEN
THE TWO FRONT RUNNERS AND THERE
IS BETWEEN MacKAY AND O'TOOLE.
THAT CAN SPAWN OUTCOME WHERE THE
THIRD PLACE CANDIDATE BECOMES A
COMPROMISE CANDIDATE.
IT'S A NARROW PATH BUT THERE'S A
PATH THERE FOR LESLEY LOUIS AS
WELL.
>> Rosemary: THANK YOU, KORY.
HE WILL BE WITH US THROUGHOUT
THE EVENING AS WELL TO GIVE US
HIS IN SIGHT AND PERSPECTIVE.
CORY TENEYCKE, FORMER DIRECTOR
OF COMMUNICATIONS FOR STEPHEN
HARPER.
TALK TO YOU LATER.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A FAIR
BIT.
BEST TO TRY AND EXPLAIN THIS A
LITTLE BIT IF YOU ARE NOT
FAMILIAR.
THE PATH TO WINNING THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY LEADERSHIP IS
NOT AS YOU MAY HAVE GOTTEN THE
HINT, A STRAIGHT FORWARD AS
SIMPLY GETTING VOTES.
THE PARTY USES A POINT SYSTEM TO
ELECT A LEADER.
IT'S SOMETHING THEY DETERMINED
WHEN THE TWO PARTIES MERGED TO
FORM THIS NEW CONSERVATIVE
PARTY.
TONIGHT, IS ACTUALLY A CONTEST
FOR POINTS RATHER THAN VOTES.
YOU WILL HEAR A LOT ABOUT ALL
THESE POINTS OVER THE NEXT FEW
HOURS.
HERE IS A SHORT PRIMER ON WHAT
THAT ACTUALLY ALL MEANS.
>> EVERY RIDING IN THE COUNTRY
IS WORTH 100 POINTS.
THE SHARE OF THE VOTE IN EACH
RIDING DETERMINES THE NUMBER OF
POINTS A CANDIDATE WINS.
100 POINTS PER RIDING, 338
RIDINGS FOR A TOTAL OF 33,800
POINTS.
TO WIN, A CANDIDATE HAS TO WIN
THE MAJORITY OF POINTS OR
16,901.
THAT IS THE NUMBER TO WATCH FOR
TONIGHT.
SO HOW DOES THE VOTING WORK?
PARTY MEMBERS USE A RANKED
BALLOT.
THAT MEANS THEY CAN CHOSE UP TO
FOUR PEOPLE FOR LEADER, RANKING
THEIR PREFERENCES FROM FIRST TO
LAST.
THE BALLOTS HAVE BEEN MAILED IN
AND ARE COUNTED IN ROUNDS.
IF IN THE FIRST ROUND, NO
CANDIDATE GETS A MAJORITY OF
POINTS, THE PERSON WITH THE
FEWEST IS ELIMINATED.
BALLOTS GET COUNTED AGAIN.
POINTS GET REASSIGNED BASED ON
MEMBERS' SECOND CHOICE.
THAT PROCESS CONTINUES UNTIL A
WINNER EMERGES, WHEN ONE
CANDIDATE HITS THAT MAGIC
NUMBER.
16,901 POINTS.
>> Rosemary: SO ANY TIME WE TALK
NUMBERS IT'S A GOOD TIME TO
BRING IN ERIC GRENIER, I THINK
WE EXPLAINED THAT WELL, MY
PRODUCERS AND I.
LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW THAT SYSTEM
MIGHT INFLUENCE RESULTS, HOW IT
MIGHT BREAKDOWN AS WE WERE
TALKING ABOUT KORY AND LEAD TO
SURPRISING RESULTS.
I GUESS WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BE
WATCH FORGERON IN THAT FIRST
BALLOT ROUND THAT COULD GIVE YOU
INDICATIONS OF WHERE THINGS ARE
HEADED?
>> Reporter: WELL, WITH THE
POINT SYSTEM, WHAT REALLY SHOWS
IS THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE SUPPORT
FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND
PETER MacKAY, WHO IS EXPECTED
TO DO WELL IN ATLANTIC, CANADA,
WHERE HE IS FROM AND RAISED
MONEY AND ALSO IN QUEBEC, IS
LIKELY TO GET A LOT OF POINTS
OUT OF THAT REGION.
DESPITE THE FACT THERE AREN'T
MANY MEMBERS THERE.
EVERY RIDING WILL HAVE EQUAL
WEIGHT SO THOSE RIDINGS IN
ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN, WHERE
THERE'S MAYBE A THOUSAND VOTING
MEMBERS, MAYBE EVEN MORE, THOSE
WILL BE WORTH A LOT OF VOTES BUT
THEY WON'T BE WORTH A LOT OF
POINTS.
SO AS WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE
RESULTS COME IN FROM EACH
INDIVIDUAL PROVINCE, IT WILL BE
REALLY KEY TO SEE ABOUT WHAT
THOSE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE IN
PLACES LIKE ATLANTIC, CANADA AND
QUEBEC BECAUSE WHILE THERE
AREN'T A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES
THERE, THERE'S JUST AS MANY
POINTS THERE AS THERE ARE IN
AWFUL WESTERN CANADA.
>> Rosemary: PETER MacKAY WAS
PART OF THE -- HE WAS LEADER OF
THE PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY WHEN THEY NEGOTIATED THAT
ARRANGEMENT.
IN PART TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU
TALKED ABOUT.
MAKE SURE THAT WESTERN CANADA
DIDN'T HAVE, FOR INSTANCE, MORE
POWER IN THE PARTY THAN THE
ATLANTIC WHAT ABOUT THE RANKED
BALLOT TOO?
THAT TO ME IS THE PART THAT SORT
OF MAKES MY HEAD EXPLODE BECAUSE
THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW HOW THAT
IS ALL GOING TO SHAKE DOWN GIVEN
THAT THE VOTES ARE ALREADY
LOCKED IN.
>> YEAH, AND THAT'S WHAT IS
REALLY KEY.
I HEARD KORY TALKING ABOUT 40%
FOR PETER MacKAY.
HE NEEDS TO BE WELL ABOVE THAT
BECAUSE HE NEEDS THE SECOND AND
THIRD CHOICE BALLOTS FROM DEREK
SLOAN AND LESLYN LEWIS IF THEY
GO OFF THE BALLOT FIRST AND
SECOND.
THAT'S REALLY GOING TO BE
IMPORTANT.
IN CASE TOO FAR FROM THE 50% HE
MIGHT NOT GET ENOUGH FROM SLOAN
AND LEWIS.
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE
GET TO THE END OF THE RACE AND
BECAUSE OF THE POINT SYSTEM, IS
WILL THE WINNER HAVE WON ON
POINTS BUT NOT VOTES.
IF WE REMEMBER 2017, ANDREW
SCHEER BEAT BERNIER IN TERMS OF
THE VOTE BUT ONLY BEAT HIM BY A
THIN MARGIN IN TERMS OF THE
POINTS.
COULD WE HAVE AN OUTCOME WHERE
THE PERSON WHO HAD MORE SUPPORT
FROM CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS
ACTUALLY DOESN'T BECOME THE
LEADER?
THAT WILL BE ANOTHER BENCHMARK
TO KEEP AN EYE ON.
>> Rosemary: THANK YOU, ERIC.
ERIC GRENIER WILL HELP US MAKE
SENSE OF ALL THESE NUMBERS.
I CAN'T DO IT ALONE.
THANK YOU, ERIC.
WE'LL BE BACK WITH YOU AS WELL.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A QUICK
BREAK AS WELL.
REMEMBER, THINGS KICKOFF IN AN
HOUR.
"AT ISSUE," AND THEY'LL GIVE US
THEIR TAKE RIGHT AFTER THIS,
STICK AROUND.
>> Rosemary: THERE'S A TRIBUTE
TO THE UT GOING LEADER, ANDREW
SCHEER AND THE FIRST ROUND
RESULTS OF VOTING WILL HAPPEN AT
AROUND 6:30 EASTERN.
THE CANDIDATES THEMSELVES ARE
JUST NEARBY IN A HOTEL IN
SEPARATE SUITES, ALL OF THIS
VERY DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THE
PANDEMIC.
WE WILL TONIGHT FIND OUT WHO
WILL BE THE NEXT LEADER OF THE
OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
AND SO, THAT'S A GOOD TIME TO
BRING IN OUR "AT ISSUE," NOT PAL
AND LATER ON "THE NATIONAL,"
WHEN WE WRAP-UP WHATEVER WE
DISCOVER, IT SEEMS THAT EVERYONE
AGREES ON ONE POINT AND THIS IS
GOING TO BE A TIGHT RACE.
MAYBE I'LL JUST ASK YOU ALL,
WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE
WATCHING FOR TONIGHT, ANDREW?
>> WELL, I THINK YOU ARE GOING
TO SEE PETER MacKAY AS THE
FIRST BALLOT LEADER.
AND THEY'RE SOMEWHAT
INTERCHANGEABLE BUT HE WILL BE
THE FIRST BALLOT LEADER AND HE
IS STRONG WHERE THE TORIES ARE
WEAK.
I THINK ERIN O'TOOLE WILL PICK
UP MORE SECOND BALLOT SUPPORT
AND I THINK IT WILL COME DOWN TO
WHICH OF THOSE TWO IS THE MOST
OVERRIDING FACTOR.
THE THIRD FACTOR OF COURSE IS
THE STRONG ORGANIZATIONAL FORCE
WITHIN THIS PARTY AND THEY'VE
PROVED IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN
AND THEY'RE GOING TO PROVE IT
THIS TIME AS WELL.
>> Rosemary: SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES INSIDE THE PARTY
AND THEY'RE LARGELY WHAT LED
ANDREW SCHEER TO BE PUSHED OVER
THE EDGE IN THE LAST RACE.
IF THEY'RE SUPPORTING DEREK
SLOAN AND LESLYN LEWIS, THEY
COULD HAVE A BIG FACTOR FIGURING
OUT WHO BECOMES THE LEADER.
>> YEAH, SOME WAYS YOU CAN SAY
THAT THE WINNER IN THIS CONTEST
THUS FAR IS THE SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES AND THE
CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT.
THEY HAVE PROVEN THAT THEY
CANNOT BE IGNORED.
AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT CAME
FROM FEELING IN THE LAST PARTY
CONVENTION THAT THE MOTIONS THEY
HAD PUSHED FORWARD, JUST LIKE
THEY WERE CLOSE AND THE SENSE OF
ANDREW SCHEER WENT BACK ON HIS
WORD WITH REGARDS TO THEIR OWN
ISSUES.
I ACTUALLY THINK THAT LEWIS HAS
A WIDER APPEAL THAN JUST SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES BUT WHERE PEOPLE
ARE GATHERING NOW IN SOCIETY
IT'S CHURCHES, SYNAGOGUES, AND A
LOT OF NEW IMMIGRANTS DO SHARE
THOSE SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE VALUES
AND THE SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES ARE
VERY ORGANIZED AND THEY CAN
POTENTIALLY BE CROWNING THE
LEADER AGAIN IN THIS ELECTION
CAMPAIGN.
>> Rosemary: THEY'RE VERY
POWERFUL INSIDE THIS PARTY BUT
AFTER THE LAST ELECTION,
CHANTAL, THERE WERE A LOT OF
CONSERVATIVES I TALKED TO THAT
DIDN'T WANT THESE ISSUES TO BE
ON THE TABLE ANYMORE.
THEY JUST SORT OF WANTED TO PUT
THEM TO BED AND NOT HAVE THEM
QUOTE-UNQUOTE HIJACK A CAMPAIGN.
SO I WONDER IF THERE'S A DANGER
IN THAT POWER BEING GIVEN AGAIN
AND SEEN AGAIN FROM A STRONG
PART OF THE PARTY BUT
REGARDLESS, MAYBE NOT
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COUNTRY
WRIT LARGE, CHANTAL?
>> IT WOULD PROBABLY BE WISE TO
WAIT TO SEE THE ACTUAL NUMBER
BEFORE DECIDING IF SOMEONE IS
GOING TO BE CROWNING.
TWO, IF THE SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES
WERE ONLY THAT, STOCKWELL DAY
AND NOT STEPHEN HARPER WOULD
HAVE BEEN LEADER OF THE CANADIAN
ALLIANCE FROM THE TWO FACED OFF
AGAINST EACH OTHER.
IT'S NOT ALL THAT SIMPLE.
CAMPAIGN-LIKE COALITION, WHICH
IS ONE OF THE POWERFUL
ORGANIZATIONS ON THE SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES LANDSCAPE, BOASTS
IT HAS RECRUITED 23,000 MEMBERS
FOR THIS CAMPAIGN BUT IT'S
ASKING PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING
FOR IT TO NOT SUPPORT EITHER
O'TOOLE OR MacKAY, JUST STICK
TO DEREK SLOAN AND LESLYN LEWIS.
WHETHER THEY TAKE THEMSELVES OUT
OF THE MIX, THE RATIONALE IS
THAT NEITHER OF THESE TWO
CONSIDERED FRONT RUNNERS IS UP
TO THE TASK OF UPHOLDING THE
VALUES OF THE SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES AND THAT EITHER OF
THEM, NEITHER IS A DECENT OR A
BY-DEFAULT CHOICE.
I'M GOING TO WATCH, OF COURSE,
HOW PETER MacKAY COMES OUT OF
THE FIRST ROUND OF BALLOTING.
BUT ALSO, AS QUEBEC AND ONTARIO
NUMBERS, BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE
THE PARTY NEEDS TO UP ITS GAME
TREMENDOUSLY IF IT'S GOING TO
WIN AN ELECTION.
THOSE NUMBERS WILL SAY SOMETHING
ABOUT THE APPEAL OF ALL OF THE
CANDIDATES.
I WOULD THINK THAT YOU WILL NOT
BE SEE BIG QUEBEC NUMBERS FOR
LESLYN LEWIS.
IF IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE
A LOT OF TRACTION IN QUEBEC,
THEY DON'T, BUT THE FACT SHE
SPEAKS NO FRENCH IS THE MAIN
REASON WHY SHE HAS ATTRACTED NO
TRACTION IN THIS PROVINCE.
>> Rosemary: ORGANIZERS KNOWING
WE'LL WATCH FOR THOSE NUMBERS
HAVE PUT ONTARIO AND QUEBEC AT
THE END OF THE LIST SO THAT WE
WILL HAVE TO WAIT TO GET A SENSE
OF WHERE THOSE TWO PROVINCES ARE
IN TERMS OF DETERMINING THE NEXT
LEADER.
ANDREW, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT
HOW THIS WAS SORT OF A MOMENT
FOR THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY TO
REASSESS TO LOOK INSIDE ITSELF
TO SEE WHAT KIND OF PARTY IT
WANTED TO BE.
I REALISE THERE WAS A PANDEMIC
AND THERE IS A PANDEMIC AND
MAYBE THERE WASN'T TIME FOR
THAT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE, DO YOU
GET A SENSE THEY HAVE DONE ANY
OF THAT WORK.
>> VERY LITTLE.
NEITHER PETER MacKAY NOR ERIN
O'TOOLE COULD BE THE CANDIDATE
TO LEAVE THAT DEEP
INTROSPECTION.
THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN A FORCE SO
IT'S NOT CHANGED.
I DON'T THINK THEY NEED TO BE
EXCLUDED BUT, THE SQUARING THE
CIRCLE OF THE SOCON ISSUE IS YOU
HAVE TO INCLUDE THEM IN THE
COALITION BUT YOU CAN'T ALLOW
THEM TO SWALLOW THE COALITION
WHOLE.
YOU DIDN'T ALLOW THEM TO
DOMINATE AND DEFINE WHERE THE
PARTY STANDS ON THESE ISSUES.
MAYBE THEY NEED TO GET BEATEN
AGAIN IN AN ELECTION BEFORE THAT
HAPPENS.
SOMETIMES IT TAKES THREE OR FOUR
ELECTION BEFORE THEY TURN
THEMSELVES AROUND AND IN THE END
THEY JUST GOT TO THE SON OF THE
FORMER PRIME MINISTER.
THE TROUBLE IS THE TORIES DON'T
HAVE THE KIND OF ACCESS TO THE
SAME KIND OF TALENT POOL BECAUSE
THE LIBERALS HAVE BEEN, FOR SO
MANY DECADES, THE PARTY OF
POWER.
IF THE TORIES GET TRACTION OR
MOVE, IT HAS TO BE ON THE BASIS
OF IDEAS AND PHILOSOPHIES AND
THEY DON'T SEEM TO WRAP THEIR
MINDS AROUND THAT YET.
>> Rosemary: WE'RE COMING BACK
TO YOU AS OFTEN AS WE CAN.
SO DON'T THINK YOU WON'T GET
ANOTHER SHOT AS THINGS.
THANK YOU FROM DIALING IN FROM
YOUR HOMES.
AT LEAST THAT PART IS EASY.
I DIDN'T DRAG YOU ALL TO A
DIFFERENT CITY IN THE COUNTRY
AND WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
AND LET ME SHOW YOU AGAIN, LIVE,
THE ROOM WHERE THE RESULTS WILL
BE ANNOUNCED IN ABOUT AN HOUR'S
TIME.
THE FIRST ROUND OF VOTING
ANYWAY.
IN ABOUT HALF AN HOUR TIME,
THINGS WILL KICKOFF THERE IN A
DIFFERENT KIND OF LEADERSHIP
CONVENTION.
CERTAINLY I'M NOT ANYWHERE NEAR
THERE SO THAT MAKES IT DIFFERENT
FOR ALL OF US COVERING IT TOO.
COMING UP, TWO PARTY INSIDERS
WHO ARE NOT AFRAID TO SPEAK
THEIR MINDS ON THE CHALLENGES
AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE NEW
LEADER.
LOTS OF COVERAGE HERE ON CBC AND
CBC NEWS NETWORK STILL AHEAD.
>> Rosemary: WELCOME BACK TO OUR
SPECIAL COVERAGE HERE OF THE
CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP
CONVENTION.
THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
IN THE TIME OF A PANDEMIC, THAT
IS DOWNTOWN OTTAWA WHERE EVENTS
WILL KICKOFF IN ABOUT 30
MINUTES' TIME.
WE'LL START TO GET RESULTS IN
ABOUT AN HOUR.
A LITTLE LESSEN ENERGETIC AND
DYNAMIC THAN WE'VE SEEN IN THE
PAST.
NONE THE LESS, THE PARTY IS
WORKING HARD TO BUILD DRAMA AND
THEY HAVE MANAGED TO GET OUT THE
VOTE.
THERE'S BEEN A HUGE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY MAILED
IN THEIR BALLOTS.
NEARLY 65% OF ALL MEMBERS AND
IT'S A SIGNIFICANT VICTORY FOR
THE PARTY.
PARTICULARLY DURING A PANDEMIC.
AND THOSE BALLOTS WERE COUNTED
AT 4:00 A.M. AND WE'LL GET
RESULTS SHORTLY.
MICHEL REMPEL GARDNER IS A M.P.
AND JAMES MOORE, THE MINISTER OF
INDUSTRY AND OTHER PORTFOLIOS IN
STEPHEN HARPER'S CABINET.
ALSO A MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT FOR
15 YEARS.
GOOD TO SEE YOU BOTH.
JAMES MOORE A SENIOR BUSINESS
ADVISER.
MICHELLE, YOU TALKED A LOT AFTER
THE ELECTION ABOUT CONCERNS
AROUND WESTERN ALIENATION AND
SORT OF THE DIRECTION OF THE
PARTY.
I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT
HASN'T REALLY BEEN ADDRESSED AND
NONE OF THE FOUR CANDIDATES ARE
FROM THE WEST, WHICH WOULD BE A
FIRST FOR THE PARTY.
HOW WORRIED ARE YOU ABOUT THAT
PART OF IT?
ABOUT YOUR PART OF THE COUNTRY
FALLING BY THE WAYSIDE OR NOT
GETTING THE ATTENTION IT NEEDS?
>> WELL, IT'S A REAL PROBLEM.
MY CONSTITUENTS ARE FACING AN
ENORMOUS ECONOMIC HARDSHIP.
THIS ISN'T A NICE-TO-HAVE ISSUE
BEING DISCUSSED FOR ME.
IT'S GETTING THEM BACK TO WORK
AND FIXING THE STRUCTURAL
INEQUITIES THAT I THINK HAVE
PARTICIPATED TO 209-YEAR CYCLES
OF ALBERTA AND OUR ECONOMY
FALLING BY THE WAYSIDE IF
THERE'S A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
THAT IS IN POWER THAT PUTS
FORWARD POLICIES THAT ARE
DETRIMENTAL TO OUR ECONOMY.
I DON'T THINK THAT THE ISSUE OF
WESTERN ALIENATION HAS BEEN
ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED IN THE
LEADERSHIP.
CERTAINLY, I KNOW THAT MANY OF
MY COLLEAGUES FROM WESTERN
CANADA WILL BE PUSHING HARD TO
ENSURE THAT THIS ISSUE IS
ADDRESSED IN A PERMANENT AND
COORDINATED WAY.
WE HAVE TO BE REPRESENTING THIS
ISSUE, THAT'S THE MANDATE WE
WERE GIVEN.
>> Rosemary:  JAMES MOORE, I
KNOW NONE OF THE CANDIDATES HAVE
ROOTS IN THE WEST.
I WONDER IF THERE'S A BENEFIT TO
THAT IDEA TOO.
IF THE PARTY IS TO GROW OUT OF
THE BASE THAT IS IN SASKATCHEWAN
AND ALBERTA AND MANITOBA, MAYBE
THERE'S AN ADVANTAGE TO HAVING A
CANDIDATE FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
>> I SUPPOSE.
LOOK, YOU KNOW, BOTH PETER
MacKAY AND ERIN O'TOOLE, WHO I
SUSPECT ONE OF THOSE TWO WILL
WIN TODAY, ALTHOUGH THE OTHER
TWO HAVE CLEARLY PUT UP SPIRITED
FIGHTS, BUT PETER MacKAY HAS
BEEN A PARTY LEADER BEFORE.
HE HELPED PORTFOLIOS IN
INTERNATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE AND
ERIN O'TOOLE HAS RUN TWICE AND
HAS BEEN A CABINET MINISTER.
THEY ASPIRE TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN
ALL PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.
FRANKLY, I WOULD JUXTAPOSE THAT
WITH JUSTIN TRUDEAU WHO GOT
ELECTED BY PITTING ONE AREA OF
THE COUNTRY AGAINST THE OTHER.
NEITHER ERIN O'TOOLE OR PETER
MacKAY WANT TO DO ANYTHING
OTHER THAN WIN SEATS.
THEY DON'T LOOK TO WEDGE PART OF
THE COUNTRY AGAINST THE OTHER.
THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN BOTH OF THEIR
STAPLES IS A TRUE PAN-CANADIAN
CONTINGENTAL PER SPECIFIC
 PERSPECTIVE.
IT'S ONE THING TO AS PAIR TO
THAT AND IT'S ANOTHER THING TO
PUT POLICY FORWARD THAT PEOPLE
WILL BUY INTO AND THAT PEOPLE
WILL HAVE FAITH IN AND COMMIT
TO.
YOU AS A LEADER, YOU HAVE TO
DELIVER ON THOSE COMMITMENTS.
>> Rosemary: AND MAKE SURE IT'S
APPEALING TO THE WHOLE COUNTRY
WHICH IS THE CHALLENGE.
MICHELLE, YOU CAME OUT WITH SOME
OTHER M.P.s WITH SOMETHING
CALLED THE BUFFALO DECLARATION
AFTER THE ELECTION.
WHERE YOU VOICED A LOT OF THESE
CONCERNS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE
PARTY.
HOW MUCH OF A DEFINING MOMENT IS
THIS FOR YOU IN TERMS OF THE
DIRECTION THE PARTY TAKES,
WHETHER IT'S ON ISSUES AROUND
WESTERN ALIENATION OR OTHER
THINGS?
>> WELL, I THINK THAT IT'S FAIR
TO SAY THAT THERE'S A LOT OF
PEOPLE IN WESTERN CANADA
WHO THINK THAT REPEALING CERTAIN
BILLS OR JUST DEFEATING JUSTIN
TRUDEAU IS NOT ENOUGH TO DEAL
WITH THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE
FACING AS A PROVINCE, BECAUSE
IT'S VERY CLEAR THESE ISSUES ARE
CYCLICAL.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ALBERTA
ECONOMY AFTER PIERRE ELLIOTT
TRUDEAU, HUGE WESTERN
ALIENATION.
WHAT I HEAR PEOPLE SAYING IN MY
CONSTITUENCY, IT SHOULDN'T MAT
WHO ARE IS IN POWER IN
GOVERNMENT OR -- ALBERTANS AND
WESTERN CANADIANS SHOULD BE ABLE
TO BE EQUAL PARTICIPANTS AND THE
DECLARATION WAS DESIGNED TO STIR
UP CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT
PERMANENT STRUCTURAL CHANGES
COULD BE MADE TONE SURE THAT
WESTERN CANADA IS AN EQUAL
PARTICIPANT IN CONFEDERATION SO
WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT
REPEALING AND STARTING BILLS
THAT SEE 15 TO 20 YEARS CYCLES
OF INEQUITY IN WESTERN CANADA.
TO ME IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING
THAT OUR PARTY CHAMPIONS IS
PERMANENT STRUCTURAL CHANGE.
THE CONTEXT HAS CHANGED AND THAT
IS WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE,
REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL STRIFE,
ARE IN WESTERN CANADA AT THIS
POINT IN TIME.
>> Rosemary: AS SOMEONE HAS BEEN
THROUGH DIFFERENT ITERATIONS,
HOW BIG A MOMENT IS THIS FOR THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY RIGHT NOW?
>> WELL IT'S ENORMOUSLY
IMPORTANT.
YOU KNOW, ANDREW SCHEER GOT MORE
VOTES THAN TRUDEAU THE LAST TIME
BUT FELL SHORT.
CLEARLY I THINK JUSTIN TRUDEAU
IS ON THE BACK NINE OF HIS TIME
AS PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA.
HE WILL CONTEST ONE MORE
CAMPAIGN AND I THINK FOR A LOT
OF CONSERVATIVE PARTY MEMBERS,
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY
CONSERVATIVE VOTERS.
PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY WANT CHANGE
AND WANT A NEW GOVERNMENT IN
OFFICE.
I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE
THE CONSERVATIVE THE NEW
CONSERVATIVE LEADER A VERY HARD
LOOK AND A VERY GOOD STUDY ABOUT
WHETHER OR NOT THIS PERSON IS
PREPARED WITH THE TEMPERAMENT,
STAMINA AND CAPACITY TO ACTUALLY
LEAD THE G7 COUNTRY FORWARD OUT
OF THE WORST ECONOMIC COLLAPSE
SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION AND
THROUGH THE PANDEMIC AND MOVING
FORWARD.
THIS IS LESS ABOUT INTERNAL
CONSERVATIVE DYNAMICS AND
REPRESENTING THE COUNTRY.
IN A HEALTHY DEMOCRACY, POLITICS
SAY REFLECTION OF SOCIETY AND
OUR POLITICS AND PARTY HAS TO
SPEAK TO THE ISSUES THE PUBLIC
CARES ABOUT AND PEOPLE ARE
ANXIOUS ABOUT PUTTING THEIR KIDS
IN SCHOOL, ANXIOUS ABOUT THE
PANDEMIC, ANXIOUS ABOUT WAVE TWO
AND THREE AND THEY'RE ANXIOUS
ABOUT ECONOMIC RECOVER ROW THAT
WILL TRULY BE PAN-CANADIAN IN
NATURE AND BRING EVERYBODY BACK
UP AND MOVING FORWARD.
THE PARTY HAS TO RECOGNIZE THOSE
NEEDS AND THE NEW LEADER HAS TO
SPEAK TO THOSE NEEDS OF
CANADIANS WHILE KEEPING THE
CAUCUS, PARTY AND OUT VOTE ARE
UNIVERSE UNITE AND FOCUSED ON AN
AGENDA FOR GROWTH.
>> Rosemary: SO THAT'S AN EASY
JOB?
 [LAUGHTER]
I'M BEING SARCASTIC.
WE'LL DIP IN AS THE NIGHT
CONTINUES, THANK YOU ALL VERY
MUCH FOR WEIGHING IN.
HERE IS A LIVE LOOK RIGHT NOW
INTO WILL BE LESLYN LEWIS'
SUITE.
WE'LL HAVE ACCESS.
HER TEAM IS WAITING FOR FIRST
BATTLE RESULT THAT'S WILL START
AT AROUND 6:30 EASTERN.
COMING UP, HOW HAS THE RACE BEEN
DIFFERENT THIS TIME AND HOW HAS
THE PANDEMIC CHANGED THE
DYNAMIC?
THE LEADER OFFICIAL OPPOSITION
IN THE SENATE IS UP NEXT WITH
HIS THOUGHTS, STICK AROUND.
>> Rosemary: WELCOME BACK, YOU
ARE WATCHING SPECIAL COVERAGE OF
THE CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP
CONVENTION.
LET'S GO NOW TO HANNAH
THIBEDEAU, OUR SENIOR REPORTER
IN OTTAWA WITH BREAKING NEWS
AROUND THE POTENTIAL DELAY,
WHICH MIGHT BE THE LEAST
SURPRISING THING I'VE HEARD AT A
LEADERSHIP CONVENTION, HANNAH.
BUT TELL US WHAT YOU KNOW.
>> Hannah: THERE IS A DELAY IN
THE ANNOUNCEMENTS, THEY WERE
SUPPOSED TO START AT 6:30 AND IT
HAS BEEN DELAYED UNTIL 7:30.
THE REASON IS PROCESSING.
THERE ARE 175,000 BALLOTS THAT
WERE CAST FOR THE NEXT LEADER OF
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
THAT'S A RECORD-BREAKING NUMBER.
SO THERE IS A DELAY.
THEY ONLY STARTED OPENING THOSE
BALLOTS THIS MORNING AT 4:00 AM
SO THAT'S WHEN THEY START
PROCESSING THE BALLOTS AND THEY
OPEN THEM UP AND THEY START
TALLYING THOSE BALLOTS.
WE KNOW IT HAS BEEN DELAYED BY
ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF.
WE ARE WAITING TO SEE IF IT'S
GOING TO BE ANY LONGER THAN
THAT.
WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO GET THE
CHAIR OF THE LEADERSHIP
ORGANIZING COMMITTEE, SHE'S
TALKING ABOUT THIS AS WELL AND
WHAT SHE IS SAYING, IT'S TAKING
A LITTLE BIT LONGER FOR THE
PROCESSING.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE THOSE BALLOTS,
TAKE THEM AND PUT THEM THROUGH A
MACHINE TO BE TABULATED.
175,000 NEARLY CAST AND THAT IS
A GOOD CHUNK OF BALLOTS TO
PROCESS.
AS I MENTIONED, THEY ONLY
STARTED DOING IT AND OPENING
THOSEN DEVELOP OPENS AT 4:00
A.M. THIS MORNING.
SO THERE IS A DELAY.
THAT IS PROBABLY NOT -- YOU
KNOW, WE PROBABLY EXPECTED THERE
MIGHT BE ONE.
NOW WE DO KNOW THAT AT LEAST
UNTIL 7:30 WE WON'T START
HEARING RESULTS, THAT FIRST
ROUND OF RESULTS FOR THE NEXT
LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY.
>> Rosemary: HAN A. YOU ARE ON
THE GROUND THERE AND IT'S GOOD
YOU ARE BECAUSE YOU WILL GET
THAT INFORMATION AS IT BECOMES
AVAILABLE AND COMES BACK.
HANNAH THIBEDEAU.
SO JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY,
THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DELAY IN
FIRST ROUND OF RESULTS.
BECAUSE OF THE PROCESSING AS
HANNAH TALKED ABOUT THERE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF BALLOTS TO GO
THROUGH.
IT'S A COMPLICATED PROCESS
BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO VALIDATE
THE BALLOTS AND PUT THEM THROUGH
THE COUNTING MACHINES.
NOW, WE'RE GETTING WORD THAT THE
PROGRAMME ITSELF, WHICH WAS
SUPPOSED TO START AT 6:00, WILL
NOW START AT 7:30.
6:00 EASTERN WAS WHEN WE WERE
GOING TO START HEARING FROM THE
EMCEE AND THE TRIBUTE FROM
ANDREW SCHEER AND THAT HAS ALL
BEEN PUSHED BACK NOW AS A NUMBER
OF CONSERVATIVES REACHING OUT
AND TELLING ME SHOULD I GET SOME
SNACKS.
I'LL TRY AND DO THAT AS WE WAIT
FOR EVENTS TO REALLY KICK O THIS
KICKOFF.THIS IS NOT SURPRISING,Y
OFTEN HAVE DELAYS BECAUSE OF
CHANGES AND COUNTING, EVEN IF
IT'S ALL BEEN MAILED IN ADVANCE.
TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT
HOW THIS LEADERSHIP RACE HAS
PLAYED OUT, LET ME BRING IN
SENATOR DON PLATT.
AND HE ALSO BEEN PART OF THIS
ELECTION LEADERSHIP COMMITTEE AS
A MEMBER OF CAUCUS.
SENATOR, GOOD TO SEE YOU.
HOW CHALLENGING HAS THIS BEEN?
YOU WERE OF COURSE PRESIDENT OF
THE PARTY AT ONE POINT AS WELL.
>> WELL, HI, ROSIE.
IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE WITH YOU.
JUST LANDED BACK IN WINNIPEG.
LISTEN, IT'S BEEN CHALLENGING.
I WANT TO COMMEND OUR LEADERSHIP
CANDIDATES DURING A GLOBAL
PANDEMIC FOR THE EXCITEMENT THAT
THEY HAVE CREATED AS WE JUST
HEARD.
OVER 175,000 BALLOTS HAVE BEEN
TURNED IN OUT -- THAT'S 65% OF
THE MEMBERSHIP THAT'S TAKEN PART
IN THE VOTING HERE SO THIS IS
HUGELY SUCCESSFUL AND THAT IS IN
NO SMALL PART TO THE FOUR GOOD
CANDIDATES THAT WE HAD AND I'M
REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO
HEARING THE RESULTS, ALBEIT, AN
HOUR AND A HALF LATER THAN WHAT
WE THOUGHT.
>> Rosemary: SENATOR, DO YOU
KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THE
DELAY IS?
OR ARE THEY JUST HAVING A HARD
TIME WITH THE VOLUME OF VOTES?
HAVE YOU BEEN TOLD ANYTHING ON
THAT FRONT?
>> WELL, VERY CLEARLY THE VOLUME
HAS CREATED A BIG DELAY.
AND AGAIN, AS HANNAH JUST
REPORTED, THEY ONLY STARTED AT
4:00 A.M. THIS MORNING.
CLEARLY THERE'S A LOT OF SOCIAL
DISTANCING INVOLVED IN THE
COUNTING AND ALL OF THESE
THINGS.
WE'VE NEVER DONE SOMETHING LIKE
IN IN A GLOBAL PANDEMIC SO I'M
JUST GOING TO CUT THAT COMMITTEE
THAT ARE IN OTTAWA COUNTING A
LOT OF SLACK FOR THE WONDERFUL
JOB THAT THEY'RE DOING.
>> Rosemary: FAIR ENOUGH.
IT GIVES US MORE TIME TO ANALYZE
WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORE
IT HAPPENS.
>> I'VE GOT TIME TO GET TO MY
HOTEL ROOM IN GIMLI BEFORE THEY
START ANNOUNCING.
>> Rosemary: GOOD.
LISTEN, YOU'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A
WHILE.
I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY, ALSO
AS PRESIDENT OF THE PARTY UNDER
STEPHEN HARPER YOU WERE
APPOINTED TO THE SENATE.
HOW BIG A MOMENT IS THIS FOR THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY THAT YOU LOVE
SO MUCH, IN TERMS OF MOVING
FORWARD?
WHAT ARE YOU HOPING FOR?
>> WELL, THANK YOU, ROSIE.
IN DEED IT IS A BIG MOMENT.
CLEARLY WE HAVE AN OUTGOING
LEADER THAT DID A TREMENDOUS JOB
FOR US IN OPPOSITION AND I WANT
TO THANK ANDREW SCHEER FOR THE
GREAT JOB THAT HE HAS DONE OVER
THE LAST YEARS.
KEEPING OUR CAUCUS UNITED, WE
HAVE A UNITED CAUCUS BOTH IN THE
HOUSE OF COMMONS AND IN THE
SENATE AND THIS IS A GREAT
MOMENT.
ANY TIME YOU HAVE A LEADERSHIP
RACE BUT TO HAVE A LEADERSHIP
RACE, THE LARGEST LEADERSHIP
RACE IN CANADIAN HISTORY, MORE
PEOPLE HAVE CAST A BALLOT FOR
THIS LEADERSHIP RACE THAN ANY
OTHER LEADERSHIP RACE FOR ANY
POLITICAL PARTY IN CANADIAN
HISTORY.
I THINK IT IS A GREAT MOMENT AND
WE WILL BE UNITED UNDER THE NEW
LEADER.
WE WILL HOLD THE SCANDAL-PLAGUED
TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT TO ACCOUNT
UNDER THE NEW LEADER WHEN HE OR
SHE GETS NAMED LATER ON TONIGHT.
>> Rosemary: SENATOR PLETT,
THANK YOU FOR JUMPING OFF A
PLANE AND TALKING TO US.
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR DRIVE TO
GIMLI.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE TIME.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Rosemary: ALL RIGHT.
AND TO RECAP OUR BREAKING NEWS,
THERE IS IN DEED A 90-MINUTE
DELAY.
WE HAVE LOTS MORE TO TALK ABOUT
RIGHT AFTER THIS.
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>> Rosemary: OKAY, LET'S BRING
BACK SOME OF OUR REPORTERS AND
THE HOST OF "POWER & POLITICS,"
VASSY KAPELOS, HELPING US
THROUGH THIS SPECIAL.
WE'LL START WITH HANNAH IF YOU
DON'T MIND BECAUSE SHE'S GOT
MORE INFORMATION ON THE DELAY.
WHAT ARE YOU HEARING?
>> Hannah: SO THERE IS A DELAY
NOW IN THE START OF THE
PROGRAMME.
WE KNEW THAT IT WOULD START AT
6:00 p.m. AND THAT WOULD BE A
SPEECH WITH THE OUTGOING LEADER
ANDREW SCHEER.
BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE PROCESSING
DELAYS WITH THE BALLOTING
PROCESS, THAT MEANS THAT IT'S
NOW BEEN DELAYED TO START AT
7:30, AND LIKELY THE FIRST SET
OF BALLOTS WILL BE AT 8:00
p.m..
BUT LET'S BRING IN SOMEONE WHO
KNOWS ALL ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS LISA RAITT, THE CO-CHAIR
OF THE LEADERSHIP ORGANIZING
COMMITTEE.
SO THIS NEWS JUST BROKE, LISA.
TELL US WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH
THE BALLOTING AT THIS POINT?
>> I WAS OVER TO SEE THE
PROCESSING CENTRE FOR MYSELF.
SO I CAN TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENS.
AN ENVELOPE EARLIER HAD BEEN
OPENED ALREADY AND WHAT IT MEANS
IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THIS
CONSERVATIVE BALLOT YOU HAVE AN
ENVELOPE FOR YOUR BALLOT AND YOU
INSERTED THAT INTO THE ENVELOPE
THAT YOU THEN MAILED.
SO VERIFICATION OF THESE BALLOTS
HAPPENED OVER THE LAST SIX
WEEKS.
THIS IS THE DAY IN WHICH THOSE
BALLOT ENVELOPES ARE OPENED.
THEY'RE OPENED AUTOMATICALLY BY
AN ACTUAL MACHINE AND WHAT'S
BEEN HAPPENING IS THAT THE
MACHINE IS RIPPING OR CUTTING
SOME OF THESE BALLOTS.
SO IT GOES INTO STEP TWO.
AND WHAT STEP TWO IS, IN FRONT
OF ALL OF THE SCRUTINEERS FROM
ALL OF THE CAMPAIGNS, THEY SHOW
THE BALLOT ON AN OVERHEAD SO
THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE WHAT THE
BALLOT LOOKS LIKE.
AND THEN WE SAY, OKAY, WE'RE
GOING TO MARK IT THIS WAY AND
THE SCRUTINEERS SAY, OKAY, WE
SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
NOTHING IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN
WE ANTICIPATED IN TERMS OF
RIPPING BUT THERE'S 174,000
BALLOTS AS WELL.
>> Hannah: IS THERE ANY SENSE
THAT THIS WOULD BE THE FINAL
DELAY OR COULD IT BE LONGER?
>> THAT'S MY ONLY SENSE.
I HAVE NOT BEEN OVER TO THE
PROCESSING AREA TO GET MORE
INFORMATION ON THAT, HANNAH, BUT
I WILL LET YOU GUYS KNOW AND TO
KEEP YOU UP-TO-DATE.
AND I LEARNED AT 5:42 THAT THIS
WOULD BE WAITING AND WE WANT TO
GET IT ON THE ROAD BUT WE'LL
LOOK AT THE AGENDA AND TIGHTEN
IT UP TO ENSURE THAT WE GET THIS
OVER AT AN EARLIER TIME.
>> Hannah: IS THERE ANY
CONCERN ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF
THE BALLOTING SYSTEM BECAUSE
SOME OF THOSE BALLOTS HAVE BEEN
RIPPED OR YOU HAVE TO RE-MARK
THEM?
>> NOT AT ALL.
I WILL TELL YOU WHY, THEY HAVE
SCRUTINEERS AT THOSE TABLES AND
THERE'S A PROBLEM THAT YOU WOULD
KNOW BY NOW.
THERE'S NO ISSUES IN TERMS OF
EVERYONE SEEING THE BALLOT THAT
HAS BEEN MARKED AND EVERYONE
KNOWING THAT'S WHAT IS GOING TO
BE HAPPENING.
IF THEY WANT TO CHALLENGE IT AT
THE TIME, IT'S THEIR POINT AND
TIME TO DO IT, BUT RIGHT NOW
IT'S ABOUT PROCESSING THEM AND
GETTING THEM IN THE MACHINE.
>> Hannah: WHAT ABOUT THE
WHOLE PROGRAMME, IS IT NOW SPED
UP BECAUSE OF THE DELAY?
>> WE'LL DO THINGS A LITTLE MORE
QUICKLY AND WE WERE GOING TO
HAVE FUN GOING ACROSS COUNTRY
AND INTRODUCING PEOPLE BUT WE'LL
TIGHTEN UP ON THAT SO THAT WE
CAN GET THAT FIRST BALLOT TO YOU
BY 8:00, 8:15.
>> Hannah: IF NOT YOU HAVE
YOUR TAP SHOES, RIGHT?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> Hannah: LISA RAITT, THANK
YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT
INFORMATION.
I APPRECIATE IT.
BACK TO YOU, ROSIE.
>> Rosemary: HANNAH, I HATE TO
TELL YOU THAT IT'S NOT LISA
RAITT'S TAP SHOES IT'S YOU AND
CATHERINE AND VASSY'S TAP SHOES
THAT NEED TO BE READY.
>> Hannah: I KNOW HOW TO
DANCE.
[laughter]
>> Rosemary: ALL RIGHT, THANK
YOU FOR THAT, HANNAH.
I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO VASSY
KAPELOS AND CATHERINE CULLEN
AFTER A SHORT BREAK BECAUSE WE
WANT TO TAKE ONE MORE BREAK
BEFORE WE START OUR SPECIAL
COVERAGE.
IF YOU'RE JUST TUNING IN THERE'S
A 90-MINUTE DELAY IN THE
PROCESSING FOR THE VOTES OF THE
LEADERSHIP CAMPAIGN.
BUT WE WILL -- WE ARE EXPECTED
THAT THINGS WILL PICK UP AND
THEY'RE GOING TO TIGHTEN THE
PROGRAMME DOWN.
ONE OF THE REASONS THEY MIGHT DO
THAT, OF COURSE, IS MANY
NEWSCAST HAPPEN AT 9:00 EASTERN
AND 10:00 EASTERN SO THEY'LL
WANT TO HAVE THE ANNOUNCEMENT
BEFORE THAT.
AND ANOTHER PRACTICAL ISSUE THAT
THERE IS NHL PLAYOFF HOCKEY THAT
IS LOOMING ON THE TV AS WELL.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO START
LOSING VIEWERS TO THAT IF THEY
DON'T GET SOME ANNOUNCEMENTS OUT
QUICKLY.
SO WE'LL SEE HOW THEY CAN
TIGHTEN THINGS UP.
I BRING IN NOW THE HOST OF
"POWER & POLITICS," VASSY
KAPELOS.
I REMEMBER AN N.D.P. CONVENTION
WHEN THOMAS MULCAIR WON, I CAN'T
REMEMBER WHAT YEAR IT WAS NOW,
IT WENT ON ENDLESSLY TO THE
POINT THAT PETER MANSBRIDGE AND
I WERE TALKING ABOUT A PIGEON
THAT HAD ENTERED THE CONVENTION
CENTRE.
SO PROBABLY WON'T GET THAT BAD
FOR US.
BUT DELAYS ARE NORMAL.
WHAT ARE YOU HEARING?
>> Vassy: YEAH, THEY'RE NORMAL
AND I'M NOT HEARING NERVES FROM
THE CAMPAIGN AROUND IT AND I
THINK THAT LISA HAD A PRETTY
DETAILED EXPLANATION.
BUT A TROUBLING ONE.
IF THE MACHINES ARE RIPPING THE
BALLOTS OR THOSE ENVELOPES WE
DON'T KNOW WHAT DEGREE THAT IS
HAPPENING SO I THINK THAT
HANNAH'S QUESTION WAS A GOOD
ONE, DOES IT MEAN JUST THIS
DELAY OR SOMETHING LONGER, GIVEN
THAT THERE ARE 175,000 BALLOTS
TO GO THROUGH.
IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THERE WAS
ANY ASSURANCE THAT THIS WOULD BE
IT.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY --
MY GUESS WOULD BE BUCKLE UP
BECAUSE THIS WILL BE QUITE A
WHILE.
LIKE I SAID THOUGH, FROM INSIDE
OF THE CAMPAIGNS, NOT A LOT OF
NERVES AROUND THIS BUT NERVES
AROUND THE FIRST BALLOT RESULTS
THOUGH.
>> Rosemary: AND NOW THEY'RE
DELAYED AND YOU GET TO A PLACE
WHERE YOU WAIT FOR THEM
DESPERATELY TO ARRIVE.
I THINK THOUGH BECAUSE THE
BALLOTS -- FROM WHAT I
UNDERSTAND, CORRECT ME IF I'M
WRONG HERE -- I THINK THAT THE
BALLOTS JUST GO THROUGH ONCE
THOUGH AND REGISTER EVERY CHOICE
THAT YOU'VE HAD IN YOUR RANKED
BALLOT.
SO PRESUMABLY THIS IS A ONE-TIME
PROBLEM FOR THE 175,000 BALLOTS,
IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN ONCE
THEY'RE THROUGH THINGS?
>> Vassy: YEAH, I THINK SO.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL.
I GUESS THAT IT JUST DEPENDS ON
HOW MANY OF THE 175,000 THEY'RE
THROUGH AND HOW MANY ARE
PROVIDING THIS KIND OF PROBLEM.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE THEY KIND OF
FIGURED IT OUT SO CLOSE TO THE
START OF THE PROGRAMME MY GUESS
IS THEY'RE PRETTY FAR INTO THE
175,000.
>> Rosemary: YOU WOULD HOPE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT, VASSY.
AND CAN I ALSO GO TO CATHERINE
CULLEN TO GET CATHERINE TO WEIGH
IN ON WHAT SHE'S HEARING AS
WELL.
OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T THINK THAT
ANYONE IS IN A PANIC STAGE AT
THIS POINT?
>> Reporter: I TEXTED THAT
PIGEON, ROSIE, AND THE PIGEON IS
ON STANDBY.
[laughter]
>> Rosemary: THANK YOU, I
APPRECIATE THAT.
>> Reporter: ACTUALLY, I AM IN
ALL SINCERITY GETS A TEXT RIGHT
NOW -- NOT FROM THE PIGEON, JUST
TO BE CLEAR -- THEY ARE HOPE TO
FEEL MAKE UP THE TIME.
AND CONSERVATIVES WHO ARE ON
SITE, THERE'S SOME GROANING
GOING ON AND NOT BECAUSE WE MAY
HAVE TO DO A BIT OF TAP DANCING.
I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE
QUESTION OF THE FINAL RESULTS,
ALTHOUGH THEY'RE STARTING TO
SEEM FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY,
AREN'T THEY?
BUT SOMETHING THAT I HAVE HEARD
FROM A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES, WE
HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE PROSPECT
OF THIS BEING A CLOSE RACE,
PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES DOWN
TO PETER MacKAY AND ERIN
O'TOOLE, AND NOT CLEAR HOW
LESLYN LEWIS WILL PLAY INTO THAT
BECAUSE SHE REALLY HAS SEEN A
SURGE, PARTICULARLY IN THE LAST
FEW WEEKS.
A LOT MORE SUPPORT GOING FOR
HER.
BUT IF IT'S A CLOSE RACE I CAN
TELL YOU THAT QUITE A FEW OF THE
CONSERVATIVES, PARTICULARLY THE
MEMBERS OF CAUCUS, SAY THEY
WOULD REALLY PREFER TO NOT SEE
THAT SORT OF 51/49 SPLIT THAT WE
SAW THE LAST GO AROUND -- THIS
IS TRUE OF ANY LEADERSHIP
RACE -- PARTICULARLY TRUE OF THE
CONSERVATIVES BIG COALITION
PARTY.
THERE'S ALWAYS A QUESTION OF
PARTY UNITY.
AND LAST TIME MAXIME BERNIER
HEADED OFF AND STARTED HIS OWN
PARTY AND THE FEAR IS NOT THAT
SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD
REPLICATE ITSELF, OBVIOUSLY, BUT
KEEPING EVERYBODY ON THE SAME
PAGE AND BEING A CLEAR WINNER.
THAT SAID, I SPOKE TO SOMEONE
CLOSE TO ANDREW SCHEER WHO SAID
WHOEVER WINS, EVEN IF IT'S 51%,
YOU ARE NOT 51% THE LEADER, YOU
ARE 100% THE LEADER.
SO REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME
TONIGHT, IT'S ABOUT MAKING A
STATEMENT ABOUT UNITY AND
GETTING THE CAUCUS TOGETHER IN
THE SAME ROOM, AND HUGGING IT
OUT AS ONE PERSON PUT TO ME --
BUT, OF COURSE, NO ACTUAL
HUGGING IN THIS TIME.
BUT, REALLY, REALLY REGARDLESS
WHERE THE NUMBERS FALL, TRYING
TO GET EVERYBODY BACK ON THE
SAME TEAM.
ERIN O'TOOLE HAS ALREADY SENT
OUT A NOTE AS SOON AS THE
DEADLINE PASSED SAYING THAT THIS
WAS ALL LIKE ONE BIG
THANKSGIVING DINNER, AND, YES,
THERE'S A LITTLE FIGHTING BUT
WE'RE ONE BIG FAMILY.
THAT'S A MESSAGE THAT YOU EXPECT
TO HEAR IN THE OUTSIDE VOICE TO
THE PUBLIC AT LARGE FROM ALL OF
THE CANDIDATES.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, I THINK
THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT YOU'RE
RIGHT TO POINT OUT THAT SPLIT
FROM THE LAST -- FROM THE LAST
LEADERSHIP CONVENTION BACK IN
2017.
THE DIFFERENCE WAS THAT IT WAS
IN THE 13th ROUND OF VOTING,
BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY
CANDIDATES THAT ANDREW SCHEER
GOT 50.9% OF THE AVAILABLE VOTES
AND MAXIME NOT EVEN 2% BETWEEN
THE TWO OF THEM.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHAT
CAUSED MAXIME BERNIER TO STORM
OFF AND TO CREATE HIS OWN PARTY.
BUT IT CERTAINLY DIDN'T HELP
MATTERS.
>> Reporter: MY SENSE WAS
ALWAYS THAT HE -- HE WAS SO
CLOSE.
AND WE HAVE REPORTED ON THIS,
LIKE, YOU KNOW, HE HAD HIS PLAN
FOR THE NEXT DAY.
WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO FILM
BEHIND THE SCENES AND HE SAID TO
RONA AMBROSE, THE OUTGOING
INTERIM LEADER, I CAN'T WAIT FOR
OUR MEETING TOMORROW AND SHE
SAID, WAIT, THE BALLOT HASN'T
BEEN COUNTED.
AND THE THREAT HERE IN TERMS OF
UNITY DOESN'T COME NECESSARILY
BETWEEN THE TWO CAMPS.
I THINK THAT THE BIGGER CONCERN
FOR THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY IS
MORE BROADLY THE REGIONAL
DIVIDES WITHIN THE COUNTRY AND
THE PRESSURE THAT PUTS ON THIS
PARTY.
>> Rosemary: MAYBE I'LL BRING
IN VASSY BEFORE WE GO TO HANNAH
WHO HAS A GUEST.
AND THE ISSUE OF UNITY, IT'S A
CHALLENGE FOR ANY PARTY THAT
GOES THROUGH A LEADERSHIP
CONVENTION.
THIS ONE MAYBE HASN'T BEEN
CAUSTIC, AS CAUSTIC AS SOME THAT
WE HAVE SEEN.
A LOT OF THE ATTACKS ARE FOCUSED
ON THE PRIME MINISTER AND NOT
ONE ANOTHER.
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN BETWEEN
PETER MacKAY AND ERIN O'TOOLE
IN PARTICULAR, AND CATHERINE
TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER, WHO
HAVE BEEN MORE AGGRESSIVE IN
TRYING TO DEFINE HIMSELF AS
QUOTE/UNQUOTE, A REAL
CONSERVATIVE.
>> Reporter: AND THE FIRST IS
REGIONAL, BUT THE SECOND IS WHAT
HAPPENED A FEW -- NOT EVEN THAT
LONG AGO -- IT FEELS LIKE
YESTERDAY BACK IN DECEMBER,
PRE-PANDEMIC TIMES WHEN THERE
WAS ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, A BIT
OF A MUTINY TOWARDS ANDREW
SCHEER, RIGHT?
DRIVEN BY PEOPLE WHO WERE VASTLY
DISAPPOINTED IN THEIR PARTY'S
PERFORMANCE IN THE LAST
ELECTION.
I KNOW THAT A DIFFERENT MESSAGE
WILL BE PUT FORWARD TODAY.
BUT PETER MacKAY WAS ONE OF
THEM, RIGHT?
AND HE WAS ACCUSING SCHEER OF
NOT BEING ABLE TO SCORE ON AN
EMPTY NET.
THERE WAS DIVISION AMONG THEM
ABOUT WHO SHOULD STAY AND WHO
SHOULD GO.
AND THAT CERTAINLY HAS
PERSISTED.
I THINK THAT YOU'RE RIGHT THAT
IT HASN'T NECESSARILY BEEN AS
FRACTIOUS AS PAST LEADERSHIP
CAMPAIGNS, AND ESPECIALLY THE
SIX OR EIGHT MONTHS THAT ENSUED
AFTER THE LAST ONE.
BUT THERE ARE VERY REAL ISSUES
THANKS TO THE START OF THIS
PARTY THAT HAVE PERSISTED
THROUGHOUT THAT ARE DEFINITELY
SOMETHING THAT THE NEXT LEADER
WILL HAVE TO TACKLE.
AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY
CONVERSATIONS RIGHT NOW, FOR
EXAMPLE, THAT IT WILL BE -- IF
PETER MacKAY IS SUCCESSFUL
TONIGHT, A CHIEF FOCUS OF HIS
SPEECH.
IN FACT, HE PLANS IF SUCCESSFUL
TO TRAVEL OUT WEST VERY QUICKLY,
EVEN THOUGH THE PREMIER OF
ALBERTA, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS
SUPPORTED ERIN O'TOOLE, THERE'S
AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THE
REGIONAL FRACTURES WILL HAVE TO
BE ADDRESSED IN A MORE
SUBSTANTIVE WAY AS MICHELLE
REMPEL GARNER POINTED OUT.
BUT THERE'S ALWAYS UNDERLYING
MESSAGES AROUND UNITY OR LACK
THEREOF OR DISCORD.
ANDREW SCHEER TALKED ABOUT THEM
WITH OUR COLLEAGUE CHRIS HALL
AND HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE GOING
FORWARD.
IT'S A REAL TEST FOR WHICHEVER
LEADER IS AT THE HELM AND, YOU
KNOW, IT WAS ONE OF THE BIG
REASONS THAT ULTIMATELY ANDREW
SCHEER COULDN'T PULL THINGS
TOGETHER.
>> Rosemary: YOU HEARD SENATOR
PLETT TALK ABOUT HOW SCHEER KEPT
THE PARTY UNIFIED AND HE ONLY
KEPT IT UNIFIED BY AGREEING TO
GO.
AND IF HE TRIED TO HOLD ON, THAT
THE PARTY WOULD HAVE POTENTIALLY
SPLIT.
AND SO IT WAS ONLY BY LEAVING
THAT HE WAS ABLE TO KEEP THE
CAUCUS ONSIDE THROUGHOUT THIS
LEADERSHIP RACE.
THAT, YOU KNOW, IS A WHOLE OTHER
PART THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT
TOO BECAUSE WHEN YOU GAIN MORE
SEATS AND YOU HAVE MORE VOTES
THAN THE LIBERAL PARTY, YOU
KNOW, AND YOU'RE STILL FORCED TO
QUIT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT
SOME PEOPLE ARE STILL UPSET AT
THE WAY THAT UNFOLDED TOO,
PEOPLE THAT SUPPORTED ANDREW
SCHEER THROUGHOUT THE ELECTION
CAMPAIGN AND THEN AFTER.
VASSY, I WILL COME BACK TO YOU
AND TO CATHERINE AS WELL.
LET'S GO TO HANNAH NOW WHO HAS A
GUEST, I BELIEVE SOMEONE FROM
THE LESLYN LEWIS TEAM WHO IS NOW
WAITING LIKE THE REST OF US FOR
RESULTS WHICH ARE, WE HEAR,
ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF
DELAYED.
HANNAH?
>> Hannah: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
I'M JOINED BY STEPHEN OUTHOUSE,
A CAMPAIGN MANAGER FOR LESLYN
LEWIS.
AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS,
STEPHEN, LESLYN LEWIS WAS KIND
OF SEEN AS MAYBE THE UNDERDOG IN
ALL OF THIS.
BUT LOOK AT THE FUNDRAISING
NUMBERS THAT YOU GUYS WERE ABLE
TO ACHIEVE -- $2 MILLION.
THAT SHOWS THAT PEOPLE WERE
PAYING ATTENTION TO HER
CAMPAIGN.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT BROUGHT
THAT ATTENTION?
>> WELL, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, I
THINK THAT SHE'S DONE A GREAT
JOB CONNECTING WITH THE
CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS ACROSS
COUNTRY.
WE HAVE SEEN HER EVEN WITHIN THE
PANDEMIC TIME TO CONNECT WITH A
LOT OF PEOPLE USING TECHNOLOGY.
AND WE'VE HAD A GREAT RESPONSE
TO HER MESSAGES.
SHE'S STAYED VERY TRUE TO THE
CONSERVATIVE VALUES BUT TALKED
ABOUT EXPANDING THE BIG BLUE
TENT AND MAKING SURE THAT ALL,
YOU KNOW, AREAS OF THE PARTY ARE
REPRESENTED AND THAT SHE WOULD
BE A LEADER FOR ALL
CONSERVATIVES AND THEN FOR ALL
CANADIANS.
SO THAT MESSAGE SEEMED TO
RESONATE WELL AND WE ARE
ENCOURAGED WITH THE SUPPORT FROM
COAST-TO-COAST-TO-COAST.
>> Hannah: YOU HAVE A SMALL
BUT A MIGHTY TEAM AND FOR YOU
TOO YOU HAVE TO BE GIVEN SOME OF
THAT CREDIT.
YOU WORKED UNDER THE STEPHEN
HARPER GOVERNMENT AS WELL AS
BEHIND THE SCENES.
THE MECHANICS BEHIND IT IS
REALLY IMPORTANT TOO IN GETTING
OUT THE VOTE.
TELL US ABOUT THAT.
>> WE HAD A TEAM THAT PUNCHED
ABOVE ITS WEIGHT AND VERY PROUD
OF OUR TEAM.
WE WORKED VERY HARD AND WE HAVE
A GREAT CANDIDATE WHICH IS WHAT
DRAWS PEOPLE IN MOSTLY.
BUT WE MAKE SURE THAT THE
LOGISTICS AND THE ORGINISATION
IS THERE TO GET THOSE VOTES FROM
OUT OF THE FIELD AND INTO THE
BOX.
WE'VE BEEN PLEASED TO GET OVER
80% OF OUR SUPPORTERS WHO WE
HAVE IDENTIFIED INTO THE BOX TO
GIVE DR. LEWIS THE BEST CHANCE
POSSIBLE AS SHE CAN WHEN THE
RESULTS ARE TABULATED TODAY.
>> Hannah: WHEN THE RESULTS
ARE TABULATED.
WE HAVE A BIT OF A DELAY.
WHAT HAS MISS LEWIS BEEN DOING
OVER THE PAST COUPLE DAYS
BECAUSE ON FRIDAY AT 5:00
P.M., IT'S ALL DONE.
WHAT DO YOU DO?
>> TAKE TIME WITH YOUR FAMILY
AND GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND
PACK UP AND COME TO OTTAWA AND
HAVE TIME WITH YOUR FAMILY
PRIMARILY.
SO SHE'S BEEN HERE AND JUST
SPENDING SOME TIME WITH HER
CHILDREN AND WAITING FOR THE
RESULTS TO COME OUT TODAY.
>> Hannah: WHAT DO WE LOOK FOR
ON THE FIRST BALLOT WHEN IT
COMES TO MISS LEWIS?
>> I THINK HER PATH TO VICTORY,
FOR IT TO BE THERE, WE NEED TO
BE WITHIN STRIKING DISTANCE OF
SECOND PLACE.
AT LEAST.
AND IF WE'RE THERE OR BEYOND, I
THINK THAT SHE HAS A GREAT
CHANCE TO MOVE FURTHER UP AND
PERHAPS EVEN WIN.
BUT WE'LL JUST LET THE MEMBERS
DECIDE.
>> Hannah: AND ARE YOU
NERVOUS?
>> THERE'S ALWAYS -- YOU KNOW,
ON THE DAY OF YOU'RE EAGER TO
GET THE RESULTS FOR SURE AND SEE
WHAT HAPPENS.
AND, OF COURSE, THE DELAY JUST
ADDS TO THAT ANTICIPATION AND
EXCITEMENT.
SO WE WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE
VOLUNTEERS WORKING HARD.
YES, WE'RE VERY EAGER FOR YOU TO
BE DONE.
>> Hannah: AND FINALLY, IF
MISS LEWIS WINS THIS EVENING,
WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR TOMORROW?
>> SO TOMORROW IT WILL BE,
OBVIOUSLY, A SERIES OF MEDIA
INTERVIEWS AND GET TO WORK.
WE HEAD TO THE OFFICE AND SET UP
SHOP THERE AND TO GET THINGS
ORGANIZED BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT
TO DO ON THE PARTY FRONT, ON THE
L.A.O. SIDE AND PREPARING FOR A
POTENTIAL ELECTION IN THE FALL
AND WHICH SEAT SHE'LL BE RUNNING
IN, AND ALL OF THIS WOULD BE ON
THE AGENDA FOR US.
>> Hannah: WHO WOULD RUN, FOR
EXAMPLE, SHE DOESN'T HAVE A SEAT
IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS BUT SHE
HAS SUGGESTED HOW IT WOULD WORK
WHILE SHE'S NOT IN THE HOUSE OF
COMMONS?
>> YES, WE HAVE BEEN VERY
PLEASED.
SHE HAS A BROAD BASE OF SUPPORT
AND WE HAVE BEEN THRILLED WITH
THE CAUCUS SUPPORT AROUND HER
AND A LOT OF GOODWILL, EVEN FROM
THE CAUCUS MEMBERS ENDORSING
OTHER CANDIDATES IN THE RACE.
EVERYONE HAS EXPRESSED
WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH HER.
THERE WERE QUESTIONS HOW
DR. LEWIS WOULD LEAD IN THE
HOUSE IF SHE DIDN'T HAVE A SEAT,
SO WE PUT FORWARD A PLAN WITH
QUALIFIED AND EXPERIENCED
M.P.s, LIKE M.P.P. POILIEVRE
AND CANDICE BERGEN AND THEY
AGREED TO TAKE ON ROLES IN THE
LEWIS-LED OPPOSITION UNTIL SHE
WAS ABLE TO SECURE A SEAT
HERSELF.
SO WE WOULD HAVE THAT COVERED
VERY, VERY WELL, SHOULD WE HAVE
A CHANCE TO GO IN THE HOUSE THIS
FALL.
>> Hannah: WOULD SHE WAIT FOR
A BY-ELECTION OR RUN IN THE FALL
ELECTION?
>> WE'LL TACKLE AFTER THE VOTING
IS DONE.
>> Hannah: WHAT DO WE EXPECT
TO HEAR FROM THAT SPEECH?
>> FROM HER SPEECH TONIGHT WOULD
BE FOCUSED ON PARTY UNITY AND
BRINGING THE PARTY TOGETHER AND
MOVING FORWARD AND GETTING READY
TO RUN IN THE NEXT ELECTION.
AND TO BE READY TO REPLACE THE
LIBERALS WITH A NEW GOVERNMENT.
SO WE'LL BE TALKING AND REACHING
OUT TO PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T VOTE
FOR HER, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO
DID VOTE FOR HER, AND TO TALK
AND LAY THE GROUNDWORK TO EXPAND
THE PARTY IN THE NEXT ELECTION.
>> Hannah: STEPHEN OUTHOUSE,
THANK YOU.
ROSIE, BACK TO YOU.
>> Rosemary: I APPRECIATE
THAT.
SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT LESLYN
LEWIS, PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW HER,
SHE'S, IN FACT, THE FIRST BLACK
WOMAN TO RUN FOR THE LEADERSHIP
OF A POLITICAL PARTY IN THIS
COUNTRY.
SHE HASN'T BEEN ELECTED BEFORE
BUT SHE DID RUN UNSUCCESSFULLY
ONCE AND SHE'S BEEN NOTICED BY
CONSERVATIVES ACROSS THE
COUNTRY.
SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE
RESULTS ARE HERE TONIGHT, SHE
PROBABLY HAS A FUTURE IN
POLITICS IF SHE WANTS ONE.
LET ME BRING IN A COUPLE OF
PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN WATCHING
THIS RACE CLOSELY, MELISSA
MANSMAN IS A POLITICAL
STRATEGIST AND THE VICE
PRESIDENT OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS AT
ENTERPRISE.
AND SHAKIR CHAMBERS, A SENIOR
CONSULTANT AT NAVIGATOR.
GOOD TO SEE YOU BOTH, I
APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE, NOW
THAT I HAVE WAY MORE TIME TO ONY
HANDS TO TALK TO PEOPLE AND PICK
THEIR BRAINS.
LET'S START WITH LESLYN LEWIS
FOR YOU BOTH, BECAUSE I DON'T
THINK THAT PEOPLE WHO AREN'T
CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS MAYBE KNOW
A WHOLE LOT ABOUT HER.
AND THE FACT THAT SHE HAS MADE A
BIG DIFFERENCE, AND LIKELY WILL
MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THIS RACE.
IF ONLY BECAUSE SHE'S RAISED A
LOT OF MONEY.
SHE'S RAISED $2 MILLION ON HER
OWN.
SHAKIR, I'LL START WITH YOU,
WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT IS GOING
ON THERE AND WHAT HAS LESLYN
LEWIS BEEN ABLE TO TAP INTO?
>> I THINK THERE'S A LEVEL OF
AUTHENTICITY, WHICH VOTERS ARE
LOOKING FOR.
SHE SPEAKING VERY PLAINLY, EVEN
AS A SELF-DECLARED SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVE, SHE STILL TALKS
ABOUT THESE VIEWS AND HAS ROOM
FOR DISCUSSION.
NOT ONLY TALKING ABOUT SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVE VIEWS BUT PUTS MORE
MEAT ON THESE ISSUES, RIGHT, AND
TALKS ABOUT ECONOMIC POLICY AND
TALKS ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO WHAT SHE BRINGS TO THE TABLE
IS A VERY FRANK DISCUSSION AND I
THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING
FOR.
I THINK THAT PEOPLE GRAVITATE
TOWARDS THAT, TOWARDS HER
PERSPECTIVES AND HER VIEW AND
HER LANGUAGE AND THE WAY SHE
CONVERSES WITH VOTERS.
>> Rosemary: SHE HAS SAID THAT
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY IS WHEN
LIBERALS ACCUSE CONSERVATIVES OF
HAVING A HIDDEN AGENDA.
SO SHE'S TRIED TO BE REALLY BE
UPFRONT AND SPECIFIC ABOUT HER
POSITIONS AROUND ABORTION, FOR
INSTANCE, WHERE SHE WANTS TO PUT
SOME RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE FOR
ACCESS TO ABORTION.
MELISSA, WHAT DO I THINK THAT
HAS MADE THE DIFFERENCE FOR
PEOPLE LOOKING WITH A SECOND
GLANCE AT LESLYN LEWIS OR MAYBE
A FIRST GLANCE FOR MANY PEOPLE
TOO?
>> I THINK THAT THE AUTHENTICITY
HAS A LOT TO DO WITH IT.
BUT SHE'S BEEN A WILD CARD
THROUGHOUT THE RACE, BECAUSE I
THINK THAT THE PARTY IS LOOKING
FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SOMETHING NEW, SOMETHING THAT
THEY HAVEN'T HAD BEFORE.
AND TO INCLUDE THE VIEWS THAT
MAKE THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY IN A
REAL AND IN A THOUGHTFUL
DISCUSSION, NOT ONE THAT SORT OF
IS MIRED IN, YOU KNOW, FOR OR
AGAINST LITMUS TEST-TYPE
QUESTIONS.
THAT'S WHERE SHE HAS COME UP AND
BEYOND WHAT THE EXPECTATION
AROUND HER WAS, WHICH WAS VERY
LOW, TO BE A REAL CONTENDER
TONIGHT.
>> Rosemary: LET ME CORRECT
MYSELF WHICH PHIL AND ALTHIA RAJ
ARE DOING RIGHT NOW, AND LESLYN
LEWIS IS THE FIRST BLACK WOMAN
TO RUN FOR THE LEADERSHIP OF ANY
POLITICAL PARTY WAS ROSEMARY
BROWN, WHICH I WOULD REMEMBER
GIVEN THAT WE SHARE THE NAME AND
SHE DID THAT IN THE N.D.P., SHE
AND ED BROAD BENT, SO THANK YOU
FOR CORRECTING ME.
MELISSA, AFTER THE ELECTION, YOU
WROTE AN OP-ED WITH YOUR FRIEND,
JAMIE ELLERTON, A FRIEND OF OURS
AS WELL IN THE "GLOBE & MAIL"
ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE PARTY
AND HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME
ISSUES ARE SORT OF PUT TO BED.
DO YOU STILL HAVE THOSE
CONCERNS?
HAS ANY OF THAT BEEN DEALT WITH
IN YOUR MIND?
>> I THINK THAT MUCH OF IT HAS
BEEN DEALT WITH, AND THE TRUTH
IS THAT ANYONE WHO WINS TONIGHT
HAS A MASSIVE OPPORTUNITY TO
PRESENT A NEW VISION TO
CANADIANS AND MODERNIZE THE
PARTY IN WAYS THAT IT WASN'T IN
THE LAST ELECTION.
LOOK, I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT
OF REASONS WHY THE LAST ELECTION
FOR THE CONSERVATIVES WASN'T
SUCCESSFUL.
CERTAINLY, THE ISSUE THAT I
WROTE ABOUT WAS ONE OF THEM.
BUT THE NEW LEADER, YOU KNOW,
TOMORROW HAS A MASSIVE JOB IN
TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT THE
PARTY, YOU KNOW, THE CAUCUS,
EVERYBODY IS ROWING IN THE SAME
DIRECTION AND THAT THEY PRESENT
A REAL PLAN FOR CANADIANS TO
POTENTIALLY TO VOTE ON AS EARLY
AS SEPTEMBER.
>> Rosemary: AND WHAT DO YOU
THINK, SHAKIR, HAS THE PARTY --
I DON'T KNOW IF MODERNIZE IS THE
RIGHT WORD, BECAUSE I THINK THAT
IT SUGGESTS THAT IT WAS STUCK
SOMEWHERE ELSE -- BUT THERE WERE
ISSUES THAT THE PARTY COULD BE
PERHAPS MORE ON THE SAME PAGE AS
A LARGE MAJORITY OF CANADIANS
WHO HAVE, YOU KNOW, PUT TO BED
THE ISSUE OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE,
FOR INSTANCE.
WHERE DO YOU SEE THINGS MOVING
ON THAT FRONT?
>> YEAH, I'M NOT SO SURE THAT
THE PARTIES ARE HAVING THESE
DEBATES ABOUT SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
OR THE ISSUES BROUGHT UP BY THE
OPPOSITION AND EVEN THE MEDIA,
RIGHT?
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS
THAT IN SEPTEMBER WE COULD GO
INTO AN ELECTION AND WE KNOW
THAT THE LIBERALS WILL HAVE
THEIR AGENDA PUT FORTH.
THERE ARE CONSERVATIVE SOLUTIONS
TO SOME OF THE BIG ISSUES OF OUR
TIME.
WE NEED TO ARTICULATE THESE
VIEWS AND UNDERSTAND THIS IS HOW
WE CAN HELP YOU WITH,
AFFORDABILITY AND THE MATTERS OF
ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE
WANT TO HEAR ABOUT AND THEY
DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE AND ABORTION.
I THINK THOSE ARE BALLOT ISSUES
ON THE NEXT ELECTION.
>> Rosemary: LET ME GET YOU TO
WEIGH IN ON FISCAL
CONSERVATIVISM BECAUSE YOU HEARD
THE PRIME MINISTER LAST WEEK
WHEN HE STARTED TO LAY OUT AN
AGENDA AROUND THE THRONE SPEECH
AND, YOU KNOW, SPENDING IN ORDER
TO HELP THE ECONOMY TO RECOVER.
HE ALSO SORT OF TOOK A STAB AT
PEOPLE, I.E., THE CONSERVATIVE,
WHO MIGHT WANT TO MOVE IN THE
OTHER DIRECTION IN TERMS OF
RESTRAINT.
HOW IMPORTANT A CONVERSATION DO
YOU THINK THAT WILL BE FOR THE
NEW LEADER?
BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM THAT IS
WHERE THE LIBERALS ARE TRYING TO
PUSH THINGS ANYWAY, MELISSA.
>> WELL, THE CONSERVATIVES
SHOULD MAKE NO MISTAKE THAT THIS
THRONE SPEECH IS EFFECTIVELY THE
LAUNCH OF A CAMPAIGN PLATFORM.
SO IT'S INCUMBENT FOR ANY
CONSERVATIVE WHO WINS TONIGHT,
ANYONE WHO WINS THE LEADERSHIP
TONIGHT, TO BE READY WITH A
COUNTER PLAN.
AND THAT'S NOT A PLAN, YOU KNOW,
NECESSARILY OF RESTRAINT IN THE
WAY THAT THE LIBERALS ARE
SUGGESTING.
THIS IS A PLAN THAT LOOKS TO DO
SOMETHING BIG, DO SOMETHING
GRAND, AND TO SET THE COUNTRY IN
A NEW DIRECTION AS WE, YOU KNOW,
COME OUT OF COVID-19 AND TAPPING
INTO THE ECONOMIC RECOVERY.
THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CHALLENGE
FOR THE CONSERVATIVE LEADER.
AND TO HOLD THIS GOVERNMENT TO
ACCOUNT.
BUT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE
PANDEMIC IT HAS NOT HAPPENED,
INCLUDING THE SHUTDOWN OF
PARLIAMENT THAT HAPPENED LAST
WEEK.
>> Rosemary: HOW ABOUT YOU,
SHAKIR, HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU
THINK THAT POSITIONING WILL BE,
IN TERMS OF DECIDING WHAT THE
RECOVERY LOOKS LIKE?
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT IT'S GOING
TO BE VERY IMPORTANT.
I THINK THAT AND I SAID IT
BEFORE ON THIS NETWORK, WHEN YOU
LISTEN TO JUSTIN TRUDEAU'S
REMARKS HE TALKS ABOUT WANTING A
SAFER CANADA AND A CANADA WITH
MORE OPPORTUNITIES AND A CANADA
THAT SUPPORTS WOMEN AND
RACIALIZED GROUPS.
LISTEN, CONSERVATIVES WANT THE
SAME THINGS, WE JUST HAVE A
DIFFERENT WAY OF GETTING THERE.
WE DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A
MATTER OF YOU TOSS MONEY AT A
PROBLEM AND HOPE THAT IT SOLVES
A PROBLEM.
WE BELIEVE IN THE EFFICIENT
MANAGEMENT OF PROGRAMMES AND WE
WANT TO BE THERE TO SUPPORT
CANADIANS, BUT IF YOU WANT A
BATTLE OF IDEAS, WE SHOULD PUT
OUR CONSERVATIVE PLAN ON THE
TABLE AND ALLOW THE VOTERS TO
MAKE THAT DECISION.
AND TELL VOTERS WHY TO TRUST
WITH US THAT BALLOT.
>> Rosemary: ARE EITHER OF YOU
WILLING TO MAKE A PREDICTION?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE
PERSON WHO IS GOING TO GET THE
MOST AMOUNT OF VOTES TONIGHT IS
GOING TO WIN, BUT I'M NOT EVEN
SURE ABOUT THAT.
[laughter]
>> Rosemary: WHO KNOWS, HOW
ABOUT YOU, SHAKIR?
>> IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSE.
IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE
CLOSE.
THAT'S WHAT I CAN SAY.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, SO GOOD OF
YOU BOTH TO MAKE THE TIME AND IT
WAS VERY NICE TO SEE YOU BOTH.
SHAKIR CHAMBERS AND MELISSA
LANTSMAN, THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE IT.
WE MAY CALL YOU BACK BECAUSE
IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG NIGHT,
WHO KNOWS.
LET'S BRING BACK OUR REPORTERS
WHO ARE HELPING US THROUGHOUT
THE SPECIAL WHEN HAS TURNED INTO
A VERY LONG SPECIAL, COVERING
THE ANGLING, THE HOST OF "POWER
& POLITICS," VASSY KAPELOS, AND
HERE WE HAVE CATHERINE CULLEN.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE
TIME BECAUSE IT ALLOWS YOU TO
DIG INTO THE ISSUES AND TALK
ABOUT THE CANDIDATES A LITTLE
BIT MORE.
I THINK THAT IT'S FAIR TO SAY
THAT THE PANDEMIC, CERTAINLY,
CHANGED THE WAY THAT THIS RACE
WAS GOING TO GO.
AND IT CHANGED THE WAY THAT THE
CANDIDATES HAD TO POSITION
THEMSELVES, VASSY.
BUT THE MOVE BY THE PRIME
MINISTER LAST WEEK TO PROROGUE
AS WELL HAS ALSO CHANGED THE
CIRCUMSTANCES FOR THIS
CONSERVATIVE LEADER.
NOT BECAUSE THEY CAN TRIGGER AN
ELECTION ON THEIR OWN, BUT,
CERTAINLY, THERE IS MORE AT
STAKE IT SEEMS.
AND IT BECOMES A LITTLE MORE
IMMEDIATE, SOME OF THE DECISIONS
THEY'LL HAVE TO MAKE AFTER
TONIGHT.
>> YEAH, IT'S INCREDIBLY
IMMEDIATE AND I THOUGHT THAT
BOTH SHAKIR AND MELISSA OUTLINED
THE SIZE AND THE MAGNITUDE AND
THE DEPTH OF THE CHALLENGE AHEAD
OF WHOMEVER EMERGES FROM
TONIGHT, IF, IN FACT, SOMEONE
DOES, VICTORIOUS, RIGHT?
AND I THINK THAT ACTUALLY THE
WAY IN WHICH YOU FRAME IT AS
WELL, RIGHT.
A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO THIS
WOULD HAVE BEEN A BIG DAY FOR
THE CONSERVATIVES BUT WITH A
LESS CERTAIN TIMELINE, RIGHT?
THEY'D HAVE TIME TO GET THINGS
TOGETHER AND TO ARTICULATE THAT
VISION THAT BOTH SHAKIR AND
MELISSA OUTLINED THAT IS SO
IMPORTANT TO HEAR ABOUT BECAUSE
WE HAVE NOT TO THE DEGREE THEY
THINK THAT A LOT OF
CONSERVATIVES WERE HOPING TO.
BUT THAT TIMELINE HAS JUST
GREATLY BEEN ACCELERATED.
WHAT THE PRIME MINISTER SAID
LAST WEEK, FOR PEOPLE NOT
WATCHING 3,000 HOURS OF COVERAGE
OF IT, WAS THAT PARLIAMENT IS
SHUTTING DOWN, AND WHEN IT COMES
BACK HE IS GOING TO OUTLINE ON
BEHALF OF THE LIBERALS THEIR
SORT OF AMBITIOUS VISION, WHICH
IS THE TERM THAT HE USED AT THAT
TIME.
HE'LL PUT IT TO A VOTE OF
CONFIDENCE IN THE HOUSE OF
COMMONS AND FROM THAT THERE
COULD BE AN ELECTION.
I THINK THAT YOU HEARD FROM --
AND MELISSA SAID THIS -- FROM
THAT ANNOUNCEMENT ON, I DON'T
KNOW HOW YOU CAN TAKE IT
ANYTHING BUT THE UNOFFICIAL
START OF SOME KIND OF CAMPAIGN.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW LONG THAT
CAMPAIGN IS GOING TO BE, BUT I
LISTENED TO THE RHETORIC THAT
THE PRIME MINISTER USED AND AS
SHAKIR SAID, VERY MUCH SAYING
THIS IS WHAT THE LIBERALS WILL
STAND FOR AND WE HAVE GIVEN YOU
SIGNALS BUT WE'LL GIVE YOU
DETAILS AND YOU'LL HAVE A CHOICE
BETWEEN THAT AND THE WAY IN
WHICH THE PRIME MINISTER AND THE
LIBERALS CHARACTERIZED THE
CONSERVATIVES WHICH IS
RESTRAINT, RIGHT?
THAT IS TYPICAL, THAT HAPPENED
IN THE LAST ELECTION, THAT
CHARACTERIZATION WAS LARGELY
SUCCESSFUL FOR THE LIBERALS BUT
IT TAKES ON A NEW MEANING DURING
A PANDEMIC, RIGHT?
WE'RE IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
CONTEXT RIGHT NOW WHEREIN IF
YOUR BUSINESS IS GOING UNDER OR
YOU NEED FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE
BECAUSE YOU HAVE LOST YOUR JOB
AND RESTRAINT IS THE MESSAGE
THAT YOU'RE RECEIVING, IT'S
GOING TO BE A MUCH TOUGHER SELL,
RIGHT?
SO THAT CHANGES THE CALCULATION
FOR THIS NEXT LEADER TOO.
IN WHAT KIND OF VISION HE OR SHE
WANTS TO PUT FORWARD.
IS IT ALL ABOUT FISCAL
RESPONSIBILITY OR DOES THAT IDEA
OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY REALLY
HAVE TO MORPH OR CHANGE BECAUSE
OF WHAT YOU'RE UP AGAINST, AND
THAT BEING THE PANDEMIC?
AND IT'S A DIFFERENT CALCULATION
THAN THIS LEADER WOULD HAVE HAD
TO MAKE A YEAR AGO OR TWO YEARS
AGO, AND IT WILL BE REALLY BE
INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THAT
IMPACTS WHAT THEY PUT FORWARD
AM.
>> Rosemary: I THINK THAT IT
WAS CHANTAL HEBERT AND WE'LL
HAVE "AT ISSUE" BACK SHORTLY,
LAST WEEK WHO SAID THAT AS THE
PRIME MINISTER POSITIONED THINGS
THAT WAY IT SORT OF THEN PULLED
THE PRESSURE OFF THE "WE"
CONTROVERSY, OBVIOUSLY, AND
TRIED TO REFRAME THE
CONVERSATION AROUND SOMETHING
ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.
WHICH IS WHAT THE GOVERNMENT
WANTS TO DO AS THEY MOVE TOWARDS
THAT THRONE SPEECH.
I'LL GET CATHERINE TO WEIGH IN
ON THAT TOO BEFORE WE BRING IN
OTHER GUESTS.
CATHERINE, DO YOU THINK THAT
WILL BE -- I MEAN, HOW
FUNDAMENTAL DO YOU THINK THAT
MESSAGE WILL HAVE TO BE FROM THE
LEADER IN THE EARLY DAYS AROUND
HOW THEY WILL POSITION
THEMSELVES IN THE WEEKS AHEAD,
GIVEN THAT WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE
GOING TO BE UP AGAINST IT PRETTY
QUICKLY?
>> Reporter: ROSEMARY, THE
ELECTION BEGINS THE MOMENT THAT
THEY TAKE THE STAGE TO MAKE A
VICTORY SPEECH.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S
NECESSARILY SPECIFICALLY LINKED
TO THIS PARTICULAR CONFIDENCE
VOTE BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU
THAT A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES
BELIEVE THAT THE N.D.P. IS
LIKELY GOING TO BE PUT IN A VERY
DIFFICULT POSITION.
I GUESS THAT THE CONVENTIONAL
THINKING AMONGST THE
CONSERVATIVES RIGHT NOW IS THAT
JUSTIN TRUDEAU WILL GO VERY FAR
LEFT AND THE N.D.P. WILL HAVE TO
PROP UP THE GOVERNMENT.
THAT SAID, THE NEW CONSERVATIVE
LEADER, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE
FIRST BIG MOMENT, BIG DECISION
FOR THEM.
A LOT OF IMPORTANT DECISIONS
BEFORE THAT.
BUT HOW CAN THEY POSSIBLY
SUPPORT THE GOVERNMENT?
AND YET YOU CAN SEE THAT JUSTIN
TRUDEAU, IN FACT, IS ALREADY
MAKING THE ARGUMENT THAT VASSY
WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, THAT WE
ALREADY HEAR HIM WEDGING.
HE WAS OUT ON FRIDAY AND SAYING
THAT SOME OF THE PARTIES THINK
THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE LESS.
AND SO IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO
SEE HOW THE CONSERVATIVES TRY
TO, I WOULD SAY REFRAME THE
DEBATE.
THAT'S NOT A QUESTION THAT THEY
WOULD WANT TO BE A BALLOT
QUESTION AT ALL, BUT WHAT YOU
HEAR FROM CONSERVATIVES IS NOT
TO MAKE IT JUST ABOUT THE
LIBERAL FAILURES BUT ABOUT THE
CONSERVATIVE VISION.
THERE'S TALK ABOUT HOW
TRANSFORMATIVE THIS IS
GLOBEALLY.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD THAT KIND OF
SORT OF EARTH-SHATTERING VISION
FROM THE CANDIDATES THUS FAR.
BUT CAMPS ARE VERY CLEAR ON THE
FACT THAT THE AUDIENCE CHANGES
AS OF TONIGHT.
IT WILL BE TIME FOR THE LEADER
TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES TO
CANADIANS AND IF THEY HAVE THAT
BIG PICTURE VISION THEY NEED TO
ARTICULATE IT IMMEDIATELY.
>> Rosemary: VERY GOOD POINTS,
AND I WILL COME BACK TO YOU AS
YOU CAN IMAGINE.
LET'S GO TO KORY TENEYCKE, AND
KORY, YOU ARE HEARING SOME
THINGS ABOUT THIS DELAY.
LISA RAITT SAYING THIS IT IS
PARTLY BECAUSE THE BALLOTS ARE
GETTING RIPPED AS THEY'RE GOING
THROUGH SOME OF THESE AUTOMATED
MACHINES SO THEN THEY HAVE TO
HAVE EVERYONE VERIFY IT IN THE
ROOM.
AND WE ARE TOLD THAT IT WILL BE
ABOUT -- THINGS WILL START AT
ABOUT 7:30 NOW.
WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM
PEOPLE?
>> I GUESS THAT I DON'T HAVE AN
EXACT TIME ON IT, BUT THE
CHALLENGE IS THESE RIPPED
BALLOTS HAVE TO BE RETAPED AND
IF THE MACHINE DOESN'T READ THEM
ACCURATELY THAN THE BALLOT HAS
TO BE RE-FILLED OUT BY
SCRUTINEERS AND GO THROUGH THE
MACHINE.
IT'S ONLY A FEW THOUSAND BALLOTS
BUT HOW LONG THAT TAKES IS
ANYBODY'S GUESS.
I THINK THAT WHAT IS MORE
INTERESTING IS SOME OF THE TALES
COMING OUT OF THE COUNT ROOM.
I GUESS THAT NO ONE WHO IS
SCRUTINEERING OR LOOKING AT
BALLOTS HAVE AN ACCURATE COUNT
BUT THEY HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT
KIND OF BALLOTS THEY'RE SEEING
AND WHO PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR.
AND I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME
REASONS FOR THE MacKAY
CAMPAIGN TO BE CONCERNED AND
THERE'S REASONS FOR THE LESLYN
LEWIS CAMPAIGN TO BE FEELING
LIKE THEY MIGHT HAVE A BETTER
NIGHT THAN THEY EXPECTED.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS A LITTLE
BIT CHALLENGING WHEN YOU ARE
LOOKING AT NUMBERS OF BALLOTS
AND JUST BECAUSE YOU SEE A LOT
OF THE BALLOTS -- I THINK THAT
MELISSA REFERENCED THIS
EARLIER -- FOR INSTANCE, I THINK
THAT IT'S JUST UNDER 25% OF THE
MEMBERSHIPS IN THE PARTY RIGHT
NOW COME FROM ALBERTA.
WELL, ALBERTA IS ABOUT 9% OF THE
POINTS ALLOTTED DURING THIS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE A LITTLE
BIT MISLEADING, BUT, YOU KNOW,
THE TALE IS BEING TOLD COMING
OUT OF THE COUNT ROOM IS THAT
LESLYN LEWIS IS HAVING A VERY
GOOD NIGHT SO FAR.
AND I GUESS THAT WE WILL SEE
WHETHER THOSE LITTLE BIRDS ARE
SAYING THE RIGHT THINGS OR NOT.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, AND, I
MEAN, THERE ARE ALSO CAMPS THAT
WERE SENDING IN CLUMPS OF
BALLOTS AT ONCE TO MAKE IT
EASIER FOR MEMBERS.
SO YOU MAY JUST BE LOOKING AT A
BIG MASS OF VOTES THAT ARE, YOU
KNOW, SENT IN BY ONE CAMP.
AS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, IF
THE POINTS ARE SPREAD ACROSS THE
COUNTRY TO MAKE THINGS AS
BALANCED AS POSSIBLE, IT'S
HARD -- IT'S HARD TO KNOW
WHAT -- I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO
SEE A BALLOT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE IN THAT
COUNT ROOM BUT IT'S HARD TO KNOW
WHAT IT WOULD TELL YOU EXACTLY.
>> LOOK, YOU KNOW, A FINE NUMBER
OF BALLOTS FROM A RIDING IN
QUÉBEC ARE WORTH MORE THAN A
SUITCASE OF BALLOTS FROM A PLACE
IN WESTERN CANADA.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE
NIGHT, SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE
VERY HAPPY AND SOMEONE IS GOING
TO BE CRYING IN THEIR PILLOW AND
THAT'S HOW THESE THINGS ALWAYS
END IN LEADERSHIP RACES.
[laughter]
>> Rosemary: NOW I'M JUST SAD
FOR PEOPLE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT,
THERE'S ONLY ONE WINNER AND
THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT WORKS ON
THE PLAYGROUND TOO.
KORY, THANK YOU FOR THAT AND I
WILL HOPE THAT THE BIRDS KEEP
TELLING YOU THINGS AS THEY FIND
THEM OUT.
THAT IS KORY TENEYCKE.
ALL RIGHT, WHERE WILL WE GO
NEXT?
I THINK THAT ÉRIC GRENIER IS
STANDING BY?
NO?
OUR CAMERAS HAD A CHANCE TO
CATCH UP WITH THE OUTGOING
CONSERVATIVE LEADER ANDREW
SCHEER AND HE WILL HAVE A
TRIBUTE TONIGHT AND HE'LL HAVE
AN OPPORTUNITY AS WELL TO GIVE A
SPEECH TO MEMBERS IN THAT ROOM
IN DOWNTOWN OTTAWA ONCE
PROCEEDINGS GET UNDERWAY AND THE
WHOLE PROGRAMME IS NOW DELAYED
TO 7:30 EASTERN, SO ANOTHER HOUR
OF ME TALKING AND TELLING WHAT
YOU TO WATCH FOR.
BUT ANDREW SCHEER TOOK A COUPLE
OF MINUTES ON HIS WAY IN TO
ANSWER A FEW QUESTIONS FROM
REPORTERS AND IT HAPPENED A
SHORT WHILE AGO.
HAVE A LISTEN --
>> VERY STRONG STATE.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT HOW I
INHERITED THE PARTY WE HAD ABOUT
99 SEATS AND RECEIVED ABOUT 31%,
AND NOW WE HAVE WON THE POPULAR
VOTE.
NOTHING IS GUARANTEED BUT THE
PARTY IS IN GREAT SHAPE AND I
LOOK FORWARD TO DOING EVERYTHING
THAT I CAN TO SUPPORT THE NEXT
LEADER TO BECOME THE NEXT PRIME
MINISTER.
>> Reporter: THIS CAMPAIGN,
WHAT IS THE NEW LEADER
[indiscernible]
>> THE NEXT LEADER HAS TO REACH
THAT NEXT TIER OF CANADIAN
VOTERS THAT WE KNOW THAT ARE OUT
THERE THAT ARE OPEN TO VOTE FOR
US.
WE NEEDS TO FIND A WAY TO
CONNECT.
THERE'S A TEMPTATION AROUND THE
WORLD TO PUT MORE AND MORE FAITH
INTO GOVERNMENT AND TO INVITE
THE GOVERNMENT TO GET BIGGER AND
BIGGER.
AND CONSERVATIVES KNOW THAT IS A
RECIPE FOR DISASTER WITH FREE
MARKETS AND INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY
THAT CREATES PROSPERITY FOR
EVERYONE.
SO THE NEXT LEADER WILL HAVE
THAT CHALLENGE OF BRINGING THAT
MESSAGE FORWARD TO THE NEXT
GENERATION OF CANADIAN VOTERS.
>> Question: [Speaking
French]
>> Answer: [Speaking
French]
[Speaking French]
>> Question: [Speaking
French]
I BELIEVE IN THIS PARTY AND THIS
MOVEMENT AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE
TO BE THERE WHEN WE WIN THE NEXT
ELECTION AS PART OF THAT TEAM SO
I WILL RUN IN THE NEXT ELECTION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, THAT'S
ANDREW SCHEER MAKING HIS WAY
INTO I BELIEVE THE SHAW CENTRE
WHERE THE EVENTS ARE GOING TO
GET UNDERWAY EVENTUALLY.
TO POINT OUT THAT MR. SCHEER,
WHO IS 41 YEARS OLD, AND I
MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE HE'S THE
YOUNGEST OF THE PARTY LEADERS,
HAS ACTUALLY WON HIS RIDING, I
THINK THAT IT'S BELIEVED SIX
TIMES I I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
HE STARTED AS A POLITICIAN AT
AGE 25.
HE HAS WON SIX TIMES SINCE THEN.
SO PERHAPS NOT SURPRISING THAT
HE WOULD WANT TO STAY AND RUN
AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH HE WILL NO
LONGER, OBVIOUSLY, BE THE
LEADER.
HE WILL BE USED IN THE
CONSERVATIVE CAUCUS UNDER
WHOEVER THE NEXT LEADER IS AND
HE'S MADE THE DECISION TO
CONTINUE TO REPRESENT HIS
RIDING.
AND IF YOU'RE JUST TUNING IN I'M
ROSEMARY BARTON ON CBC
TELEVISION AND CBC NEWS NETWORK
AND ACROSS ALL OF OUR PLATFORMS
ON A BIG NIGHT FOR THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA AND
FOR CONSERVATIVES ACROSS THIS
COUNTRY.
AND EVEN CANADIANS WHO ARE JUST
LOOKING TO SEE WHERE THEIR VOTES
MIGHT LAND IN AN ELECTION THAT
COULD COME SOONER RATHER THAN
LATER.
THOUGH THE RESULTS FOR THIS
LEADERSHIP CONVENTION, WHILE
THERE WERE A LOT OF BALLOTS THAT
WERE MAILED IN, IT IS NOW
POTENTIALLY CAUSING THE PARTY A
LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM GIVEN
THAT THERE HAS BEEN A DELAY NOW
WE ARE TOLD OF 90 MINUTES TOTAL
ON THE FIRST ROUND BALLOT
RESULTS.
SO WE WILL START TO GET THOSE
FIRST ROUND BALLOT RESULTS AT
8:00 p.m. EASTERN.
THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN AT
6:30 EASTERN.
BUT AS WE HEARD FROM LISA RAITT,
ONE OF THE CHAIRS OF THIS
LEADERSHIP COMMITTEE, THERE HAVE
BEEN SOME PROBLEMS.
SO I'LL BRING IN POLL ANALYST
ÉRIC GRENIER BECAUSE HE WAS
TWEETING ON TWITTER HOW MANY
TIME WE HAVE BEEN IN THIS
POSITION BEFORE.
I HAVE MENTIONED N.D.P. IN 2012,
BUT THERE'S OTHER EXAMPLES TOO,
ERIC, OF THE TIME WHEN THE
LEADERSHIP CONVENTIONS GET BOG
DOWN, SOMETIMES BECAUSE THE
SUPPORT IS MOVING AROUND THE
ROOM.
IN THIS CASE IT'S A TECHNICAL
PROCESSING ISSUE.
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT THE MOST
RECENT ONE THAT WE WERE ON AIR
FOR I THINK SOMETHING LIKE EIGHT
HOURS WAS THE ONTARIO P.C.
LEADERSHIP RACE.
IT TOOK ALL DAYS TO GET THE
RESULTS FOR DOUG FORD'S VICTORY
IN THAT ONE.
BUT, YEAH, IF WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT A DELEGATED CONVENTION, IT
CAN TAKE A LONG TIME BECAUSE YOU
NEED TO GET THE VOTES ON THE
GROUND AND GET PEOPLE OVER TO
YOUR SIDE.
THIS IS ONE WHERE IT SHOULD ALL
BE AUTOMATED AND WE ASSUME THE
THESE THINGS BEFORE, YOU KNOW,
WHERE A PLAN FOR AN ELECTION
RESULT TO GO SMOOTHLY END UP
GETTING DELAYED BECAUSE OF AN
ISSUE WITH COUNTING.
THAT HAPPENED IN NEW BRUNSWICK
PROVINCIAL ELECTION RECENTLY
WHEN THEY HAD THESE AUTOMATED
SYSTEMS IN PLACE.
ONCE IN A WHILE, YOU KNOW,
THERE'S A GOOD REASON TO HAVE
THE OLD-FASHIONED WAY OF
COUNTING.
[laughter]
>> Rosemary: THAT'S RIGHT,
THERE IS, PEOPLE ACTUALLY DOING
IT.
SO -- AND YOU HEARD KORY
TENEYCKE THERE, AND I DON'T KNOW
HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE FROM THIS,
BUT HE WASN'T GIVING IT ALL THE
WEIGHT IN THE WORLD EITHER, BUT
SAYING THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE
SAYING THAT THERE'S MORE BALLOTS
FOR LESLYN LEWIS, AND IT DOESN'T
LOOK GOOD.
THE BALLOT WOULDN'T TELL US A
REAL STORY, EVEN IF YOU SAW 50
OF THEM, IT GIVES YOU A PICTURE.
AND MAYBE WALK PEOPLE THROUGH
WHY THAT WOULD BE.
>> YEAH, IT'S BECAUSE EACH
RIDING IS WEIGHTED EQUALLY,
REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY MEMBERS
THERE ARE.
AND AFTER 2017, THERE WAS A FEW
RIDINGS WHERE THE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE WHO VOTED WERE LITERALLY
IN THE DOZENS.
TALKING ABOUT A RIDING, FOR
EXAMPLE, IN THE NORTH OR EASTERN
QUÉBEC, AND THERE'S JUST NOT A
LOT OF MEMBERS.
SO EACH INDIVIDUAL VOTE CARRIES
A LOT OF WEIGHT.
WHEREAS IN PLACES LIKE ALBERTA
AND SASKATCHEWAN, FOR EXAMPLE,
SOME OF THE RIDINGS WILL HAVE
OVER A THOUSAND PEOPLE VOTING.
SO IF YOU SEE A LOT OF BALLOTS
COMING IN FROM PLACES IN
CALGARY, OR RULE ALBERTA WHERE
THERE'S A LOT OF MEMBERS AND WE
KNOW THAT IS A PLACE WHERE
LESLYN LEWIS HAS DONE
PARTICULARLY WELL.
SHE BEAT THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN
RAISING MONEY IN SASKATCHEWAN.
IF SHE'S GETTING VOTES FROM
PROVINCES LIKE THAT, SHE COULD
HAVE A LOT OF VOTES BUT IT'S
WHETHER SHE'LL GET A LOT OF
POINTS BECAUSE LESLYN LEWIS AND
DEREK SLOAN AS WELL, HAD VERY
LOW FUNDRAISING IN QUÉBEC AND
ATLANTIC CANADA.
WHICH SUGGESTED TO GET VERY LOW
SUPPORT AS WELL.
>> Rosemary: RIGHT.
SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT GETTING A
LOT OF SUPPORT IN SASKATCHEWAN,
IT'S ABOUT GETTING BROAD-BASED
SUPPORT ACROSS THE COUNTRY?
>> YEAH, AND THAT IS WHAT PETER
MacKAY HAD FOUGHT FOR WHEN THE
PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVES AND
THE CANADIAN ALLIANCE MERGED IN
2003.
AND THE LIBERALS ALSO USE IN
THAT RACE WON BY JUSTIN TRUDEAU.
AND HE WON WITH ABOUT 80% OF THE
VOTE ANYWAY, SO IT DIDN'T
MATTER.
BUT IT COULD BE KEY.
BY THE END OF THIS, IF THE
CONSERVATIVES GIVE US THE TOTAL
NUMBERS, THEY DON'T ALWAYS DO
THAT, BUT IF WE FIND OUT THAT
THE POPULAR VOTE AND THE WINNER
OF THE ACTUAL LEADERSHIP RACE IS
DIFFERENT -- DOUG FORD, FOR
EXAMPLE, HE TOOK LESS OF THE
VOTE THAN CHRISTINE ELLIOTT IN
THAT P.C. LEADERSHIP RACE IN
2018, BUT HE BECAME THE WINNER
BECAUSE HE HAD SUPPORT ACROSS
MORE DIFFERENT RIDINGS THAN
CHRISTINE ELLIOTT DID.
>> Rosemary: JUST ONE LAST
QUESTION ON MOMENTUM.
I WILL SAY THAT THE PARTY SAYS
THEY HAVE SEEN THE LARGEST
PERCENTAGE OF GROWTH, I BELIEVE
THIS IS FROM YOUR ARTICLE SO
BEAR WITH ME -- IN QUEÉBEC AND
NOVA SCOTIA AND NEWFOUNDLAND AND
LABRADOR AND ALBERTA.
THAT'S PROBABLY NOT SURPRISING.
BUT IN TERMS OF MOMENTUM, IS IT
FAIR TO SAY THAT PETER MacKAY
HAS THE MOST MOMENTUM JUST BY
VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT THERE'S
SOME INDICATORS OF THAT, THE
NUMBER INDICATORS OF THAT?
>> WELL, IN THE FUNDRAISING,
CERTAINLY.
HE HAD RAISED JUST A LITTLE BIT
MORE THAN ERIN O'TOOLE RUNNING
TO THE END OF JUNE, BUT SINCE
THE END OF JUNE HE RAISED QUITE
A BIT MORE THAN ERIN O'TOOLE.
AND PETER MacKAY RAISED
$3.1 MILLION AND ERIN O'TOOLE
ABOUT $2.5 MILLION.
BUT PETER MacKAY RAISED ALMOST
AS MUCH AS ERIN O'TOOLE DID IN
THE LATER STAGES OF THE RACE.
SO IT DOES HAVE AN INDICATION
THAT HE MIGHT HAVE HAD LATE
MOMENTUM.
AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND
SEE WHAT THE RESULTS WILL BE.
AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF
PEOPLE -- EVERYBODY THAT WE'VE
HEARD FROM -- NO ONE IS WILLING
TO PUT A FIRM PREDICTION ON
THIS, WHICH IS A GOOD INDICATION
OF JUST HOW UNPREDICTABLE IT'S
GOING TO BE.
>> Rosemary: YES, AND YOU AND
I WOULDN'T DO THAT EITHER, SO
WE'LL STAY TUNED.
THANK YOU, ERIC.
AND I'LL CALL AGAIN SO STAY BY
YOUR PHONE, I APPRECIATE IT.
OR BY YOUR MONITOR, RATHER.
THAT'S ÉRIC GRENIER.
LET'S BRING BACK IN "AT ISSUE"
AND WE'LL GIVE LONGER IN THIS
ROUND THAT WE HAVE MORE TIME.
AND ANDREW COYNE AND ALTHIA RAJ
AND CHANTAL HEBERT AND THEY'LL
BE HERE, AFTER IT WRAPS UP.
AND CHANTAL, I'LL START WITH
YOU.
SO FIRST WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE
DELAY.
TO ME IT'S ALMOST TYPICAL IN A
LEADERSHIP CONVENTION THAT
THERE'S SOME BUG-A-BOO AND IN
THIS CASE IT SEEMS TO BE
TECHNOLOGY BASED?
>> AND NEVER GOOD NEWS EVEN IF
IT DOES KEEP THE SHOW ON AIR
LONGER.
[laughter]
THERE COMES A POINT THAT PEOPLE
DECIDE THAT THEY'LL FIND OUT IN
THE MORNING.
[laughter]
SO I COVERED ONE LEADERSHIP
CONVENTION AFTER BILL DAVIS LEFT
AS PREMIER IN ONTARIO, WHERE THE
TWO OF THE CANDIDATES ENDED UP
WITH THE SAME NUMBER OF BALLOTS.
SO THEY HAD TO RECOUNT EVERY
SINGLE BALLOT TO FIGURE IT OUT.
YEAH, WE TALKED FOR A LONG, LONG
TIME.
SO, YES, IT'S KIND OF PAR FOR
THE COURSE THAT YOU GET THE
UNFORTUNATE IF YOU'RE A
COMMENTATOR LIKE US TO SAY A LOT
OF STUPID THINGS.
>> Rosemary: SOIREE LOT OF
SMART THINGS.
ANYTHING THAT CROSSES YOUR MIND.
>> IT'S TYPICAL, YES.
[laughter]
>> Rosemary: MAYBE I'LL JUST
ASK YOU ALL TO SAY SOMETHING
ABOUT ANDREW SCHEER HERE BEFORE
WE MOVE LOOKING FORWARD AS WELL.
BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THINGS ARE
GOING TO KICK OFF FOR THE
EVENING WITH THE TRIBUTE TO
ANDREW SCHEER IN A SPEECH FROM
ANDREW SCHEER.
WE HEARD FROM HIM IN THAT SCRUM
AND WE KNEW THIS, THAT HE
INTENDS TO RUN AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, HE DOES LIKE TO MAKE
THE POINT THAT HE GREW THE
NUMBER OF SEATS AND HE GREW THE
POPULAR VOTE.
SO WHAT IN THE END OF HIS
UNDOING, CHANTAL?
AND I'LL GET EVERYONE TO WEIGH
IN.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT ANDREW
SCHEER WAS READY FOR THE JOB OF
LEADER.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT BECAUSE
OF HIS SHORTCOMINGS, ALTHOUGH
THERE ARE SOME, BUT BECAUSE HE'S
BEEN SPEAKER IN THE HOUSE OF
COMMONS AND NO EXPERIENCE IN
GOVERNMENT OR CABINET TO THE
JOB.
AT FIRST HE WAS WARY OF DOING
SCRUMS WITH JOURNALISTS BECAUSE
HE'D NEVER DONE THEM.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT HE
WON WAS THE FACT THAT SOME
GROUPS WITHIN GROUPS, RATHER
THAN THE PARTY EMBRACING HIM,
STRATEGICALLY DECIDED TO BACK
HIM.
AMONG THOSE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT
QUÉBEC DAIRY FARMERS, BUT IT
GOES BEYOND THAT.
HIS QUEÉBEC COLLEAGUES, MOST OF
THEM, DID NOT SUPPORT HIM AND
WANTED -- SUPPORTED HIM BECAUSE
THEY WANTED THE BLOC AND MAXIME
BERNIER.
AND THE SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES
FOUND ONE OF THEIR OWN IN HIS
CANDIDACY, BUT ALL OF THAT DOES
NOT -- HAVE A COALITION TO GO TO
VOTERS MAKE.
IT MAKES A LEADER BEHOLDEN TO
COALITIONS OR TO GROUPS THAT
WILL POSSIBLY TURN OFF AND THAT
WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM.
>> Rosemary: I REMEMBER
TALKING TO SOMEONE AFTER THE
ELECTION WHO SAID TO ME THAT THE
THING THAT STEPHEN HARPER WAS SO
GOOD AT WAS MANAGING TO PROMISE
JUST ENOUGH TO ALL OF THOSE
SPECIFIC PARTS INSIDE OF THE
CONSERVATIVE COALITION WITHOUT
OVERPROMISING AND BEING AS YOU
POINTED OUT THERE, CHANTAL,
BEHOLDEN TO ONE PARTICULAR
GROUP.
THAT'S HOW YOU MAKE THE
COALITION BROADER BY MAKING SURE
THAT EVERYBODY IS OKAY WITH YOUR
STANCE.
ALTHIA, I MEAN, THAT MAY BE
TRUE, BUT HE ALSO -- MR. SCHEER
ALSO MADE MISTAKES IN TERMS OF
HOW HONEST HE WAS ABOUT A
VARIETY OF THINGS.
AND THAT ANGERED A LOT OF
CONSERVATIVES AS WELL.
>> I'M NOT SURE THAT THE HONESTY
ISSUE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHETHER OR
NOT HAS ACADEMIC AND
PROFESSIONAL CREDENTIALS WERE
RIGHT, AND WHETHER OR NOT HE HAD
AN AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP OR
NOT -- I THINK THAT THOSE WERE
KIND OF SIDE ISSUES.
I THINK THAT AT THE CORE OF IT
HE HAD NO REAL MESSAGE BEYOND
MORE OF HARPER.
IN FACT, MOST CONSERVATIVES DID
NOT THINK THAT ANDREW SCHEER WAS
GOING TO WIN THE LAST ELECTION
OR EVEN BE THAT COMPETITIVE.
THEY'D GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO
TELL LIBERALS THEY THOUGHT THAT
ANDREW SCHEER WAS GOING TO LOSE.
WHAT IS RATHER SHOCKING IS
THAT -- THE ONE THING THAT THE
TORIES AROUND HERE HAD TO KNOW
WOULD BE AN ISSUE AROUND THE
CAMPAIGN WAS THE ABORTION ISSUE
AND THE GAY MARRIAGE ISSUE AND
HE NEVER HAD AN ANSWER TO THAT
QUESTION.
HE SEEMED COMPLETELY CAUGHT
OFFGUARD BY IT IN AUGUST BEFORE
THE CAMPAIGN ACTUALLY BEGAN.
WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM HIM FOR A
WEEK UNTIL HE CAME OUT AND
ADDRESSED THIS.
AND EVEN THEN HE DIDN'T SEEM TO
HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT
QUESTION.
HE DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR
THAT QUESTION IN THE FRENCH
DEBATE WHICH I THINK THAT REALLY
HURT HIM.
SO I THINK THAT THERE'S A NUMBER
OF THESE THINGS THAT JUST ON A
COMMUNICATIONS STANDPOINT HE
DIDN'T HAVE THAT MUCH TO TALK
ABOUT.
AND ON THE ISSUES THAT HE HAD TO
PLAY DEFENSIVE ON, HE STUNK AT
IT, FRANKLY.
AND THEN THE PARTY DECIDED THAT
IT WASN'T GOING TO WAIT FOR
CONVENTION AND THEY'D STAB HIM
IN THE BACK.
I THINK THAT THE TONE FROM
MR. SCHEER THAT WE SAW IN THAT
INTERVIEW WAS KIND OF ALMOST
LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE MY
BEST AND YOU DIDN'T WANT ME.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, YEAH, I
THINK THAT AS WELL THERE WAS A
POINT -- AND I THINK THAT I WAS
MORE REFERRING TO THE ISSUE
AROUND THE KIDS' TUITION BEING
PAID BY THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY
FUND.
WHICH IS A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES
WERE NOT AWARE OF --
>> THAT WAS THE PART OF THE
STABBING HIM IN THE BACK.
AND AFTER THE ELECTION
CAMPAIGN -- STRATEGICALLY TO
HURT ANDREW SCHEER.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, AND IT DID
SEEM AT THAT POINT, YEAH, I
AGREE WITH YOU THAT HE WAS SORT
OF, OKAY, I JUST DON'T WANT TO
DO THIS ANYMORE.
I HAVE A FAMILY AND I JUST DON'T
WANT TO BE DRAGGED INTO THIS.
I THINK THAT HE SAID THAT AT ONE
POINT, ANDREW.
I DON'T MEAN TO TALK ABOUT A
LEADER LEAVING HIS JOB BUT IT'S
IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT IT IN
ORDER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
NEXT LEADER SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT
DO.
ANDREW, I'LL GET YOU TO WEIGH IN
ON ANDREW SCHEER'S LEGACY IF
THERE IS ONE.
>> IT'S PRECIOUS LITTLE.
HE WAS AS MUCH A CONSEQUENCE AS
A CAUSE OF DEEPER PROBLEMS IN
THE PARTY.
HE'S THE KIND OF LEADER THAT THE
PARTIES ELECT WHEN THEY'RE NOT
SURE WHAT THEY THEMSELVES THINK
THEY WANT TO DO WHEN THEY'RE
DRIVEN BY FACTUALISM AND YOU GET
A PROCESS LIKE THE LAST
ELECTION, AND THE LEADERSHIP
CAMPAIGN, THAT TENDS TO PRODUCE
THESE KIND OF LEADERSHIP
CANDIDATES.
I THINK THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO
LOOK AT THIS.
I MEAN, THEY ARE BOASTING THEY
HAVE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF NEW
PARTIES AND THE PARTIES DRINK
FROM THIS POISON GLASS TO USE IT
FOR MEMBERSHIP DRIVES AND TO
THOSE WHO ARE BROUGHT IN TO TAKE
THE PARTY OVER, TO MOVE IT IN
ONE DIRECTION OR ANOTHER.
SO HE DIDN'T HAVE PARTICULAR
PERSONAL STRENGTHS ITSELF, HE
WASN'T A VERY GOOD COMMUNICATOR.
HE DIDN'T GIVE THE WRONG ANSWER
ON SOME OF THE SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVE ANSWER, HE DIDN'T
GIVE AN ANSWER AT ALL AND MADE
THINGS MUCH WORSE.
ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT
THINGS IN LESLYN LEWIS' CAMPAIGN
IS HER LINE OF NO HIDDEN
AGENDAS.
SAY WHAT YOU BELIEVE AND YOU
HOPE LEVEL HAVE A MESSAGE THAT
IS HALF-WAY REASSURING TO PEOPLE
BUT DON'T HIDE AND SO PEOPLE CAN
IMAGINE THE VERY WORST OF WHAT
IT IS THAT YOU BELIEVE.
HOPEFULLY THE PARTY ITSELF WILL
LEARN THAT LESSON AND, YES, HE
HAD THE MOST UNFORGIVABLE SIN,
LOSING THE ELECTION THAT WAS
WINNABLE AND PARTIES ARE RARELY
FORGIVING ABOUT THAT.
>> Rosemary: THAT HIDDEN
AGENDA CARD, WHICH I COMPLETELY
AGREE.
I THINK THAT LESLYN LEWIS
APPROACHED THAT IN THE RIGHT
WAY.
IT IS BASICALLY GIVING A WHOLE
PILE OF AMMUNITION TO THE
LIBERALS TOO EVERY TIME YOU
DANCE AROUND AN ISSUE, INSTEAD
OF JUST BEING HONEST ABOUT IT.
SO WHAT IS THE LESSON THEN THAT
ANDREW SCHEER LEAVES FOR THE
NEXT LEADER, DO YOU THINK,
CHANTAL, IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY
SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE DOING IF
THEY MOVE INTO AN ELECTION OR
HOW THEY UNIFY THE PARTY OR WHAT
HAVE YOU?
>> I THINK THAT THE FIRST LESSON
IS THAT MR. SCHEER WAS ELECTED
BECAUSE HE WASN'T MAXIME
BERNIER.
AND THEN HE WENT INTO AN
ELECTION BELIEVING THAT HE WOULD
WIN IT BECAUSE HE WAS NOT JUSTIN
TRUDEAU.
I THINK THAT THE MAIN LESSON IS
THAT CONSERVATIVE STRATEGISTS,
INCLUDING THOSE IN THE BUBBLE,
NEED TO LOOK AT THE VOTERS THAT
THEY NEED TO WIN OVER AND
UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DO NOT SEE
JUSTIN TRUDEAU, TO NOT
UNDERESTIMATE HIM THE WAY THAT
THE CONSERVATIVES HAVE.
FROM STEPHEN HARPER TO ANDREW
SCHEER, TO TODAY.
AND I THINK THAT IS THE MAIN
LESSON.
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO BE A
SERIOUS CONTENDER, YOU CAN'T
JUST SAY THIS GUY IS NO GOOD, SO
YOU'LL WANT ME.
YOU HAVE TO BE SOMEONE THAT
PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT TO VOTE
FOR.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, AND PUT
SOMETHING ON THE TABLE THAT YOU
CAN PRESENT.
>> IT OFFERS A CHOICE.
>> Rosemary: EXACTLY.
YEAH, IT'S NOT AS THOUGH THERE
ARE NOT WEAKNESSES INSIDE OF THE
LIBERAL PARTY AND WITH THE PRIME
MINISTER, ALTHIA.
SO DID YOU AGREE THAT IT'S NOT
ONLY ABOUT OFFERING A CHOICE BUT
ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU
KNOW, TRYING TO PUSH A CAMPAIGN
BASED ON, YOU KNOW, DISLIKE OF
THE LIBERAL PARTY PROBABLY ISN'T
ENOUGH?
>> I THINK THAT RARELY DO NEW
GOVERNMENTS GET ELECTED AND
OTHER GOVERNMENTS GET DEFEATED.
I THINK THAT WAS THE MAYBE MAIN
CHALLENGE FACING ANDREW SCHEER
IN THE LAST CAMPAIGN.
MR. TRUDEAU ONLY HAD FOUR YEARS.
IS THE TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT
REACHING AN EXPIRY DATE?
I DON'T KNOW.
BUT IT IS CLEAR THAT THE
LIBERALS BY MOVING SO FAR TO THE
LEFT HAVE REALLY OPENED UP AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR THE
CONSERVATIVES TO REACH OUT TO
THOSE VOTERS THAT THEY SAY THEY
WANT TO REACH OUT TO, TO MOMS IN
SUBURBIA AND EVEN URBAN VOTERS.
SO THERE IS NOT JUST -- I THINK
THAT TO CHANTAL'S POINT AND I
AGREE WITH IT -- THAT THERE'S A
DEEP HATRED OF JUSTIN TRUDEAU
WITHIN THE CONSERVATIVE CIRCLES
THAT IS NOT SHARED WITH THE
AVERAGE JOE ON THE STREET.
THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU MOUNT AN
ARGUMENT WHY TRUDEAU IS BAD, AS
OPPOSED TO JUST SAYING THAT HE'S
BAD, THAT WILL REACH MORE
PEOPLE, THAT WILL CONNECT WITH
MORE PEOPLE.
I THINK THAT -- IF MR. MacKAY
WINS TONIGHT HE HAS THE LEAST
AMOUNT OF CAUCUS WORK AHEAD OF
HIM.
IF MISS LEWIS WINS, DR. LEWIS
WINS, THE CAUCUS DOESN'T KNOW
WHO SHE IS SO SHE'D BE THE LEAST
ELECTION READY CANDIDATE THAT
YOU HAVE.
AND MR. MacKAY, BECAUSE HE'S
BEEN A CABINET MINISTER FOR
ALMOST A DECADE, HE HAS LESS TO
MAKE UP.
AND ERIN O'TOOLE WOULD HAVE TO
NURSE A FEW BRUISED EGOS AND IT
WOULDN'T BE THE END OF THE
WORLD, FOR THE CAUCUS, IN TERMS
OF TRYING TO ENSURE THAT THE
CONSERVATIVES ARE READY TO GO IN
AN ELECTION CAMPAIGN IF THAT IS
WHAT THE LIBERALS ARE HEADING TO
WHEN THE HOUSE RESUMES IN
SEPTEMBER.
>> Rosemary: ANDREW, YOUR
THOUGHTS ON WHAT THE NEXT LEADER
COULD LEARN FROM THE LAST ONE?
>> THAT YOU CAN'T JUST PREACH TO
THE CONVERTED.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ENOUGH.
YOU CAN WIN 80% MAJORITIES IN
ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN, IT'S
NOT ENOUGH TO WIN GOVERNMENT.
YOU'VE GOT TO START CONVERTING
THE CONSERVATIVE LIBERAL
SWITCHERS.
YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES
ON THOSE VOTERS' MINDS WHETHER
IT'S CLIMATE CHANGE OR
INEQUALITY OR RACIAL ISSUES,
ETC., ETC.
AND YOU HAVE TO DO SO IF YOU
WANT TO HAVE A POINT TO YOUR
EXISTENCE FROM A CONSERVATIVE
STANDPOINT.
SO START BRINGING THE
CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES AND THE
SMALL GOVERNMENT AND FREE
MARKETS, WHAT HAVE YOU, TO THE
QUESTIONS THAT ARE TOP OF MIND
FOR THE VOTERS THAT YOU ARE NOT
REACHING NOW.
WHICH IS NOT WHAT YOU SAW IN THE
LAST ELECTION.
YOU SAW WARMED OVER HARPERRISM
THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS JUST ENOUGH
FOR HARPER TO SQUEEZE OUT
VICTORIES.
HE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE
BETTER THAN HE DID, FRANKLY, BUT
IT WASN'T ENOUGH FOR A LESS
IMPRESSIVE CANDIDATE LIKE ANDREW
SCHEER.
SO THAT'S THE LONG AND SHORT OF
IT, TRY TO START ADDRESSING
VOTERS THAT YOU NEED TO REACH.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BECOME THE
LIBERAL PARTY BUT YOU HAVE TO
FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEAT THEM.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, I'LL LEAVE
IT THERE FOR NOW BUT I'LL BE
BACK BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF
TIME AND YOU HAVE THINGS TO SAY,
DESPITE WHAT CHANTAL IS WORRIED
ABOUT THERE.
AND CHANTAL AND ANDREW AND
ALTHIA, I APPRECIATE IT.
LET'S BRING BACK OUR POWERHOUSE
TEAM HERE IN THE BUREAU, "POWER
& POLITICS" HOST VASSY KAPELOS
AND HANNAH THIBEDEAU AND
CATHERINE CULLEN FLGHT I'LL
I'LL START WITH HANNAH BECAUSE
SHE HAS A GUEST, AND THEY ARE
HANGING OUT NOW.
OVER TO YOU.
>> Hannah: YOU CAN SEE THAT
WE'RE JUST CHATTING HERE JUST
BEFORE WE WENT ON AIR, SORRY
ABOUT THAT, I'M JOINED BY THE
CAMPAIGN MANAGER FOR THE PETER
MacKAY TEAM, ALEX MEDDLE.
SO, ALEX, LET'S JUST TALK A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS DELAY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE FACT
THAT THERE'S THIS DELAY AND WHAT
TO DO WITH YOUR TEAM?
>> THESE EVENTS, THERE'S A LOT
THAT GOES INTO THEM AND THERE'S
A RECORD NUMBER OF BALLOTS AND
I'M SURE THAT THE PARTY IS DOING
THEIR BEST TO GET THROUGH THE
PROCESS.
AS WE LOOK THROUGH THE NIGHT
THERE WILL PROBABLY BE MORE
DELAYS, BUT IF THE VIEWERS AT
HOME COULD JUST STAY WITH US,
BECAUSE WE WILL GET THERE AND WE
WILL LEBLGHT A LEADER WHO WILL
BE THE NEXT PRIME MINISTER OF
CANADA.
>> Hannah: LET'S TALK ABOUT
THAT FIRST BALLOT RESULT AND WE
EXPECT IT AROUND 8:00 p.m.
EASTERN.
I HAVE TO ASK YOU WHAT DO YOU
HOPE TO SEE ON THAT FOR PETER
MacKAY?
>> LOOK, OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO
SEE PETER IN THE PULL POSITION
ON THAT FIRST BALLOT.
IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD OF
SOMETHING OF A FOUR.
AND THAT WOULD PROPEL US OVER
THE LINE.
BUT, LOOK, THIS HAS BEEN A VERY
STRONG LEADERSHIP RACE, IT'S
BEEN A BATTLE OF IDEAS, A BATTLE
OF OPPORTUNITIES, FOR THE
DIFFERENT CANDIDATES.
I THINK THAT EVERYONE HAS DONE
AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF GETTING
THEIR MESSAGE ACROSS TO THE
VOTERS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.
I THINK THAT ALL OF THE WORK
THAT WE HAVE DONE ON THE PETER
MacKAY CAMPAIGN AND PUTTING
FORTH OUR EIGHT-POINT JOB PLAN
AND WINNING THE VOTES AT THE
DOORS AND ON THE PHONE, IT'S
BEEN AN INCREDIBLE ORGINISATION
ACROSS COUNTRY.
I THINK THAT THEY'LL DELIVER IT
FOR PETER TONIGHT.
>> Hannah: TALK A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT THE LAST FEW DAYS.
WE KNOW THAT EVERYTHING IS OVER
AT 5:00 p.m. ON FRIDAY AND ALL
OF THE VOTES WERE CAST BUT YOU
HAD A BIG GET OUT THE VOTE TEAM.
TELL US WHAT THAT WAS LIKE.
>> WE HAD 3,300 VOLUNTEERS
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
I REMEMBER LAST SATURDAY I WAS
JUST SO ENERGIZED.
WE HAD 600 PEOPLE KNOCKING ON
DOORS AND PICKING UP BALLOTS TO
GET THEM IN.
AND THE THIS WEEK IN MONTREÉAL E
HAD OVER 50 PEOPLE GETTING
AROUND, KNOCKING ON DOORS IN
YORK REGION.
A HUNDRED PEOPLE DOWN IN
SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO, ALBERTA,
B.C., IT WAS ALL OVER CANADA.
WHEN YOU HAVE THAT TYPE OF GET
OUT THE VOTE EFFORT IT IMPROVES
YOUR NUMBERS BECAUSE YOU CAN
DELIVER THOSE BALLOTS STRAIGHT
TO DELOITTE AND ENSURE THAT
THEY'RE IN THE BALLOT BOX.
SO, OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S BEEN SOME
ISSUES WITH THE POSTAGE BECAUSE
OF COVID-19 AND ALL OF THOSE
THINGS, BUT WHEN YOU CAN HAND
DELIVER IT, IT CERTAINLY HELPS
TO BOOST YOUR VOTE UP A LITTLE
BIT.
>> Hannah: WHEN YOU'RE
THINKING ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING
OF THE CAMPAIGN THAT
MR. MacKAY TOOK A LOT OF HEAT
FOR HIS FRENCH LANGUAGE SKILLS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT QUÉBEC NOW, HOW
IMPORTANT IS QUEÉBEC?
THERE'S 78 RIDINGS THERE.
WHAT TYPE OF NUMBERS ARE YOU
LOOKING AT THERE AND HOW
IMPORTANT ARE THEY?
>> LOOK, QUÉBEC IS OBVIOUSLY AN
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT PART OF
THIS LEADERSHIP RACE.
AND WITH 78 RIDINGS AND THE
LOWER MEMBERSHIP, THERE'S A LOT
OF OPPORTUNITIES TO DRIVE UP
POINT TOTALS ON THE NATIONAL
STAGE.
WE CERTAINLY PUT OUR HEARTS AND
OUR MINDS AND OUR SOULS INTO
WINNING EVERY SINGLE VOTE
THROUGHOUT QUÉBEC AND, INDEED,
ATLANTIC CANADA AS WELL.
WE HAVE PUT A LOT OF FOCUS INTO
THE SMALLEST MEMBER RIDINGS IN
THE COUNTRY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE
THE VOTE TOTALS REALLY, REALLY
MATTER.
A BALLOT ONE AREA CAN BE FOUR
POINTS AND IN BARRY SPRING WATER
MAY ONLY BE .1% OF THE NATIONAL
POINTS.
SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT
ON THE CAMPAIGN THAT YOU'RE
FOCUSING AND FISHING WHERE THE
MOST EFFICIENT VOTE IS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR
THE LAST SEVEN MONTHS AND I
THINK THAT YOU WILL SEE THOSE
RESULTS TODAY.
>> Hannah: WHAT MAKES YOU THE
MOST NERVOUS TONIGHT?
>> THE THING THAT MAKES ME THE
MOST NERVOUS IS THAT YOU JUST
DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IN THE BOX.
THERE'S ALWAYS SURPRISES AND
THOSE SURPRISES VARIY IN DEGREE.
SO WE THANK WE'VE DONE AN
INCREDIBLE JOB OF PUTTING A
GREAT VISION OF CANADA FORWARD,
ONE TO TAKE PETER OVER THE TOP
AGAINST JUSTIN TRUDEAU IN THE
NEXT ELECTION.
BUT YOU SOMETIMES JUST DON'T
KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED AND
CERTAINLY IN THIS CASE WHERE
IT'S A VOTING PERIOD OF, YOU
KNOW, ABOUT SIX WEEKS, THAT CAN
REALLY INFLUENCE THINGS BECAUSE
WHAT'S HAPPENING SIX WEEKS AGO
AND WHAT IS HAPPENING THIS WEEK,
THERE'S CERTAINLY DIFFERENT
NARRATIVES THAT PLAY IN THAT
TIMED PERIOD.
IT'S NOT LIKE A GENERAL ELECTION
WHERE EVERYTHING IS COMING IN AT
ONE TIME OR ONE DAY OR JUST THE
WEEK BEFOREHAND.
>> Hannah: AND I CAN'T LET YOU
GO TO ASK YOU, IF HE COMES OUT
ON TOP TONIGHT, WHAT DO WE
EXPECT TO HEAR IN THE SPEECH?
>> I'M NOT GOING TO PREEMPT
PETER, OUR FUTURE LEADER, IN HIS
SPEECH THIS EVENING.
BUT I THINK THAT YOU'LL SEE A
CONTINUATION OF A POSITIVE
MESSAGE.
YOU'LL SEE A CONTINUATION OF A
PLAN, A JOBS PLAN FOR CANADA,
THAT WOULD PUT CANADIANS BACK TO
WORK AND DRIVE PROSPERITY ACROSS
THIS COUNTRY.
AND I THINK THAT YOU'LL SEE
SOMEBODY WHO IS GOING TO UNITE
THE PARTY AND UNITE THE COUNTRY
AND DEFEAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU IN THE
NEXT ELECTION.
>> Hannah: WHAT ABOUT LOOKING
FORWARD TO NEXT WEEK IF HE
BECOMES LEADER?
>> WELL, LET'S GET THROUGH
TONIGHT AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT
NEXT WEEK.
>> Hannah: THANK YOU, ALEX
NUTTALL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME
AND GOOD LUCK TONIGHT.
ROSIE, BACK TO YOU.
>> Rosemary: THANK YOU FOR
THAT, HANNAH.
AND EVERYONE IS NOTICING THAT
HANNAH IS FAR MORE THAN TWO
METRES EVEN APART FROM ALL OF
HER GUESTS AS WE DO THIS ALL IN
SOCIAL DISTANCING PANDEMIC
TIMES, WHICH MAKES ALL OF THIS
ALL THE MORE UNUSUAL.
AM I GOING TO VASSY?
ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO TO VASSY TO
GET VASSY TO WEIGH IN.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE HEARING
ANYTHING ABOUT THE VOTE OR THE
DELAY OR ANYTHING FROM THE CAMPS
ABOUT NERVES?
>> Vassy: ACTUALLY, THE
QUESTION THAT I'M GETTING THAT
IS KIND OF EMERGING IS WHETHER
OR NOT THIS IS MORE SERIOUS THAN
WE KNOW RIGHT NOW.
SO I'M MAKING AS MANY INQUIRIES
AS I CAN AND WE KNEW FROM LISA
RAITT'S COMMENTS NOT LONG AGO,
SHE IS IN CHARGE OF THIS WHOLE
PROCESS, ALONG WITH VAN NOLAN,
THEY DIDN'T ANTICIPATE IT WOULD
BE TOO MUCH LONGER AND YOU HEARD
FROM ALEX NUTTALL AND SPEAKING
TO HANNAH THAT THERE COULD BE
MORE DELAYS AS WELL.
AND SO THERE IS SOME CONCERN
WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A MORE
PRONOUNCED PROBLEM THAN WE
INITIALLY MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT AND
WHETHER OR NOT THAT MEANS THAT
EVEN FURTHER DELAYS OR EVEN
QUESTIONS AROUND THOSE BALLOTS
THAT DID GET SOME DAMAGE.
BECAUSE AS LISA RAITT OUTLINED,
WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT IT'S IN
THESE MACHINES THAT ARE COUNTING
THE BALLOTS AND THAT THE
ENVELOPE -- SOMETHING HAPPENED
AND THE BALLOT GETS RIPPED SO
SCRUTINEERS HAVE TO LOOK AT IT
AND THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS.
SHE ASSURED EVERYONE IN THE
AUDIENCE AND WATCHING THAT THERE
WASN'T AN ISSUE WITH VALIDITY OR
QUESTIONS OF VALIDITY, BUT I'M
HEARING OF?
SOME CONCERNS THAT IS
A POSSIBILITY THAT IT COULD BE
EXASAER BAITED AND SO WE'RE
LOOKING TO SEE IF THE PROGRAMME
DOES GET STARTED AND WHAT THAT
MEANS FOR THE VOTE COUNTING AND
WHETHER OR NOT WE'LL GET THOSE
FIRST BALLOT RESULTS OUT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO
INQUIRE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE
OFFICIAL LINE FROM THE PARTY IS
RIGHT NOW.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, AND SO
PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS
NOT LIKE A GENERAL ELECTION
WHERE YOU'D HAVE REPRESENTATIVES
INSIDE OF THE ROOM TO MAKE SURE
THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY
THAT THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD.
AND I GUESS THAT ONE OF THE
CONCERNS, VASSY, WOULD BE GIVEN
THAT HOW TIGHT THE LAST RESULTS
WERE IN 2017, THAT YOU WOULD
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
EVERYTHING WAS GOING AND
ACCURATELY MOVING FORWARD IN
CASE IT WAS THAT TIGHT AGAIN?
>> Vassy: VERY MUCH SO.
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE YOU'RE
COUNTING FOR FIRST, SECOND AND
THIRD RANKED.
IT'S NOT JUST ONE BALLOT WITH
ONE NAME ON IT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN
AROUND THE VALIDITY OF IT AND
THE CAMPS ARE ALL INTERESTED IN
THIS RIGHT NOW.
IT WASN'T EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAD
ANTICIPATED.
OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU HAVE OUTLINED
THROUGHOUT THE EVENING, THE
LEADERSHIP RACES HAVE CURVEBALLS
AND MOST COME IN THE FORM OF
DELAYS.
BECAUSE THIS ONE HAS TO DO WITH
THE COUNTING OF IT AND WITH THE
VALIDITY OF THE ACTUAL BALLOT,
THERE IS A LEVEL OF CONCERN
AROUND WHAT THAT MEANS AND
WHETHER OR NOT THERE WILL BE
FURTHER DELAYS AS A CONSEQUENCE.
RIGHT NOW -- JUST TO BE CLEAR --
I DON'T HAVE A CONFIRMATION THAT
THERE ARE ANY FURTHER DELAYS,
BUT MR. NUTTALL, MR. ALEX
NUTTALL WAS SAYING THAT THERE'S
A POSSIBILITY OF THEM.
>> Rosemary: MAYBE I'LL GET
CATHERINE CULLEN TO WEIGH IN TOO
BEFORE I LET YOU TO BRING IN A
GUEST.
CATHERINE, I KNOW THAT PEOPLE
ARE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT
PEOPLE INSIDE OF THE CAMPS, IF
YOU HEAR ANYTHING?
>> Reporter: I'M SPEAKING TO
AN OFFICIAL IN THE PARTY THAT
THEY'RE WAITING TO HEAR WHETHER
OR NOT THERE'S DELAYS.
SO THE DOOR IS STILL OPEN TO
THAT POSSIBILITY, LIKE WE HEARD
A MOMENT AGO FROM ALEX NUTTALL
AND WHERE THIS WILL GO.
IT'S NOT CLEAR.
YOU HEARD ALEX NUTTALL TO HANNAH
TO SAY TO FOCUS ON TONIGHT AND
NOT NEXT WEEK.
HOPEFULLY TONIGHT DOESN'T BLEED
INTO NEXT WEEK, ROSIE, THAT'S
T.B.D., BUT WE DON'T KNOW ANY
FURTHER DELAYS AND WE'RE JUST
KEEPING OUR EARS OPEN.
>> Rosemary: HERE'S SOMETHING
THAT I WOULDN'T MIND KNOWING --
IF A BALLOT IS NOT VALIDATED BY
THE SCRUTINEERS, IS THERE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN TOUCH WITH
THE MEMBER IN ORDER TO HAVE IT
VALID?
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD
WORK, OR IF IT'S DISCARDED?
>> Reporter: NOW I -- I AM NOT
A MEMBER OF THE PART, BUT, NO,
THAT IS WHAT A SCRUTINEER IS
THERE FOR, RIGHT, IS TO
DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT A
BALLOT CAN BE LEGITIMATELY
COUNTED.
WE WOULD EXPECT AT SOME POINT IN
THIS PROCESS TO FIND OUT AS WE
WOULD IN A FEDERAL ELECTION IF
THERE WERE, INDEED, A NUMBER OF
BALLOTS.
BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE STILL
TRYING TO PRECISELY -- PRECISELY
TO UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THIS
PROBLEM AS WE UNDERSTAND IT THAT
THE BALLOTS ARE TORN SO THEY
HAVE TO BE REFILLED OUT WITH THE
SCRUTINEERS WATCHING.
WERE THEY COUNTED THE FIRST
TIME?
IT CAN GET TECHNICAL PRETTY
QUICKLY IN AN ALREADY TECHNICAL
PROCESS OF WEIGHTED RIDINGS AND
RANKED BALLOTS.
>> Rosemary: AND KORY TENEYCKE
AND HE WAS HERE AND THERE WAS
POTENTIALLY THOUSANDS THAT WERE
RIPPED AND NEEDED TO BE LOOKED
AT AND YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT
WOULD BE A LENGTHY PROCESS.
>> Reporter: I KNOW THAT SOME
OF THE SCRUTINEERS IN SOME CASES
HAVE BEEN RELEASED FROM THE
ROOM, MEANING SOME REGIONS
THINGS ARE OKAY.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF
THE SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM.
>> Rosemary: THANK YOU FOR
THAT, VASSY AND CATHERINE AND
HANNAH.
I'LL BE BACK TO ALL OF YOU.
LET'S BRING IN MICHELLE REMPEL
GARNER FOR CALGARY WHO IS
WATCHING FOR RESULTS AS WELL.
GIVEN THAT THIS WILL BE HER
LEADER EVENTUALLY.
ARE YOU HEARING ANYTHING ABOUT
THE DELAYS HERE, MICHELLE, AND
WHETHER THERE'S ANYTHING TO BE
CONCERNED ABOUT OR WHETHER THIS
IS JUST MACHINES EATING BALLOTS
AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE
THEM OUT?
>> YEAH, I MEAN, CERTAINLY MY
PHONE HAS BEEN LIGHTING UP OVER
THE LAST HALF-HOUR.
BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I'D
RATHER THAT WE JUST GET THIS
RIGHT.
I THINK ABOUT PREVIOUS
LEADERSHIP ELECTIONS, LIKE, FOR
EXAMPLE THE N.D.P., I REMEMBER,
YOU KNOW, THEY HAD JUST HOURS ON
HOURS OF DELAYS WITH SOME OF
THEIR ONLINE.
SO I KNOW THAT THE PARTY HAS
RECENT EXPERIENCE WITH THIS,
WITH OUR LAST LEADERSHIP RACE
ONLY HAPPENING IN 2017.
WE DO HAVE A THIRD PARTY
INVOLVED IN ENSURING THAT THE
RESULTS ARE AUDITED AND
APPROPRIATE.
AND, YOU KNOW, GIVEN WHAT IS AT
STAKE, I THINK THAT MOST OF OUR
MEMBERS ARE HAPPY TO STAY AN
EXTRA 90 MINUTES TO MAKE SURE
THAT ALL OF THE CAMPS ARE
POSITIVE AND HAPPY WITH THE
PROCESS.
AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO
CONSERVATIVES.
SO I'M HAVING DINNER WITH TWO OF
MY VERY GOOD FRIENDS RIGHT NOW
AND THEY'RE JUST SITTING AROUND
THE TABLE FROM ME AND WE'RE
HAPPY TO WAIT TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE GET IT RIGHT.
[laughter]
>> Rosemary: WELL, THAT SOUNDS
LIKE AN OKAY TIME, ACTUALLY.
I AM HAPPY TO WAIT.
IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO TALK
ABOUT MORE THINGS.
SO PRESUMING THIS WILL START NOW
AT 7:30.
MAYBE I'LL JUST GET YOU TO WEIGH
IN TOO ON ANDREW SCHEER.
BECAUSE THE PROGRAMME STARTS
WITH A TRIBUTE TO ANDREW SCHEER.
AND HOW HE IS LEADING THE PARTY,
BECAUSE IT IS TRUE THAT THERE
WAS GROWTH INSIDE THE PARTY
THOUGH THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE
ENOUGH FOR HIM TO STICK AROUND.
>> YEAH, I MEAN, FOR ME THE
TAKEAWAY IS THAT WE ENDED UP
WITH MORE [indiscernible] THAN
IN 2015 AFTER HIS LEADERSHIP.
I NOTICED THE PARTY FINANCES ARE
IN VERY GOOD SHAPE.
WHEN I THINK ABOUT A LEADER WHO,
YOU KNOW, HE DECIDED NOT TO
CONTINUE THE LEADERSHIP IN
DECEMBER, HE COULD HAVE REALLY
CHECKED OUT IN THE LAST SIX
MONTHS AND THAT'S NOT WHO HE IS
AS A PERSON.
I THINK THAT HE HAS PUT HIS
HEART AND SOUL INTO THIS IN
QUESTION PERIOD, AND THERE ARE
MANY PEOPLE WHO DON'T AGREE WITH
ALL OF HIS POLITICS AND STUFF
LIKE THAT.
BUT AS A HUMAN BEING, AS
SOMEBODY WHO PAID THE PERSONAL
COST FOR LIVING A PUBLIC
LIFE,I'M NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT
THAT AND I'M HONOURED TO BE AN
M.P., BUT THERE IS A COST.
AND HE REALLY SAT BACK AND JUST
SAID, LOOK, I DON'T WANT
ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
AND HE DID THROUGH A PANDEMIC
AND THROUGH A VERY DIFFICULT
TIME, HAVE A PARTY THAT WERE
WELL FINANCED AND READY TO FIGHT
AN ELECTION.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE
WORK THAT WE'VE DONE AS A CAUCUS
DURING THE PANDEMIC THROUGH A
SUSPENDED PARLIAMENT, SITUATIONS
THAT HAVE BEEN VERY ABNORMAL, WE
HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HOLD THE
GOVERNMENT TO ACCOUNT.
HE HAS TO BE GIVEN SOME CREDIT
FOR THAT.
SO I KNOW THAT HE'S A FRIEND AND
I'M PROUD TO CALL HIM A FRIEND
AND I KNOW THAT HE HAS MORE TO
CONTRIBUTE AS AN M.P.
>> Rosemary: SO HOW DO YOU
THINK THAT THIS WILL SHAKE
DOWN -- I'M NOT SURE THAT I
ASKED YOU THAT BEFORE -- IF YOU
HAVE PREDICTIONS ON BALLOT
NUMBERS OR WHO'S GOING TO WIN.
YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO GO THERE
BUT ON ROUNDS AND HOW CLOSE THIS
WILL ACTUALLY BE?
>> SURE, LET'S MAKE IT SPICY.
I DIDN'T -- I DIDN'T ENDORSE
ANYONE SO I WILL GIVE YOU MY
BEST HERE.
WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM A LOT OF
PEOPLE IS THAT PETER MacKAY'S
CAMP IS LOOKING FOR THEIR
ACCOUNTABLE LEAD ON THE FIRST
BALLOT, THAT THEY'RE LOOKING
FOR, YOU KNOW, REALLY GOOD WATER
MARK BEING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 40%
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THIS HAS BEEN FROM DIFFERENT
CAMPS WHO APPROACHED AS WELL
THAT APPARENTLY HE DOESN'T HAVE
DOWN BALLOT SUPPORT.
I DON'T KNOW IF I BUY THAT BASED
ON WHAT I HAVE HEARD, BUT,
CERTAINLY, A BIG LEAD UPFRONT,
WHO COULD BE CONSIDERED THE
FRONT RUNNER THE CAMPAIGN WOULD
BE SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE
LOOKING FOR.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ERIN O'TOOLE
WHO HAS RUN A VERY, YOU KNOW, A
CROSS-COUNTRY CAMPAIGN.
SORT OF A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT
ISSUES.
AND HAS BUILT -- I DON'T KNOW
THAT HE WAS RUNNING ON THE
BALLOT QUESTION OF BEATING
TRUDEAU, HE WAS RUNNING ON
ADDRESSING SOME OF THE CORE
CONSTITUENCY ISSUES, LIKE, FOR
EXAMPLE, AN ELECTIC AND A BROAD
BASE OF SUPPORT THAT WILL CARRY
HIM THROUGH DIFFERENT ROUNDS.
THEN YOU HAVE LESLYN LEWIS, AND
YOU HAD STEVE OUTHOUSE, HER
CAMPAIGN MANAGER ON THERE.
THEY HAVE RUN JUST THIS
INCREDIBLE CAMPAIGN.
I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF
LESLYN LEWIS CARRIES MY RIDING
HERE IN CALGARY.
I THINK THAT SHE'S REALLY GOING
TO SURPRISE TONIGHT.
I THINK THAT WE WOULD -- THE
THING THAT WOULD SURPRISE ME THE
MOST IS IF SOMEONE WON ON THE
FIRST BALLOT.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE'LL SEE
THAT.
BUT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, AND
MEMBERSHIP HAT ON AND MY FRIENDS
HERE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT FIRST
BALLOT RESULT.
AND ALSO I WOULD SAY THIS --
THAT THE RESULTS BY REGION.
IS THERE ONE CANDIDATE THAT
CLEARLY PULLED AWAY WITH LESS
CANADIAN SUPPORT AND IF THEY'RE
NOT THE EVENTUAL WINNER OF WHAT
IS THE NEW LEADER GOING TO DO TO
ADDRESS THAT DISPARITY.
SO I THINK THAT IF ANYONE IS
SPINNING YOU THAT SOMEONE IS
GOING TO WIN FOR SURE, I THINK
THAT THEY'RE GIVING YOU THE
SPIN, ROSIE, AND YOU'RE SMARTER
THAN THAT.
[laughter]
WE'RE ALL SITTING AROUND AND
EAGERLY AWAITING RESULTS.
>> Rosemary: WELL, NO ONE --
TO BE FRANK, NO ONE IS SAYING
THEY'RE GOING TO WIN OUTRIGHT.
SO I THINK THAT EVERYBODY IS IN
THE SAME BOAT AS YOU, THEY'RE
WAITING TO SEE HOW THINGS SHAKE
DOWN.
OKAY, MICHELLE REMPEL GARNER,
I'LL LET YOU GET BACK TO DINNER
WITH YOUR BEST FRIENDS BUT WE'LL
CALL BACK IF THAT'S OKAY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THAT'S MICHELLE REMPEL GARNER,
THE CONSERVATIVE M.P. FOR
CALGARY-NOSE HILL.
DIALLING IN FROM HER RIDING
TONIGHT AND TAKING A MOMENT OUT
OF DINNER WITH HER FRIENDS AND
TRYING TO MAKE IT FUN BECAUSE
LEADERSHIP RACES ARE FUN TOO.
CBC'S HANNAH THIBEDEAU IS BACK
NOW.
AND SHE HAS WRANGLED ANOTHER
GUEST.
AND YOU'RE WITH A MEMBER OF THE
O'TOOLE TEAM?
>> Hannah: ABSOLUTELY, AND
WE'RE HAVING FUN DOWN HERE TOO,
ROSEMARY.
YES, I'M JOINED BY THE CAMPAIGN
MANAGER FOR THE O'TOOLE
CAMPAIGN.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, FRED,
I APPRECIATE IT.
SO WE'RE COMING UP TO FINALLY
POTENTIALLY THE FIRST BALLOT.
YOU GUYS DID SOME EXIT POLLING.
CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT?
>> WE HAVE BEEN EXIT POLLING
SINCE THE VOTING STARTED.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT EVERY DAY
THAT THE PARTY GIVES THE
CAMPAIGNS THEIR LIST OF WHO
VOTED AND WE ARE PULLING FROM
THAT AND FROM THAT WE ARE IN A
GOOD POSITION TO WIN THIS.
WE BELIEVE THAT WE'RE THE
FRONT-RUNNER NOW.
I COULD TELL YOU THAT A FEW
MONTHS AGO IT WASN'T THE CASE --
>> Hannah: WHAT CHANGED?
>> LOOK, WE HAVE CAMPAIGNED
AGGRESSIVELY AND WORKED VERY
HARD, AND BEFORE THE PANDEMIC HE
TRAVELLED THE COUNTRY AND AFTER
THE PANDEMIC HE TRAVELLED IT VIA
ZOOM AND CALLING EVERY MEMBER
AND HAVING TONNES OF MEETINGS
AND JUST REACHING OUT.
>> Hannah: ONE OF THE BIG
THINGS IS GETTING OUT THE VOTE.
HOW DID YOUR TEAM FOCUS ON THAT?
>> WELL, LOOK, WE HAD 3,400
VOLUNTEERS AROUND THE COUNTRY ON
OUR TEAM AND 700 DOOR KNOCKERS
OUT AND WE HIT THE DOORS HARD.
AND THE ELECTIONS ARE WON --
THERE'S TWO PARTS, THERE'S THE
AIRBORNE AND THE GROUND GAME AND
THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
>> Hannah: I HAVE TO ASK YOU,
WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT YOU'LL
SEE FROM MR. O'TOOLE?
>> I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO
BE IN FIRST PLACE AND I BELIEVE
THAT WHEN WE ARE IN FIRST THAT
WE'RE GOING TO LEAD THROUGHOUT
AND WIN THE LEADERSHIP.
WE ARE IN A POSITION WHERE WE
GET EVERYONE'S SECOND BALLOT
SUPPORT.
AND THE LEWIS AND MacKAY,
STRONG CAMPAIGNS BUT WE HAVE
DONE GREAT SECOND BALLOT
SUPPORT.
WHICH A FOUR-PERSON RACE IS KEY.
>> Hannah: WHEN YOU LOOK
ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ONE OF THE
THINGS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE OF
UNITY.
IF MR. O'TOOLE IS TO WIN THIS,
IS THAT ONE OF HIS BIG FOCUSES
COMING OUT OF THE CAMPAIGN?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
WE HAVE A WEXIT MOVEMENT
DEVELOPING IN THE WEST AND WE
HAVE THE BLOC QUEÉBÉCOIS, THEY
WERE DOWN TO UNOFFICIAL PARTY
STATUS AND NOW THEY HAVE 30 SOME
SEATS.
SO NATIONAL UNITY IS A REAL
THING.
THAT'S WHERE ERIN LAUNCHED HIS
CAMPAIGN IN WESTERN CANADA AS
PART OF THAT.
>> Hannah: WHAT ABOUT UNITY
WITHIN THE PARTY ITSELF, BECAUSE
I THINK THAT THE WORD THAT WE
HAVE USED A LOT IS "CHIPPY," IT
WAS A BIT CHIPPY BETWEEN THE
CAMPS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES AND YOU HAVE THE
RED TORIES AND THE BLUE TORIES
AND YOU HAVE THE LIBERTARIANS
AND THE FISCAL CONSERVATIVES.
HOW DO YOU BRING THEM ALL
TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT
THERE'S NOT THAT RIFT WITHIN THE
PARTY?
>> LOOK, OUR PARTY IS A VERY
LARGE COALITION.
THE THING IS THAT IN ANY
LEADERSHIP RACE IS THAT IT'S THE
POLITICAL EQUIVALENT OF A CIVIL
WAR.
IT'S BROTHER VERSUS BROTHER.
>> Hannah: IT'S A GOOD WAY TO
PUT IT.
>> SO IT'S CHIPPY AND IT'S
SUPPOSED TO BE CHIPPY AND IT'S A
CONTRAST OF IDEAS AND VIEWS, BUT
ERIN RAN A CAMPAIGN THAT HE'S
OPEN TO ALL CONSERVATIVES.
WE ARE A GRAND COALITION AND SIR
JOHN A. MacDONALD BUILT THIS
COALITION THATA ALLOWED THIS
PARTY TO BE BUILT.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT ERIN HAS
EMBODIED THROUGHOUT THIS
CAMPAIGN.
>> Rosemary: WOULD HE TRY TO
PULL IN PETER MacKAY?
>> WITHOUT QUESTION, WE'D LOVE
TO HAVE PETER UNDER AN ERIN
O'TOOLE LEADERSHIP.
PETER HAS A LOT TO OFFER.
HE WAS A FANTASTIC CABINET
MINISTER, YOU YOU KNOW, HE'S GOT
A LOT THAT WE WOULD WANT AS PART
OF OUR TEAM.
>> Hannah: TONIGHT IF HE WERE
TO WIN WHAT TYPE OF MESSAGING
WOULD WE HEAR IN A SPEECH FROM
MR. O'TOOLE?
>> YOU WILL HEAR IT TONIGHT
BECAUSE HE WILL WIN.
>> Hannah: WHAT ABOUT THIS
WEEK, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT
THIS WEEK WILL LOOK LIKE UNDER
ERIN O'TOOLE?
>> THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
WE HAVE A CORRUPT AND OUT OF
TOUCH LIBERAL GOVERNMENT THAT
NEEDS TO BE HELD TO ACCOUNT.
AND WE HAVE TO GET RIGHT TO WORK
ON BEHALF OF CANADIANS TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE'RE READY TO TAKE
THEM ON.
>> Hannah: IS THAT FIRST THING
TOMORROW MORNING?
>> WE HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED
AT 9:00 a.m..
NOT TOO EARLY, 9:00.
>> Hannah: SO YOU'RE PRETTY
CONFIDENT.
FRED DELOREY, I THANK YOU FOR
YOUR TIME AND GOOD LUCK TONIGHT
AS WELL.
FRED DELOREY, A CAMPAIGN MANAGER
FOR ERIN O'TOOLE.
ROSIE, BACK TO YOU.
>> Rosemary: THANK YOU FOR
THAT, HANNAH THIBEDEAU.
I APPRECIATE IT.
SO WE HAVE HEARD FROM EVERYONE
EXCEPT FOR THE SLOAN TEAM AND WE
WILL SEE IF ANYONE WANTS TO TALK
ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE UNFOLDING.
IF YOU'RE JUST TUNING IN ON CBC
NEWS NETWORK, I'M ROSEMARY
BARTON AND YOU'RE WATCHING
SPECIAL COVERAGE WITH OUR GUESTS
AND REPORTERS AROUND THE
CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP
CAMPAIGN.
WE ARE EXPECTING TO HEAR RESULTS
SOON.
AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE ARE
BEING TOLD.
THE PROGRAMME FOR TONIGHT HAD
BEEN SLATED TO START AT 6:00
p.m. EASTERN AND IT HAS BEEN
DELAYED DUE TO SOME PROBLEMS
PROCESSING VOTES.
WE ARE TOLD THAT SOME OF THE
MACHINES, THEY ARE AUTOMATED
MACHINES TALLYING THE VOTES,
WERE CUTTING SOME OF THE
BALLOTS.
AND SO THEY NEEDED TO EXTRACT
THOSE BALLOTS AND TO HAVE
SCRUTINEERS FROM EACH CAMP LOOK
AT THEM TO DETERMINE IF THEY
COULD DECIPHER WHAT THE RESULTS
ARE.
THIS IS THE SAME TEAM THAT WAS
DOING THIS PROCESS IN 2017.
THE SAME MACHINES THAT WERE USED
IN 2017.
SO THIS IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT
ANYONE EXPECTED GIVEN THEY HAD
EXPERIENCE USING THESE MACHINES
IN THE LAST LEADERSHIP
CONVENTION.
I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT ABOUT
90% OF THE BALLOTS WERE MAILED
IN AND 10% DONE ON SITE.
THIS TIME AROUND BECAUSE OF THE
PANDEMIC, 100% OF THE BALLOTS
WERE MAILED IN AND IT WAS ALL
GOING PRETTY WELL, THE PARTY WAS
VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE HIGH
TURNOUT AND THE HIGH NUMBER OF
BALLOTS.
THEY RECEIVED CLOSE TO 175,000
BALLOTS WHICH IS MORE THAN THEY
HAD IN THE LAST 10 -- 10,000
MORE PEOPLE WERE ELIGIBLE TO
CAST A BALLOT THAN IN 2017.
SO MORE MEMBERS AND MORE VOTES
BUT THEY'VE NOW HIT THIS
BUG-A-BOO AND WE'RE WAITING TO
SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY
CAN GET SORTED IN TIME TO GET
BACK ON TRACK HERE AND HOPING TO
GET THE FIRST ROUND BALLOT
RESULTS AT 8:00 p.m. EASTERN
NOW.
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY ARE UP
AGAINST DEADLINES FOR
JOURNALISTS AND NEWSCASTS,
CERTAINLY, BUT ALSO THE PRESSURE
OF PROFESSIONAL SPORTS THAT IS
AIRING, WHETHER IT'S THE NHL
GAMES OR NBA GAMES THAT PEOPLE
MIGHT TUNE AWAY.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE EXACT
WRONG THING THAT THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY WOULD WANT,
RIGHT?
THEY WANT PEOPLE WATCHING AND
GETTING EXCITED ABOUT WHO THE
NEXT LEADER IS GOING TO BE.
ON THAT NOTE LET'S BRING IN KORY
TENEYCKE AGAIN, THE MANAGING
PARTNER AT RUBICON STRATEGY AND
A FORMER DIRECTOR OF
COMMUNICATIONS FOR STEPHEN
HARPER.
I MIGHT NOT SAY YOUR WHOLE TITLE
EACH TIME, KORY.
I MIGHT GET TO A SPACE WHERE I'M
LIKE, HEY, KORY.
SO, YEAH, WE HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE
TELLS US THAT THIS IS THE SAME
SYSTEM USED LAST TIME AROUND.
SO I GUESS THAT IS A LITTLE
ANNOYING TO SAY THE LEAST FOR
THE PEOPLE RUNNING THIS VOTE
THAT THEY HAVE RUN INTO THIS
PROBLEM.
>> NO, LOOK, IT'S FRUSTRATING,
BUT IT'S PAR FROM UNIQUE FOR THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
IT SEEMS THAT IT'S -- OR THE
FEDERAL CONSERVATIVE PARTY -- IT
SEEMS MORE THE NORM ON THESE
LEADERSHIPS WHERE WE HAVE SORT
OF TECHNICAL HICCUPS.
BUT IF THE RACE IS AS CLOSE AS I
THINK THAT SOME PEOPLE THINK
THAT IT IS, ALTHOUGH I DO
APPRECIATE FRED'S CONFIDENCE,
THEN, YOU KNOW, THE
SCRUTINEERING PROCESS CAN REALLY
SLOW IT DOWN.
SO IT'S REALLY UNKNOWABLE
BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T ALLOWED IN
AND OUT OF THAT ROOM AND TO
SPEAK, ALTHOUGH SOME SCRUTINEERS
WERE RELEASED EARLIER WHICH IS I
THINK WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME NEWS
ON WHAT IS GOING ON.
BUT THE -- PROCESS OF TRYING TO
DETERMINE, ESPECIALLY THE
LOCATION OF WHERE A BALLOT HAS
COME FROM -- LIKE, THAT BECOMES
VERY IMPORTANT.
AS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE,
THIS IS CHESS, NOT CHECKERS.
IT'S NOT HOW MANY PIECES ARE
LEFT ON THE BOARD TO DETERMINE
THE WINNER.
IT'S A BIGGER STRATEGIC GAME
GOING ON.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE
MacKAY CAMPAIGN IS THAT THEY
PUT A BIG FOCUS ON THESE SORT OF
SMALLER POPULATION RIDINGS.
WE'LL SEE WHETHER THAT CAMPAIGN
PLAN WORKED OUT.
IT CERTAINLY IN THE LAST TWO
CAMPAIGNS, THE ONE THAT I WAS
INVOLVED WITH WITH DOUG FORD AND
THAT'S THE STRATEGY THAT WE
EMPLOYED THERE TO GIVE US
VICTORY.
WE LOST THE POPULAR VOTE BUT WON
THE ELECTION AND THAT'S THE CASE
FOR ANDREW SCHEER AS WELL.
SO I WILL MAKE A PREDICTION THAT
ERIN O'TOOLE PROBABLY WILL HAVE
MORE FIRST BALLOT VOTES THAN
PETER MacKAY.
I THINK THAT IS QUITE POSSIBLE.
IN FACT, I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF
IT WASN'T THAT OUTCOME.
BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY
MEAN THAT HE'D HAVE MORE POINTS.
SO SOME OF THE TEA LEAVES COMING
OUT OF THE COUNT ROOM ARE VERY
DIFFICULT TO INTERPRET.
CERTAINLY, THE CAMPAIGNS HAVE
BETTER INFORMATION THAN THE
PUNDITS DO BECAUSE THEY HAVE
REPRESENTATIVES IN THE COUNT
ROOM.
SO I WOULDN'T READ ANYTHING INTO
THE CONFIDENCE FROM THE O'TOOLE
CAMPAIGN, BUT I THINK THERE'S A
PATH THERE FOR LESLYN LEWIS AND
I THINK THERE'S A PATH THERE FOR
PETER MacCAY AND A PATH THERE
FOR ERIN O'TOOLE.
WE'VE SEEN RACES, MOST NOTABLY I
MENTIONED EARLIER, IF YOU THINK
WHEN STEPHANE DION WON THE
LEADERSHIP OF THE LIBERAL PARTY,
HE WAS REALLY A DARK HORSE
CANDIDATE.
NOT UNLIKE A LESLYN LEWIS
SITUATION.
SOMEONE WHO IS MORE OF A
POLITICAL OUTSIDER, THOUGH HE
WAS A CABINET MINISTER, HE HAD
BEEN A FAIRLY NICHE ONE, TO PUT
IT MILDLY.
AND THE ANIMOSITY AND THE
ACRIMONY BETWEEN THE TWO
FRONT-RUNNERS, BOB RAE AND
MICHAEL IGNATIEFF, IT WAS SO
HIGH THAT IT PUSHED THEM INTO A
LEADERSHIP.
>> Rosemary: VERY DIFFERENT
CAMPAIGN THOUGH.
YEAH, YEAH, VERY DIFFERENT
CAMPAIGN BECAUSE OF THE ANN
MOSSITY.
ON THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN,
PEOPLE ARE SEEING -- WELL,
THEY'RE SEEING ME NOW BUT THEY
WERE SEEING ANDREW SCHEER AND
HIS WIFE JILL OF DOING A
WALKTHROUGH OF THE AREA THAT HE
WILL GIVE HIS SPEECH SHORTLY.
WHICH GIVES ME HOPE THAT THIS
WILL ONE DAY HAPPEN AND THAT THE
EVENT WILL START.
WE ARE TOLD, CATHERINE CULLEN IS
SAYING THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THINGS
WILL START AT 7:30.
I'LL LET YOU END, KORY, WHAT
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE.
GO AHEAD, YOU FINISH YOUR
THOUGHT AND THEN I'LL HAVE A
QUESTION.
>> NO, I WAS GOING TO JUST SAY
THEY THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO
BE -- DESPITE THE SNAFUS I THINK
THAT IT WILL BE VERY INTERESTING
BECAUSE THERE ARE VERY VIABLE
WAYS FOR EACH ONE OF THE THREE
FRONT RUNNING CANDIDATES TO COME
OUT WITH A WIN.
AND WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS THAT
IT'S VERY CLOSE.
SO IT LEADS TO THE HIGH DRAMA
MOMENTS THAT WE ALL LOOK FORWARD
TO IN POLITICS.
SO I'M SITTING ON THE EDGE OF MY
SEAT TO SEE HOW THIS PLAYS OUT.
>> Rosemary: I DON'T REMEMBER
THIS HAPPENING AFTER 2017, BUT
IS THERE A CONCERN AROUND THE
PROCESS, WHETHER IT'S THE POINT
SYSTEM THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO
MacKAY WHEN HE HAD THE MERGER
OF THE PARTY OR THE RANKED
BALLOT?
HAS ANYONE SAID THAT I'M NOT
SURE THAT THIS IS WORKING
ANYMORE FOR THIS PARTY?
>> I'LL PUT UP MY HAND ON THE
OBVIOUS PROBLEM WITH RANKED
BALLOT IS THAT THEY OFTEN COME
UP WITH COMPROMISED CANDIDATES
THAT LEAVE NO ONE HAPPY.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WOULD BE
THE CASE WITH LESLYN LEWIS.
BUT THAT IS THE KNOCK ON THAT
PARTICULAR PROCESS.
I THINK THAT A LOT OF PARTY
INSIDERS LIKE THE OLD DELEGATED
CONVENTION MODEL, BUT, YOU KNOW,
I'M NOT A FAN OF THAT AS I THINK
THAT IT TAKES AWAY A LOT OF THE
GRASSROOTS MEMBERS AND THAT'S
NOT GOOD.
THERE'S NOT A PERFECT ONE AND
THEY'RE CONTROVERSIAL.
THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR IS MORE
CHALLENGING BECAUSE OF THE COVID
SITUATION AND IT'S ALL MAIL-IN
SO IT DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO HAVE
THAT SORT OF ON-SITE RALLY
ATMOSPHERE THAT PEOPLE WANT.
BUT, LOOK, WE HAD ON-SITE VOTING
IN THE DOUG FORD P.C. LEADERSHIP
AND WE HAD VOTING PROBLEMS THERE
TOO AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE
RESULTS UNTIL, ESSENTIALLY,
MIDNIGHT.
>> Rosemary: YEP, YEP, YOU'RE
RIGHT, IT IS COMPLICATED AND AS
MICHELLE REMPEL GARNER SAID,
BETTER TO GET IT RIGHT THAN TO
TRY TO RUSH IT OUT AND TO HAVE
EVERYONE UPSET.
I APPRECIATE IT, WE'LL COME BACK
TO YOU THROUGH THE EVENING.
THAT'S KORY TENEYCKE THERE,
STANDING IN AND GIVING US HIS
ANALYSIS AND WHAT HE'S HEARING
AS WELL.
AND I'M GOING TO CBC'S CATHERINE
CULLEN NOW WITH INFORMATION
ABOUT WHAT THE HOLDUP IS?
>> Reporter: WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT THE TABULATOR MACHINES,
IT'S NOT, IT'S THE MACHINES THAT
RIP OPEN THE ENVELOPES.
WHAT IS NEW THIS GO AROUND AND
HERE'S WHERE COVID STRIKES, THE
ENVELOPES ARE SMALLER THAN LAST
TIME.
I'M TOLD BY AN OFFICIAL THAT IT
HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH MAIL
DELIVERY AND THEY NEEDED THE
ENVELOPES TO WEIGH SLIGHTLY
LESS, SO THEY'RE SMALLER AND
THAT'S RESULTING IN THE
ENVELOPES BEING TORN WHEN OPENED
AND HERE WE HAVE THE PROBLEM OF
THESE BALLOTS BEING -- AS WE'RE
TOLD RIPPED UP.
AND I'M TRYING TO GET
CONFIRMATION THAT WE'RE ON TRACK
FOR 7:30.
I SPOKE TO ONE PERSON INVOLVED
IN THE BROADER ANNOUNCEMENT WHO
SAID THEY'LL DOING MIKE CHECKS
AND WHATNOT.
BUT I CAN'T GET IT'S ON FOR
7:30, THUMBS UP JUST YET SO
WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT.
>> Rosemary: WE'LL STAND BY
AND VASSY AS WELL IS HEARING THE
SAME THING AROUND THE
COMPLICATION AROUND THE ENVELOPE
SIZE AND NOT THE TABULATION
MACHINES.
WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S 2020, YOU
NEVER KNOW, IT PRESENTS ALL
SORTS OF INTERESTING MOMENTS.
VASSY, WHAT ARE YOU HEARING,
SIMILAR THINGS TO CATHERINE?
>> Vassy: YES, SIMILAR THINGS.
JUST FROM SOMEONE INVOLVED IN
THE DELAYS.
SO THE ELECTRIC ENVELOPE OPENERS
RIPPED A LARGE NUMBER OF BALLOTS
RIGHT ACROSS THEIR CREASES SO
YOU SPLIT THEM RIGHT IN TWO, THE
BALLOT IN TWO OR THEY CREATED A
GAP HALFWAY THROUGH.
AND BECAUSE OF THE QUANTITY OF
THE BALLOTS I'M TOLD THAT IT
TOOK TO 1:00 TO OPEN THEM AND TO
SEPARATE THEM FROM THE
ENVELOPES.
THEN FOR MOST OF THE AFTERNOON A
SMALL NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS HAD
TO TAPE THE BALLOTS PHYSICALLY
BACK TOGETHER SO THEY COULD BE
FED INTO THE COUNTING MACHINES.
AND THEN MANY OF THOSE ACTUALLY
HAD TO BE REVIEWED WHICH IS WHAT
LISA RAITT WAS TALKED ABOUT,
WITH SCRUTINEERS AND TRANSFERRED
TO A FRESHLY PRINTED BALLOT TO
BE FED BACK INTO THE COUNTING
MACHINES AS WELL.
THAT'S A WAY OF SAYING THAT IT'S
COMPLICATED IF THEY WERE DAMAGED
AND WHEN THEY WERE DAMAGED AND
THAT ULTIMATELY CAUSED SUCH A
LONG DELAY.
AND I'M TOLD VERY STRESSFUL FOR
THE VOLUNTEERS INVOLVED IN IT.
SO I TOO AM WAITING TO HEAR --
THERE IS A SENSE THAT, AGAIN,
FROM THE PEOPLE THAT I'M TALKING
TO THAT WERE THERE THAT THINGS
MIGHT HAVE BEEN RESOLVED AT
LEAST TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.
WE MIGHT BE ON TRACK FOR 7:30.
BUT STILL A LOT OF CONCERN FROM
THE VARIOUS CAMPS ABOUT THE
POSSIBILITY OF FURTHER DELAYS
FOR SURE.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, AND JUST SO
THAT PEOPLE KNOW ON THEIR
SCREEN, THIS IS NOT LIVE.
THIS IS SOME VIDEO THAT THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY WAS STREAMING
THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, WHICH
WAS ACTUALLY GREAT.
IT WAS VERY TRANSPARENT, IF
SOMETIMES BORING TO WATCH.
BUT THIS IS THE PROCESS WHERE
THE ENVELOPE IS BEING OPENED BY
THE MACHINE FROM THIS MORNING.
SO IT SLICES THE ENVELOPE
OPEN -- I THINK GUY ON THE LEFT
THERE IN THE BLACK T-SHIRT IS
DOING THAT AND YOU CAN SEE IN
THE BLUE BOX THEY'RE SHOWING YOU
PARTS OF THE ENVELOPE THAT HAVE
BEEN SNIPPED OFF TO EXPOSE THE
BALLOT.
THIS IS NOT QUITE AS INTERESTING
AS THE PIGEON ON THE FLOOR AT
THE N.D.P. CONVENTION, BUT I'M
TRYING TO GIVE YOU A BEST SENSE
OF WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AND WHAT
VOLUNTEERS WERE DEALING WITH AS
THEY WERE OPENING UP ALMOST
175,000 BALLOTS.
ONCE OPENED BY THESE MACHINES
THAT OPEN UP THE ENVELOPES,
WHICH WAS THE PROBLEM, ACCORDING
TO -- ACCORDING TO CATHERINE --
THEN THEY WOULD BE PUT INTO THE
TABULATORS THAT WOULD COUNT THE
VOTES, THE RANKED BALLOT.
BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE FILLED
OUT ALL FOUR CHOICES IN TERMS OF
EACH ROUND THAT THEY WANTED.
I DON'T KNOW IF, VASSY, YOU HAVE
MORE TO SAY?
IT'S NOT THE MOST COMPELLING
TELEVISION BUT I DO APPRECIATE
THAT THEY SHOWED PEOPLE A LITTLE
BIT OF HOW IT WORKED BECAUSE NOW
WE'VE HAD A PROBLEM SO YOU CAN
SEE THAT THIS IS WHERE THE
PROBLEM MAY HAVE OCCURRED?
>> Vassy: YEAH, EXACTLY.
AND JUST TO REITERATE THAT I
GUESS THAT IT WAS THE -- IT WAS
SORT OF LIKE THE PHYSICAL
PROCESS OF HAVING TO ONCE YOU
IDENTIFY A DAMAGED BALLOT OR A
DAMAGED ENVELOPE, THEN REMARK IT
AND SEND IT THROUGH THE COUNTING
MACHINE AGAIN.
SO THE BIG QUESTION IS OBVIOUSLY
WHAT WE HAVE BEEN GOING OVER A
FEW TIMES IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS
IS GOING TO BE RESOLVED AND, YOU
KNOW, THEY'RE SCHEDULED TO START
THIS PROGRAMME WITH A SPEECH
FROM THE OUTGOING LEADER IN FIVE
MINUTES' TIME AND WHAT DOES THAT
MEAN.
THE CO-CHAIR HAD INDICATED THAT
THEY WOULD TRUNCATE SOME OF THE
OTHER PARTS OF THE AGENDA, CAN
WE ANTICIPATE VARIOUS BALLOT
ANNOUNCEMENTS QUICKER THAN
FIRST?
AND THAT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE
OUTCOME OF THE FIRST BALLOT IS.
BUT I THINK THAT THOSE ARE ALL
GOOD QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE REST
OF THE PROGRAMME?
AND, CERTAINLY, MOST IMPORTANTLY
FOR THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE
RESULTS.
>> Rosemary: WHAT WAS SUPPOSED
HAPPEN IS THAT THEY WERE GOING
TO ANNOUNCE IN ENGLISH AND
FRENCH FROM B.C. AND
NEWFOUNDLAND AND SORT OF MAKE IT
AN EVENT, NOT ONLY FOR THE
CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS BUT FOR
EVERYBODY TO BUILD SOME
EXCITEMENT INTO IT.
IT IS NOT UNLIKE WHAT THE
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION
TRIED TO DO, BUT THAT WAS OVER
THE COURSE OF MANY, MANY DAYS I
WOULD POINT OUT.
AND WITH VERY HIGH PRODUCTION
QUALITY.
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE THE
SAME THING HAPPENING HERE
TONIGHT.
IT DID SOUND THAT LISA RAITT --
FROM LISA RAITT, THEY WERE
LOOKING TO NOT MAKE IT SO LONG
AND DRAWN OUT PER REGION BECAUSE
THEY WILL KNOW THAT THERE ARE
TIME CONSTRAINTS ELSEWHERE.
OKAY, IS CATHERINE CULLEN
AVAILABLE?
BECAUSE I THINK THAT SHE'S
HEARING SOMETHING AROUND TIMING.
SO LET ME GO TO CATHERINE.
>> Reporter: CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> Rosemary: YES.
>> Reporter: SO LATER THAN
7:30 BUT STILL WAITING TO HEAR
HOW LONG.
THAT MIGHT NOT BE A SHOCK SINCE
7:30 IS THREE MINUTES AWAY BUT
THEY'RE TRYING TO HAMMER DOWN
THIS DELAY WILL BE AND AS YOU
SAY I THINK THAT THINGS WILL BE
CURTAILED AFTER THAT FIRST
ROUND, RAZZLE DAZZLE, IF IT
CONTINUES, THEY'LL TRY TO SHRINK
IT A LITTLE BIT.
MUCH LIKE THE ENVELOPE, THERE'S
SOME SORT OF JOKE THERE, I'M NOT
SURE HOW TO GET THERE.
[laughter]
>> Rosemary: WELL, IT REMINDS
ME OF THE OSCARS, REMEMBER THAT
TIME THEY READ THE WRONG WINNER?
WE HOPE THAT IT DOESN'T GET TO
THAT POINT.
WE WANT THEM TO HAVE THE RIGHT
RESULTS SO WE CAN ALL KNOW AND
MOVE ON.
>> Reporter: AND JUST TO THINK
THAT, I MEAN, IN SOME WAYS, YOU
KNOW, EIGHT MONTHS OF A
LEADERSHIP RACE THAT WAS ALREADY
PAUSED BY THE PANDEMIC AND THE
VOTE WAS DELAYED AND NOW IN
THESE FINAL FEW MOMENTS, ALL OF
THE SUSPENSE IS BUILDING ALL
THIS TIME.
SO MAYBE THAT IS SORT OF
CINEMATIC IN ITS OWN WAY THOUGH
YOU MIGHT DISPUTE THAT AFTER
LOOKING AT PICTURES OF THE
BALLOT VAULT.
I DON'T KNOW.
[laughter]
>> Rosemary: THERE WERE
CONCERNS WHETHER THERE WOULD BE
DRAMA OR MOMENTUM TO THIS MOMENT
WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT ONE FOR
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
AND SO THEY HAVE THOSE PESKY
ENVELOPES TO THANK FOR THE
ADDITIONAL DRAMA AND THE
ADDITIONAL WAIT.
THERE'S ALWAYS A SILVER LINING
DURING THESE COVID TIMES.
THANK YOU, CATHERINE AND WE'LL
COME BACK TO YOU.
I'LL BRING IN ÉRIC GRENIER, AND
TO UPDATE PEOPLE AS CATHERINE
SAID THERE, WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO
START AT 7:30, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE
IT WILL START.
AND WE COULD HEAR FROM ANDREW
SCHEER AND WAIT A BIT LONGER AND
WAIT TO SEE, AND I GUESS THEY
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE
CLOSE TO HAVING THIS SORTED AND
WE'LL TRY TO FIND OUT IF THAT IS
THE CASE.
LET'S JUST REMIND PEOPLE, ERIC,
WHAT THEY SHOULD WATCH FOR ON
THAT FIRST BALLOT, OTHER THAN
THE BIG NUMBER, THE 16,901,
WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU AN INSTANT
WINNER, WHAT ARE THE OTHER
THINGS THAT PEOPLE SHOULD WATCH
FOR AS WE GET THE FIRST BALLOT
RESULTS?
>> WELL, I THINK THAT THE FOCUS
IS GOING TO BE ON PETER
MacKAY'S NUMBER, WHETHER AS
YOU SAID HE GETS CLOSE TO THAT
16,901 POINTS THAT HE NEEDS TO
WIN, AND A LOT OF THE PEOPLE
HAVE TALKED ABOUT A 40% MARK.
THAT THE HIGHER HE IS OVER THAT,
THE BETTER CHANCES OF GETTING
ENOUGH SECOND AND THIRD-RANKED
BALLOT CHOICES TO GET OVER THE
50% MARK AND BELOW 40% IS WHERE
IT'S DIFFICULT FOR HIM.
EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE SEEN
FROM POLLING AND ALSO FROM THE
DYNAMICS OF THE RACE, PEOPLE WHO
ARE VOTING FOR DEREK SLOAN AND
LESLYN LEWIS ARE FAR MORE LIKELY
TO PUT ERIN O'TOOLE AHEAD OF
PETER MacKAY ON THEIR BALLOT.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER
FACTORS IS THE STRENGTH OF DEREK
SLOAN AND LESLYN LEWIS TWO
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATES.
THE TWO OF THEM COMBINED ARE
MORE THAN ERIN O'TOOLE OR PETER
MacKAY, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT
ONE OF THEM COULD BE ON THE LAST
BALLOT.
AT THAT POINT IT WOULD BE
DIFFICULT TO KNOW HOW IT WOULD
SHAKE OUT.
>> Rosemary: SAY, FOR
INSTANCE, WE DID NOT HEAR THE
TALLIES FROM EACH REGION AS THEY
HAD WANTED TO DO, THAT WOULD
BE -- IT WOULD BE HARD FOR US, I
GUESS, TO UNDERSTAND THEN WHERE
THE SUPPORT WAS.
LIKE, THAT WOULD GIVE US HINTS
AS WELL, WOULD IT NOT?
>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
WE DIDN'T GET THAT INFORMATION
BACK IN 2017, BUT BECAUSE THERE
WERE SO MANY CANDIDATES WOULD
HAVE TAKEN DAYS TO GET THOSE
RESULTS OUT.
BUT WE'LL GET THOSE RESULTS IF
THEY FOLLOW THE SAME PATTERN AS
2017, AFTER THE RACE IS OVER.
AND THEN WE MIGHT HAVE A BETTER
UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS ALL
SHAKES OUT.
BUT THE REGIONAL NUMBERS ARE
PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE SIG
CAN IN TERMS -- SIGNIFICANT THAN
IN 2017.
BECAUSE MAXIME BERNIER DIDN'T
HAVE CONCENTRATED SUPPORT, WHICH
IS DIFFERENT FOR THE PARTY THAT
DOESN'T HAVE THAT EAST/WEST
SPLIT.
AND EXPECTING MORE OF THAT KIND
OF SPLIT IN THIS RACE, SO THAT
REGIONAL DYNAMIC IS REALLY
IMPORTANT.
SO IF THE CONSERVATIVES RELEASE
THAT INFORMATION WE'LL HAVE A
GOOD IDEA OF HOW IT'S SHAKING
OUT, OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE
DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND JUST
WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>> Rosemary: WAS THERE A
REASON THEY DIDN'T DO THAT IN
2017?
BECAUSE THERE TOO MANY
CANDIDATES IN 2017, BUT A REASON
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SHARE THAT
PART OF IT?
>> I AM GUESSING BECAUSE IT
WOULD HAVE TAKEN SO LONG.
IT TOOK NEARLY HALF OF THE
BALLOTS TO GET OFF OF THE BALLOT
AND SOME OF THOSE CANDIDATES WHO
HAD LESS THAN 7% SUPPORT.
AND NOTHING REALLY CHANGED FROM
THAT PROCESS.
AND HERE EVERY SINGLE BALLOT IS
VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
>> Rosemary: OKAY.
SO WE WILL ACTUALLY -- EVEN
THOUGH IT WOULD BE LENGTHY, WE
DO WANT THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE
IT WOULD HELP US TO UNDERSTAND
HOW THE WINNER GOT TO WHERE THEY
ARE.
>> YEAH, AND I ALWAYS LIKE DATA
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET AS MUCH
AS WE CAN.
>> Rosemary: OF COURSE.
AND WE HOPE THAT FOR YOU AS WELL
AND WE HOPE THAT THINGS WILL
HAPPEN SHORTLY.
ÉRIC GRENIER, CALLING IN FROM
HOME, THANK YOU, ERIC.
AND WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU AND IF
WE EVER GET RESULTS WE'LL WANT
TO HEAR FROM YOU AS WELL.
I APPRECIATE IT.
BACK TO "POWER & POLITICS" HOST
VASSY KAPELOS AND CBC'S
CATHERINE CULLEN AND THEY'RE
GUIDING US THROUGH WHAT TURNED
INTO A MUCH LONGER EVENING THAN
ANY OF US COULD HAVE PREDICTED.
IF YOU SPENT ANY TIME IN
POLITICS YOU SHOULD NEVER ASSUME
THAT YOU'LL GET OUT OF ANYWHERE
ON TIME.
NEVER BOOK A DINNER IF YOU THINK
THAT ANYTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN
BECAUSE YOU'LL NEVER MAKE IT.
SO WE'LL SEE WHAT THIS MEANS FOR
THE REST OF EVENING BECAUSE
WE'LL HAVE "THE NATIONAL" COMING
UP LATER ON -- WE WERE TO BE AT
9:00 p.m. EASTERN AND WE'LL
SEE IF THAT STILL HAPPENS ON CBC
NEWS NETWORK BECAUSE OF THE
CONSTRAINTS HERE THAT WE'RE
DEALING WITH AND WHETHER THEY
CAN MAKE UP THE TIME OR NOT.
VASSY, ARE YOU HEARING ANYTHING
ABOUT TIMING CHANGES, ANYTHING
LIKE THAT?
>> Vassy: NO, JUST THE SAME AS
CATHERINE, THAT IT WOULD LIKELY
NOT START -- WELL, BREAKING NEWS
IT'S NOT STARTED AT 7:30 ON THE
DOT AND IT'S DELAYED AND JUST
WAITING TO FIND OUT BY HOW MUCH.
I TRIED TO GET A SENSE WITH
THOSE INVOLVED IN RECOUNTING AND
DEALING WITH THOSE TECHNICAL
DIFFICULTIES THAT BOTH CATHERINE
AND I WERE OUTLINING BEFORE
THIS.
AND I WAS TOLD THAT AROUND 6:00,
THAT ALL OF THE BALLOTS THAT HAD
BEEN -- THAT SOMETHING HAD
HAPPENED TO, THROUGH THE
ENVELOPES THAT HAD BEEN RIPPED
AND SOME IN HALF HAD BEEN
REPAIRED AND THEY WERE SENT TO
WHERE THEY WERE BEING REVIEWED
AND THEN HAD TO BE PUT ON NEW
BALLOTS AND I'M TRYING TO GAUGE
HOW MANY ARE AFFECTED BECAUSE
THAT'S A KEY QUESTION.
BECAUSE 6:00 IS NOT THAT LONG
AGO AND IF THEY HAD TO BE PUT --
IF WE'RE TALKING THOUSANDS --
AND I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE AND I
WILL HOPELY FIND OUT SOON.
BUT THEY HAVE TO BE PUT ON A NEW
BALLOT AND RECOUNTED.
SO THAT COULD BE WHAT IS TAKING
SOME TIME BUT I'M NOT SURE OF
THE NUMBER OF BALLOTS THAT WERE
DESTROYED -- SORRY, WERE
AFFECTED.
SO ONCE WE FIND THAT OUT WE
MIGHT BE ABLE TO GAUGE HOW BIG A
PROBLEM THEY HAD TO DEAL WITH.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, I GUESS
THAT THE OTHER ISSUE HERE IS
BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH RIDING
ON THIS, DO WE GET TO A PLACE,
YOU KNOW, GOD FORBID, DO WE GET
TO A PLACE WHERE IT'S NOT JUST
SCRUTINEERS, MOST SCRUTINEERS
ARE LAWYERS, BUT WHERE LAWYERS
GET INVOLVED AND THIS BECOMES A
LONGER PROCESS.
THERE'S NO INDICATION OF THAT
YET BUT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING
THAT ANY PARTY, FRANKLY, WANTS
TO DEAL WITH AND THEY CERTAINLY
DON'T WANT A SITUATION WHERE
PEOPLE ARE CONTESTING THE
RESULTS OR HOW THE VOTES WERE
PROCESSED.
SO THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF THAT
THEY'RE TRYING TO AVOID FOR NOW
AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS
HAPPENS CLEANLY, I IMAGINE.
>> Vassy: EXACTLY RIGHT.
THAT'S WHY THERE ARE
SCRUTINEERS, PEOPLE FROM VARIOUS
CAMPS AND CAMPAIGNS THERE TO
WATCH AS THAT PROCESS TAKES
PLACE.
BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT,
THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF
STUFF.
AND HOW MANY ELECTIONS HAVE WE
COVERED, NOT JUST IN THIS
COUNTRY BUT IN PARTICULAR
ELSEWHERE WHERE THOSE KINDS OF
ISSUES END UP HAVING A HUGE
IMPACT ON THE OUTCOME OR
DISPUTED OUTCOME IN THE FUTURE.
SO THAT IS OF UTMOST CONCERN, AT
LEAST TO THE PEOPLE IN THE PARTY
WHO I'M TALKING TO RIGHT NOW.
AS I HAD MENTIONED JUST A BIT
BEFORE, THERE ARE PEOPLE WITHIN
THE VARIOUS CAMPS WHO THIS PUTS
THEM -- YOU KNOW, THEIR SPIDEY
SENSES UP AND THEY ARE A BIT
NERVOUS ABOUT IT.
AND AGAIN IT DEPENDS ON THE
VOLUME OF THOSE BALLOTS BUT AS
WELL, JUST ANY KIND OF ISSUES --
I MEAN, THE BALLOTS ARE ACTUALLY
TORN, RIGHT?
THEY'RE AFFECTED IN A BIG WAY
AND THEY HAVE TO BE PUT ON A
CARD AND RECOUNTED.
SO IT'S AN ONEROUS PROCESS
TECHNICALLY AND OBVIOUSLY THE
PARTY IS DOING WHAT IT CAN TO
ASSURE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THOSE
CONCERNS THAT EVERYTHING IS
LEGITIMATE.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU
KNOW, TYPICALLY WOULD BRING THE
LAWYERS IN AT A CERTAIN POINT IF
THINGS DIDN'T GO PERFECTLY
SMOOTH.
SO EVERYONE IS ON PINS AND
NEEDLES RIGHT NOW AND TRYING TO
GAUGE THE DEPTH OF THIS PROBLEM
AND WHEN OR IF IT CAN BE FIXED.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, AND I GUESS
THAT ALL OF THE SCRUTINEERS AND
THE TEAM REPRESENTATIVES INSIDE
OF THAT ROOM ALL HAVE TO BE
COMFORTABLE IN ORDER FOR THINGS
TO START GOING.
OKAY, MAYBE I'LL BRING IN
CATHERINE TO SEE WHETHER YOU'RE
HEARING ANYTHING DIFFERENT,
ANYTHING THE SAME, WHETHER YOU
CAN ADD ANYTHING TO WHAT WE'RE
HEARING THERE, CATHERINE?
>> Reporter: IT'S A LOT, AS
YOU CAN IMAGINE, I THINK THAT IT
REFLECTS MAYBE A BIT OF PANIC ON
THE PART OF THE CONSERVATIVES
RIGHT NOW, UNDERSTANDABLY, AS
THINGS ARE NOT GOING ACCORDING
TO PLAN.
HEARING FROM ONE PERSON INVOLVED
IN THE ANNOUNCEMENT THEY ARE
TOLD OF A SIGNIFICANT DELAY AND
WE COULD LOOK AT ANOTHER HOUR
AND THEN THE OFFICIALS SAY
THEY'RE NOT READY TO CONFIRM.
SO BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND
FORTH, CLEARLY, AS VASSY SAID
IT'S NOT HAPPENING AT 7:30,
ROSEMARY.
AND THERE'S A REAL IMPORTANCE ON
GETTING THIS RIGHT AND PART OF
THE CHALLENGE HERE, OF COURSE,
IS THAT, A, THEY ARE DEALING
WITH, YOU KNOW, A NEW PIECE OF
THE SYSTEM, IN THIS CASE THE
ENVELOPES CAUSING PROBLEMS, BUT
ON TOP OF THAT ALL OF THE
COMPLICATIONS OF COVID.
AGAIN, THEY HAVE WAITED EIGHT
MONTHS TO GET TO THIS POINT.
SO NOW EVERYBODY HAS A HORSE IN
THE GAME AND EVERYONE WATCHING
HAS A HORSE IN THE RACE,
ACTUALLY, THAT'S WHY I DON'T USE
METAPHORS, ROSIE.
WE'RE STARTING TO HEAR SNIPPETS
OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE HEARING FROM
THE PERSON TALKING TO THE PERSON
WHO IS IN ROOM AT THE TIME.
SCRUTINEERS WHO HAVE SEEN SOME
BALLOTS BUT HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE
WHOLE PICTURE.
OF COURSE, THAT'S COMPLICATED
BECAUSE OF THE VARIOUS
COMPONENTS OF THIS, THE RANKED
BALLOT, AND THEN THE ALGORITHM
THAT ERIC TALKED ABOUT AS WELL,
TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE
COUNTRY HAS A FAIR SAY.
>> Rosemary: TO REMIND PEOPLE,
WELL, THE LAST TIME THAT I
EXPERIENCED IN 2012 AT THE
N.D.P. CONVENTION, THAT WAS
ONLINE VOTING, WHERE, AGAIN,
THERE WAS A DENIAL OF SERVICE
ATTACK, THOUSANDS OF COMPUTERS
ATTACKED THE PROCESS.
SO I THINK -- I THINK THAT --
AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY THIS NOW
AND JINX US, BUT I THINK THE
FINAL BALLOT RESULTS WERE
DELAYED SOMETHING LIKE SIX
HOURS.
SO NO PROCESS IS FAIL-SAFE FOR
SURE, AND MAYBE EVEN PAPER
PROCESS IS A LITTLE MORE SECURE
IN SOME WAYS.
THAT'S WHY NO ONE HAS MOVED TO
ONLINE VOTING YET BECAUSE THIS
WAS A GENERAL STATE OF CHAOS FOR
THE PARTY WHEN THAT HAPPENED AND
OBVIOUSLY OUT OF THEIR CONTROL
AS WELL, CATHERINE.
>> Reporter: IT'S WORTH
TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT
IS OVERSHADOWING A BIGGER
SUCCESS STORY FOR THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY, RIGHT, WHICH
IS THE SHEER NUMBER OF PEOPLE
VOTING.
ALMOST 175,000 BALLOTS RECEIVED
AND THAT IS A RECORD, NOT ONLY
FOR THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY WHO
ALREADY HELD THE RECORD BUT FOR
ANY LEADERSHIP RACE.
AND YOU HAVE HEARD FROM
OFFICIALS SAYING THAT THIS IS A
PLEASANT SURPRISE.
BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF
THE PANDEMIC AND AT ONE POINT IT
PAUSED THE LEADERSHIP RACE, IT
PUSHED BACK THE FINAL VOTE, BUT
THEY WEREN'T SURE TO WHAT EXTENT
THAT THE CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS
WOULD BE ENGAGED.
IN FACT, THEY HAD REALLY STRONG
VOTER TURNOUT AND A
RECORD-BREAKING NUMBER OF
BALLOTS.
AND MANAGING ALL OF THOSE
BALLOTS IN THIS COMPLEX TIME
WHERE THEY HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING
BY MAIL WHEN PREVIOUSLY THAT'S
ONLY PART OF THE STORY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY WOULD HAVE
HOPED TO HAVE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT, WELL, NOT AT THIS MOMENT,
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW AT THIS MOMENT
THEY WOULD HOPED THAT WE HAVE A
CONSERVATIVE LEADER THAT IS NEW.
AND THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN
TALKING ABOUT AND NOW THAT IS
OVERSHADOWED BY THE
TECHNICALITIES OF THE SIZE OF
THE ENVELOPES AND THE MACHINES
RIPPING THEM OPEN,
UNFORTUNATELY.
>> Rosemary: THOUGH THIS WILL
ALL BE PRESUMABLY BE FORGOTTEN
WHEN WE HAVE A NEW LEADER.
>> EITHER THAT OR PIGEONS.
>> Rosemary: THAT'S RIGHT.
BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS A
HICCUP, I GUESS, IN A MOMENT
WHEN THE PARTY HAD SEEMINGLY
MANAGED TO PULL THIS OFF DURING
A PANDEMIC.
AND IT'S HAVING SUPPORT FOR
OTHER PARTIES WHO ARE DEALING
WITH SIMILAR THINGS.
IT COULD BE A LESSON FOR
ELECTIONS, NEW BRUNSWICK, OF
COURSE, ARE DEALING WITH THE
FIRST PANDEMIC ELECTION COMING
UP.
VASSY, YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION
BEFORE I BRING BACK "AT ISSUE"?
>> Vassy: HEARING THAT IT IS
QUITE SUBSTANTIVE.
SO A FEW THOUSAND BALLOTS WERE
DAMAGED THROUGH THAT ENVELOPE
PROCESS.
AND THEN, AGAIN, THEY NEEDED TO
BE PUT TOGETHER BY HAND AND I'M
TOLD THAT EVEN THAT WAS FAIRLY
COMPLICATED BECAUSE THERE'S BAR
CODES THAT YOU HAVE TO MATCH UP
KIND OF PERFECTLY.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE A QUICK SCOTCH
TAPE EXPERIMENT THAT IS FED IN.
AND THIS IS FAIRLY TECHNICAL BUT
TO GIVE PEOPLE A SENSE OF THE
ISSUE THAT THE PARTY IS DEALING
WITH RIGHT NOW.
SO IT HAS TO BE PUT BACK
TOGETHER AND RE-FED, AND IF THAT
DIDN'T WORK THEY HAVE TO PUT IT
ON A NEW BALLOT AND THAT HAS TO
BE SUPERVISED FROM PEOPLE FROM
THE PARTY AS WELL AS EACH OF THE
VARIOUS CAMPAIGNS.
SO IT'S NOT A QUICK PROCESS.
SO IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT,
OBVIOUSLY, IN THE CONTEXT OF
175,000 VOTES, A FEW THOUSAND IS
NOT ENORMOUS BUT IT'S ENOUGH TO
TAKE A WHILE, RIGHT?
AND ESPECIALLY IF IT DIDN'T
HAPPEN UNTIL LATER IN THE DAY.
SO THAT'S HELPING US TO
UNDERSTAND A BIT OF WHY WE ARE
ALREADY 10 MINUTES PAST THE
SECOND TIME THAT WAS SET FOR THE
BEGINNING OF THIS PROGRAMME.
AND WELL HEADING TOWARDS A
TWO-HOUR DELAY ALREADY AND
POTENTIALLY MORE.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, I AM ALSO
HEARING -- AND A COUPLE OTHER
PEOPLE ARE HEARING AS WELL THAT
IT COULD BE A START TIME OF
9:00 p.m. NOW.
SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER HOUR
AND A HALF OF US TALKING ABOUT
THE FUTURE OF THIS PARTY.
AND THE COUNTRY.
AND SO WE'LL GET OTHER PEOPLE ON
STAND-BY TO BRING THEM IN TO
TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE HEARING.
SO SIGNIFICANT DELAYS.
I THINK THAT HANNAH IS STANDING
BY WITH MORE INFORMATION OR
POTENTIALLY A GUEST, HANNAH?
>> Hannah: YEAH, HI, ROSIE,
I'M GATHERING INFORMATION
BECAUSE I'M LISTENING TO YOU AND
VASSY AND CATHERINE TALKING
ABOUT THE DELAYS AND WHAT WE'RE
HEARING, YES, THAT THERE IS
ANOTHER DELAY AGAIN.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT
DELAY IS GOING TO BE.
THIS IS FROM SOMEONE ON THE
LEADERSHIP ORGANIZING COMMITTEE.
BUT THEY ARE RIGHT NOW TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT HOW THEY CAN STILL
START THIS SHOW AND START IT
SOON, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE
HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THIS
BALLOT.
NOW I WAS LISTENING TO VASSY
RIGHT THERE AND I WAS JUST
TALKING WITH SOMEONE WHO IS IN
CHARGE OF THE BALLOTING AND WHAT
IS HAPPENING.
THESE BALLOTS GOT RIPPED WHEN
THEY WERE OPENED BY THE MACHINE.
I'M HEARING THAT IT'S 800
BALLOTS THAT GOT RIPPED AND THEY
HAVE TO ACTUALLY -- IF THEY WERE
TOO DAMAGED THEY HAVE TO RE-FILL
OUT A NEW BALLOT, A COMPLETE NEW
BALLOT, AND ALL OF THOSE
SCRUTINEERS HAVE TO BE AROUND
FOR EACH OF THE DIFFERENT
LEADERSHIP CAMPS TO ENSURE THAT
IT'S FILLED OUT PROPERLY.
IF IT'S FOR ONE CANDIDATE THAT
WAS VOTED FOR THEY NEED TO HAVE
THAT FILLED OUT EXACTLY THE SAME
WAY.
SO I WAS TALKING TO EACH OF THE
DIFFERENT LEADERSHIP CAMPS, AND
THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT
THIS.
IT'S JUST A DELAY.
SO THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT
THE PROBLEMS WITH THE BALLOTS
BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR
SCRUTINEERS ON THE GROUND THERE
AND THOSE SCRUTINEERS ARE
ENSURING THAT THOSE BALLOTS ARE
COMPLETED AS THEY WERE
ORIGINALLY SENT IN.
I'M GOING TO JUST LOOK AT MY
PHONE BECAUSE I'M SENDING OUT A
LOT OF MESSAGES HERE ABOUT
WHAT'S HAPPENING OVER THE NEXT
LITTLE BIT.
LATEST IS THAT, YES, THERE'S
ANOTHER DELAY AND WE DON'T KNOW
WHY THAT DELAY IS.
IF THERE'S MORE BALLOTS THAT HAD
THAT PROBLEM OF BEING RIPPED BUT
ALSO, ROSIE, ONE OF THE OTHER
THINGS THAT I WAS TOLD ABOUT
THESE BALLOTS IS WHEN THEY GET
SENT IN, SOMETIMES THE X THROUGH
THE NUMBER ISN'T MARKED IN
ENOUGH.
SO THEY HAVE TO GO IN SO THAT
THE MACHINE CAN READ IT PROPERLY
AND THEY HAVE TO FILL IT OUT
AGAIN, THE SCRUTINEERS HAVE TO
BE THERE TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF
THAT IS HAPPENING.
BUT, YES, THERE IS ANOTHER
DELAY.
BUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW
IS THEY'RE SITTING AROUND AND
THEY'RE TRYING TO SETTLE HOW
THEY'RE GOING TO START THE SHOW.
SO I'M WATCHING MY PHONE AND I'M
CONTINUING TO TALK TO MY PERSON
AND I'LL BRING IT BACK TO YOU AS
SOON AS I GET IT.
>> Rosemary: HANNAH, THANK YOU
SO MUCH FOR THAT.
SO WE'RE HEARING NOW THAT THE
SHOW, THE ENTIRE PROGRAMME,
PROBABLY DELAYED UNTIL 9:00
p.m. EASTERN.
REMEMBER THIS WAS TO START AT
6:00 p.m. EASTERN.
AND WE HAD HEARD THAT IT MIGHT
START AT 7:30.
THAT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE
HAPPENING NOW.
THERE'S BEEN NO OFFICIAL PARTY
CONFIRMATION OF THIS AT THIS
STAGE, THIS IS JUST A VARIETY OF
PEOPLE SUGGESTING THIS TO US.
THAT THERE IS A NEW START TIME
OF 9:00 p.m., WHICH MEANS THAT
WE BEGIN THE PROGRAMME WITH THE
TRIBUTE TO THE OUTGOING LEADER
ANDREW SCHEER, A SPEECH FROM
HIM.
AND THEN MOVE INTO RESULTS,
WHICH PERHAPS WOULD HAPPEN ON A
FASTER PACE THAN HAD BEEN
INITIALLY THOUGHT OUT BECAUSE WE
ARE GETTING INTO LATER HOURS AND
NEAR, OF COURSE, TV NEWSCAST
DEADLINES WHICH IS OF
CONSIDERATION FOR -- CERTAINLY
FOR THE POLITICAL PARTIES THAT
WANT TO LEAD THE NEWSCAST AND
HAVE PEOPLE TO PAY ATTENTION TO
THEM.
SO WE WILL BRING YOU MORE
INFORMATION AS WE GET IT.
BUT THAT IS THE LATEST IN TERMS
OF TIMING HERE THAT WE ARE
POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT ANOTHER
HOUR AND 15 MINUTES.
SO ON THAT NOTE, LET'S BRING
BACK "AT ISSUE" AND ANDREW AND
ALTHIA AND CHANTAL.
THEY USUALLY GET LIKE 10, 12
MINUTES ON "THE NATIONAL" AND WE
REGULARLY HEAR FROM PEOPLE ON
TWITTER THAT IT'S JUST NOT
ENOUGH TIME AND I COULDN'T AGREE
MORE.
SO HERE THEY ARE.
THEY'VE GOT AN HOUR AND 15
MINUTES -- NO, I'M JUST
KIDDING -- BUT A SUBSTANTIVE
AMOUNT OF TIME NOW TO TALK ABOUT
WHATEVER THEY WANT TO TALK
ABOUT.
>> YOU WILL REGRET THOSE WORDS.
[laughter]
>> Rosemary: WELL, NOW YOU
SPOKE FIRST, SO YOU CAN START
FIRST THEN.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WHY DON'T
YOU -- HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED
SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU WERE
THERE IN 2012 AT THE N.D.P.
THING AND OTHER DELAYS LIKE
THIS, ANDREW?
>> WELL, IF THERE'S ONE RULE
MORE IRON CLAD THAN LEADERSHIP
CONVENTIONS USING ANY KIND OF
ELECTRONIC VOTING OR COUNTING
WILL SCREW UP, IS THAT THE
DELAYS WILL ALWAYS BE TWO OR
THREE TIMES LONGER THAN YOU'RE
INITIALLY TOLD.
[laughter]
SO IT SEEMS TO HAPPEN VIRTUALLY
EVERY CONVENTION.
AND IT'S THE LEAST OF THE SINS
THAT CAN BE LAID AGAINST THE
NAME OF THESE ONE-MEMBER,
ONE-VOTE LEADERSHIP CONTESTS.
BECAUSE, YEAH, WE'VE GOT A
FARCICAL SITUATION RIGHT NOW, I
DON'T KNOW THE NO DRY RUNS, NO
RUNS TO SEE THIS THESE THINGS
WORK OR NOT.
AND YOU GET A LEADER ELECTED AS
I SAID BEFORE BY TENS OF
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WITH NO
CONNECTION TO THE PARTY WHO
SIGNED UP AT THE LAST SECOND.
AND THE LEADER THEN LEADS THE
CAUCUS THAT HAD NO CHOICE IN
COLLECTING THAT LEADER AND IN
MANY CASES THE LEADER DOESN'T
HAVE THAT MUCH CONNECTION TO THE
BASE OF THE PARTY, THE PEOPLE
WITH THE PARTY FOR YEARS AND
YEARS.
AND LEADERSHIP AFTER LEADERSHIP
THEY KEEP RUNNING INTO THESE
DISASTERS OF LEADERS WHO AREN'T
CONNECTED TO THE PARTY OR CAN'T
REALLY SPEAK FOR THE PARTY AND
NO ONE SAYS, WAIT A MINUTE,
MAYBE WE NEED TO EXAMINE THE
PROCESS.
MAYBE THIS IDEA THAT THIS WOULD
BE MORE DEMOCRATIC BY GOING TO A
ONE-MEMBER, ONE-VOTE SYSTEM,
WHERE THE PEOPLE WHO ELECT --
THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE, IF YOU
WILL, THAT ELECTS THOSE LEADERS
DISAPPEARS THAT DAY AND LEAVING
THE LEADER ACCOUNTABLE TO NOBODY
AFTERWARDS, MAYBE THIS WASN'T A
GOOD IDEA AFTERWARDS.
>> Rosemary: THIS IS WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE TIME, THIS
IS ONE OF ANDREW'S THINGS, WITH
BUG-A-BOOS, THIS IS WHAT HE
WRITES A LOT ABOUT.
>> BECAUSE I HAVE EVIDENCE.
>> Rosemary: AND, CHANTAL, YOU
MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD SOMETHING
MORE ON THIS.
WHEREVER YOU WANT TO GO.
>> YES, BUT IT WASN'T RELATED TO
ELECTRONICS.
IT WAS RELATED TO THE TWO
CANDIDATES ENDING UP WITH THE
SAME NUMBER OF VOTES IF YOU'RE
GOING TO DROP A CANDIDATE FROM A
BALLOT.
YOU NEED ONE TO HAVE LESS VOTES
THAN THE OTHER.
IT WENT ON FOR HOURS.
AND THERE WERE NO MACHINES
INVOLVED.
BUT TO ANDREW'S POINT, WHICH IS
WELL TAKEN, BUT THERE IS ALSO,
YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO BACK TO WHAT
PEOPLE CONSIDER THE GOOD OLD
DAYS -- AND I COVERED -- I HATE
TO ADMIT IT BECAUSE IT PUTS A
STAMP, AN AGE STAMP ON ME, BUT I
WAS THERE FOR THE CONVENTION
THAT SELECTED THE SUCCESSOR TO
PIERRE TRUDEAU.
SO THAT BATTLE.
AND AT THOSE CONVENTIONS,
SO-CALLED DELEGATED CONVENTIONS,
THE RIDINGS WOULD SEND DELEGATES
WHO WOULD REFLECT WHATEVER THE
RIDING FELT OR WHATEVER THEY
FELT LIKE DOING, BUT A THIRD OF
THE VOTES WERE SO-CALLED VOTES
WERE THE ESTABLISHMENT.
SO SENATORS, AND M.P.s, AND SO
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE
ESTABLISHMENT STILL HAD A VOICE
THAT WAS LOUDER THAN THE PEOPLE
WHO ACTUALLY LICKED STAMPS, IN
THOSE DAYS, AND ASKED FOR MONEY.
AND SO WE WENT FROM THERE, WHICH
WAS NOT A GREAT SYSTEM, TO THE
LET'S CALL IN AS MANY MEMBERS AS
WE CAN.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE'LL TURN
THE CLOCK BACK ON THAT AND ONE
OF THE REASONS THAT WE WON'T IS
BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THE PARTIES TO
BUILD A SOLID BANK OF CONTACTS
AND PEOPLE TO FUNDRAISE OFF OF.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, I MEAN, I
GUESS THAT THE CONSERVATIVE
LOGIC TO THIS IS THAT IT
INVOLVES THE GRASSROOTS
DIRECTLY.
I GUESS THAT ANDREW'S POINT IS
THAT IT DOESN'T.
THAT THERE'S NEW PEOPLE THEY TRY
TO SCOOP UP.
BUT I'LL GET YOU TO WEIGH IN ON
THAT, ALTHIA, AND THEN ANDREW.
BECAUSE IT DOES MAKE PEOPLE NOW
-- IF YOU LOOK AT THE TURNOUT
YOU WOULD ASSUME THAT MEANS THAT
PEOPLE ARE ENGAGED, THE PEOPLE
INSIDE THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY
ARE MORE ENGAGED.
>> WELL, THE GOAL IS THAT ALL OF
THOSE NEW PEOPLE WHO SWELLED
YOUR PARTY ROLLS AND HAVE
DONATED TO PARTY COFFERS,
BECAUSE A PART OF WHAT YOU
DONATE TO A CANDIDATE GOES TO
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY
HEADQUARTERS -- THE GOAL IS THAT
THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET
ENGAGED IN THEIR RIDING
ASSOCIATION.
THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THE
VOLUNTEERS IN ALL OF THE 338
RIDINGS ACROSS COUNTRY, WHO WILL
BE KNOCKING ON THE DOORS AND
SIGNING UP NEW ELECTORS.
YOU KNOW, PREACHING THE
CONSERVATIVE GOSPEL ACROSS THE
COUNTRY.
THAT IS THE GOAL.
WHETHER OR NOT THAT SYSTEM
FUNCTIONS I THINK AS IT IS
INTENDED IS PERHAPS MORE AN
ISSUE OF MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE
THE RIGHT LEADER AND MAYBE YOU
DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT POLICY AND
MAYBE THE PARTY'S RELATIONSHIP
WITH THE GRASSROOTS ISN'T GREAT.
BUT AT THE CORE I DON'T THINK
THAT IT'S WRONG OR BAD THAT
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO GET
ENGAGED IN THE ELECTION
CAMPAIGNS.
AND THE PROBLEM IS THEY SUDDENLY
DECIDE THAT THEIR LESSONS ARE UP
AND THEY LEAVE.
THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THAT
ANDREW'S ARGUMENT IS BASICALLY
THE ARGUMENT THAT ALBERTA
PREMIER JASON KENNEY HAS BEEN
MAKING.
I THINK THAT FOUR TIMES, IF I'M
CORRECT, IN THE LAST 20 YEARS ON
THE FLOOR OF THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY CONVENTIONS.
AND THIS IS THE BIG BATTLE, OR
IT WAS THE BIG BATTLE BETWEEN
JASON KENNEY AND PETER MacKAY
AND THE DESIRE FROM THE MacKAY
CAMP TO KEEP THE SYSTEM THAT HE
HAD NEGOTIATED BACK IN 2003 AS A
FOUNDATIONAL PRINCIPLE OF THE
MERGER OF THE THREE PARTIES TO
HAVE REPRESENTATION THAT,
MR. MacKAY BELIEVED AT THE
TIME, THAT WOULD ENSURE THAT
PERHAPS HE WOULD WIN.
WE'LL SEE WHETHER OR NOT THAT
HAPPENS THIS EVENING.
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN TWEAKS TO
THAT SYSTEM.
I THINK THAT IT WAS SCOTT REID
IN THE LAST -- IN 2011 AT THE
PARTY CONVENTION, WHO BROUGHT IN
A SYSTEM THAT SAID, WELL, YOU
KNOW, I THINK THAT -- THIS IS
COT REID, OBVIOUSLY, I THINK
THAT IT'S NOT RIGHT FOR, YOU
KNOW, FOR A RIDING IN ALBERTA
THAT HAS 5,000 MEMBERS TO HAVE
THE SAME WEIGHT AS A RIDING IN
P.E.I. WITH FIVE MEMBERS.
AND MAYBE THERE'S A WAY OF
MIXING THOSE TWO SYSTEMS SO THAT
FOR EVERY HUNDRED MEMBERS EXTRA
YOU HAVE IN ALBERTA YOU HAVE ONE
ADDITIONAL POINT OR SOME TYPE OF
SYSTEM.
AND TO NOT SUPPORT IT.
SO THE MEMBERSHIP HAS SPOKEN OUT
AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN THAT
THEY DO NOT WANT A ONE-MEMBER
VOTE.
>> Rosemary: CHANTAL AND THEN
ANDREW.
>> MAYBE ONE DAY HE WANTED TO BE
LEADER AND THAT THE FORMER
PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVES DID
NOT WANT TO BE SWAMPED AT EVERY
LEADERSHIP CONVENTION BY MEMBERS
FROM THE WEST.
NOW I INVITE YOU TO CONSIDER THE
NOTION THAT THIS PARTY HAS DONE
REALLY WELL IN ALBERTA AND
SASKATCHEWAN AND REALLY POORLY
IN QUÉBEC AND NOT SO WELL IN
ONTARIO.
AND THE NOTION THAT THE DECISION
WOULD BE AMONG ACTUAL MEMBERS,
ONE MEMBER, ONE VOTE, NO
QUALIFICATION PER RIDING, IS
BASICALLY TO SAY THAT THE PEOPLE
WHO REALLY LIKED ANDREW SCHEER
SHOULD PROBABLY VOTE HIM BACK
FOR LEADER.
BECAUSE IT'S A ONE PERSON, ONE
VOTE SYSTEM, WHICH IS THAT IF
YOU HAVE SOMEONE -- IT DOESN'T
NEED TO BE THE ORIGINAL, AND WHO
IS A ROCK STAR AND CAN SIGN UP
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN HIS
NEIGHBOURHOOD IN TORONTO OR
ELSEWHERE, THAT PERSON BECOMES
THE LEADER OF ONE OF CANADA'S
MAIN PARTIES.
I'M NOT SURE -- I'M NOT SURE
THAT THE PARTIES WANT TO HAVE
ROCK STARS SIGN UP ALL OF THEIR
SOCIAL MEDIA FOLLOWING AND TAKE
OVER THEIR PARTY WHICH WOULD BE
I THINK THE WORST PEOPLE.
>> Rosemary: WHO CAN'T GET
ELECTED BROADLY.
>> I THINK THAT TO YOUR POINT,
CHANTAL, IF YOU HAVE A ONE
MEMBER, ONE VOTE SYSTEM, YOU
ENCOURAGE SUSTAINED SUPPORT IN A
PART OF THE COUNTRY WHERE YOU'RE
REALLY, REALLY POPULAR AND YOU
DON'T GROW IN THE AREAS THAT YOU
NEED TO GROW TO WIN AN ELECTION.
>> Rosemary: I WILL LET ANDREW
GET IN BEFORE I TAKE A QUICK
BREAK, BECAUSE THEY'RE LETTING
ME TO TAKE A COMMERCIAL BREAK.
ANDREW?
>> AND THEY'LL HAVE A LOT TO DO
WITH WHAT YOU THINK THAT THE
LEADER'S JOB IS.
IF YOU THINK THAT THE JOB OF THE
LEADER OF THE PARTY IS TO LEAD
THAT PARTY IN PARLIAMENT, IF YOU
THINK THAT PARLIAMENT MATTERS
AND THE MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT
MATTERS, THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE
CAUCUS TO CHOOSE THE NEW LEADER.
THE DECLINE OF THE MEMBERS OF
PARLIAMENT BEGAN WHEN WE STARTED
ELECTING LEADERS BY THIS PHONY
POPULOUS METHOD OF ONE MEMBER,
ONE VOTE, OR DELEGATED
CONVENTIONS FOR THAT MATTER.
BUT WHEN M.P.s -- WHEN THE
MEMBERS OF THE CAUCUS GET TO
CHOOSE THE LEADER THEY HAVE TO
BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THOSE M.P.s,
NOT JUST ON THE DAY OF THE VOTE
BUT EVERY DAY IN BETWEEN.
THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED JUSTIN
TRUDEAU, FOR EXAMPLE, AREN'T
EVEN MEMBERS OF THE PARTY.
THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED ANDREW
SCHEER, AND ESPECIALLY FROM THE
QUÉBEC AREAS, YOU THINK THAT
THEY'RE STICKING AROUND TO LICK
ENVELOPES?
NO, IT'S A PHONY SYSTEM AND IT'S
NOT A GENUINE ACCOUNTABLE TYPE
OF DEMOCRACY AND AS I SAY YOU
HAVE LEADERS WHO ARE REPUGNANT
TO THE CAUCUS WHO HAVE VERY
LITTLE CONNECTION TO THE PARTY
BASE AT LARGE AND ULTIMATELY
WIND UP BECOMING NOT
PARTICULARLY SUCCESSFUL LEADERS.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, I'VE GOT TO
LEAVE IT THERE BUT THAT WAS
PRETTY ENGAGING, I MUST SAY.
YOU KEEP DOWNPLAYING THAT YOU
HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, BUT THAT
WAS AN INTERESTING OVERVIEW OF
HOW THIS SHOULD SHAKE DOWN.
YOU ALL HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I'LL
BE BACK TO YOU AS YOU CAN WELL
IMAGINE IF WE ARE NOW HEADING
TOWARDS 9:00 p.m. EASTERN.
ALL DIALLING IN FROM HOME.
THIS IS IT, THIS IS WHERE THINGS
ARE SUPPOSED TO UNFOLD IN ABOUT
AN HOUR'S TIME AND THIS IS THE
SHAW CENTRE IN DOWNTOWN OTTAWA.
THE RESULTS HAVE BEEN DELAYED
NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY A
3 HOUR DELAY BEFORE THE
PROGRAMME BEGINS.
AND A LITTLE BIT LONGER BEFORE
WE GET FIRST ROUND BALLOT
RESULTS.
YOU'RE WATCHING CBC NEWS CBC NEK
AND CBC TELEVISION AND OUR
COVERAGE OF THE CONSERVATIVE
LEADERSHIP RACE CONTINUES HERE.
I'M ROSEMARY BARTON.
KEEP WATCHING.
WE'LL BE BACK.
(♪♪♪)
>> Rosemary: HI THERE, WELCOME
BACK.
I'M ROSEMARY BARTON HERE ON CBC
TELEVISION AND CBC NEWS NETWORK.
YOU ARE WATCHING OUR SPECIAL
COVERAGE OF THE CONSERVATIVE
LEADERSHIP CONVENTION, I ALMOST
GAVE YOU AT ABBREVIATION THERE.
WE'RE WAITING TO FIND OUT WHO
WILL BE CANADA'S NEXT LEADER OF
THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
RESULTS, IN CASE YOU ARE JUST
TUNE NORTH HAVE BEEN DELAYED.
WE'RE HEARING THEY COULD COME
SOME TIME IN THE NEXT HOUR
PERHAPS THE PROGRAMME MIGHT GET
UNDERWAY BEFORE THAT WHICH WOULD
INCLUDE A TRIBUTE TO THE
OUTGOING LEADER ANDREW SCHEER.
THE RESULT, THE FIRST ROUND
BALLOT RESULTS PROBABLY NOT
RELEASED NOW UNTIL 9:00 P.M.
EASTERN.
REMEMBER, THE PARTY HAS HAD
ALMOST 175,000 BALLOTS, THAT'S
ABOUT A 65% TURNOUT FOR PARTY
MEMBERS.
VOTE IN TERMS OF WHO WILL TAKE
OVER FOR ANDREW SCHEER, AND
THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES IN
TEARING OPEN TH ENVELOPES
CAUSING THE SCRUTINY FROM THE
INDIVIDUAL CAMPS AND PARTY
OFFICIALS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY
GET THOSE BALLOTS COUNTED IN THE
RIGHT WAY BEFORE THEY ARE RUN
THROUGH WHAT ARE ESSENTIALLY
VOTE TABULATORS THAT COUNT THE
BALLOT, WHICH IS A RANKED BALLOT
AND MAKE SURE THEY GO IN THERE
SACK RATTILY.
NOT REALLY UNFOLDING THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY HAD WANTED
PREDICTED IN TERMS OF THE EASE
OF THIS.
RESULTS WILL COME AND THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY OBVIOUSLY
WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE
ACCURATE WHEN THEY ARE FINALLY
RELEASED.
LET'S GO TO THE CBC'S HANNAH
THIBEDEAU, SHE'S IN THE
WEST-END, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO
THE SHAW CENTRE WHERE THE SPEECH
WILL HAPPEN BY ANDREW SCHEER AND
THE NEW LEADER.
THE CAMPS, THE CANDIDATE CAMPS
ARE INSIDE THAT HOTEL WAITING, I
GUESS, ANXIOUSLY, FOR SOME OF
THOSE RESULTS TO START TO BE
RELEASED.
>> Hannah: YEAH, OF COURSE.
SO YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE
PROCESSING OF THOSE BALLOTS.
THERE ARE 3,000 TO 4,000 THEY'RE
HAVING ISSUES WITH.
THERE'S ABOUT 97 OR 98% OF THEM
HAVE BEEN TABULATED AND THEY'RE
HAVING MORE ISSUES AND THEY HAVE
TO GET THE BALLOTS DONE BEFORE
THEY CAN START GOING THROUGH THE
RESULTS AND LET'S BRING IN DAN
NOLAN, CO-CHAIR OF THE
LEADERSHIP ORGANIZING COMMITTEE.
HE WILL EXPLAIN IT ALL TO US,
WHAT'S GOING ON.
DAN, THANK YOU.
I KNOW EVERYBODY IS SPECULATING
ABOUT THIS.
DAN, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT IS
GOING ON.
IT'S 3,000 TO 4,000 BALLOTS YOU
ARE HAVING ISSUES WITH, EXPLAIN
WHAT IS GOING ON.
>> TRUE.
I FEEL FOR EVERYBODY.
I WISH WE WERE DONE NOW.
I'D LIFE TO BE WATCHING THE
RAPTORS AND ALTHOUGH YOU ARE
LOVELY TO TALK TO.
SO YEAH, WHAT IS GOING ON IS
THAT WE HAVE -- WE'RE GOING
THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AS YOU MENTIONED WE'RE 98% DONE
THE BALLOTS BUT THERE'S A FEW
THOUSAND LEFT DAMAGED BY THE
MACHINE THAT WAS TAKEN THEM OUT
OF THE ENVELOPE.
THEY NEED TO BE FIXED, TAPED, OR
THEY NEED TO BE REDONE, AS NEW
BALLOTS.
WITH CIT KNEE WATCHING
EVERYTHING TO MAKE SURE THE SAME
INTENT IS THERE.
AND THE REASON THAT HAPPENS SO
THIS WAS AN ISSUE LAST TIME
AROUND.
WE DID THINK ABOUT THAT.
THE -ARE ALL THE SAME BUT THE
ENVELOPES ARE SMALLER AND IT'S
BECAUSE OF COVID.
FOR THE MAIL TO BE DELIVERED ON
TIME.
THE REASON IS BECAUSE THEY WERE
SMALLER AND WHEN I SAY SMALLER,
A FEW GRAMS SMALLER TO MAKE SURE
THEY'RE IN A DIFFERENT SORTING
FACILITY THROUGH CANADA POST.
UNFORTUNATELY, HERE WE ARE, AND
AGAIN, I WISH WE WOULD BE DONE
BY NOW BUT I CAN GUARANTEE WE
WILL HAVE A LEADER TONIGHT, IT'S
JUST A MATTER OF TIME.
>> Hannah: EXPLAIN HOW IT WILL
PLAY OUT.
AT 8:04 RIGHT NOW WE PLAN ON
MOVING FORWARD WITH THE
PROGRAMME AT 8:30, GO THROUGH
THAT FOR US?
>> WE'LL MOVE THROUGH THE
PROGRAMME AT 8:30 THAT WILL
INCLUDE A SPEECH FROM MR. SCHEER
AND WE'RE GOING TO GO ACROSS THE
COUNTRY TALKING TO PROMINENT
CANADIANS WHO ARE GOING TO BE
MAKING ANNOUNCING THE PROVINCIAL
RESULTS THERE AND TALKING TO
THESE PEOPLE.
WE'LL GO THROUGH THE RULES, HOW
THE PROCESS WORKS AND WE WILL
TAKE A PAUSE WHEN THAT PROGRAMME
IS NOT DONE YET, I'M NOT SURE
HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO
CHEW THROUGH THOSE BALLOTS.
AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND
ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.
>> Hannah: THE FIRST ROUND OF
BALLOTING.
WE'RE HEARING 9:00 P.M. BUT
WE'RE NOT SURE IF THAT
ANNOUNCEMENT WILL HAPPEN AT
9:00.
>> I MEAN, I CAN'T TELL YOU
RIGHT NOW.
>> Hannah: EXPLAIN WHAT THEY'RE
DOING TO FIX THE BALLOTS.
WHAT IS HAPPENING?
>> IF YOU CAN PICTURE THIS, THEY
WOULD BE SITTING AT A TABLE WITH
THE BALLOT IN FRONT OF THEM.
THEY TAKE IT OUT OF A RED BIN
BECAUSE IT INDICATES IT'S
DAMAGED.
THEY TAKE IT OUT AND THEY LOOK
AT IT TO DEFINE WHAT THE MEMBER
IS TRYING TO DO AND THEY'LL TROY
TO FIX IT AND THEY'LL REDO THAT
BALLOT WITH THE INTENT OF THE
VOTE BEING REFLECTED AND IT'S
ALSO ON VIDEO AND SO WITH THE
WATCHING THAT WITHIN THE
DISTANCE YOU AND I ARE.
>> Hannah: WHEN IT COMES TO THE
SCRUTINERS, DO THEY HAVE TO GIVE
THE OK THAT THE BALLOT IS GOOD.
>> THEY WOULD THOUGHT IF THERE
WAS AN OBJECTION AND THEY WOULD
HAVE TO AGREE TO IT.
THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME REASON
FOR IT.
>> Hannah: ALL KINDS OF
INTERESTING THINGS.
SO, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE
CAMPS, YOU LET THEM KNOW THERE'S
THIS DELAY.
IS THERE ANY CONCERN FOR MANY OF
THE CAMPS AT THIS POINT IN TIME?
>> EVERYONE WANTS THE RESULTS AS
QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
THEY'VE BEEN ANXIOUS ALL DATE
THIS IS THE TOUGHEST TIME FOR
ANY CAMPAIGN.
I WORKED ON A LOT OF CAMPAIGNS
AND THERE'S LITTLE YOU CAN DO.
I'M SURE IT'S FRUSTRATING FOR
THEM BUT, AND THE VOLUNTEERS
HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD ON THIS
AND THEY WANT THIS DONE AS
QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TOO AND THEY
GET TO LEAVE.
>> Hannah: THE PROGRAMME WILL
CHANGE AROUND A BIT NOW, EVEN
AFTER YOU DO THIS TRIBUTE TO MRA
SPEECH FROM HIM AND HEAR FROM
THE REPRESENTATIVES BUT THE
PROGRAMME WILL LOOK A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT.
>> WILL LOOK A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT.
YOU WERE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP TO
THE SAME SPIRIT AND ANNOUNCE HOW
MANY BALLOTS THERE ARE.
WE'LL GO THROUGH ONE, TWO OR
THREE.
>> Hannah: IS THERE ANY CONCERN
ABOUT THESE LAST FEW THOUSAND
BALLOTS THAT THERE WILL BE A
PROBLEM WITH THEM OR THERE WILL
BE?
>> NO, NO.
THIS IS AGAIN, THIS TYPE OF
ISSUE HAPPENED LAST NIGHT, NOT
TO THIS EXTENT AND THIS IS
SOMETHING WE HAVE GONE THROUGH
BEFORE AND TRUST ME, THERE'S
TONS OF EYES ON EVERYTHING GOING
ON.
AS I SAID, IT'S THE LAST COUPLE
OF PERCENT OF BALLOTS SO --
>> Hannah: WE'RE READY TO GO.
>> YEP.
>> Hannah: I KNOW YOU HAVE TO
HIT THE STAGE SOON AND PREPARE.
DAN NOWLAN, THANK YOU AND WE'RE
TALL TALKING ABOUT IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Hannah: I HOPE THAT EXPLAINS
TO OUR VIEWERS WHAT IS HAPPENING
BUT HE GAVE GREAT DETAIL HOW THE
PROCESS IS GOING AND IT'S ABOUT
THREE TO FOUR THOUSAND BALLOTS
THAT THEY HAVE WITH AND NOT MANY
OF THE HUNDREDS AND 175,000
BALLOTS THAT WERE CAST FOR THE
NEW LEADER BUT, YOU KNOW, IN
SUCH A CLOSE RACE, ALL BALLOTS
THERE'S NO TIME WHEN THEY WILL
ANNOUNCE THOSE RESULTS AVENUE
YET.
>> Rosemary: FORGIVE ME IF I'M
WRONG BECAUSE I'M JUGGLING A FEW
THINGS, DID HE SAY ANYTHING
ABOUT REJECTED BALLOTS OR NO?
>> Hannah: NO.
HE DOESN'T THINK THE BALLOTS
WILL BE REJECTED.
HE IS SAYING THERE'S A FEW
THOUSAND BALLOTS.
IF IT WAS DAMAGED TOO MUCH, THAT
THE MACHINE THAT READS THE
BALLOT CAN'T READ IT AND THEN
THEY HAVE TO DO A NEW BALLOT.
IF THEY WANT TO REJECT THAT,
THEY HAVE TO PROJECT IT.
THEY CAN'T SAY GOOD.
THAT'S WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT
WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT REJECTED
BALLOTS.
>> Rosemary: THEY DID RUN INTO
THIS PROBLEM THE LAST TIME IN
2017, BUT --
>> Hannah: HE MENTIONED THAT.
>> Rosemary: NO REMEMBER HEARING
ANYTHING ABOUT THAT AND MAYBE IT
WAS A SMALLER SCALE, I'M NOT
SURE.
>> Hannah: HE DID SAY IT WAS A
MUCH SMALLER SCALE THE LAST TIME
AROUND.
I ACTUALLY DON'T REMEMBER
EITHER.
I KNOW THERE WERE A FEW DELAYS
DURING THE 13 ROUNDS OF BALLOTS
LAST TIME SO QUITE A FEW ROUNDS.
THE DELAYS PROBABLY WOULD HAVE
BEEN A BIT SMALLER.
HE LASS SAID THAT THE NUMBER WAS
FALLER AND 3,000 TO 4,000 AND
IT'S UP 175,000 BALLOTS AND IT
MEETS TO BE BALANCED.
>> Rosemary: A BIG JUMP.
>> Hannah: A BIG JUMP.
>> Rosemary: MAYBE ONE THE PARTY
WASN'T EXPECTING EITHER.
HANNAH, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU ARE
GETTING THOSE GUESTS BUT I
APPRECIATE YOU ROUNDING THEM UP.
THANK YOU.
>> Hannah: I'M WORKING MY MAGIC
FOR YOU, ROSIE.
>> Rosemary: THAT'S GREAT.
HANNAH THIBEDEAU DOWN AT WESTIN
THERE WHERE THE OFFICIALS ARE
CAMPED OUTSIDE AND HANNAH IS
CAMPED OUTSIDE AND SHE GETS MORE
INFORMATION ABOUT THIS DELAY.
TO BRING YOU UP TO SPEED NOW,
BECAUSE THIS IS OBVIOUSLY ANNIEN
EVOLVING STORY AND HIGH
POLITICAL DRAMA IN OTTAWA.
WE'RE EXPECTING THE OFFICIAL
PROGRAMME OF THIS LEADERSHIP
CONVENTION WILL START AT AROUND
8:30 EASTERN BUT OBVIOUSLY
NOTHING IS WRITTEN IN STONE HERE
BECAUSE I'VE SAID DIFFERENT
START TIMES ABOUT 20 TIMES SINCE
THIS STARTED AT 5:00.
BUT THAT IS WHERE WE ARE NOW.
AND THEN THAT WILL INCLUDE A
THANK YOU TO ANDREW SCHEER FOR
HIS WORK AS LEADER.
THE SPEECH BY ANDREW SCHEER, A
DEPARTURE SPEECH, A FAREWELL
SPEECH BY ANDREW SCHEER.
IN PRINCIPLE, WE SHOULD HEAR A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THE RACE
WAS RUN BY DERIC VANSTONE AND WE
SHOULD GET A ROUND OF RESULTS.
WHAT THE PARTY IS NOT COMMITTING
TO AT THIS STAGE IS AN EXACT
TIME FOR THIS FIRST-ROUND BALLOT
RESULTS, WE HAD HEARD NINE
EASTERN BUT NO ONE IS OFFICIALLY
SAYING THAT YET BECAUSE I GUESS
THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE
SOMETHING TO SAY BY 9:00
EASTERN.
IT'S HAPPENING AND YOU HEARD
FROM DAN NOWLAN THAT THERE WILL
BE A LEADER TONIGHT.
SO THEY'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, FOUR
HOURS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN BEFORE
THE DAY IS OVER.
AND WE WILL SEE HOW THAT
UNFOLDS.
LET ME BRING IN VASSY KAPELOS
AND CATHERINE CULLEN WORKING
THERE SOURCES TO KNOW MORE.
THAT'S THE TIMELINE THAT WE'RE
EXPECTING AND IT WAS GOOD TO
HEAR FROM
>> Catherine: IT DOESN'T SOUND
LIKE A LOT BUT IT IS A LOT.
LET'S BE BLUNT.
THAT MEANS THERE ARE THOUSANDS
OF BALLOTS THAT WERE RUINED.
THE ENVELOPES WERE RUINED AND
THEY HAVE TO BE PUT BACK
TOGETHER PHYSICALLY BY SOMEONE
IN A PHYSICALLY DISTANCED
CAPACITY AND THEN RUN BACK
THROUGH THE COUNTING MACHINE OR
REMADE ON TO A NEW BALLOT, ALL
OF WHICH IS DONE UNDER THE
SCRUTINY OF PEOPLE FROM ALL THE
PARTIES AND VARIOUS PEOPLE IN
THE PARTY.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S A
DIFFERENT FLOOR THAT THIS IS
HAPPENING ON.
SO, IT'S A PRETTY BIG DEAL,
THAT'S A HIGH NUMBER OF BALLOTS
THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THIS WITH.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY WERE
DOING THIS AT 6:00 OR A FEW
MINUTES TO 6:00 AND THEY
REALISED, LOOK, THIS WILL TAKE
US LONGER THAN THE ANTICIPATED
START OF THE PROGRAMME AND NOW
HERE WE ARE DELAY AFTER DELAY
AFTER DELAY WITH THE CO-CHAIR OF
THE LEADERSHIP COMMITTEE UNABLE
AT THIS POINT TO REALLY SAY HEY,
WE'LL HAVE A RESULT FOR YOU
BEFORE 10:00.
LIKE EVEN ONE BALLOT RESULT,
RIGHT.
SO THIS IS VERY MUCH -- WHY
THINK IT'S OVERSTATING IT TO SAY
IT'S DRAMATICALLY ALTERED THE
TRAJECTORY OF THIS EVENING FOR
THE PARTY.
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE
MIDST OF REGIONAL RESULTS AND A
SECOND BALLOT AND TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT WHERE EACH OF THE
FOUR CANDIDATES PLACED AFTER THE
FIRST ONE RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE
WELL, WELL BEHIND ANY KIND OF AN
ANNOUNCEMENT AT THIS POINT.
OBVIOUSLY, AS WE HEARD, IN ABOUT
15 MINUTES WE'LL START HEARING
FROM VARIOUS -- LIKE ANDREW
SCHEER OR PEOPLE IN THE PARTY
THROUGHOUT THEIR REGULAR
PROGRAMME BUT THE ACTUAL MEAT OF
THIS, THE NOUNSMENT OF WHO WINS
OR WHO HAS WON WHICH BALLOT, WE
DON'T HAVE A CLEAR TIMELINE ON.
MY GUESS IS THE POST GAME
ANALYSIS TOMORROW WILL HAVE THE
PARTY LOOKING CLOSELY AT ITS
PROCESS HERE.
I TAKE ANDREW'S RANT THERE FROM
A LITTLE WHILE AGO.
AND I KNEW THERE WAS TIME
CONSUMED BY THE ROUNDS, THAT WAS
THE DOMINANT DELAY, IT WASN'T
EVEN A DELAY.
I THOUGHT THAT WHAT WAS TAKING
TIME AND I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS
ISSUES WITH THE BALLOTS.
IF THIS HAPPENED TWICE, THERE'S
SOME HARD QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED
ABOUT THE PROCESS.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, IN DEED.
CATHERINE, LET ME GO TO YOU TO
SEE WHAT YOU'VE BEEN HEARING TOO
AROUND THE DELAY.
I DON'T KNOW AT WHAT POINT,
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS OUT OF THE
PARTY'S CONTROL BUT, I DON'T
KNOW AT WHAT POINT IT BECOMES A
LITTLE EMBARRASSING THAT THEY
CAN'T GET THIS SORTED AND GET A
CLEAR TIMELINE AND ANNOUNCE A
LEADER.
THIS WAS, JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW,
WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN BY NOW IF
EVERYTHING HAD GONE ACCORDING TO
PLAN.
WE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE THIRD
ROUND AND HAD THE FULL NATIONAL
RESULTS BY NOW AND WE WOULD HAVE
HAD A LEADER AND BEEN HEADING
HOME PERHAPS BUT --
 [LAUGHTER]
>> Catherine: IT'S A REAL MIX OF
EMOTIONS WHEN I TAKE TO THE
CAMPAIGNS.
I DON'T SEE ANYONE SAYING THAT
THIS IS AN ALARM BELFOUR THEM I.
SOMEONE FROM ONE CAMP SAYING
THEY FEEL NUMB AND ANOTHER
PERSON WHO IS JUST TRYING TO
HAVE A DRINK.
YOU KNOW, THE EMOTIONS ARE
RUNNING HIGH, ANXIETY,
ENTHUSIASM AND THEY'RE GETTING
DRIP, DRIP DROPS OF INFORMATION
ABOUT WHAT MAKING HAPPENING FROM
SCRUTINEERS IN THE ROM.
THE TRUTH IS, AGAIN, SO MANY
FACTORS AT PLAY, RIGHT.
EVEN WHEN YOU ARE SEEING THOSE
BALLOTS COMING THROUGH THEY'RE
OF COURSE RANKED.
WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT PETER
MacKAY AND WHERE HE IS GOING
TO FALL ON THAT FIRST BALLOT IF
HE IS IN FIRST PLACE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT
THE IMPORTANCE OF -- WE HEARD
FROM ALEX NUTTALL, THERE NEEDS
TO BE A FOUR AT THE BEGINNING OF
THAT.
THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF OTHER
VARIABLE FACTORS IN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
DEREK SLOAN AS A WILDCARD
BECAUSE I HEAR FROM
CONSERVATIVES HE MIGHT PERFORM
BETTER THAN PEOPLE EXPECTED
BECAUSE HE DOES HAVE THE BACKING
OF CAMPAIGN LIFE COALITION
BECAUSE HE IS A SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVE.
HOW WILL HE PERFORM ON THAT
FIRST VOTE AND WILL HIS
SUPPORTERS RANK LESLYN LEWIS
SECOND AND ERIN O'TOOLE MADE A
CLEAR APPEAL DURING THIS RACE
SAYING HE WANTED THE VOTES OF
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES ALTHOUGH HE
CONSIDERS HIMSELF SOMEONE WHO IS
PRO-CHOICE AS HE PUT IT.
DO SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES STICK
AROUND FOR AN ERIN O'TOOLE AND
PUSH HIM OVER THE TOP?
LESLYN LEWIS, A LOT OF INTEREST
IN HER CANADA SEE, PARTICULARLY
LATE IN THE RACE AND WE HEARD
FROM HER CAMPAIGN MANAGER
EARLIER, STEPHEN OUTHOUSE ABOUT
THE FUNDRAISING NUMBER AND RAISG
$2 MILLION AND IT'S PRETTY
INCREDIBLE FOR SOMEONE WITH NOT
A LOT OF POLITICAL EXPERIENCE
AND THEY HAVE A PRIMING FUTURE
PROMISING FUTURE WHEN WE FIND
OUT WHO IS GOING TO RUN IT.
 [LAUGHTER]
>> Rosemary: IT WILL HAPPEN
TODAY.
WE'LL HAVE TO SEE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT, CATHERINE
AND VASSY, I APPRECIATE IT.
JUST TO BRING PEOPLE UP-TO-DATE,
AGAIN, IF YOU ARE JUST TUNING IN
ON CBC TELEVISION, CBC NEWS
NETWORK, I DID THINK IT WAS
DONE' THAT DAN NOWLAN DID ADMIT
HE WANTED TO WATCH THE RAPTORS'
GAME BUT HE IS STICKING WITH US
AND WITH POLITICAL COVERAGE.
I'M SURE TONIGHT.
JUST TO ALSO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF
BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC AND THE
WAY THIS IS UNFOLDING, THE COUNT
ROOM AND I'M GOING TO TALK TO
KORY TONIGHT IN A MINUTE.
WHERE THE ENVELOPES WERE BEING
RIPPED OPEN AND DAMAGING THE
BALLOTS IS ACTUALLY NOT
HAPPENING WHERE THE CANDIDATES
ARE CAMPED OUT.
OR WHERE REPORTERS ARE IT'S IN A
SEPARATE PLACE AND A NUMBER OF
FLOORS AND PRACTISE AND PEOPLE
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE
SCRUTINEERS ARE AND THEY ARE
SENDING THEM INTO THE TABULATION
ROOM WHICH WE DID NOT GET
PICTURES OF, BECAUSE THE PARTY
WAS WORRIED IT WOULD REVEAL
INFORMATION AROUND THE
BALLOTING.
THEY SHOWED THEM COMING IN AND
THIS PART OF THE PROCESS AND
THIS PART OF THE PROCESS IS
CREATING SOME PROBLEMS, WE'RE
WAITING TO HEAR MORE.
WE'RE HEARING FROM OUR FRENCH
COLLEAGUES THAT THE PROGRAMME
SHOULD START IN THE NEXT 15
MINUTES.
THEY DO HAVE BALLOT RESULTS,
AFTER THAT PART OF THE PROGRAMME
IS OVER SO THE TRIBUTE TO ANDREW
SCHEER AND THEY WILL TAKE A
BREAK AND WE WILL AT THE
BEGINNING OF THE PROGRAMME, THE
SHOW IF YOU WILL, FROM THE
EMCEES AND WE'LL HEAR FROM
ANDREW SCHEER.
THE OUTGOING LEADER AND WE WILL
GET A BETTER SENSE OF THE THE
PARTY IS JUST TRYING TO GET THE
SHOW ON THE ROAD, IF YOU WILL.
AND RETAIN EYEBALLS.
LET ME BRING BACK KORY TENEYCKE
TO SEE WHAT HE IS HEARING.
THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE
HEARING THAT THEY'LL START
THINGS WAIT AND LET US KNOW AND
IT'S EMBARRASSING EVEN THOUGH
IT'S OUT OF THE PARTY'S CONTROL.
I KNOW ALL THE CONSERVATIVES I'M
HEARING FROM ARE LIKE, OH, GOOD
GRIEF.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DO.
THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO.
IT'S NOT GREAT.
PROBABLY FAIR TO SAY.
>> THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN
DO FROM HERE.
I SAID EARLIER, THERE WOULD BE
UNSUCCESSFUL CANDIDATES CRYING
IN THEIR PILLOWS BUT WE'RE ALL
CRYING IN OUR PILLOWS IF WE
DON'T GET OUR RESULTS.
THIS ISN'T GREAT FOR THE PARTY
WHEN THEY'RE DELAYS LIKE THIS
AND, IT'S A BIT OF EMBARRASSING
WHEN PROCESSES DON'T GO
SMOOTHLY.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR
PUT YOUR BEST FOOD AND THE
BIGGER DAMAGE IS THAT THIS IS AN
UNPRECEDENTED OPPORTUNITY TO
TALK DIRECTLY TO THE CANADIANS
TO INTRODUCE YOUR NEW LEADER TO
CANADIANS AND YOU WANT TO DO
THAT AND ALL THE PLANNING THAT
WENT INTO TONIGHT WAS CLEARLY
AROUND HITTING PRIME TIME WITH
THE RESULT STARTING TO COME IN
AND HOLDING THAT AUDIENCE AS
LONG AS POSSIBLE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO
SEE THE LEADER AND INSTEAD OF
THE NEW LEADER AT PRIME TIME.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE.
I WOULD AGREE WITH MICHELLE
REMPEL AND OTHERS WHO SAID
TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, I THINK MANY
PEOPLE SAID, GETTING THE VALID
RESULT THAT SELECTS THE LEADER,
THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING
AND PROTECTING THE VOTE IS THE
MOST IMPORTANT THING OBVIOUSLY
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S AN
UNPRECEDENTED SORT OF OCCASION
THAT THIS IS HAPPENING IN AND
SMALL LITTLE CHANGES LIKE A
DIFFERENT SIZE ENVELOPE CAN
CREATE THESE RIPPLE EFFECTS THAT
THEY CAUSE THE DELAYS LIKE THIS
AND IT'S TOO BAD BECAUSE IT'S A
MISSED OPPORTUNITY FOR US.
>> Rosemary: IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S
GOING TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY, BUT
EVENTUALLY IT WILL HAPPEN.
LET'S HOPE.
IF IT HAPPENS TONIGHT, YOU WILL
BE ABLE TO SEE THE HEADLINES.
IT IS NOT OBVIOUSLY THE PEOPLE
ARE WORK TO GO HARD --
>> AT THE END OF THE DAY WE HAD
A SERIOUS THING WITH DOUG FORD.
I FORGET WHAT THE EXACT TIME WAS
BUT IT WAS MIDNIGHT BEFORE WE
HAD A RESULT.
HE WENT ON TO WIN THE PROVINCIAL
ELECTION AND LET'S HOPE THAT
THAT ALLOWED -- IT'S THE CASE
THAT WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT.
IT'S AN EXCITING NIGHT IF WE CAN
GET RESULT TO COME OUT BECAUSE I
THINK THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT
WAYS THAT THIS COULD PLAY OUT SO
I DO THINK I'M STILL SITTING AT
THE EDGE OF MY CHAIR AND I'M
JUST GETTING HUNGRY NOW.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE IT
START BUT, MAYBE ANTICIPATION
HAS VALUE AS WELL IN TERMS OF
EXCITEMENT.
>> Rosemary: I WAS GOING TO ASK
YOU WHETHER YOU REMEMBER A
ENVELOPE PROBLEM THE LAST TIME
AROUND.
I DON'T REMEMBER HEARING IT SO
MAYBE IT WAS MINOR.
>> NOT TO THIS LEVEL.
THE PROBLEMS POST VOTE WERE SOME
DISCREPANCIES WITH ON SITE
BALLOTS AND BALLOTS WERE
DESTROYED AMONG SCRUTINEER WITH
THE OUTCOME.
IT'S ONLY A FEW THOUSAND BALLOTS
BUT IN THE LAST ONE, IF YOU
CHANGED 60 VOTES IN THE RIGHT
RIDINGS, YOU WOULD HAVE CHANGED
THE RESULT.
IT'S NOT A LOT, THIS IS GOING TO
BE A CLOSE RACE AND I WILL ALSO
SAY THAT I THINK THE MARGIN IS
GOING TO BE SLIMMER THAN THE
NUMBER OF BALLOTS THAT ARE IN
QUESTION RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT
THIS GET DONE CORRECTLY.
THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATE WE'RE ALL
SITTING HERE HAVING TO TAP DANCE
TOGETHER.
>> Rosemary: WELL, I DON'T MIND
IT.
I DON'T MIND IT FOR SURE.
I WOULD LIKE SOME RESULTS TOO.
THAT'S FINE.
>> I'M SURE WE ALL DO.
 [LAUGHTER]
>> Rosemary: YOUR POINT IS A
GOOD ONE BECAUSE ERIC GRENIER
MAKES THAT SAME POINT ABOUT THE
NUMBER OF VOTES.
IT COULD BE -- THE LEADER HAS
YOU ARE NOTHEARING ANYTHING IN F
TIMING?
>> NO, BUT I DO TAKE ENOUGH TO
KNOW THAT THEY DON'T ANNOUNCE IT
UNTIL RIGHT BEFORE.
WE'LL HEAR AT THE LAST MINUTE
IT'S DELAYED NOT ANOTHER 10
MINUTES BUT ANOTHER HOUR OR
WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
I THINK THE TRUTH IS PROBABLY,
YOU KNOW, FROM THE START IT'S
NOT THAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO
MISLEAD SOMEONE, I THINK THESE
ARE LARGELY VOLUNTEER-LED
EFFORTS WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE
WORKING IN GOOD FAITH TO GET IT
DONE.
THEY DON'T PROBABLY KNOW HOW
LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO SORT
SOME OF THESE THINGS OUT.
THAT'S A CHALLENGES.
DEMOCRACY CAN BE MESSY BUT IT
SERVES US WELL, NEVERTHELESS.
>> Rosemary: KORY, GET SOMETHING
TO EAT SO YOU DON'T PASS OUT
BEFORE I COME BACK TO YOU.
THANK YOU FOR THAT AND WE'LL
TALK SOON, THANK YOU.
"POWER & POLITICS" HOST, VASSY
KAPELOS, CATHERINE CULLEN, BOTH
JOINING ME NOW AS WE WAIT -- WE
THINK FOR THE BEGINNING OF THE
PROGRAMME, WHICH MEANS AN
INTRODUCTION OF EVENTS, MAYBE AN
UPDATE.
WE WILL TAKE THE BEGINNING OF
THAT BECAUSE PERHAPS THE
EMCEEs, I'M JUST LOOKING TO
SEE WHO WILL BE THERE.
ACTING EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA IS
SUPPOSED TO BE UP FIRST AND SO
MAYBE THERE WILL BE SOMEONE WHO
WILL HAVE SOME INFORMATION.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE PARTY SCOTT
LAMB IS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE SO
MAYBE THEY WILL GIVE US AN
UPDATE ON THE BALLOTS BEFORE WE
HEAR FROM ANDREW SCHEER.
WE'LL BE SURE TO TUNE IN FOR
THAT.
WE WERE TOLD THAT COULD START IN
ABOUT 15 MINUTES, WHICH MIGHT BE
FIVE OR 10 MINUTES AT THAT
STAGE.
VASSY, ARE YOU HEARING ANYTHING
ABOUT THAT?
>> Vassy: YEAH, I'M STILL TRYING
FIND OUT IF THAT MIGHT HAPPEN
AND EVEN MORE SIGNIFICANTLY, IF
THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE
FIRST-BALLOT RESULTS WILL
HAPPEN.
I'M GETTING A BIG, FAT NOTHING.
I'M GOING TO GO OUT ON A LITTLE
AND THINK IT'S NOT THE MOST
PROMISING OF SIGNS.
WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE START OF
A PROGRAMME.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY WOULD
STILL RUN PART OF THAT PROGRAMME
AND IF THEY'RE NOT PREPARED TO
ANNOUNCE THE FIRST BALLOT, THERE
WOULD BE ANOTHER DELAY UNTIL
THAT POTENTIALLY HAPPENS.
SO, WE ARE
>> Vassy: AND THEN HAND THEM
OVER TO THE SCRUTINEERS FROM
EACH CAMPAIGN AND THE PARTY AND
THEY WOULD CHECK THEM BEFORE
THEY COULD TRANSFER BY HAND TO
ANOTHER BALLOT AND THEN THAT
WOULD HAVE TO BE COUNTED.
IT'S AN ARDUOUS PROCESS AND WHEN
YOU TALK ABOUT 2% OF ALL THE
BALLOTS SO 3,000, 4,000 BALLOTS,
THAT'S A LOT, RIGHT AND IT TAKES
A LONG TIME, CLEARLY.
IT'S IMPORTANT, IT'S REALLY
SIGNIFICANT FOR THE ACCURACY OF
THE OUTCOME OF THIS.
I HAVE TO SAY I'M HEARING FROM
PEOPLE OF ALL PARTIES WHO ARE
TALKING ABOUT ISSUES THAT
THEY'VE HAD WITH BALLOT COUNTING
AS WELL AND TALKING A BIT ABOUT
HOW THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME
SORT OF VERIFICATION PROCESS
LIKE' AFTER THIS AS WELL.
JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT
EVERYTHING IS SIGNED, SEALED AND
DELIVERED AND AS ACCURATE AS
POSSIBLE.
THEY'RE NOT CASTING DOUBT BUT
IT'S NOT A SMALL THING.
YOU TALK ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF
THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS IN AN
ELECTION WHERE THOSE BALLOTS
COULD DETERMINE THE OUTCOME AND
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY
CAN DO QUICKLY AND IT'S ALSO
SOMETHING THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE
TO KEEP VERIFYING AFTER.
>> Rosemary: THE CREDIBILITY OF
THE PARTY AND ITS ABILITY TO RUN
THIS LEADERSHIP RACE IS VERY
MUCH ON THE LINE AND SO THAT IS
PROMISING FOR ME.
I'LL REMIND PEOPLE SOMETHING
THAT MY PRODUCER, PHIL, IS JUST
REMINDING ME AS WELL AND THAT IS
BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS IS A
RANKED BALLOT, BECAUSE OF THE
POINT SYSTEM AND MAYBE I'LL GET
THE CONTROL ROOM TO QUEUE UP
THAT EXPLAINER BEGIN, NO ONE
ACTUALLY KNOWS THE RESULTS RIGHT
NOW.
YOU CAN HAVE LEADERSHIP TEAMS
TELLING YOU ALL KINDS OF THINGS,
AS MICHELLE REMPEL GARDNER SAID
EARLIER, BECAUSE THEY'RE SEEN
THINGS ON THE BALLOTS.
ACTUALLY NO ONE KNOWS HOW THIS
IS GOING TO SHAKE DOWN.
THEY WON'T KNOW UNTIL ALL THOSE
VOTES HAVE BEEN PUT THROUGH THE
MACHINE BECAUSE THERE'S NO TALLY
AS IT GOES.
THE TALLY COMES AT THE END OF
THE PROCESS AND UNTIL THEY'RE
COUNTED NO ONE HAS THE RESULTS
IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S GOING TO
WORK.
JUST TO REMIND EVERYTHING THAT
PEOPLE MAY SAY MANY THINGS BUT
THAT IS MAYBE JUST THEIR FEELING
OR THEIR WISHES TOO IF YOU WILL.
AND I DO SEE SOME, WELL THERE'S
A CAMERA TILTING.
I'M BRING IN CATHERINE CULLEN AS
WE WAITING FOR SOMETHING TO COME
UNDERWAY.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE
INFORMATION ABOUT THE BALLOT
RESULTS, NO ONE REALLY BEING
EXTREMELY FOURTH COMING ABOUT
THAT PART.
>> Catherine: THAT LOOKS LIKE
DAN NOWLAN AND LISA RAITT ON
STAGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GETTING
ANY INFORMATION FROM THEM.
>> Rosemary: THEY HAVEN'T
STARTED YET.
YOU KEEP GOING AND I'LL
INTERRUPT YOU.
>> Catherine: THE LATEST I'VE
HEARD IS ONE CAMP IS EXPECTING A
DELAY ON RESULTS BUT THIS IS
GETTING VERY POLITICS SO LET'S
WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE SOMETHING
FIRM TO TELL OUR AUDIENCE AND IN
THE MEANTIME, ROSEMARY, I WAS
HOPING YOU COULD TELL ME MORE
ABOUT THAT N.D.P. PIGEON?
 [LAUGHTER]
IT'S A VALID POINT AND THERE ARE
SO MANY FACTORS.
IF THERE IS AN UPSIDE TO THIS
FROM A PROGRAMMING PERSPECTIVE,
I THINK HOPEFULLY IT'S CLEAR TO
PEOPLE LISTENING AT HOME RIGHT
NOW, THE COMPLEXITY OF THE
FACTORS THAT PLAY INTO THE
CONSERVATIVE VOTES AND NOT ONLY
THE RANK BALLOT ITSELF AND THE
QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT
SOMEONE CHOSES TO FILL OUT THEIR
BALLOT AND HOW THAT BUMPS A
CANDIDATE UP OVER THE COURSE OF
THE POINTS, BUT THEN ALSO THE
REGIONAL WAITING AS WELL WITH
EACH RIDING BEING WORTH A
CERTAIN AMOUNT OF POINTS AND
THERE WAS A POINT EARLIER IN THE
SHOW YOU COULD BE RIDING IN
QUEBEC AND YOUR VOTE MIGHT BE
WORTH FOUR POINTS WHERE IF YOU
ARE IN HIS RIDING OF BARRIE
WHERE THERE ARE QUITE A LARGE
NUMBER OF CONSERVATIVES, YOU ARE
VOTE IS ONLY WORTH A FRACTION OF
A POINT SO EVEN WHEN WE'RE
HEARING THIS SPIN FROM THE CAMPS
ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE SEEING IN
TERMS OF THE BALLOT IT WOULD BE
DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO FACTOR
THAT LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY INTO
ALL OF THIS AND YOU THROW IN THE
BALLOTS THAT HAVE TO BE THROWN
OUT AND IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO
PREDICT AND I THINK THAT
COMBINED WITH A TIGHT RACE,
WE'VE SEEN, IS WHAT HAD A LOT OF
CONSERVATIVES SAYING IT IS TOO
CLOSE TO CALL.
THE TEAMS ARE FEELING GOOD AT
THIS POINT, AN THOUGH ANXIOUS AS
WE ALL ARE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW UNTIL
EVERYONE COMING OUT OF THAT ROOM
AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHEN
THAT IS GOING TO BE AT THIS
POINT.
>> Rosemary: THAT IS A GOOD
POINT.
ERIC GRENIER IS REMINDING US
WHEN HE THOUGHT ABOUT THE
PROGRESSIVE PARTY IT WAS SO
DELAYED THAT THERE WAS A WEDDING
SCHEDULED FOR AFTER THE
LEADERSHIP RACE, CAN YOU SEE THE
LIGHT EPING BEHIND ME.
THERE WAS A WEDDING FOR AFTER
THE ANNOUNCEMENT SO THEY HAD TO
EMPTY THE ROOM BEFORE THEY COULD
ACTUALLY ANNOUNCE WHO THE NEW
LEADER WOULD BE SO, AS ERIC OR
AS -- OK, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE
SOME -- SOMETHING IS HAPPENING
HERE.
 [LAUGHTER]
LET'S GO INSIDE THE ROOM AT THE
SHAW CENTRE AND LISTEN INTO A
LITTLE BIT OF THE UPDATE FROM
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF
CANADA.
>> I WANT TO START OFF THIS
EVENING BY THANKING SOME OF THE
MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN OUR
PARTY, OUR VOLUNTEERS.
THIS PARTY AND OUR LEADERSHIP
RACE RUNS ON THE ENERGY OF OUR
PEOPLE.
OUR MEMBERS AND OUR VOLUNTEERS.
ACROSS THE COUNTRY VOLUNTEERS
ARE OUR LIFE BLOOD FROM OUR
NATIONAL COUNCIL, OUR LEADERSHIP
ORGANIZING ELECTION COMMITTEE,
THE FOLKS THAT RUN ALL 338
ELECTORAL DISTRICT ASSOCIATIONS
AND WE RELY ON OUR VOLUNTEERS.
>> IT'S DRIVEN BY OUR MEMBERS
AND VOLUNTEER ACROSS THE COUNTRY
OUR VOLUNTEERS ARE THE ENGINE
BEHIND US.
BOTH THROUGH THE NATIONAL
EXECUTIVES AND THE NATIONAL
COUNCIL AND THE PEOPLE IN THE
338 ELECTORAL DISTRICTS IN THE
COUNTRY.
WE RELY ON THEIR ENERGY AND
THEIR TALENT.
>> LEADERSHIP RACES ARE A TIME
OF RENEWAL.
THOUSANDS OF VOLUNTEERS HAVE
GIVEN THEIR TIME TO SUPPORT A
CANDIDATE, ADDING TO THE ENERGY
AND EXCITEMENT OF THIS
EXTRAORDINARY LEADERSHIP RACE.
WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT FOR
THIS ANNOUNCEMENT WITHOUT OUR
VOLUNTEERS, WHO BEGAN ARRIVING
BEFORE 5:00 A.M. THIS MORNING TO
OPEN, COUNT, AND RECORD TENS OF
THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS THAT WE
RECEIVED OVER THE PAST SEVERAL
WEEKS.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY A VERY
SPECIAL IT TO THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY OF CANADA'S STAFF WHO HAVE
PULLED TOGETHER AND WORKED
TIRELESSLY, LONG HOURS, OFTEN
THROUGH AT VERSE TEE TO ENSURE
WE COULD ELECT OUR NEXT LEADER
IN SPITE OF A GLOBAL PANDEMIC.
YOUR RESOURCEFULNESS AND
DEDICATION TO THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY AND ITS GOALS HAVE CARRIED
US THROUGH THE CHALLENGES OF THE
PAST MONTH AND WE THANK YOU.
[VOICE OF INTERPRETER]
>> I'D LIKE TO THANK THE MEMBERS
OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY WHO
CAME TOGETHER TO WORK
TIRELESSLY, LONG HOURS, AND
OFTEN IN A ADVERSE RETO HELP US
ELECT THE NEXT LEADER OF THE
PARTY.
IN SPITE OF THE PANDEMIC.
AND WE WANT TO THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
[SPEAKING FRENCH]
>> THANK YOU TO OUR AMAZING
VOLUNTEERS WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE
THIS RACE A MASSIVE SUCCESS,
EVEN DURING A PANDEMIC.
[SPEAKING FRENCH]
HERE ARE SOME OF THE MILESTONES
WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH
THANKS TO THE DEDICATION OF OUR
VOLUNTEERS.
[SPEAKING FRENCH]
>> THANK YOU TO ALL THE CAMPAIGN
VOLUNTEERS FOR HELPING BUILD
CONSERVATIVE MOMENTUMS ACROSS
THE COUNTRY.
>> THANK YOU.
AND NOW I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE
OUR PRESIDENT OF THE PARTY.
>> THE PRESIDENT OF THE PARTY
SCOTT LAM.
>> THANK YOU, JAMIE.
I WANT TO SAY WITHOUT JAMIE
GIROUARD STEPPING FORWARD LAST
DECEMBER TO TAKE THE ROLE AS OUR
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, THE SUCCESS
OF THIS LEADERSHIP RACE IN
SETTING A RECORD FOR BALLOTS AND
VOTES CAST, COULD NOT HAVE
OCCURRED.
YOU'VE DONE SO MUCH FOR OUR
PARTY AND WE'RE IN A DEBT OF
GRATITUDE TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM.
IT IS MY HONOUR TO SAY THANK YOU
ON BEHALF OF THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY OF CANADA TO OUR LEADER
ANDREW SCHEER, FOR HIS YEARS OF
SERVICE TO OUR PARTY AND OUR
COUNTRY.
[SPEAKING FRENCH]
ON BEHALF OF THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY OF CANADA, I HAVE THE
HONOUR OF THANKING ANDREW SCHEER
FOR HIS YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE
PARTY AND TO OUR COUNTRY.
>> AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, ANDREW'S
REMARKABLE CAREER COMMENCED IN
2004 AT THE AGE OF 24, HE
CONTESTED THE RIDING OF REGINA.
FOR OUR PARTY AGAINST LORNE
NYSTROM OF THE N.D.P.
A POLITICAL LEGEND WHO WAS A
25-YEAR VETERAN OF THE HOUSE OF
COMMONS.
NOT ONLY DID ANDREW BEAT HIM IN
2004, HE WENT ON WITH THAT SEAT
TO WIN FURTHER FIVE CONSECUTIVE
TIMES.
ANDREW WAS THE YOUNGEST EVER
SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS
IN THE HARPER GOVERNMENT,
SECURING HIS PLACE AS A GREAT
PARLIAMENTARIANS.
WHEN STEPHEN HARPER STEPPED DOWN
IN 2015, I OFTEN CAUTION PEOPLE,
WE ARE A RELATIVELY YOUNG PARTY
FORMED OUT OF TWO PREDECESSOR
PARTIES.
IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LIKE A
START-UP COMPANY WITH A VERY
SUCCESSFUL FOUNDING LEADER WHO
SUDDENLY EXITS THE COMPANY.
OFTEN START UP COMPANIES FAIL AT
THIS STAGE.
OUR PARTY HAD ONLY KNOWN ONE
LEADER FOR 12 YEARS AND WE HAVE
BEEN IN GOVERNMENT FOR OVER NINE
OF THOSE YEARS.
LIKE ANY START-UP COMPANY,
TRANSITIONING TO A NEW LAIDER,
THIS WAS A DAUNTING TASK TO TAKE
ON AS THE ROLE OF OUR NEW LEADER
OF OUR PARTY.
IT REQUIRED FOCUS ON PARTY UNITY
AND MOVING BACK INTO CONVENTION
TO FORM GOVERNMENT ONCE AGAIN
AND ON HIS ELECTION LEADER,
ANDREW SCHEER DID JUST THAT.
HE FOCUSED ON FIGHTING FOR ALL
CANADIANS AND NOT JUST THE
FAVOURED FEW BY THE LIBERALS.
YOU SAW IN THIS IN ANDREW
SCHEER'S CAMPAIGN AGAINST
TRUDEAU'S MASSIVE TAX HIKE ON
SMALL BUSINESS, FORCING THE
LIBERAL GOVERNMENT TO BACK DOWN
FROM MANY OF THEIR CHANGES.
ANDREW SCHEER KEPT THE PARTY
UNIFIED.
HE HAS LISTENED TO AND
UNDERSTOOD ALL POINTS OF VIEW IN
OUR BIG CONSERVATIVE TENT.
HE BUILT MOMENTUM TO PUT OUR
PARTY INTO CONTENTION TO WIN
GOVERNMENT AGAIN.
WINNING KEY BYELECTIONS WE HAD
NOT WON IN A GENERATION AND
WELCOMING LIBERALS TO JOIN OUR
PARTY LIKE A MEMBER OF PARTY
LEONA, WHO CROSS THE THE FLOOR
TO JOIN OUR PARTY.
ANDREW SCHEER TOOK ON JUSTIN
TRUDEAU'S LIBERALS WHO THE MEDIA
SAID AFTER 2015, WOULD HOLD
MAJORITY GOVERNMENTS, NOT JUST
FOR FOUR YEARS, BUT AS MUCH AS
12 YEARS.
IN THAT ELECTION, ANDREW SCHEER
LED OUR PARTY TO REDUCING THE
TRUDEAU LIBERALS TO A MINORITY
GOVERNMENT.
OUR PARTY WON THE POPULAR VOTE
AND FORMED THE STRONGEST
OFFICIAL OPPOSITION IN CANADIAN
HISTORY WITH 121 CONSERVATIVES
ELECTED.
THROUGHOUT HIS LEADERSHIP AND
YEARS AS A PARLIAMENTARIANS,
ANDREW SCHEER HAS ALWAYS
DEMONSTRATED FAIRNESS, DECENCY
AND INTELLIGENCE.
HE IS A DEDICATED FAMILY MAN AND
A FRIEND TO ALL.
ANDREW, YOU KEPT US UNITE AND
FOCUSED ON FIGHTING FOR ALL
CANADIANS.
WITH YOU, WE TOOK A LARGE STEP
ONCE AGAIN TO FORM A
CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT.
WE THANK YOU.
WE WISH AND YOU YOUR FAMILY ALL
THE BEST AND WE LOOK FOR MANY
YEARS IN THE FUTURE OF YOUR
SERVICE AS A MEMBER OF THE
PARLIAMENT FOR OUR PARTY.
THANK YOU.
>> HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE
OPPOSITION.
>> THE PRIME MINISTER KEEPS
USING AT PANDEMIC AS AN EXCUSE
FOR HIS CORRUPTION.
THEY WILL STOP AND TAKE THE TIME
TO REWARD THEIR FRIENDS.
THAT'S THE ESSENCE OF THIS
LIBERAL PARTY AND IT'S JUST
DISGUSTING.
>> JUSTIN TRUDEAU ONLY PRETENDS
TO STANDS UP FOR CANADA.
MR. TRUDEAU, YOU ARE A PHONY AND
YOU ARE A FRAUD AND YOU DO NOT
DESERVE TO GOVERN THIS COUNTRY.
>> THAT WAS THE WEAKEST RESPONSE
TO A NATIONAL CRISIS IN CANADIAN
HISTORY.
I LISTEN TO THE PRIME MINISTER'S
WORD SALAD, THE ACTIONS OF THESE
RADIAL ACTISTS ARE ILLEGAL.
PUT AN END TO THE ILLEGAL
BLOCKADES AND GET OUR ECONOMY
BACK ON TRACK.
>> I DON'T BLAME THE PRIME PRIME
MINISTER FOR NOT GETTING UP OFF
THE MAT, HE WOULD RATHER BE
SINNING AUTOGRAPHS.
HE LIKES TO SIGN HIS NAME SO
MUCH, MAYBE HE CAN TAKE OUT HIS
CHEQUEBOOK AND SIGN.
>> HE TOLD DONALD TRUMP IF HE
DIDN'T GET RID OF THE TARIFFS
THERE WOULD BE NO PHOTO-OP.
DONALD CALLED HIS BLUFF.
HE COULDN'T RESIST ANOTHER PHOTO
BEING TAKEN AND HE WAS SIGNING
WITH THE REST OF THE LEADERS.
TAKING HIS PICTURE WITH TRUMP
AND HE DIDN'T GET AN END.
EVEN THE AUSTRALIANS
>> AND SEE ONLY THE BLEMISHES,
YOU ARE MISSING OUT ON THE
BEAUTIFUL STORY OF A COUNTRY
CONSTANTLY BETTERING ITSELF AND
CONSISTENTLY --
 [APPLAUSE]
>> THIS COUNTRY HAS BESTOWED
SUCH FORTUNE AND OPPORTUNITIES
ON MY FAMILY THAT I STAND BEFORE
YOU, RUNNING TO BE THE NEXT
PRIME MINISTER, ONE GENERATION
REMOVED FROM HAVING NINE KIDS IN
A TWO BEDROOM BUNGALOW ALONG A
DIRT ROAD.
THAT'S CANADA, LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN.
AND IT'S WORTH FIGHTING TO
PROTECT.
>> CANADA MUST BE A PLACE WHERE
NO AMBITIONS IS TOO BIG.
NO DREAM IS OUT OF REACH AND
WHERE NO GOVERNMENT WILL STAND
IN THE WAY OF PEOPLE WORKING
HARD TO GET AHEAD.
CONSERVATIVES HAVE PUT JUSTIN
TRUDEAU ON NOTICE.
WHEN YOUR GOVERNMENT FALLS,
CONSERVATIVES WILL BE READY AND
WE WILL WIN.
>> TONIGHT WE HAVE HELD A FIRST
TERM MAJORITY GOVERNMENT TO A
MINORITY.
THIS IS HOW IT STARTS AND THIS
IS THE FIRST STEP AND WE HAVE A
MUCH BIGGER TEAM WITH MORE
SUPPORT FROM COAST TO COAST.
AND WITH AN ENDORSEMENT FROM THE
CANADIAN PEOPLE THAT WE ARE THE
GOVERNMENT-IN-WAITING.
[♪♪♪]
>> FOLKS, THE HONOURABLE ANDREW
SCHEER.
>> Andrew Scheer: WELL, THANK
YOU, VERY MUCH, SCOTT.
THANK YOU, LISA AND DAN.
[SPEAKING FRENCH] GOOD EVENING,
EVERYONE.
WHAT AN INCREDIBLE THREE YEARS.
I HAVE BEEN SO HONOURED TO SERVE
AS LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY OF CANADA AND AS LEADER OF
THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION IN THE
HOUSE OF COMMONS, LEADING OUR
AMAZING TEAM.
[SPEAKING FRENCH]
>> I'M VERY HONOURED TO HAVE
BEEN THE LEADER OF THE PARTY AND
THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION IN THE
HOUSE OF COMMONS AND TO HAVE LED
OUR OUT STANDING TEAM.
LOOKING BACK ON WHERE WE STARTED
IN 2017 AND ALL THAT WE HAVE
ACCOMPLISHED TOGETHER, I AM
STRUCK BY THE DETERMINATION,
STRENGTH, AND RESILIENCE OF OUR
PARTY.
IN 2017, NO ONE THOUGHT WE COULD
WIN THE NEXT ELECTION.
THE MEDIA ESTABLISHMENT WAS PRO
PREDICTING JUSTIN TRUDEAU WOULD
WIN OR OR THREE MAJORITY
GOVERNMENTS, HE WOULD BE PRIME
MINISTER FOR AS LONG AS HE
WANTED.
WE ROLLED UP OUR SLEEVES.
AND REMINDED VOTERS THAT COPPS
CONSERVATIVES ARE THE ONLY PARTY
FIGHTING FOR HARD-WORKING
CANADIANS.
THE FACT THAT ANYONE CONSIDERED
THE 2019 ELECTION WINABLE IS
BECAUSE OF THE SUCCESS OF OUR
ENTIRE TEAM.
WHILE WE DIDN'T GET THE RESULT
WE ALL WOULD HAVE LIKED, WE DID
REDUCE THE TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT TO
A MINORITY AND FORMED THE
STRONGEST OPPOSITION IN CANADIAN
HISTORY.
THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE I WOULD
LIKE TO THANK.
MY HOUSE LEADERSHIP, SHADOW
CABINET AND CAUCUS TEAMS.
[SPEAKING FRENCH]
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADVICE AND
YOUR SUPPORT DURING MY MANDATE.
ONE OF THE MOST FRUSTRATING
PARTS OF NOT FORMING GOVERNMENT
IS STOPPING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT
A GREAT GROUP OF MINISTERS WE
WOULD HAVE HAD IF WE HAD WON.
I KNOW THAT CANADIANS WOULD HAVE
BEEN FAR BETTER SERVED DURING
THIS PANDEMIC IF THERE WAS A
CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT IN
POWER.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE MANY
GREAT THINGS THAT OUR NEXT
CONSERVATIVE TEAM WILL
ACCOMPLISH.
[SPEAKING FRENCH]
>> I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK
JOAN, HEYMISH, MARK AND THE
ENTIRE TEAM THAT ENCOURAGED ME
TO RUN AS LEADER.
AND THAT STAYED BY MY SIDE.
IT WAS DIFFICULT AT TIMES BUT I
CANNOT IMAGINE A BETTER GROUP OF
PEOPLE TO ACHIEVE THAT.
TO THE OFFICE OF THE LEADER OF
THE OPPOSITION AND PARTY HEAD
QUARTER TEAMS, THANK YOU FOR ALL
YOUR HARD WORK OVER THE PAST
THREE YEARS AND THROUGHOUT THIS
LEADERSHIP RACE.
I KNOW THE NEW LEADER WILL BE IN
GOOD HANDS WITH ALL OF YOU.
I'D LIKE TO THANK OUR ENTIRE
CONSERVATIVE CAUCUS.
NATIONAL COUNCIL, PARTY
PRESIDENT SCOTT LAMB AND OUR
PARTY MEMBERS AND VOLUNTEERS.
EACH OF YOU CONTRIBUTE SO MUCH
TO OUR MOVEMENT AND ARE VITAL TO
OUR SUCCESS.
BUT MOST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO
THANK MY INCREDIBLE WIFE, JILL,
FOR HER LOVE AND SUPPORT.
WITHOUT WHICH, NONE OF THIS
WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE.
JILL, I LOVE YOU SO MUCH AND
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE SACRIFICE
THAT AND THE KIDS MADE OVER THE
PAST FEW YEARS.
I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT I'VE
NEVER BEEN PROUDER TO BE A
CONSERVATIVE OR TO BE A
CANADIAN.
[SPEAKING FRENCH]
>> THE PANDEMIC CHALLENGED US
BUT IT ALSO SHOWED US THE BEST
SIDE OF OUR FELLOW CANADIANS
ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.
NEIGHBOURS HELPING NEIGHBOURS.
BUSINESSES FINDING INNOVATIVE
WAYS TO SERVE THEIR CUSTOMERS.
AND FAMILIES COMING TOGETHER AND
EVEN VIRTUALLY.
DURING THIS CHALLENGING TIME,
OUR TEAM, OUR CONSERVATIVE TEAM,
HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON HELPING
CANADIANS.
>> WE HAVE IMPROVED THE
GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSE TO THE
PANDEMIC AND HAVE NEVER BACKED
DOWN IN OUR FIGHT TO KEEP OUR
PARLIAMENT OPEN AND DURING THIS
CRISIS.
AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE
RECOVERY, CANADIANS WILL BE
FACED WITH A FUNDAMENTAL CHOICE.
YOU SEE, THE LEFT IS OFFERING
THE SAME FAILED POLICIES THAT
THEY ALWAYS DO.
BIGGER GOVERNMENT AND MORE
GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION AND LESS
INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM.
BIG CORPORATIONS WHO CAN AFFORD
EXPENSIVE GOVERNMENT RELATIONS
EXPERTS AND NEW RULES AND LAWS
MAKE LABOUR COSTS SO EXTENSIVE
THAT LOW INCOME WORKERS AND NEW
ENTRANCE INTO THE WORKFORCE LOSE
THEIR JOBS FIRST AND THEIR
POLICIES WERE SUPPOSED TO HELP
THE POOR AND PROMOTE EQUALITY.
THE EXACT SAME RHETORIC THAT THE
LEFT IS USING TODAY.
BUT ALL IT CAUSED WAS MISERY.
[SPEAKING FRENCH]
>> THE CHALLENGE FOR
CONSERVATIVES TODAY IS THAT MANY
PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE
FREE MARKET ECONOMY.
INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, SMALL
GOVERNMENT AND MORE INDIVIDUAL
CHOICES.
TODAY'S VOTERS DIDN'T GROW UP,
MANY OF TODAY'S VOTERS DIDN'T
GROW UP WATCHING THE WALL COME
DOWN AND LOOKING AT THE LINES IN
EAST BERLIN.
SO WE AS A PARTY NEED TO
CONSTANTLY FOR NEW WAYS TO MAKE
THE CASE FOR THE WE ALL BELIEVE
IN.
FREEDOM, LIMITED GOVERNMENT, AND
UNLIMITED POTENTIAL.
OUR VALUES AND IDEALS HAVE STOOD
THE TEST OF TIME AND SO HOPE YOU
DON'T BLAME THEM AND YOU ARE
LEFT WITH A STOMACH ACHE AND A
SERIOUS CASE OF BUYERS REMORSE.
CONSERVATIVES ON THE OTHER HAND,
WE BELIEVE IN A BALANCE MEAL.
WE LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE.
WE SEE THE HARM AND THE MISERY
TO THE POLICIES THE LEFT AND THE
LIBERALS PUT THEIR FAITH IN
GOVERNMENT AND THEY BELIEVE THAT
BIGGER GOVERNMENT AND MORE STATE
INTERVENTION WILL SOLVE ALL THE
WORLD'S PROBLEMS.
CONSERVATIVES CONSTRUCTORS FIGHT
FOR THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE
POWERFUL LOBBYIST GETTING
INSIDER DEALS.
WE FIGHT FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN
WHO DON'T HAVE WELL CONNECTED
FRIENDS IN OTTAWA WHO ARE TOO
BUSY RAISING THEIR FAMILIES AND
WORKING HARD TO ATTEND THE
COCKTAIL CIRCUIT.
WE ARE YOUR VOICE.
BUT THE BIGGEST RISK TO FREEDOM
AND LIBERTY IS WHEN PEOPLE
EMPOWER PEOPLE AND GOVERNMENT TO
DO MORE AND MORE FOR THEM.
IT MAY BE TEMPTING TO USE THE
GOVERNMENT TO ADDRESS THE
CHALLENGES SOCIETY OFTEN FACES.
BUT ONCE INVITED INSIDE, THE
GOVERNMENT IS A TERRIBLE HOUSE
GUEST.
AND MAY FEEL GOOD TO VOTE IN A
PARTY THAT'S GOING TO OVERSTEP
THE LIMITS OF GOVERNMENT IN
ORDER TO DO SOMETHING YOU AGREE
WITH.
HOWEVER, THAT INVITATION IS
QUICKLY USED TO JUSTIFY ALL
SORTS OF ACTIONS YOU MIGHT NEVER
HAVE CONSIDERED.
IT'S FAR BETTER TO LEAVE THE
REST OF SOCIETY TO FULFILL ITS
PROPER ROLE.
THAT IS WHY CONSERVATIVES PUT
THEIR FAITH IN PEOPLE.
WE KNOW THAT THERE'S MORE TO
SOCIETY THAN JUST GOVERNMENT.
AND THAT FREE PEOPLE, WITHIN A
FREE MARKET, WORKING HARD AND
ENJOYING THE FRUITS OF THEIR
LABOUR, FREE TO EXPRESS
THEMSELVES AND LIVE THEIR LIVES
THE WAY THAT THEY WANT.
THAT IS THE RECIPE FOR SUCCESS
EVERY SINGLE PLACE IT'S BEEN
TRIED.
WHEN GIVEN A CHOICE BETWEEN
SOCIETIES WHERE GOVERNMENTS
CONTROL MORE AND WE NEED TO LOOK
AT MESS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN
VENEZUELA AND THE TRAGEDY THAT
IT IS CAUSING.
[SPEAKING FRENCH]
YOU KNOW IT'S UP TO
CONSERVATIVES TO GET THAT
MESSAGE OUT AND FOR US, THERE
ARE NO GUARANTEES WHERE
ELECTIONS ARE CONCERNED.
>> A TIME WHEN THE ESTABLISHMENT
ELITES ARE DOING EVERYTHING THEY
CAN TO DEFEAT US AND WHEN DOZENS
OF GROUPS, LIKE UNIFOR PAY
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO RUN ADDS
AGAINST IT AND WHEN THEY HAVE
NEVER BEEN MORE CLEAR.
>> WHEN YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE NEVER
BEEN TAUGHT THE VALUE OF THOSE
FREE MARKET PRINCIPLES, WHERE
THEY'VE BEEN TAUGHT THAT THERE'S
SOMETHING WRONG WITH FREE MARKET
AND INDIVIDUALS LIBERTY AND IN
TIMES LIKE THESE, IT IS EVEN
MORE IMPORTANT FOR EVERY SINGLE
CONSERVATIVE TO STAY UNITE AND
DO EVERYTHING YOU COULD TO WORK
TOGETHER TO SPREAD OUR MESSAGE
OF HOPE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT KIND OF
CONSERVATIVE YOU ARE, OUR PARTY
NEEDS ALL OF YOU AND WE NEED YOU
TO GO OUT AND FIND MORE PEOPLE
WHO SHARE OUR BELIEFS.
PLEASE, STAY INVOLVED.
BE BOLD AND THINK AND CHALLENGE
THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA.
DON'T TAKE THEIR NARRATIVE AS
FACT.
CHECK OUTSMART, INDEPENDENT
OBJECTIVE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE
GROWING ALL THE TIME LIKE THE
POST MILLENNIALS OR TRUE NORTH.
THERE ARE OTHER PLACES TO GET
INFORMATION.
DON'T BE AFRAID TO CHALLENGE
LEFTIST PROFESSORS OR PUBLIC
FIGURES.
MILLIONS OF CANADIANS SHARE OUR
CONSERVATIVE VALUES AND THEY
JUST DON'T ALL KNOW IT YET.
NOW, I KNOW THAT WE CAN WIN THE
NEXT ELECTION.
[SPEAKING FRENCH]
>> WHEN I BECAME LEADER OF THE
PARTY IN 2017, WE HAD 99 SEATS.
TODAY, I AM LEAVING THE NEXT
LEADER WITH 121 AMAZING M.P.s
FROM COAST TO COAST.
IN 2015, WE WON AROUND 31% OF
THE VOTE, 2019 WE WON 34.4%, WON
THE POPULAR VOTE, AND FORMED THE
STRONGEST OPPOSITION IN CANADIAN
HISTORY.
I'M ALSO PROUD TO SAY TONIGHT
THAT THE PARTY, THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY OF CANADA IS OFFICIALLY
DEBT-FREE.
WE ARE IN AN EXCELLENT POSITION
BUT WE CANNOT BE COMPLACENT.
OUR PARTY'S UNITY HAS BEEN
TESTED IN THE PAST AND MEDIA
LOVED NOTHING MORE THAN WRITING
ABOUT DISGRUNTLED CONSERVATIVES.
THE DIFFERENT CANDIDATES AND
THEIR SORTERS HAVE BEEN
HIGHLIGHTING THE DIFFERENCES
BETWEEN THEM.
AFTER TONIGHT, LET'S ALL COME
TOGETHER AND FOCUS ON THE THINGS
THAT UNITE US.
WE MUST STAY SQUARELY
CONCENTRATED ON WORKING TOGETHER
AND FOCUSING ON THE MANY THINGS
WE SHARE IN COMMON.
[SPEAKING FRENCH] DIFFERENCES
BETWEEN LIBERALS AND
CONSERVATIVES HAVE NEVER BEEN
CLEARER.
THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A CRISIS
TO REWARD THEIR FRIENDS.
WE ARE FOCUSED ON HELPING
HARD-WORKING CANADIANS.
THEY WILL USE THE PANDEMIC AS AN
EXCUSE TO REWARD THEIR FRIENDS,
CONSERVATIVES WILL CLEAN UP
THEIR CORRUPTION.
THEY WILL PLAY THE POLITICS OF
ENVY, WE'VE SPREAD A MESSAGE OF
HOPE AND OPPORTUNITIES.
WHERE THEY WILL ATTACK OUR
ENERGY SECTOR, WE'LL CHAMPION IT
AND CELEBRATE THE PROSPERITY IT
CREATES FOR ALL CANADIANS.
WHERE THEY WILL DEMON EYES
IZE PEOPLEFOR HAVING DIFFERENT E
WILL NOT ATTACK PEOPLE FOR THEIR
DEEPLY HELD POSITIONS BUT LOOK
TO FIND THE COMMON GROUND.
[SPEAKING FRENCH]
>> WHERE THEY WILL LEAD AN
OTTAWA-CENTRED FEDERATION, WE
WILL RESPECT A PROVINCIAL
JURISDICTION AND THE QUEBEC
NATION.
WHEN THEY LET CANADIANS DOWN, AS
THEY ALWAYS DO, WE WILL BE READY
TO OFFER THEM A CONSERVATIVE
GOVERNMENT THAT PUTS PEOPLE
FIRST.
AND AFTER TONIGHT, LET'S ALL
RALLY BEHIND THE NEW LEADER  AND
DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE
SURE THAT THE NEXT LEADER OF THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY BECOMES THE
NEXT PRIME MINISTER OF THIS
GREAT COUNTRY.
SERVING IN THIS ROLE HAS BEEN
THE GREATEST HONOUR OF MY
PROFESSIONAL LIFE.
I WANT TO THANK ALL THE MEMBERS,
ALL THE VOLUNTEERS, THE MEMBER
OF OUR FANTASTIC TEAM, SO MUCH,
THIS HAS BEEN SUCH AN HONOUR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE
SUPPORT THAT YOU'VE GIVEN TO ME
AND MY FAMILY.
WE WILL GET THEM IN THE NEXT
ELECTION.
THANK YOU, VERY MUCH.
AND THE BALLOTS WERE SENT BY
ACCREDITED ENTREPRENEURS BETWEEN
THE THIRD AND THE 13th OF
JULY.
>> ALL FOUR CANDIDATES IN ORDER.
MEMBERS WERE REQUIRED TO RETURN
THEIR BALLOTS, ALONG WITH THE
SIGNED DECLARATION FORM AND A
COPY OF THEIR IDENTIFICATION TO
THE OFFICES OF DELOITTE HERE IN
OTTAWA PRIOR TO 5:00 P.M. ON
FRIDAY, AUGUST 21st.
STARTING BACK ON JULY 20th, WE
BEGAN PROCESSING BALLOTS AS THEY
WERE RECEIVED AND OVER THE LAST
MONTH, WE SUCCEEDED IN
PROCESSING A RECORD NUMBER OF
BALLOTS FOR A CANADIAN
LEADERSHIP RACE 174,849 BALLOTS
WERE VERIFIED.
ONCE THE VALIDITY OF THE
MEMBERSHIPS AND THE
IDENTIFICATION WAS CONFIRMED,
THE BALLOTS, WHICH REMAINED IN
THEIR SECRECIEN DEVELOP OPENS
WERE SET ASIDE IN SEALED BINS.
THIS MORNING, THESE BINS WERE
OPENED, AND WE COUNTED THE
BALLOTS USING TABULATORS,
CERTIFIED AND SUPPLIED BY
DOMINION VOTING SERVICES.
FROM THE TABULATORS, DOMINION
VOTING SERVICES WILL PRODUCE THE
FIRST-BALLOT RESULTS WHICH WILL
VERIFY BY DELOITTE AND APPROVED
BY THE CHIEF RETURNING OFFICERS.
IF BALLOTS ARE REQUIRED THE SAME
PROCESS WILL BE FOLLOWED.
EACH OF THE 338 ELECTORAL
DISTRICTS OR RIDINGS ARE WORTH
100 POINTS AND THESE POINTS ARE
ALLOCATED TO CANDIDATES BASED ON
THE PERCENTAGE OF VALID VOTES IN
THAT RIDING.
TO WIN, A LEADERSHIP CANDIDATE
MUST RECEIVE 16,901 POINTS.
WHICH IS 50% PLUS ONE OF THE
33,800 POINTS AVAILABLE.
[SPEAKING FRENCH]
>> EVERY STEP OF THE PROCESS WE
HAD TO ENSURE TOTAL TRANSPARENCY
FOR THE CANDIDATES AND THEIR
TEAMS.
THE THEY WERE ABLE TO BE PRESENT
FOR THE BALLOT AND ALL OF THAT
WAS DONE UNDER THE ATTENTIVE
SCRUTINY OF DELOITTE.
>> MANY MEMBERS TURNED INTO OUR
LIVE 24-HOUR WEB CAMS FROM THE
MOMENT IT OPENED UNTIL THIS
MORNING.
THIS IS ALL DONE TO ENSURE A
PROCESS THAT WAS ACCURATE,
TRANSPARENT, AND EFFICIENT AND
FAIR FOR OUR LEADERSHIP
CANDIDATES AND FOR THE MEMBERS
OF OUR PARTY.
WE'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE
MEMBERS OF LEADERSHIP ELECTION
ORGANIZING COMMITTEE AND THANK
THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE.
VALERIE FROM QUEBEC, JAY BATTY
FROM ONTARIO, LOIS BROWN FROM
ONTARIO, DAVID CONLEE, FROM THE
NORTH, TANYA CORBIT FROM BRITISH
COLUMBIA, STEPHEN DELANSKY FROM
ALBERTA, DIANNE FINLEY FROM
ONTARIO, MARGARIE FROM QUEBEC
AND LINDA FRUM AND SCOTT LAMB,
THE PRESIDENT FROM BRITISH
COLUMBIA, SAM MAGNUS FROM
SASKATCHEWAN, JUDY MANNING FROM
NEWFOUNDLAND, DON PLETT FROM
MANITOBA, AND KEVIN PRICE FROM
BEAUTIFUL NEW BRUNSWICK.
>> DAN, I DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE
AT HOME KNOW YOU DID NOT HAVE
THE PROVINCE'S NEXT TO THE NAMES
THAT YOU JUST LISTED OUT SO I'M
VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE FACT YOU
KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY IS FROM.
AND I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY LIKES
TO KNOW REPRESENTATION ACROSS
THE COUNTRY.
NOW, BEFORE WE WALK YOU THROUGH
HOW THIS NIGHT IS GOING TO
UNFOLD IN TERMS OF THE ELECTION
RESULTS, I WANTED TO TAKE A
MINUTE TO PAY TRIBUTE TO A DEAR
FRIEND AND A COLLEAGUE OF MINE
WHO HAS JUST ANNOUNCED SHE WILL
NOT BE RUNNING AS CONSERVATIVE
CANDIDATE IN THE NEXT ELECTION.
THE HONOURABLE DIANNE FINLEY,
WHO AS YOU JUST HEARD, IS ALSO
ON THE LEADERSHIP ELECTION
COMMITTEE, HAS BEEN OUR ROCK IN
THE CONSERVATIVE CAUCUS SINCE
2004.
SHE'S BEEN A LOYAL FRIEND TO
MANY AND A STRONG MENTOR TO
CAUCUS AND STAFF ALIKE AND SHE'S
ALWAYS EQUIPPED WITH THE DRY,
WHITY JOKE TO BRIGHTEN THE MOOD.
WHEN STEPHEN HARPER FORMED
GOVERNMENT IN 2006, HE ENTRUSTED
DIANNE TO RUN SEVERAL SENIOR
PORTFOLIOS WHERE SHE DEVELOPED
THE UNIVERSAL CHILDCARE BENEFIT,
RETIRED AND REPLACED THE AGING
SEA KING HELICOPTERS, AND
SECURED CITIZENSHIP FOR
THOUSANDS OF LOST CANADIANS WHO
CAME HERE AFTER WORLD WAR II.
I CAN TELL YOU, FROM EXPERIENCE,
THAT DIANNE WAS ALWAYS WELL
BRIEFED AND PREPARED AT THE
CABINET TABLE AND HER STAFF AND
OFFICIAL AND SOME OF MY CABINET
COLLEAGUES, CAN TELL YOU THAT
BRIEFING NOTES IN MEMOS ALWAYS
CAME BACK FILLED WITH
COMMENTARY, FURTHER QUESTIONS,
AND THE OCCASIONAL GRA MAT
TICKAL EDIT.
SHE SENT A CARE PACKAGE TO EVERY
NEW FEMALE M.P. ELECTED TO OUR
CAUCUS.
CONTAINING PRACTICAL ITEMS TO
HELP MAKE THE JOB EASIER.
NOW, I WOULD BE REMISED IF I
DIDN'T THANK DIANNE FOR SHARING
HER LATE HUSBAND AS WELL,
SENATOR DOUG FINLEY WITH OUR
PARTY FOR SO MANY YEARS.
DIANNE WAS DOUG'S ROCK AND HE
TIRELESSLY PLANNED AND
IMPLEMENTED VICTORIOUS
CONSERVATIVE CAMPAIGNS IN 2006
AND 2008, AND 2011.
DIANA PLIED SOME OF THE LESSONS
SHE LEARNED FROM DOUG OVER THE
LAST FIVE YEARS AS SHE CONDUCTED
ELECTION REVIEWS ACROSS THE
COUNTRY, SERVED AS OUR PARTY
CAUCUS LIAISON AND WAS A VITAL
MEMBER OF THE LAST TWO
LEADERSHIP ELECTIONS
ORGANIZATION COMMITTEES.
DIANNE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR
SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY, TO OUR
PARTY, AND TO HALDIMAND NORFOLK.
WE'RE GOING TO MISS YOU IN
PARLIAMENT.
>> YES, THANK YOU DIANNE FROM
OUR PART AS WELL.
OK, SO WE HAVE LINED UP AN
IMPRESSIVE GROUP OF HIGH-PROFILE
CANADIAN CONSERVATIVES FROM
ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO HELP US
MAKE TONIGHT'S ANNOUNCEMENTS.
WE'LL READ THEM OUT BY PROVINCE
FOR EACH CANDIDATE IN BALLOT
ORDER.
[SPEAKING FRENCH]
>> WE HAVE BROUGHT TOGETHER AN
IMPRESSIVE GROUP OF
WELL-CONNECTED CONSERVATIVES
FROM A CROSS THE COUNTRY TO
ANNOUNCE TONIGHT'S RESULTS.
EACH IS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE
PROVINCE AND WE WILL BE
PRESENTING THE -- RESULTS PER
PROVINCE BASED ON THE
CANDIDATES' NAME.
>> WE WILL BE GIVEN THE RESULTS
RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE WE'RE STILL
WAITING FOR THE LAST OF THE
PROCESSING TO HAPPEN FOR US IN
THE VOTES.
WHEN THEY ARE READY TO GIVE US
THE VOTES, THEY'RE GOING TO BE
GETTING A CALL FROM THE AUDITORS
AT DELOITTE AND THOSE RESULTS
WILL THEN BE READ OUT TO THE
REST OF US.
[SPEAKING FRENCH]
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
THEY WILL RECEIVE A CALL FROM
DELOITTE FROM THE ROOM WHERE THE
COUNTING IS HAPPENING AND THE
RESULTS WILL BE PRESENTED AFTER
THAT.
THE CANDIDATES AND ALL OF YOU
WILL HEAR THE RESULTS FOR THE
FIRST TIME.
THANK YOU.
>> AS I SAID, THE FOLKS WILL
RECEIVE A PHONE CALL FROM OUR
DELOITTE AUDITOR WHERE THE
BALLOT RESULTS WILL BE PULLED
LATER.
THE CANDIDATES AND YOU WILL HEAR
THESE RESULTS FOR THE FIRST TIME
RIGHT HERE TOGETHER.
WE'LL BE CHECK NORTH WITH THE
CANDIDATES WHEN DAN AND I
ANNOUNCE THE OFFICIAL AND
NATIONAL RESULTS.
AT THE END OF THE PROVINCIAL
RESULTS, IF WE GO TO MULTIPLE
BALLOTS WE MAY DO THIS THREE
TIMES.
>> WE'LL ANNOUNCE THE TOTAL
POINTS FOR EACH CANDIDATE ONLY.
OFFICIAL RIDING-BY RIDING VOTES.
THEY WILL BE POSTED ON THE PARTY
WEBSITE IF THEY HAVE THE
CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
WE WILL ANNOUNCE ONLY THE NUMBER
OF POINTS SECURED BY EACH
CANDIDATE.
THE VOTES AND THE OFFICIAL
PERCENTAGES FOR EACH RIDING WILL
BE PUBLISHED ON THE WEBSITE
SUBSEQUENTLY.
>> THE NUMBER IS 16,901.
THERE ARE A TOTAL NUMBER OF
33,800 POINTS UP FOR GRABS
TONIGHT.
EACH RIDING HAS 100 OF THESE
POINTS, SO THE FIRST CANDIDATE
TO REACH 16,901 POINTS, WHICH IS
50% PLUS ONE, WILL BE THE NEW
LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY
OF CANADA.
WE'LL GO BACK TO YOU WHEN WE
ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.
FOR NOW, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AND
SEE WHO WE HAVE GATHERED FROM
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
DAN, LET'S START WITH B.C.
>> Rosemary: YOU ARE WATCHING
SPECIAL COVERAGE HERE ON CBC
NEWS NETWORK IN CASE YOU WERE
TUNING IN FOR "THE NATIONAL" AND
ON CBC TELEVISION OF THE
CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP
CONVENTION RESULTS.
THE HEADLINES SO FAR, THERE ARE
NO RESULTS.
WE ARE STILL WAITING, THREE
HOURS AFTER THE PROGRAMME WAS
INTENDED TO BEGIN, FOR ANY
CONFIRMATION FRANKLY OF WHEN
FIRST-BALLOT RESULTS WILL BE
ANNOUNCED.
WE THOUGHT PERHAPS THEY WOULD
HAVE MORE INFORMATION AFTER THE
TRIBUTE TO ANDREW SCHEER, THE
HEAD OF THE LEADERSHIP CAMPAIGN
COMMITTEE.
DAN NOWLAN AND LISA RAITT.
WE KNOW THERE ARE THOUSANDS OFEN
OFENVELOPES THAT WERE DAMAGED AD
IT HAS SLOWED DOWN THE PROCESS
OF VERIFICATION OF THOSE BALLOTS
AND IN SPITE OF THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY'S DESIRE TO GET THE
PROGRAMME GOING, THERE ARE NO
RESULTS AND NO TIMES PROMISED
YET FOR THOSE RESULTS.
SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT STUCK IN
THE DARK ABOUT HOW THIS WILL
DEVELOP.
VASSY, I'LL START WITH YOU, I'M
NOT SURE IT'S A PARTICULARLY
GOOD SIGN WHEN THE LEADERS OF
THE LEADERSHIP ELECTION
ORGANIZING COMMITTEE ARE THERE
AND DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER
INFORMATION FOR US IN TERMS OF
WHEN THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
>> Vassy: I KNOW IF YOU WERE
LIKE ME BUT I WAS ON THE EDGE OF
MY SEAT WHEN THEY DESCRIBED HERE
IS HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK.
I WAS LIKE OH, IT'S HAPPENING.
IT'S ACTUALLY -- THEY'RE GOING
AND THEY'RE STARTING AT LEAST
WITH REGIONAL RESULT AND THEY
SAID BUT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.
THAT'S WHAT WE WILL DO IN THE
EVENT WE ACTUALLY HAVE ALL THE
BALLOTS COUNTED AND WE CAN TELL
YOU WHAT THE RESULTS ARE SO NO
UPDATED TIMELINE UNLESS I DIDN'T
HEAR IT.
NO UPDATED TIMELINE OTHER THAN
THEY'LL DO IT AS QUICKLY AS
POSSIBLE.
I'M EVEN FIELDING MESSAGES FROM
PEOPLE WITHIN THE CAMPAIGN OR
ORGANIZERS FOR THAT REGION WHO
ARE AT A LOSS AS TO WHAT IS
GOING ON AS WELL.
I'M VERY ANXIOUS ON THE EDGE OF
THEIR SEATS UNDERSTANDABLY SO,
TO TRY TO GET AT LEAST THE
FIRST-BALLOT RESULTS.
OBVIOUSLY THOUGH, GIVEN THE
NATURE OF THE VOTING, IT'S ALL
ON SORT OF ONE BALLOT AND IT'S
AUTOMATICALLY COUNTED EVEN
THOUGH IN SOME CASES, THE WHOLE
PROBLEM TONIGHT IS THAT SOME OF
THEM HAD TO BE ESSENTIALLY
RECOUNTED OR THERE WERE ISSUES
WITH THE BALLOTS SO PUT BACK
TOGETHER AND ROW MADE AND
COUNTED AGAIN.
THEY WOULD HAVE ALL THE CHOICES,
ALL THE RANKS ON THERE.
IT'S NOT AS THOUGH YOU CAN JUST
DO ONE BALLOT AND ANNOUNCE IT
AND COME BACK AND ALL OF A
SUDDEN FIND OUT THE NEXT ONE.
IT'S A BIT -- I GUESS THAT'S WHY
IT'S A BIT MORE DELAYED BUT WE
ARE COMING UP ON 10 AFTER 9:00.
THE NATIONAL RESULTS WERE
SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN HOURS AGO AND
WE STILL HAVE NO INDICATION OF
WHEN THEY MIGHT BE COMING UP
NOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, NOT IN ANYWAY WHAT
INEXPECTED, HOW ANYONE EXPECTED
THE NIGHT TO GO.
>> Rosemary: IF YOU ARE WATCHING
THIS ON CBC, THE MAIN NETWORK,
WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE THIS AT
10:30 EASTERN BECAUSE THERE'S A
HOCKEY GAME AND A LOT OF PEOPLE
ARE GOING TO WANT TO SEE THE
HOCKEY GAME AND WE OBVIOUSLY
EXPECTED THIS TO BE OVER BY
THEN.
SO THAT IS UNFORTUNATE FOR
VIEWERS YOU CAN GO TO CBC NEWS
NETWORK OR STREAM IT NO PROBLEM.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SEE
HOCKEY TOO.
SO THAT WILL HAPPEN AT 10:30
EASTERN IF YOU ARE WATCHING US
ON CBC.
YOU WANT TO KEEP WATCHING SWITCH
OVER AND I'LL REMIND YOU TO DO
THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.
LET ME GO TO HANNAH, AT WHAT
POINT -- I MEAN, I KNOW DAN
NOWLAN SAID THERE WOULD BE A
RESULT TONIGHT BUT AT 9:00 P.M.
EASTERN AND NO ONE IS GIVING US
A TIMELINE OF ANYTHING.
>> LET ME GIVE YOU A TIMELINE.
I'VE BEEN BUGGING MY SOURCES.
WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS IT COULD
BE 10:00 P.M.
IT'S CLEARLY NOT GOING TO BE THE
9:00 P.M. BECAUSE WE'RE AT 10
AFTER 9:00 AS OF NOW AND THEY
THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE THE TIME.
I'LL GO THROUGH WITH VIEWERS
WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE.
THEY'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH
SOME OF THEIR BALLOTS AND COUNT
SOMETHING OF THEIR BALLOTS.
THERE'S A FEW THOUSAND.
3,000 OF THOSE BALLOTS.
AS YOU MENTIONED, THE CHAIR OF
ONE OF THE CO CHAIRS OF THE
LEADERSHIP ORGANIZING COMMITTEE,
DAN NOWLAN TOLD THEY THEY'LL
HAVE A RESULT TONIGHT.
WE'RE ALL CROSSING OUR FINGERS
BECAUSE IT'S NOT EXPECTED TO BE
A FIRST ROUND RESULT.
YOU NEVER KNOW.
IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT IT'S A
FIRST ROUND RESULT AND IT COULD
GO TO THREE ROUNDS.
THERE'S STILL TIME TO DO IT.
THEY DID SAY THEY WOULD SPEED
THAT PROCESS UP.
WE'RE STILL WAITING TO HEAR HOW
THEY'RE DOING WITH THOSE
BALLOTS.
THERE ARE 3,000 TO 4,000 BALLOTS
AT THE MACHINE THAT OPENS THOSE
BALLOTS, SLICE AND CUT THEM.
THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GO THROUGH
THE PROCESSING ONE.
I'M GOING TO LOOK DOWN AT MY ARM
TO SEE IF IT'S ANYTHING.
WE GET BUSES ALL THE TIME.
STILL COULD BE 10:00 P.M. BEFORE
WE GET THOSE FIRST ROUNDS OF
RESULTS.
WHAT THEY DID IS CUT SOME OF
THOSE PAPERS ON THE BALLOT.
THEY HAD TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO
TAPE IT OR THEY HAD TO REDO THE
BALLOT ITSELF TO COUNT THOSE
BALLOTS.
THE REASON WHY THIS IS SO
IMPORTANT, I THINK, OUREN ERIC
GRENIER CAN TELL YOU HOW CLOSE
THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE IS
THOSE FEW THOUSAND BALLOTS COULD
MEAN A LOT IN A VERY TIGHT RACE.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT AND IN THESE
TIE RACES TOO, THOSE BALLOTS ARE
VITAL TO GET THEM THROUGH SO
THEY'RE STILL COUNTING THEM.
I'M CHECKING MY PHONE AND IT'S
STILL LOOKING LIKE AT THIS
POINT, AND I KNOW I'VE COME UP
AND I'VE SAID A FEW DIFFERENT
TIMES, 10:00 P.M. BEFORE WE GET
THOSE FIRST RESULTS.
>> Rosemary: OK.
YOU ARE QUITE RIGHT.
WE'VE SAID GIVEN DIFFERENT
TIMES, AS WE HEAR DIFFERENT
THINGS BUT GIVEN WE HAVE NOTHING
OFFICIAL COMING FROM THE PARTY
AS WE MIGHT EXPECT AND THE
SITUATION IS PRETTY FLUID, WE
GIVE YOU WHAT WE HAVE AND
KNOWING THAT IT COULD WELL
CHANGE.
HANNAH.
LET ME BRING IN CATHERINE CULLEN
AND SO I GUESS THEY'RE RUNNING
THROUGH THE -- GO AHEAD.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, A LOT OF
WAITING AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT
TO GO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
THIS IS WE'VE SAID THIS IS AN
UNPRECEDENTED RACE BECAUSE OF
THE PANDEMIC.
ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT THE
TEAMS HAD TO MAKE IN TERMS OF
CONDUCTING SO MUCH OF THEIR WORK
VIA ZOOM AND THERE WAS A DEBATE
THEY SHOWED UP IN MASKS AND THEY
HAD TO BE PHYSICALLY DISTANCED
AND ALL THE WORK THAT WENT INTO
ORGANIZING THIS EVENT TRYING TO
FIND A WAY TO DRUM UP A BIT OF
DRAMA, I GUESS, WHEN YOU CAN'T
HAVE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.
YOU'VE GOT A SENSE OF IT THERE
WHEN THE VARIOUS REPRESENTATIVES
WERE SPEAKING AND THERE'S NO
APPLAUSE, IT LOSES A LITTLE BIT
OF SOMETHING.
EVERYBODY IS DOING THEIR BEST OF
THINKING THE VARIOUS CHALLENGES
THEY FACE AND IT'S THE ENVELOPES
THAT WILL TRIP THEM UP.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY IMPORTANT
TOO SINCE WE'VE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT THESE ENVELOPES FOR THREE
DAYS AND LET ME GIVE A QUICK
SUMMARY OF WHERE THINGS STAND IN
TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING
BECAUSE WE'RE WAITING FOR THOSE
RESULTS THAT WE WERE
ANTICIPATING BROADLY WHAT
CONSERVATIVES WERE SAYING IS
THEY DIDN'T THINK THIS WOULD BE
DECIDED IN THE FIRST ROUND.
EVERYONE I WILL SAY DID SEEM
PRETTY OPEN TO SURPRISES.
THE CONSERVATIVES THAT I'VE
SPOKEN TO, THIS OBVIOUSLY, NOT
THE SURPRISE ANYONE EXPECTED.
IT COULD GO AS MUCH AS THREE
POUNDS.
PETER MacKAY, ERIN O'TOOLE THE
TWO FRONT RUNNERS.
EVERYONE THOUGHT PETER MacKAY
WOULD COME OUT STRONG IN THE
FIRST BALLOT.
THE QUESTION IS WOULD HE HAVE
THE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT THAT
STARTED WITH A FOUR AND
SOMETHING BIG ENOUGH TO PUNISH
HIM OVER THE EDGE BECAUSE ERIN
O'TOOLE MADE AN APPEAL TO BE THE
SECOND CHOICE CANDIDATE AND
LESLYN LEWIS IN PARTICULAR
RUNNING A STRONGER CAMPAIGN THAN
A LOT OF PEOPLE EXPECTED.
A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM IN THE PARTY
ABOUT SOMEONE WHO IS A RELATIVE
POLITICAL NEWCOMERS BUT SEEN AS
A FRESH VOICE.
SOMEONE WHO IS A SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVE BUT YOU'VE HEARD
SOME OF THE GUESTS TALKING ABOUT
THE WAY THAT SHE ARTICULATED
THOSE SOCIALLY CONSERVATIVE
PRINCIPLES IN A WAY THAT PEOPLE
WHO DIDN'T HAVE THOSE VIEWS HAD
A LOT OF RESPECT FOR.
THE QUESTION IS, IF IN DEED
DEREK SLOAN AND LESLYN LEWIS ARE
THE THIRD AND FOURTH PLACE,
WHERE DOES THAT SUPPORT GO?
WELL, ROSEMARY, I CAN'T TELL YOU
AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WHEN WE'RE
GOING TO FIND OUT.
I CAN PULL THAT MOVE FROM.
>> Hannah:  HANNAH
AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING NEW.
WE WAIT AND WE WAIT.
>> Rosemary: WELL, IN SOME GOOD
NEWS, FOR PEOPLE THAT WERE
JUGGLING MULTIPLE SCREENS OR
NOT, THE RAPTORS HAVE SWEPT
THEIR SERIES FOR THE FIRST TIME.
IT WAS ONLY THE FIRST ROUND BUT
BECAUSE IT'S CANADA'S TEAM I
FEEL LIKE I CAN GIVE THAT
INFORMATION.
IT'S GOOD.
 [LAUGHTER]
SO, OF COURSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU
ARE WAITING FOR HOCKEY TOO AND
I'LL BRING YOU DETAILS ON WHEN
THAT WILL HAPPEN ON CBC
TELEVISION.
WE'RE JUST WAIT TO GO SEE WHAT
THE TIMELINE IS TELLING US.
THAT WOULD AT LEAST GIVE US A
SENSE OF TIMING AND HOW LONG IT
WILL GO AND IT WAS MADE A POINT
IT WOULD BE SURPRISING FOR THIS
TO HAPPEN ON A FIRST BALLOT.
I THINK ALL CAMPS WOULD TELL YOU
THAT.
ANYONE TO GET 50% PLUS ONE, THAT
WOULD BE SURPRISING.
EVEN IF WE KNOW THE FIRST ROUND
OF BALLOTS, WHICH WOULD GIVE US
A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE
DIRECTION THIS IS HEADED,
CERTAINLY, I DON'T THINK ANYONE
THINKS THAT IT WILL BE OVER
AFTER 10:00.
SO, WE'RE HERE FOR A LITTLE
WHILE LONGER.
I HATE TO TELL YOU.
I KNOW SOME OF YOU ARE
MESMERIZED BY THE LIGHTENING.
I'M SAFE BUT IT'S DISTRACTING
SO, MAYBE THAT WILL CAM DOWN AS
WELL.
LET ME GO NOW TO KORY TENEYCKE
WHO HAS BEEN FOLLOWING ALONG
WITH US AND TALKING TO PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, ARE YOU
HEARING THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN
TONIGHT.
ARE WE AT A POINT YET WHERE THIS
IS POSSIBLE WE SAY GOOD-BYE AND
TRY AGAIN TOMORROW?
>> I THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN
TONIGHT.
I THINK WE WILL FIND OUT.
>> Rosemary: GOOD.
>> I THINK NO ONE REALLY KNOWS
FOR SURE WHAT'S GOING ON.
RUMOURS ARE FLYING AROUND AT THE
SPEED OF LIGHT IN OTTAWA AND
ELSEWHERE BY PHONE AND TEXT.
FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT VALUE OF
YOUR VIEWERS, I THOUGHT I MIGHT
SHARE A FEW OF THE THINGS FLYING
AROUND AND WHO KNOWS WHAT LEVEL
THESE THINGS ARE TRUE.
>> Rosemary: YOU ARE NOT A
REPORTER, SO THESE ARE RUMOURS.
>> I'M NOT A REPORTER.
I'M GOING TO SPECULATE WILDLY
FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT.
BASED ON RUMOURS AND TEXT AND
CALLS THAT HAVE I'VE BEEN
RECEIVING FROM PEOPLE IN VARIOUS
CAMPAIGNS.
I'LL MAYBE PREFACE IT IF THERE
ARE LONG DELAYS IT'S QUITE
POSSIBLE THAT THOSE DELAYS ARE
COMING FROM LEGAL CHALLENGES
BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT CAMPAIGNS
AS OPPOSED TO THE VOTE ACTUALLY
COUNT NOT ACTUALLY BEING
CONCLUDED.
IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE SEEN IN
PAST LEADERSHIPS.
I WOULD SPECULATE IN AN INFORMED
FASHION THAT'S LIKELY PART OF
WHAT IS GOING ON.
NOW, ONE OF THE MORE INTERESTING
RUMOURS THAT IS FLYING AROUND IS
THAT AS EXPECTED, ERIN O'TOOLE
HAS LED THE POPULAR VOTE BUT IS
NOT LEADING IN THE POINTS.
THE DELICIOUS IS HE IS IN THIRD
IN THE POINTS AND LESLYN LEWIS
IS IN SECOND.
IF THAT'S TRUE, THIS IS THE MOST
EPIC, INTERESTING RACE WE'VE
SEEN IN A VERY LONG TIME.
IT COULD ALSO JUST BE PEOPLE
PLAYING THE GAME OF TELEPHONE
WITH EACH OTHER AND NO ONE KNOWS
WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IN PAST EXPERIENCES, FOR
INSTANCE, THE FORD LEADERSHIP,
THE VOTES COUNT WAS DONE HOURS
BEFORE ANY RESULTS WERE PUT OUT
BECAUSE OF LEGAL CHALLENGES FROM
OTHER TEAMS.
SO, THAT CAN BE TIME-CONSUMING.
LAWYERS DON'T DO ANYTHING,
ESPECIALLY ON THINGS LIKE THIS
ASSOCIATED WITH POLITICAL
CAMPAIGNS SO WHO KNOWS HOW LONG
THIS IS GOING TO GO ON AND WHAT
IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
IF NOTHING ELSE, THE RUMOURS ARE
FANTASTIC AND I THINK WE SHOULD
JUST KEEP TALKING ABOUT THEM AS
LONG AS POSSIBLE.
 [LAUGHTER]
>> Rosemary: UM, WELL, LET ME GO
TO THE PART THAT SEEMS THE MOST
PLAUSIBLE AND THAT IS THAT
SCRUTINEER LAWYERS ARE WAITING.
IT'S NOT THAT YOU APPROVE A
BALLOT, YOU SAY NO, I HAVE AN
ISSUE WITH THE BALLOT.
FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHAT
HAPPENS?
WHO ADJUDICATES THAT OR DECIDES
WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?
>> IT CAN BE THAT PROCESS OR IT
CAN BE THE SOFTWARE THAT'S
LOOKING AT THE TABULATION.
IT CAN BE LOOKING AT WHETHER OR
NOT THE CORRECT NUMBER OF
BALLOTS WERE REGISTERED IN EACH
INDIVIDUAL CONSTITUENCY
ASSOCIATION.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE THING IS WE'VE
TALKED ABOUT MANY TIMES TONIGHT,
IT HAS THE LARGEST IMPACT ON THE
VOTE OUTCOME.
SO, THAT'S OFTEN I THINK WHERE
YOU HAVE THE MOST CONFLICT
BETWEEN TEAMS IS BETWEEN AREAS
AROUND THAT SO IT COULD BE A
HAPPENEDFUL OF DISPUTED BALLOTS
IN SOME CASES OR IT COULD BE A
COUNT DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN ONE
TEAM AND ANOTHER IN TERMS OF HOW
MANY VOTES THEY EXPECT TO SEE IN
AN INDIVIDUAL CONSTITUENCY AND
TRYING TO GO THROUGH AND RESOLVE
THAT.
WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IN THE
LAST RACE, 60 VOTES WOULD HAVE
BEEN ENOUGH TO FLIP THE RESULTS
SO, EVERY VOTE GETS ARGUED OVER
IF IF IT'S IN A RIDING WITH A
BIG IMPACT.
IF THAT IS THE CASE, AND AS I
SAY, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.
ALL WE'RE GETTING IS HUMANNORS
AND I CAN SAY, SOMETIMES RUMOURS
ARE TRUE AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE
NOT.
IT'S CERTAINLY PLAUSIBLE THOSE
ARGUMENTS ARE GOING ON BETWEEN
THE TEAMS.
THE YOU ONLY ARGUE IF THE RESULT
IS CLOSE OR THE RESULT IS NOT
THE ONE YOU WERE ANTICIPATING
FOR YOUR CANDIDATE.
>> Rosemary: I WAS JUST GOING TO
SAY, AND TEAMS THAT WERE PUSHING
MEMBERSHIP DRIVES AND TRYING TO
COORDINATE VOTES AND SENT THEM
IN BULK, FOR INSTANCE, THEY
MIGHT HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT
NUMBERS THEY'RE EXPECTING IN
CERTAIN RIDINGS, IS THAT FAIR TO
SAY?
>> YEAH.
WELL, CAMPAIGNS HAVE THEIR VOTER
I.D. LISTS AND THEY MIGHT
BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO
GET 90 OUT OF 100 VOTES AND ONE
PARTICULAR RIDING JUST TO KEEP
THE MATH SIM PEL AND THEY LOOK
AT THE NUMBERS AND THEY HAD 76.
THAT WOULD BE AN INDICATION THAT
MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG
THERE AND YOU MIGHT TRY TO THROW
A FLAG ON THAT OR TAKE A LOOK AT
THE MATH A SECOND TIME.
YOU DO KNOW UNTIL DAYS AFTER
WHAT HAS HAPPENED AND SOME OF
THESE CASES AND SOME CASES YOU
NEVER FULLY KNOW, LIKE IN THE
LAST LEADERSHIP RACE, THE NUMBER
OF THE BALLOTS WERE DESTROYED
THE NIGHT OF THE VOTE EVEN
THOUGH THE VOTE WAS IN DISPUTE.
THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE AUDITORS
THERE AND A BUNCH OF PEOPLE TO
TROY TONE SURE THE INTEGRITY OF
THE PROCESS AND WHY IF YOU ARE
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LEADING THIS
PROCESS, YOU WANT TO BE CAREFUL
BEFORE YOU ANNOUNCE ANYTHING.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE ON
REASON WE GOT AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON
THE PROVINCIAL ELECTION, BECAUSE
WE WERE GOING TO ANNOUNCE THE
RESULT IF THEY DIDN'T.
IT WAS THE ON GOING PROCESS OF
DEBATE OVER THIS STUFF WAS JUST
A NEVER ENDING TURN.
>> YEAH AND YOU DO WANT TO GET
NO THAT SITUATION BECAUSE THINGS
GET HAIRY AND DIFFICULT FOR THE
UNITY OF THE PARTY.
>> DUE WANT THAT AVOIDED BUT AS
TENSE AS IT IS, THE TENSION
INSIDE THAT COUNT ROOM FOR THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE OFFICIALS LOOKING
AT IT AND THE TEAMS AND LEGAL
COUNSEL LOOKING AT IT, THE
TENSION IS MULTIPLE.
>> Rosemary: SURE, OK.
THANK YOU FOR THAT KORY.
WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU AS THINGS
UNFOLD.
THANK YOU.
LET ME GO BACK TO THE FORMER
INDUSTRY MINISTER, FORMER
HERITAGE MINISTER, I CAN'T
REMEMBER WHAT OTHER PORTFOLIO HE
HAD NOW AT DENTON'S, JAMES MOORE
IS OUT IN B.C.
THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK.
YOU WEREN'T -- WE DIDN'T HAVE
YOU BACK BUT WE'RE GLAD YOU ARE
BACK.
WHAT ARE YOU HEARING ABOUT THE
DELAY AND WHAT ARE YOU THINKING
AS YOU WATCH THINGS UNFOLD?
>> WELL, THE MOST IMPORTANT
THING IS THE RESULTS ARE
ACCURATE AND CREDITABLE,
ACCEPTED AND PRECISE AND
CERTAINLY RESPECTED BY ALL THOSE
WHO ARE CONTESTING LEADERSHIP
AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE OF THE
MEMBERS.
IT'S IMPORTANT THEY GET IT
RIGHT.
IT'S FRUSTRATING FOR YOU AND FOR
YOUR FELLOW BROADCASTERS AND THE
OTHER NETWORKS AND PARTY MEMBERS
AND THOSE WHO WANT RESULTS BUT
IT'S IMPORTANT THIS BE DONE
RIGHT AND PRECISELY AND THAT'S
WHAT MATTERS MOST.
AT THE END OF IT WE'LL HAVE A
LEADER ANNOUNCED AND WE'LL HAVE
AND THAT WILL BE THE LIGHT TOPIC
TOMORROW AND THESE RUNNINGS AND
THEY ARE AND FRUSTRATING THEY
ARE TEDIOUS AS THEY MAY SEEM,
IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE REALITY OF
HAVING TO GET THIS DONE JUST
RIGHT.
>> Rosemary: I DID MORE THAN
EIGHT HOURS ON ELECTION NIGHT.
ANOTHER GOOD FOR ANOTHER FEW
HOURS AT LEAST.
>> YOU WORE A COUPLE TAP DANCING
SHOES.
>> THERE'S GOING TO BE RESULTS
TONIGHT WHEN YOU -- DO YOU THINK
THAT IT WILL HAPPEN THAT DAN
NOWLAN THINKS IT WILL.
DO YOU THINK IT WILL HAPPEN
TONIGHT?
>> I HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD THAT
THEY'LL BE PUSH BACK TONIGHT AND
I HAVEN'T HEARD WHISPER AND I
HAVE CONFERENCED THAT WE'LL HAVE
RESULTS TONIGHT AND HAVE A GOOD
CONVERSATION ABOUT WHO THE NEXT
LEADER WILL BE AND HOW THAT
PERSON MEASURES UP AS OPPOSED TO
PRIME MINISTER TRUDEAU.
>> TALK ABOUT THAT, ABOUT --
OBVIOUSLY WE TALKED EARLIER
ALTHOUGH PEOPLE MAY NOT HAVE
SEEN THAT IN THE 5:00 HOUR.
WE TALKED ABOUT UNIFYING THE
PARTY AND THAT KIND OF STUFF
WHAT ABOUT RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE
POSITIONING THEMSELVES AGAINST
JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND WHETHER -- I
DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD MENTION
THE WE COULDN WE CONTROVERSY BUO
YOU EXPECT THAT FRONT?
>> WHEN CONSERVATIVE TISM LOSES
OPTIMISM IT FAILS.
I THINK CONSERVATIVE HAVE TO
PROVIDE A BOARD, FORWARD LOOKING
VERSION AND IF ALL WE'RE DOERG,
IF ALL WE'RE DOING IS REHEARSING
AND RETRENCHING OURSELVES IN THE
SPEECH FROM MR. SCHEER TONIGHT,
AND I THINK THAT'S MISSING THE
MOMENT.
WE NEED TO LOOK BEYOND LOOK
AHEAD FIVE OR 10 YEARS AND THINK
ABOUT THE KIND OF CANADA THAT WE
WOULD BUILD THAT WOULD BE
DIFFERENT THAN THAT OF THE
LIBERALS.
SO I THINK THAT IS CLEARLY VERY
MUCH WHAT IS HONORED AND THAT'S
WHAT PEOPLE HAVE AN APPETITE
FOR.
THERE'S A DIFFERENT REALITY IF
IT'S ERIN O'TOOLE AND PETER
MacKAY.
ERIN MADE A BIG POINT OF HIS
CAMPAIGN THAT HE IS READY TO GO
AND HE WILL BE THERE IN
PARLIAMENT IN FIVE WEEKS WHEN
PARLIAMENT COMES BACK.
AND I SUSPECT HE HAS TO PLAN TO
DO THAT AND SO, YOU KNOW, BOTH
OF THEM WILL HAVE TO SPEAK
BEYOND PARLIAMENT AND WITHIN
PARLIAMENT BUT THEY'RE READY TO
HIT THE GROUND RUNNING AND MOVE
FORWARD AND UNITE THE CAUCUS AND
BUILD OUT AND GET READY FOR THE
NEXT WE MAY HAVE TO CALL BACK IF
THINGS GO SIDEWAYS AGAIN, THANK
YOU SO MUCH.
>> LET'S HOPE NOT.
>> Rosemary: LET'S HOPE NOT.
LET'S ALL TOGETHER HOPE NOT.
THANK YOU.
TALK AGAIN SOON.
THAT IS JAMES MOORE OUT THERE IN
BRITISH COLUMBIA WHERE HE IS
WATCHING ALONG WITH OTHER
CONSERVATIVES AS WE WAIT FOR
SOME RESULTS AT SOME POINT.
LET ME BRING BACK MY COLLEAGUES,
"POWER & POLITICS" HOST VASSY
KAPELOS, CATHERINE CULLEN AND
HANNAH THIBEDEAU STICKING AROUND
AS WELL TO TALK MORE ABOUT WHAT
WE ARE EXPECTING NOW.
SO WE ARE AT 9:25 EASTERN AND
THE LATEST WE HAD HEARD WAS THAT
WE MIGHT START GETTING SOMETHING
IN HALF AN HOUR'S TIME.
THE WAY THINGS HAVE BEEN PLANNED
BEFORE, THERE WOULD BE ALMOST NO
PAUSE BETWEEN THE FIRST ROUND OF
RESULTS AND THE SECOND.
IT WOULD HAPPEN AT A FAIRLY
STEADY CLIP.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS --
I'M NOT SURE HOW QUICKLY THEY
CAN GET THAT DONE.
I'M GOING TO LOOK AT A SHEET
FROM OLDER TIMES.
SO IF WE WERE SUPPOSED TO START
BALLOT ONE AT 6:30, THEY SAID WE
COULD BE DONE BY 8:00.
THAT'S IN AN HOUR AND A HALF.
>> Vassy: THAT SCHEDULE.
>> Rosemary: ALL THE SCHEDULES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD TRY
AND SHRINK THAT DOWN EVEN MORE
BECAUSE AN HOUR AND A HALF SEEMS
LIKE A LONG TIME IF YOU WERE
ALREADY STARTING AT 10:00.
>> Vassy: MY UNDERSTANDING IS
THEY ARE TRYING TO AND LISA
RAITT INDICATED WHEN THEY SPOKE
WITH HANNAH THEY'RE TRYING TO
TRUNCATE THE SCHEDULE TO A
CERTAIN DEGREE AS MUCH AS THEY
CAN.
THEY'RE VERY COGNIZANT OF THE
FACT THAT THIS IS VERY LATE AND
THAT IT IS VERY DELAYED AND THAT
LIKE JAMES POINTED OUT, YOU 
KNOW, BEYOND UNIVERSITY THEY
WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING
AS WELL SO THERE SEEMS TO BE
SOME CONVERSATIONS IN THAT AREA
AND AGAIN, THAT IS NOTHING IS
CONFIRMED AND AS WELL, EVEN THE
10:00 START, I'M HEARING THAT
THEY AREN'T EVEN SAYING THAT IS
100% AT THIS POINT.
JUST BASED ON ONE OTHER THING
THAT KORY MENTIONED AROUND
WHETHER OR NOT THERE MIGHT BE
LEGAL CHALLENGERS IF THAT'S
ALREADY STARTING, I REACHED OUT
TO MOST OF THE CAMPAIGNS AND SO
FAR THEY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING
SPECIFIC WILL BRINGING IN THE
LAWYERS BUT THEY'RE GETTING WAY
MORE FRUSTRATED, I WILL SAY,
THAN THEY WERE LET'S SAY AN HOUR
AND A HALF AGO OR EVEN TWO HOURS
AGO WHERE THEY KIND OF
UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WAS
TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES AND FELT
LIKE OK, WE'LL BE PATIENT.
THERE'S A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL OF
FRUSTRATION RIGHT NOW,
ESPECIALLY AROUND NOT HAVING ANY
ANSWERS ABOUT WHEN THIS MIGHT
ACTUALLY BE DONE.
THAT WAS AT FIRST FUELING SOME
WORRY AND NOW IT'S LED TO
FRUSTRATION.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, I THINK
THAT'S FAIR TO SAY.
THESE FOUR INDIVIDUALS HAVE PUT
THEIR LIVES ON HOLD FOR AN
EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
THEY ARE WAIT TO GO SEE IF
THEY'RE GETTING A BIG JOB AS THE
LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION.
THAT'S FRUSTRATING AND DIFFICULT
TO LIVE THROUGH IF YOU WERE A
CANDIDATE, I WOULD THINK.
>> YEAH, DEFINITELY AND THAT'S
DEFINITELY THE VIBE THAT I'M
GETTING FROM THEIR CAMPAIGN.
THEY'RE ALL SAYING THE SAME
THING WE ARE, WHAT IS GOING ON.
WHY ISN'T THIS HAPPENING ANY
FASTER.
THEY'RE VERY ANXIOUS FOR ANSWERS
AND UNDERSTANDABLY SO.
>> Rosemary: VASSY, THANK YOU
FOR THAT.
MAYBE I'LL GO TO CATHERINE
CULLEN NOW TO GET YOUR TAKE ON
WHAT YOU ARE HEARING.
I SEE HANNAH TEXTING AWAY SO SHE
WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY IN A
MINUTE.
>> Catherine: TALK ABOUT THE
SIGNIFICANCE OF THE TIMING OF
ALL OF THIS, ROSEMARY AND THE
FRUSTRATION VASSY WAS TALKING
ABOUT.
THE LATEST AND LATER IT GETS AND
MER WE CRASH INTO DEAD LINES FOR
MEDIA AND THE HOCKEY GAME AND
WHAT NOT, THE CONCERN ON THE
PART OF THE CAMPS, YES, IS JUST
LIKE A HUMAN CONCERN AS YOU SAY,
PEOPLE NOT ONLY THE ASPIRING
LEADERS THEMSELVES BUT THEIR
CAMPAIGN TEAMS HAVE PUT THEIR
LIVES ON HOLD IN MANY WAYS.
ALSO, BECAUSE OF THIS IDEA THAT
A SWITCH SORT OF FLIPS, RIGHT,
WHEN THE LEADER IS ANNOUNCED AND
THE EFFORT BEGINS TO INTEREST OR
IN THE CASE OF PETER MacKAY
INTO SOME EXTENT ERIN O'TOOLE
REINTRODUCE THAT PERSON TO
CANADIANS.
ESPECIALLY WITH THIS IDEA THAT
THERE THERE'S GREAT IMPORTANCE
LETTING CANADIANS KNOW THIS IS
OUR NEW LEADER AND GETTING THEM
OUT IN FRONT AND THE NOWHERE THE
AUDIENCE FALLS AWAY AND IT'S
DISAPPOINTING BEYOND JUST THAT
HUMAN FRUSTRATION OF WANTING TO
KNOW WHAT THE HECK IS GOING TO
HAPPEN.
I'M ALSO HEARING THE SAME THING
IS THE POSSIBILITY TRUNCATING
THIS AND IT COULD BE WRAPPED BY
10:30, BUT LET'S SEE.
LET'S WAIT AND SEE.
MAYBE HANNAH HAS GOTTEN A TEXT
TO THAT EFFECT.
>> THERE SEEMS CERTAINLY TO BE
AN AWARENESS OF THE PRESSURES OF
HOCKEY AND OTHER THINGS AND
OTHERS HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND
CERTAINLY, A DESIRE TO MAKE SURE
THAW MAKE DEAD LINES FOR
NEWSPAPERS AS WELL AND AND I
THINK THAT YOU ARE RIGHT THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY KNOWS ONE OF
THE MOST IMMEDIATE THINGS THEY
HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEIR LEADER
IS WELL-KNOWN TO MANY CANADIANS
AND THAT WILL BE A CHALLENGE
DEPENDING ON WHO WINS AND A
CHALLENGE OF VARYING PREPORTIONS
BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY
HAVE TO START RIGHT AWAY AND LET
ME GO TO HANNAH ON THE GROUND
TECHING AND HEARING THINGS.
HAVE YOU GOT ANYTHING FOR US?
>> Hannah: NO, THE LAST THING I
DID HEAR AND I HATE TO SAY NO.
WE HEARD IT WOULD BE A 10:00
P.M. START.
I'M TALKING WITH MY SOURCES
HYPED THE SCENES AND WATCHING MY
PHONE.
THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE
AN UPDATE FOR ME IN ABOUT FIVE
TO 10 MINUTES SO LET US KNOW
WHAT IS HAPPENING.
IF ANYTHING HAPPENS WHILE I'M ON
AIR WE'LL BRING THAT TO THEM.
AS EVERYONE IS SAYING THAT WE'RE
WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS
STARTS, I ASSUME IT'S GOING TO
BE A TRUNCATED ANNOUNCEMENT AND
THEY'LL GO THROUGH IT MUCH MORE
QUICKLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT IT
HAS BEEN DELAYED FOR SO LONG.
I PUT THAT QUESTION OUT THERE.
WE'RE WAIT TO GO SEE IF WE GET
ANSWERS ON THAT.
IT HAS BEEN DELAYED BECAUSE OF
THE THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS.
FROM THE ROOMS THEMSELVES, FROM
THE DIFFERENT LEADERSHIP CAMPS,
THEY'RE STILL HAVING FUN BUT I
THINK IF YOU GET THE FEEL DOWN
HERE A BIT HAS GONE OUT OF IT A
SMIDGEN BECAUSE OF THE WAITING
TIME.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD IT OR
NOT, EITHER, BUT EVEN WHEN THEY
HAD THAT FIRST PART OF THE
PROGRAMME THERE WAS A HUGE
THUNDERSTORM AND IT WAS AN
OMINOUS FEEL BECAUSE THE
THUNDERSTORM WAS COMING DOWN
DURING THAT PART.
THEY HAVE TO GET TO THIS.
THEY HAVE TO GET THOSE BALLOTS
READ.
THERE'S A LITTLE UMF BEING TAKEN
OUT OF THE LEADERSHIP RACE
BECAUSE OF THE DELAYS SO FAR.
THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE 3,000 TO
4,000 BALLOTS THEY'RE STILL
TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE
MACHINES.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY STILL
THEY HAVE LEFT TO COUNT BUT
WE'RE STILL WAITING TO HEAR HOW
LONG THAT MIGHT TAKE AND I AM
KEEPING AN EYE ON MY PHONE EVERY
SECOND, BECAUSE, I'VE GOT A LOT
OF CALLS OUT THERE.
AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I'M
REACHING OUT TO EACH OF THE
ROOMS AND THEY'RE SAYING, WELL,
YOU KNOW, IT IS SLOW BUT THEY
ARE STILL HOPEFUL THAT THEY'LL
GET THIS DONE SOON.
I WANT TO BRING IN, I HAVE A
GUEST FOR YOU, ROSIE.
>> LOOK AT YOU GO.
>> YEAH.
WE HAVE MARILYN GLADU, SHE'S AN
CONSERVATIVE M.P. AND A
CANDIDATE AT THE BEGINNING OF
THIS RACE AND HAS DROPPED OUT.
BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT REASONS.
FIRST OFF, YOU KNOW, HOW IS
EVERYBODY FEELING WITH THE
DELAYS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW?
>> WELL, OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY WAS
EXCITED FOR THE RESULTS AND AS
THE HOURS GO IT'S LESS AND
PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED TO FIND OUT
WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AND GET TO
THE RESULTS, HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE
THOSE ANY MOMENT.
>> Hannah: IS IT TAKING A LITTLE
BIT OF UMPH OUT OF THIS.
THERE WAS A LOT MORE EXCITEMENT
WHEN WE FIRST GOT HERE AND NOW
IT'S WE REALLY NEED TO GET GOING
NOW.
>> MANY OF YOU WILL REMEMBER THE
PROVINCIAL ONTARIO ELECTION
WHERE I THINK THEY WERE STALLED
FOR ABOUT EIGHT HOURS WITH A
PROBLEM WITH THE BALLOT COUNTING
AS WELL.
AT THE END OF IT, MOST PEOPLE
HAD LEFT THE ROOM.
HOPEFULLY FOLKS WILL STAY
ENGAGE, BECAUSE WE NEED TO HEAR
THE RESULTS BUT, THEY ARE 97% IS
COMPLETE.
I WANT TO TALK HOW ABOUT ANDREW
SCHEER'S SPEECH.
IT WAS HIS FAREWELL SPEECH.
THE LAST TIME WE'LL HEAR HIM AS
THE CONSERVATIVE LEADER.
WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF IT?
DID YOU FEEL IT WAS A UNITY
SPEECH?
>>
>> HE SUMMED UP WHAT HE HAS
ACHIEVED OVER HIS YEARS.
I KNOW THAT PEOPLE IN THE MOMENT
IN POLITICS ARE NOT ALWAYS KIND,
BUT I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT
WHAT HE DID ACHIEVE IN TERMS OF
GAINING SEATS FOR THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY AND WINNING
THE POPULAR VOTE, AND REALLY
PUTTING TOGETHER A VERY STRONG
TEAM AND THAT IS HIS LEGACY AND
I THINK MANY OF THE THINGS THAT
HE WANTED TO SEE COME TO
FRUITION IN THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY HAPPENED.
HE HAS POSITIONED US WELL FOR
THE NEXT LEADER AND I WISH HIM
AND JILL ALL THE BEST.
I'M SURE, THIS IS GOING TO BE
THIS IS A RELIEF FOR HIM TO
SPEND TIME WITH HIS CHILDREN.
THIS IS A DEMANDING JOB.
THANK YOU TO ANDREW FOR
EVERYTHING HE DID AND FOR JILL
TO SACRIFICE FOR HER AND THE
CHILDREN ALL THE TIME THEY
SPENT.
>> Hannah: LET'S TALK ABOUT
BEING A CANDIDATE IN A RACE.
YOU WERE A CANDIDATE AT THE
BEGINNING.
YOU HAD TO DROP OUT.
WHAT IS IT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN
THESE TIMES?
IT MUST BE STRESSFUL BUT ALSO,
YOU WERE ONE OF TWO FEMALE
CANDIDATES.
NOW THERE'S ONE FEMALE
CANDIDATE.
WHAT IS IT LIKE BEING A FEMALE
CANDIDATE IN A RACE AMONGST?
>> I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW,
MUCH OF THE LOGISTICS OF THE
THINGS IS NOT THE SAME FOR
EVERYBODY.
LOTS OF INTERVIEWS AND WORK
BEING DONE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD SAY
AND I THINK IT WAS POINTED OUT
TODAY, THERE'S LESS COVERAGE FOR
WOMEN RETURNING FOR THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY AND I KNOW
THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF CHAT ON
TWITTER TODAY ABOUT HOW KAMALA
HARRIS HAD 31 ARTICLES IN THE
"TORONTO STAR" VERSUS LESLYN
LEWIS WITH ONLY FOUR.
TO ME, WELL, IS THAT SYSTEMIC
DISCRIMINATION OR DISCRIMINATION
AGAINST CONSERVATIVE WOMEN.
WHY IS IT THERE'S NOT THE SAME
ATTENTION PAID?
I DID NOTICE THAT MYSELF IN MY
OWN LEADERSHIP RACE AND I
NOTICED IT WE WILL FOR LESLYN.
>> Hannah: WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU
GIVE FOR MS. LEWIS, EVEN AFTER
TODAY?
>> WELL, I THINK SHE'S DONE WELL
IN THIS WHOLE LEADERSHIP RACE.
I MEAN, SHE'S ELOQUENT AND
INTELLIGENT AND I THINK SHE HAS
SURPRISED EVERYONE WITH THE WAY
SHE RESINATED WITH THE PUBLIC.
MY ADVICE IS NOT GIVE UP.
IF SHE'S NOT SUCCESSFUL TONIGHT,
THERE'S STILL A PLACE FOR HER.
I HOPE TO SEE HER AS AN M.P. IN
THE HOUSE OF COMMONS AND SHE HAS
A LOT TO CONTRIBUTE AND SHE CAN
DIVERSIFY THE PARTY AND I LOVE
THE WAY SHE RESPECTED OTHER
PEOPLE'S VIEWS.
>> Hannah: I DON'T HAVE MUCH
TIME.
FOR THE NEXT LEADER WHAT'S DO
THEY NEED TO DO?
>> UNIFY THE PARTY.
MAKE SURE THE WEST UNDERSTANDS
THAT WE WILL STAND FOR THEM, OIL
AND GAS.
IT'S IN MY BLOOD BECAUSE LAMBTON
BUT, WE NEED TO UNITE THAT WAY
AND MAKE SURE THAT THE SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES KNOW THEY HAVE A
PLACE.
IT'S A BIG TENT PARTY.
LET'S UNIFY THE PARTY AND EXPAND
THE PARTY TO THE YOUTH AND THE
WOMEN AND WIN THE NEXT ELECTION.
>> Hannah: THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME TODAY.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Hannah: BACK TO YOU, ROSIE.
>> Rosemary: THANK YOU, HANNAH.
WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU WHEN WE
GET MORE DETAILS AROUND THE
TIMING OF THING.
LET'S BRING BACK "AT ISSUE" FOR
A QUICK GO AROUND.
CHANTEL IS JUGGLING THIS AND
RADIO-CANADA RDI COVERAGE IN
FRENCH.
WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AROUND
BETWEEN EVERYONE ELSE AND ANDREW
AND ALTHIA DOING THEIR DAY JOBS
AS WELL.
WE'RE MAKING WORK AND KEEP
EVERYBODY AWAKE SO THANK YOU FOR
COMING BACK.
I DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT
ANDREW SCHEER'S SPEECH.
SO LET ME JUST DO ONE ROUND WITH
ALL OF YOU ON WHAT YOU MADE OF
THIS SPEECH.
ANDREW, I'LL START WITH YOU.
>> I WAS SAD.
IT WAS A CRUELLY LIMITED AS THE
MAN, UNINSPIRED, UNORIGINAL AND
IT READ LIKE THE SPEECH AT
CAMPUS CONSERVATIVE PRESIDENT
WOULD GIVE.
TALK AGAINST COMMUNISM, IT WAS
OFF KEY.
HE HAD SEVEN A MONTHS TO PREPARE
THIS AND I THINK YOU SEE WHY HE
WASN'T SUCCESSFUL AS A LEADER.
IT DIDN'T REACH OUT OR STAKE OUT
NEW GROUND AND DIDN'T STRIKE A
HIGH NOTE.
IT WAS JUST A REALLY LIMITED.
>> Rosemary: WHAT DID YOU MAKE
OF HIS MESSAGE THERE, ALTHIA.
I DIDN'T FIND IT UP LIFTING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ARE
SUPPOSED TO LEAVE THE PARTY BUT
IT WASN'T INSPIRING, I GUESS.
>> I DIDN'T HAVE AS MUCH
EXPECTATIONS AS ANDREW OVER HERE
BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE TYPICAL -- I
DID NOT SURPRISE ME AND I FELT
LIKE IT WAS TYPICAL ANDREW
SCHEER.
HE LOOKED MORE UNCOMFORTABLE
THAN I EXPECTED HIM TO.
I THINK HE STUCK WITH THE SAME
TALKING POINTS THAT HE BASICALLY
HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT SINCE THE
LAST ELECTION.
AND HE WANTS TO BE REALLY
REMEMBERED FOR SOMEONE THAT DID
GROW THE PARTY AND I THINK HE IS
TRYING EVERY CHANCE HE GETS TO
REAFFIRM THAT AND REMIND PEOPLE
THAT HE WON THE POPULAR VOTE AND
THE PARTY IS IN BETTER FOOTING
THAN HE GOT IT FROM STEPHEN
HARPER BACK IN 2007, 2017 FROM
RONA AMBROSE.
HE SEEMS LIKE A GUY WHO LOST HIS
FIRE.
>> Rosemary: MAYBE RIGHTFULLY
SO.
CHANTA.
>> Marla: LAST WORD ON THAT.L.
>> I DID NOT KNOW HE WAS KNOWN
FOR FIRE.
I WASN'T SURPRISED.
I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS THE SPEECH
THAT HE SHOULD HAVE DELIVERED.
I WASN'T SURPRISED BECAUSE ONE
OF THE PROBLEMS OF ANDREW
SCHEER'S LEADERSHIP IS BEEN THAT
EVERY OCCASION HE WOULD HAVE HAD
TO LOOK PRIME MINISTERIAL, AND
TO RISE ABOVE THE FACTIONISM
THAT HE HAS DRIVEN THE PARTY
INTO, HE MISSED ALL THOSE
OPPORTUNITIES.
INCLUDING THEY WERE SHOWING
HIGHLIGHTS OF HIS CAREER AS
LEADER, GOING INTO THE DEBATE BY
TELLING THE PRIME MINISTER THAT
HE IS CORRUPTED, ET CETERA, THAT
MAKES YOU SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO
BE THE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL
OPPOSITION AT BEST.
IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU SOMEONE WHO
IS AUDITIONING FOR THE JOB OF
PRIME MINISTER, AND THAT WAS
KIND OF HIM BUT IT SHOWED ANDREW
SCHEER MISSING THE POINT.
HE HAS BROUGHT THE PARTY BACK TO
ITS REFORM PARTY ROOTS.
I'M NOT SAYING IDEOLOGICALLY BUT
I'M SAYING IN THE WAY THE VOTES
HAVE NOW LINED UP BEHIND THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY AND HIS
APPEAL, FOR INSTANCE, TO DON'T
WATCH THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA
ANYMORE, GO TO THIS AND THAT
THAT, IS KIND OF FINDING OUR
TENT IS NOT BIG ENOUGH BUT WHY
DON'T WE SHUT THE DOORS AND MAKE
SURE WE LIVE IN THAT ECHO
CHAMBER WHERE WE WILL STAY IN
OPPOSITION.
>> Rosemary: GOOD POINT.
LET ME GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AND
I'LL GET YOU TO WEIGH IN ON THE
STATE OF AFFAIRS.
DAN NOWLAN HAS JUST SAID NOW,
AFTER THEY WERE AT 97% OF
BALLOTS COUNTED, THEY ARE AT 98
PLUS PERCENT COUNTED.
WHICH ISN'T REALLY PROMISING
GIVEN HOW LONG IT'S TAKEN US TO
GET PAST THAT PERCENTAGE POINT.
THEY'VE SAID THAT THEY'LL HAVE
RESULTS WHEN THEY HAVE RESULTS.
THEY ARE TAKING A PAUSE IN THE
PROGRAMME NOW AND THAT IS WHERE
WE ARE AT.
I MEAN, AT WHAT POINT -- IT'S
OBVIOUSLY AN ISSUE.
WE'RE INTO MANY HOURS OF
COVERAGE HERE.
I CAN GO MANY MORE HOURS BUT
THIS IS BECOME AN ISSUE FOR THE
PARTY AND THEY ARE MISSING
OPPORTUNITIES TO GET ON
NEWSCASTS AND OTHER THINGS,
CHANTAL, WE'LL GO TO YOU FIRST
IN CASE YOU HAVE TO JUMP AWAY.
>> OK, SO, IT'S A MAJOR
INCONVENIENCE TO THE PARTY AND A
BIG LET DOWN FOR THEM AND IT'S
NOT TERRIBLY -- WELL, ACTUALLY,
IT'S TERRIBLY PLEASANT FOR US TO
GET ALL THIS TIME WHEN WE'RE
USUALLY LIMITED.
WE CAN KEEP GOING FOR QUITE A
WHILE.
>> Rosemary: WE SURE CAN.
>> I'M TOTALLY ENJOYING THE NEW
EXPERIENCE OF DOING IT IN FRENCH
AND ENGLISH AND IT'S IF I WAS IN
TWO PLACES.
SERIOUSLY, HAVING SAID ALL THIS,
WHAT REALLY MATTERS IN THE END
IS THE OUTCOME AND THE SHAPE OF
THE OUT AND AND WHEN THEY DO
GIVE US THOSE NUMBERS, WE'LL BE
WRITING THE SAME ANALYSIS THAT
WE WOULD HAVE EARLIER.
MAYBE IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG
FOGGIER, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO
BE MORE TIRED, BUT I'LL BE JUST
AS INTERESTED IN MIDNIGHT AT THE
RESULTS AND TOMORROW AND THE
WEEK GOING FORWARD.
>> Rosemary: THAT'S VERY KIND.
ANDREW, ARE YOU AS GENEROUS
TOWARDS THE EXPERIENCE?
>> WELL, IT DOES LOOK LIKE
AMATEUR HOUR.
PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO TAKE SOME
SHOTS AT THEM FOR IT.
I AGREE IN THE FULLNESS OF TIME,
THIS WILL BE FORGOTTEN AND MUCH
MORE WILL BE ATTACHED WHO GETS
ELECTED AS LEADER  AND THE
BUSINESS OF BUILDING AND AS
QUICK AS TIME AS THEY CAN, FOR
THE NEXT ELECTION WHICH IS NOT
COMING THIS FALL PROBABLY.
IT'S GOING TO BE COMING BEFORE
TOO LONG IS OUT.
WITH VERY BIG ISSUES AND STAKES
ON THE TABLE AND WHEN YOU LOOK
AT THE LIBERALS ARE PREPARING
AND THE CONSERVATIVES PEOPLE
WILL WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE
CONSERVATIVE ANSWER IS OTHER
THAN JUST NO.
>> Rosemary: WHAT ARE YOU MAKING
OF THE ON GOING DELAY?
>> THE PEOPLE WHO WERE MOST
ANNOYED AND EMBARRASSED ARE
CONSERVATIVE M.P.s AND PEOPLE
ATTACHED TO THE CAMPS WHO ARE
REALLY HOPING THE PARTY WOULD BE
ABLE TO PUT ITS BEST FOOT
FORWARD AND THE FACT OF THE
GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN MONOPOLIZING
THE AIRWAVES FOR THE PAST
SEVERAL MONTHS IN THE RESPONSE
TO THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, IT WAS
A CHANCE TO SHOWCASE HOW GREAT
THE PARTY IS AND DRUM UP
EXCITEMENT AND INSTEAD THEY
MISSED THAT OPPORTUNITY.
A LOT OF QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO
BE ASKED, WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU
START COUNTING ON FRIDAY NIGHT
OR WHEN DID YOU KNOW THERE WERE
PROBLEMS AND YOU SHOULD HAVE
WAITED UNTIL MONDAY WHEN
EVERYTHING WAS SORTED OUT.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS TO ANY
OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
I JUST -- WE'LL BE HERE AS LONG
AS YOU WANT US HERE AND AS LONG
AS THEY WANT TO KEEP GOING.
>> Rosemary: THAT'S RIGHT.
UNTIL THEY SAY FORGET IT, WE'LL
TRY AGAIN TOMORROW.
ALTHOUGH NO SIGNS OF THAT YET.
WE WERE TALKING A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT WHETHER THERE WERE LEGAL
CHALLENGES AND ONE CAMP IS
SAYING THERE ARE NO CHALLENGES
AT THIS STAGE SO IT'S REALLY A
QUESTION OF JUST GETTING IT ALL
THROUGH AND DONE AND ESPECIALLY
IF THERE ARE A FEW THOUSAND LEFT
TO COUNT IF WE'RE ONLY AT 98%.
GO AHEAD.
>> YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO FINISH
TONIGHT.
THEY HAVE SCRUTINEERS.
UNLESS YOU WANT TO LIVE IN
RUMOUR CITY AND TRIAL BALLOONS,
ET CETERA, ET CETERA, THEY HAVE
TO FINISH.
>> THAT'S TRUE.
THAT'S TRUE.
>> OK, WELL ON THAT NOTE I'LL
LET YOU GO BRIEFLY AND I'LL COME
BACK WHEN WE HAVE MORE TO SAY
WHEN SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS.
THANK YOU ALL AND GO GET A SNACK
OR A CUP OF COFFEE, APPRECIATE
IT.
THAT IS "AT ISSUE" AND WE'LL BE
BACK WITH THEM IF WE GET TO "THE
NATIONAL."
I JUST WANTED REMIND EVERYBODY A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE VOTING
PROCESS.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT OVER THE
COURSE OF THE PAST NUMBER OF
HOURS.
BUT IT IS A COMPLICATED PROCESS
SO WE THOUGHT WE WOULD REMIND
YOU AGAIN, THIS WORKS NOT JUST
BY VOTES BUT BY SHARE OF VOTES
PER RIDING, IT'S SOMETHING THAT
WAS NEGOTIATED WHEN THE PARTY
WAS CREATED WITH PETER MacKAY
AND STEPHEN HARPER BACK IN 2003.
SO, ANOTHER REMINDER NOW ABOUT
HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS IN TERMS
OF THE BALLOTS AND THE VOTES AND
HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET TO A
WINNER EVENTUALLY, TAKE A LOOK.
>> EVERY RIDING IN THE COUNTRY
IS WORTH 100 POINTS.
THE SHARE OF THE VOTE IN EACH
RIDING DETERMINES THE NUMBER OF
POINTS A CANDIDATE WINS.
100 POINTS PER RIDING, 338
RIDINGS, FOR A TOTAL OF 33,800
POINTS.
TO WIN, A CANDIDATE HAS TO WIN
THE MAJORITY OF POINTS.
OR 16,901.
THAT IS THE NUMBER TO WATCH FOR
TONIGHT.
SO HOW DOES THE VOTING WORK?
PARTY MEMBERS USE A RANKED
BALLOT.
THAT MEANS THEY CAN CHOSE UP TO
FOUR PEOPLE FOR LEADER, RANKING
THEIR PREFERENCES FROM FIRST TO
LAST.
THE BALLOTS HAVE BEEN MAILED IN
AND COUNTING IN ROUNDS.
IF IN THE FIRST ROUND, NO
CANDIDATE GETS A MAJORITY OF
POINTS, THE PERSON WITH THE
FEWEST IS ELIMINATED AND BALLOTS
GET COUNTED AGAIN AND POINTS GET
REASSIGNED AND BASED ON MEMBERS
SECOND CHOICE.
AND THAT PROCESS CONTINUES UNTIL
A WINNER EMERGES WHEN ONE
CANDIDATE HITS THAT MAGIC
NUMBER.
AND WE DO START GETTING RESULTS
ABOUT HOW THIS HAS ALL PLAYED
OUT.
EVEN IF A CANDIDATE HAS SUPPORT,
WITH ONE PROVINCE AND ONE RIDING
IT WON'T TRANSLATE INTO MORE
POINTS.
IT WAS THE WAY THAT SYSTEM WAS
DEGREATED AND IT'S DESIGNED TO
GIVE POWER ACROSS THE COUNTRY SO
THAT WESTERN CANADA DOESN'T HAVE
MORE POWER OR SAY AND THE
PROVINCE PROVINCES AND IT'S
SOMETHING THAT WILL BE REALLY A
DETERMINING FACTOR IN THAT CAN
YOU CHOSE AND RANK WHO YOU WANT,
FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD AND
FOURTH AND THE CHOICES ARE MADE
AT THE SAME TIME SO THE BALLOTS
COUNTED NOW HAVE DIFFERENT
CHOICES AND THOSE RANKED BALLOTS
BECOME A REALLY IMPORTANT PART
OF SEEING HOW THE VOTE BREAKS
DOWN.
BECAUSE OF SOMEONE DROPS OFF,
AFTER THE FIRST ROUND, OBVIOUSLY
YOU SAW THAT SUPPORT GOES
SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO, THOSE ARE ALL THE FACTORS
THAT MAGIC NUMBER, 13,000 AND
FOR A NUMBER OF CANDIDATES
UNDOUBTEDLY AND MANY OF THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY MEMBERS WHO
ARE OBVIOUSLY ALL ANXIOUSLY
AWAITING TO SEE WHO THE NEXT
LEADER WILL BE.
AND, I AM GOING TO BRING IN MY
COLLEAGUES NOW "POWER &
POLITICS" HOST VASSY KAPELOS AND
HANNAH THIBEDEAU TO SEE WHAT
MORE WE KNOW OR CAN'T KNOW.
I'M GOING TO START WITH YOU.
YOU HAVE THE 10:00 YOU KNOW
WHAT'S CAN I PICK UP -- I CANNOT
CONFIRM THAT YET BUT WE'RE
HOPING THAT EVENTUALLY WE WILL
BE ABLE TO CONFIRM THAT.
I HAVE A GUEST WITH ME AND THIS
IS ALOOPA CLARK, A FORMER
CONSERVATIVE M.P. IN QUEBEC AND
HE IS NOW DIDN'T WIN IN 2019 AND
IS THERE ARE 78 RIDINGS IN THOSE
RIDINGS THERE ARE FEWER NUMBER
OF MEMBERS SO FOR EXAMPLE, MAYBE
200 AND A RIDING OPPOSED TO IN
ALBERTA THERE MIGHT BE 1500.
IT MAKES THOSE RIDINGS IMPORTANT
TO GET AND.
>> OF COURSE, IT'S A SYSTEM BY
POINTS AND AS YOU POINTED OUT,
MADAM THIBEDEAU, IT'S PRECIOUS
AND THAT'S WHY IN THE LAST
MONTH, WE HAVE A REAL BREAK
THROUGH FOR ERIN O'TOOLE IN
QUEBEC.
WHEN I DECIDED TO ENDORSE HIM IN
FEBRUARY AS HIS CHAIR IN QUEBEC
IT WAS A 5%.
BUT I KNEW THAT ERIN O'TOOLE HAD
TWO MAJOR QUALITIES THAT WOULD
BRING US IN A REAL BREAK IN
QUEBEC MANY OF IT'S HIS REAL
LEADERSHIP SKILLS AND SECONDLY,
KNOWS HOW TO BE CLOSE TO THE
PEOPLE AND HE IS REALLY
SOMETIMES DURING THE DEBATE IN
FRENCH WE SAW IT.
AND MOST PEOPLE I MET ON THE
GROUND AFTER THE FRENCH DEBATE
WERE REALLY IMPRESSED BY THE
FACT THAT HE IS SPEAKING WELL IN
FRENCH AND SPOKE WELL IN FRENCH
AND WAS KIND OF LATIN A BIT, YOU
KNOW.
BESIDES THAT, THE BREAK THROUGH
CAME IN REALITY IN THE LAST TWO
WEEKS I'VE TOURED THE PROJECT IN
EIGHT STRATEGIC RIDINGS.
YOU HAVE BETWEEN 100 AND 150
MEMBERS P AND SO, I WENT AND SAW
600 ADDRESSES AND 3,000
KILOMETRES AND 10 DAYS NONSTOP
AND I WENT TO SEE ALL THE
MEMBERS WHO WERE NON IDENTIFIED
BY US AND THE CAMPAIGN, WE
DIDN'T KNOW WHO THEY VOTE AND
THEY DIDN'T VOTE IT YET.
SO I WENT TO EACH OF THOSE
MEMBERS' HOUSES AND I WAS VERY
IMPRESSED TO DISCOVER THAT ON
THE GROUND, THE SENTIMENT I SAW
IN THE NUMBERS WAS THERE SO A
LOT OF NON IDENTIFIED MEMBERS
GAVE ME A BALLOT.
THEY SHOWED ME IT WAS MARKED ON
THE BALLOT.
SO I WAS REALLY PLEASED BY THAT
AND MY TOUR GAVE ME THE
OPPORTUNITY.
>> Hannah: IF IT'S ERIN O'TOOLE
OR WHOEVER IT IS LET'S SAY, HOW
IMPORTANT IS IT TO BRING IN
QUEBECORS TO GET THEIR VOTE.
>> WELL, WE WANT ALL PROVINCES
TO BE BEHIND THE NEXT PART OF
CANADA MR. O'TOOLE AND WE SAW
THAT IN THE LAST ELECTION, LAST
OCTOBER, I LOST MY SEAT SO OF
COURSE WE WANTED TO SHOW THAT
ERIN O'TOOLE CAN BE STRONG IN
QUEBEC, WHICH IS THE CASE.
AT THE WORSE SCENARIO, WE THINK
IT'S GOING TO BE BETWEEN 35% AND
40% OF THE POINTS IN QUEBEC.
>> Hannah: THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE
TO WATCH FOR.
>> AT THIRD BALLOT, IT WILL
PROBABLY WIN THE PROVINCE OF
QUEBEC.
IT'S A MAJOR HIGHLIGHT OF THIS
CAMPAIGN AND I'M VERY GLAD AND I
WANT TO TEND TO OLD TEAM IN THE
PROVINCE OF QUEBEC AND TO HAVE
MADE THIS POSSIBLE.
>> Hannah: ONE THING I WANT TO
ASK YOU AS WELL, WE'RE HAVING
ALL THESE DELAYS RIGHT NOW.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE.
YOU ARE SITTING WITH MR. O'TOOLE
AND WAITING FOR THE RESULTS TO
COME IN.
HOW IS HE FEELING?
>> IT'S FUNNY YOU ASK THAT
BECAUSE JUST 20 MINUTES AGO, THE
WHOLE FAMILY SAT ON THE COUCH
AND WE WERE THINKING IT WAS THE
FIRST BALLOT ANNOUNCEMENT.
IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
AND SO, WE JUST SAID WELL, OK,
SO WE HAVE A ZOOM LIVE IN THE
ROOM AND WITH ALL THE VOLUNTEERS
ACROSS THE COUNTRY WATCHING LIFT
PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.
SO, MR. O'TOOLE WENT ON THE
CAMERA WITH ZOOM AND SPOKE A
LITTLE BIT AND ABOUT A SPEECH
AND THE DELAYS AND IT'S A
DISAPPOINTMENT OF COURSE AND
IT'S UNFORTUNATE AND IT'S MORE
STRESS BUT EVERYTHING IS BEING
LOOKED UPON IN A VERY OFFICIAL
WAY AND LOOKING IT SEEMS LIKE
THERE'S 4,000 BALLOTS THAT WERE
DAMAGED BY A MACHINE.
>> IS THERE CONCERNS FROM YOUR
CAMP ABOUT THESE BALLOTS?
>> WE TRUST THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY EXECUTIVE AND OFFICERS AND
THE REASON WHY IT TAKES A LONG
TIME, YOU KNOW, EACH BALLOT IS
CONNECTED TO A SPECIFIC RIDING
SO THEY CANNOT JUST REPRODUCE
BALLOTS EASILY.
THEY HAVE TO PRINT BALLOTS FROM
EACH RIDEING AND THEY HAVE TO
FEED IT THROUGH THE MACHINE.
SO IT'S A LONG PROCESS.
I ASKED CANADIANS TO STAND ALONG
WITH US AND TO WAIT FOR THOSE
IMPORTANT RESULTS AND BECAUSE
TONIGHT WE WILL KNOW WHO IS THE
NEXT PRIME MINISTER OF THIS
COUNTRY AND I'M CONFIDENT
MR. O'TOOLE WILL WIN.
NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE NUMBERS
WE'VE BEEN SEEING ALONG THIS
CAMPAIGN IN THE LAST WEEKS BUT
ALSO BECAUSE OF WHAT WE SEE ON
THE GROUND, WHICH IS REALLY
POSITIVE.
>> Hannah: ALUPA CLARKE THANK
YOU FOR TIME.
THE CHAIR IN QUEBEC FOR ERIN
O'TOOLE AND I'M GOING TO THROW
IT BACK TO YOU AND LET ME JUST
CHECK MY PHONE, STILL NO
DETAILS.
>> THANK YOU, HANNAH, I
APPRECIATE IT.
I APPRECIATE THAT AND THAT GAVE
ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A
LITTLE SNACK.
THAT WORKED OUT FINE FOR ME.
>> Hannah: GOOD, I'M GLAD.
 [LAUGHTER]
SOME PEOPLE ON TWITTER ASKING IF
I HAVE TIME TO GO TO THE CORNER
STORE.
YOU HAVE TIME.
I WOULD GO NOW THOUGH.
THAT'S MY BEST ADVICE.
LET ME GO BACK TO CATHERINE
CULLEN NOW.
TO SEE IF YOU ARE HEARING
ANYTHING NEW.
>> 10:00 ROSEMARY, FOUR MINUTES
AWAY AND THE STAMPS ARE SAYING
IT'S NOT HAPPENING.
I WOULD SAY IT SEEMS LIKE A
REASONABLE SUSPICION.
I WOULD POINT OUT A COUPLE OF
THINGS, ONE, SOME PEOPLE ON
TWITTER ARE FEELING SORRY FOR US
THAT WE'VE HAD TO TAP DANCE ALL
THIS TIME.
SOME OF THE SCRUTINEER HAVE BEEN
IN THAT ROOM SINCE 7:30 THIS
MORNING.
CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT.
THEY'VE BEEN STUCK IN THIS SAME
ROOM WITH THESE BALLOTS GOING
THROUGH THIS STRESS OF
EVERYTHING GOING ON WITH THESE
ENVELOPES FOR 14 PLUS HOURS NOW
SO THAT IS UNPLEASANT AND HOW
MUCH MORE SAD WILL THEY BE WHEN
THEY LEAVE THE ROOM AND THEY
NONE OTHER THAN ELIZABETH MAY
GROWN PARTY LEADER IS THROWING
SHADE AT THE CONSERVATIVES ON
TWITTER AND SHE TWEETED GREEN
LEADERSHIP RESULTS DUE
OCTOBER 3rd.
WILL WE KNOW WHO IS LEADING THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA BY
THEN.
THAT'S NO FUN FOR THE
CONSERVATIVES.
BUT, RESULTS LIKE, I FEEL LIKE
IT'S LOOKING REPETITIVE AND
THEY'RE SKEPTICAL ABOUT WHAT
WILL HAPPEN AND WE WAIT AND WAIT
AND WE HAVE THAT UPDATE FROM DAN
NOWLAN AND THEY'RE DOWN TO A
THOUSAND BALLOTS NO THERE WILL
.IT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME IF YOU
ARE POLITICAL JUNKIES LIKE THE
REST OF US, TO REFUEL.
 [LAUGHTER]
AND GET YOURSELVES SORTED FOR
ANOTHER COUPLE OF HOURS
POTENTIALLY.
AND I WILL SAY, WE APPRECIATE
EVERYONE'S GOOD THOUGHTS BUT
THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE LIVE
FOR.
WE'RE DOING JUST FINE.
WE CAN ADAPT PRETTY EASILY,
THANK YOU, CATHERINE, I'LL BRING
IN VASSY NOW.
IT DOES SEEMS SLOW GOING THOUGH
IF THEY WENT FROM 97% OF BALLOTS
APPROVED TO 98% AND JUST OVER
98% IN MANY HOURS.
IT DOES SEEM TO BE A HEAVY
PROCESS AND A DIFFICULT PROCESS
THEY'RE GOING THROUGH HERE AND I
DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO
SPEED UP NOW OR WHAT YOU ARE
HEARING ABOUT THAT.
>> Vassy: IT SEEMS PARTICULARLY
SLOW.
I WAS LOOKING BACK THROUGH SOME
OF MY COMMUNICATION AROUND WHAT
WAS ACTUALLY HAPPENING THROUGH
OUT THE DAY AND THE
IDENTIFICATION OF THE FACT THAT
THERE WERE THESE BALLOTS THAT
ENDED UP BEING RIPPED BECAUSE OF
THE ENVELOPE MACHINE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS AT 1:00 THEY
PUT THEM BACK TOGETHER AND THEN
BASICALLY BY 6:00, WE HAD
LEARNED THAT THERE WERE
THOUSANDS THAT AT THIS POINT
THEY HAD PUT BACK TOGETHER BUT
THAT HAD TO BE RECOUNTED AND BY
BEING RECOUNTED, THEY HAD TO BE
SORT OF REMADE, I GUESS, IS THE
BEST WAY TO PUT IT.
IF THEY'VE ONLY GOTTEN AT THE
TOP END OF THIS 4,000 AND
THERE'S STILL 1,000 LEFT IT'S
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN A FEW
MINUTES, RIGHT.
SO THAT IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT
AND THIS IS A SUBSTANTIAL ISSUE
FOR THE PARTY AND THE RESULTS.
THE FACT THAT WE WERE THINKING
MAYBE 10:00 AND IT'S NOW 10:00
SO IT'S CERTAINLY WON'T BE
10:00.
THERE'S NO OTHER END INDICATION
INDICATION FROMTHE PARTY AT THIG
MORE --
 BUT IT'S STILL A LOT OF THEM.
AND NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF
VOLUNTEERS I'M TOLD AS WELL THAT
WERE TASKED WITH THAT BECAUSE
THEY DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THE SIZE
OF THIS ISSUE OR THAT THE ISSUE
WOULD BE THERE TO THE DEGREE
THAT IT IS.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE 30 PEOPLE THERE
RECOUNTING THE BALLOTS AND AS A
RESULT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE.
>> Rosemary: RIGHT.
AND I SHOULD REMIND PEOPLE THAT,
YOU KNOW, I HAVE CONSERVATIVES
SAYING TO ME THIS IS JUST THE
MACHINES AND IT'S NOT OUR FAULT.
PART OF THE PROBLEM FOR THIS
LEADER IS A WIDER INTRODUCTION
TO THE REST OF THE CANADIAN
PUBLIC AND A BIG PORTION OF THAT
IS THE MOMENTUM THAT BUILDS AND
THINK OF SO MANY OTHER CAMPAIGNS
BOTH
LEADER.
FOR ALL OF THEM, AND FROM MY
CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE IN THE
CAMPAIGN THERE'S A HIDENNED
AWARENESS AND THIS IS THE START
OF WHAT WILL BE THEIR TIME AS
LEADER.
AND THEY WERE SLOWLY SEEING IT,
SORRY, TRICKLE AWAY.
>> Rosemary: IT'S BEEN A FEW
HOURS SO YOU'RE --
>> TRYING TO PUT A SENTENCE
TOGETHER.
>> Rosemary: YOU'RE ALLOWED TO
DO THAT.
VASSY, CATHERINE AND HANNAH,
THANK YOU ALL AND WE'LL COME
BACK TO YOU AS WE WAIT FOR ANY
KIND OF UPDATE ON WHEN WE WILL
GET FIRST ROUND BALLOT RESULTS
AND WE HEARD 10:00 AND IT'S COME
AND GONE AND 10:00 EASTERN, OF
COURSE, AND YOU'RE PROBABLY
STANDING BY FOR "THE NATIONAL"
AND THE "THE NATIONAL" WILL COME
ON AS SOON AS WE HAVE SOME
RESULTS IN YOUR AREA.
AND WE WILL GET AN UPDATE ON THE
TIMELINE TOO AND WE SIMPLY
AREN'T TOLD WHEN THOSE FIRST
BALLOT RESULTS WILL OCCUR.
KORY TENEYCKE IS STANDING BY IN
TORONTO WITH WHATEVER HE'S
HEARING NOW AND, YOU KNOW, I AM
GETTING SOME FLACK FROM
CONSERVATIVE FRIENDS ABOUT HOW,
YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T BE
TALKING ABOUT THE MACHINES AND
I, OBVIOUSLY, THIS ISN'T
ANYONE'S FAULT THAT WE KNOW
OF --
>> WELL, IT'S SOMEBODY'S FAULT.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.
>> Rosemary: WELL, IT'S NOT
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY'S WISH
FOR THIS TO HAPPEN, THAT IS FAIR
TO SAY.
>> NO, NO, I THINK THAT IT'S
FAIR, IT'S NOT THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY'S WISH.
BUT I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I
DO THINK THAT IT IS A PROBLEM.
I DO THINK THAT IT'S A PROBLEM
BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE BRAND
OF CONSERVATIVES IS REALLY
MANAGERIAL COMPETENT -- PROBABLY
ONE OF THE ONLY PARTS OF ANDREW
SCHEER'S SPEECH THAT I THOUGHT
WAS ON THE MARK WAS TALKING
ABOUT LIBERALISM BEING HANDY
BEFORE DINNER.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE CONSERVATIVE
CONSERVATIVISM IS OFTEN VIEWED
AS TOUGH LOVE BY VOTERS BUT WE
GET THINGS DONE AND WE MAKE SURE
THAT THE BALANCE IS BUDGETED AND
MAKE SURE THAT THE ECONOMY IS
WELL LOOKED AFTER AND WELL
MANAGED AND OUR VIEW, OFTEN
POLITICALLY, IS WE'RE THE
RESPONSIBLE ADULTS OF POLITICS.
SO THIS DOES BRAND DAMAGE TO US
IN A WAY THAT IT DOESN'T FOR THE
LIBERAL PARTIES WHEN THEY MESS
THINGS UP LIKE THIS.
>> Rosemary: YOU REALLY THINK
THAT?
DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT?
>> WELL, I'LL EXPLAIN WHY.
NOT BECAUSE OF THE POLITICOS
WATCHING.
POLITICS, MUCH LIKE SPORTS, IT
REALLY IS ABOUT 20% OF THE
TELEVISION AUDIENCE THAT TUNES
IN TO POLITICS OR INTO THE
POLITICAL MEDIA IN AN ONGOING
WAY.
AND PARTY LEADERSHIPS ARE
LARGELY ABOUT JUST THOSE PEOPLE.
BUT ON THINGS LIKE THE NEXT
LEADER OR THE DAY AFTER, WHEN
PEOPLE ARE READING IN THE MEDIA
ABOUT THE LEADER THAT WAS
ELECTED, THAT REACHES A MUCH
BROADER AUDIENCE.
AND REALLY THE CULMINATION OF
THE ENTIRE RACE IS REALLY ABOUT
A COUPLE OF MEDIA CYCLES YOU GET
AROUND NOW WHERE YOU PUNCH
THROUGH TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
GOING TO VOTE BUT WHO DON'T
FOLLOW POLITICS CLOSELY.
AND THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO ENGAGE
THOSE --
>> Rosemary: TO PUSH BACK,
KORY, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT
BEING A STORY WITH DOUG FORD
WHEN THERE WAS A LONG DELAY.
I DON'T REMEMBER THAT BEING THE
STORY WHEN TOM MULCAIR WON.
I MEAN, IT'S A STORY RIGHT NOW
BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENING AND
NOTHING ELSE IS HAPPENING,
RIGHT?
>> LOOK, IT'S NOT GOING TO YOU
KNOW, SKEWER THE PARTY IN THE
NEXT ELECTION BUT IT'S AN
EMBARRASSING LOST OPPORTUNITY TO
GET A CLEAR CLEAN MESSAGE OUT
AND TO PROFILE WHOEVER OUR NEW
LEADER IS GOING TO BE.
AND WE DON'T KNOW YET.
AND FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WILL
HANG ON TO 1:00 IN THE MORNING
OR HOWEVER LONG THIS TAKES ARE
NOT GOING TO BE THE CASUAL
OBSERVERS OF POLITICS AND
THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY COST OF
LOSING THOSE EYEBALLS AND THAT'S
WHAT IS CAUSES ME SOME
CONSTERNATION THAT THOSE PEOPLE
KIND OF TUNED IN TO GET AN
ANSWER AND, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT
TO SNICKER UP THEIR SLEEVE A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR INABILITY
TO GET IT DONE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL HAVE
TO BE SOME SORT OF RECKONING
AFTER THIS IN TERMS OF, YOU
KNOW, WHAT WENT WRONG BECAUSE,
LOOK, WE HAD VERY SIMILAR
PROBLEMS IN THE PROVINCIAL
LEADERSHIP HERE IN ONTARIO WITH
OUR VOTE UNDER A VERY SIMILAR
SYSTEM AND AT SOME POINT WE HAVE
TO NAIL THIS STUFF DOWN AND FIND
A WAY OF GETTING THESE THINGS
DONE THAT IS DEMONSTRATING A
LITTLE MORE COMPETENCE.
THIS IS NOT ROCKET SURGERY, THIS
IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN
BE DONE.
LET'S -- SO LET'S FIGURE IT OUT.
>> Rosemary: MAYBE OPEN UP THE
ENVELOPES BY HAND, I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW THAT IT'S A LOT OF
ENVELOPES BUT MAYBE.
>> IT CAN BE DONE.
I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S -- LOOK, I
AGREE THAT IT'S NOT SOMEONE'S
FAULT AND THAT SOMEONE HAS, YOU
KNOW, ENGINEERED THIS TO GO
SIDEWAYS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS EGG ON
OUR FACE RIGHT NOW.
IT'S NOT -- YEP.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, WE WILL
LEAVE IT THERE AND I'LL COME
BACK TO YOU WHEN WE KNOW MORE.
YOU CAN COME BACK TO US IF YOU
KNOW MORE.
THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT.
>> GREAT.
>> Rosemary: THAT IS KORY
TENEYCKE, OF COURSE, IN TORONTO.
AS WE ALL TRY AND TO SORT OUT
WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW WITH THIS
LEADERSHIP RACE.
SO WE'RE NOW -- SO WE'RE NOW
FOUR HOURS PAST WHEN THE
OFFICIAL PROGRAMME WAS SET TO
BEGIN AND IT WAS AROUND FOUR
HOURS AGO THAT THE PARTY
REALISED THAT THEY HAD THIS
ISSUE WITH THE ENVELOPE SLICING
MACHINE THAT WOULD OPEN UP THE
ENVELOPES TO REVEAL THE BALLOTS
AND TO HAVE THE BALLOTS PUT IN
THE TABULATION MACHINE THAT
WOULD DO THE COUNT AND LOOK AT
THE RANKED BALLOT.
SOME OF THOSE BALLOTS WERE
DAMAGED, AS WE HAVE BEEN
REPORTS, SO THAT HAS DELAYED
THINGS CONSIDERABLY.
AND IT'S VERY, VERY SLOW GOING
IN TERMS OF MAKING UP THE
DIFFERENCE OF THE BALLOTS THAT
WERE LEFT.
SO WE HEARD THAT IT WAS BETWEEN
3,000 4,000, AND NOW HEARING
THAT IT'S A THOUSAND OR UNDER
THAT THEY HAVE LEFT TO DO.
BUT THIS DOES SEEM VERY SLOW
GOING AND PERHAPS SOMETHING THAT
SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH
BEFORE AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
THERE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE FOR
YOU, IF YOU'RE TUNING IN HERE ON
CBC NEWS NETWORK AND CBC
TELEVISION.
SAFE TO SAY THAT WE ARE A LITTLE
WAYS AWAY YET FROM THE WINNER OR
FROM ANY RESULTS BEING
ANNOUNCED.
BUT AT THIS POINT YOU HAVE HUNG
IN FOR SO LONG THAT IT WOULD BE
FOOLISH TO TURN AWAY NOW BECAUSE
THEN YOU WON'T KNOW WHAT THE
OUTCOME IS.
AND YOU HAVE HUNG IN THIS LONG
OR JUST TUNED IN NOW AND YOU'RE
DOING FINE.
LET ME GO TO CATHERINE TO BRING
IN A LITTLE BIT MORE ON WHAT
WE'RE EXPECTING.
IT'S TRUE, THE RAPTORS HAVE
ALREADY WON, I MEAN, WHAT ELSE
ARE YOU GOING TO DO ON A SUNDAY
NIGHT, YOU'RE STUCK AT HOME AND
THERE'S VERY FEW PLACES TO GO
DURING A PANDEMIC.
>> Catherine: WE GET TO THE
KNOCK, KNOCK PORTION OF THE
EVENING SOON, RIGHT?
>> Rosemary: WE'RE GETTING A
LITTLE PUNCH DRUNK.
>> Catherine: OH, THEY THINK
THAT THEY'LL START AT 10:30.
>> Rosemary: OKAY.
THAT'S NOT AS OFFICIAL AS I
WOULD HAVE LIKED, CATHERINE.
>> Catherine: THEY THINK THAT
THEY'LL START AT 10:30 AND GIVE
US A 15 MINUTES HEAD UP SO
THAT'S FROM A PARTIES
COMMUNICATIONS PERSON.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY KNOCK,
KNOCK JOKES FROM HERE TO THERE.
>> Rosemary: I CAN DO 20
MINUTES, NOT OF KNOCK, KNOCK
JOKES BUT OF ACTUAL CONTENT.
OKAY, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
HEARING THEN, I GUESS 10:30 FOR
THE FIRST ROUND OF RESULTS ASPIT
ASPIRATIONALLY AND IT COULD
HAPPEN VERY QUICKLY IF THEY WANT
IT TO.
AND IF THEY REALIZE THAT THERE
IS SOME TIME PRESSURES ON NEWS
ORGINISATIONS OR OTHER
PRESSURES.
SO WE'LL SEE WHETHER THEY MAKE
THAT HAPPEN QUICKLY OR NOT.
AS WE WAIT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN,
LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION, WHICH
I HAVEN'T ASKED YET TONIGHT, AND
I THINK THAT IT'S AN IMPORTANT
ONE, AND, VASSY, I'LL START WITH
YOU ON IT.
IT DOES SEEM AS YOU SORT OF GO
THROUGH THE DIFFERENT
CANDIDATES' POSITIONS,
PARTICULARLY WITH PETER MacKAY
AND ERIN O'TOOLE, SORT OF THE
TWO TOP CONTENDERS WE BELIEVE IN
THIS RACE, THAT THERE ARE NOT
VAST POLICY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN
THE TWO.
AND THERE SEEMS -- AND I THINK
THAT CATERINE ALLUDED TO THIS
THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE A
DIFFERENT TONAL APPROACH, BUT
NOT HUGE DISTINCTIONS IN WHAT
EITHER OF THOSE TOP RUNNERS, THE
FRONT-RUNNERS, THOSE TWO MEN,
MIGHT REPRESENT FOR THE PARTY.
AND I WONDER HOW DIFFICULT THAT
WILL BE OR WHETHER THAT'S
ACTUALLY A GOOD THING BECAUSE
YOU'RE SORT OF GETTING A BIT OF
WHAT YOU WANT, EVEN IF YOU
DIDN'T VOTE FOR ONE OF THEM?
>> Vassy: THAT'S A GOOD
QUESTION AND A GOOD POINT.
PROBABLY ON THE SUBJECT OF
ACTUAL POLICY DIFFERENCES,
YOU'RE TOTALLY RIGHT.
AS WE WERE LOOKING THROUGH THEM
OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS, AS I
WAS, TO KIND OF REFRESH MY
MEMORY, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL,
THEY'RE GOING TO BOTH BE HARD ON
CHINA.
THEY BOTH WANT A BETTER REVIEW
OF THE TAX ENVIRONMENT FOR
BUSINESS.
THEY HAVE VARIOUS APPROACHES TO
THE PANDEMIC RECOVERY THAT ARE
FAIRLY SIMILAR AS WELL, NOT SO
MUCH DETAILED AT THIS POINT, BUT
ESSENTIALLY THE SAME APPROACHES.
I THINK THAT WHERE THEY DO SPLIT
OR WHERE THEY WERE DIFFERENT IS
IN THE WAY IN WHICH THEY
CHARACTERIZED THEIR MESSAGES, OR
THE WAY IN WHICH THOSE MESSAGES
WERE COMMUNICATED.
SO BY AND LARGE, I MEAN, ERIN
O'TOOLE TRIED TO BE TRUE BLUE,
THAT'S HIS THING, TO BRING THE
FIGHT AGAINST JUSTIN TRUDEAU,
LIKE TRYING TO CONVEY THAT HE
WAS MORE OF YOUR TRADITIONAL
CONSERVATIVE, HARKENING BACK TO,
FOR EXAMPLE, FORMER PRIME
MINISTER STEPHEN HARPER.
SOMETIMES PETER MacKAY, BUT
ALSO OTHERS IN OTHER CAMPAIGNS,
WOULD CHARACTERIZE HIM AS THE
MORE PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATE.
I'M NOT SURE, I MEAN, THERE ARE
CERTAIN IDEAS THAT BOTH OF THEM
SHARE THAT COULD BE
QUOTE/UNQUOTE TERM PROGRESSIVE
IN THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO
MARCH IN A PRIDE PARADE, FOR
EXAMPLE.
OR THAT THEY WEREN'T INHERENTLY
AGAINST -- OR DIDN'T -- WEREN'T
AGAINST THINGS THAT WERE HELPFUL
FOR TRANSGENDER PEOPLE.
BUT EVEN THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE
WERE MINOR CONTROVERSIES
THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN.
SO THEY WEREN'T BASICALLY
AVOIDING THE QUESTION THE WAY
THAT ANDREW SCHEER WAS, I'LL PUT
IT THAT WAY.
BUT, AGAIN, IT SEEMED TO BE
OKAY, ONE WAS A BIT MORE
COMBATIVE THAN THE OTHER.
AND THE QUESTION IS HOW DOES
THAT TRANSLATE DEPENDING WHO
WINS AND IF IT'S ONE OF THOSE
TWO WHO DOESN'T END UP WINNING,
BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW, WE DON'T
HAVE THE FIRST BALLOT RESULTS
RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THAT IT PROBABLY BECOMES
EASIER IF IT'S EITHER ERIN
O'TOOLE OR PETER MacKAY FOR
THE PARTY MEMBERS TO LINE UP
BEHIND EITHER ONE OF THEM.
EVEN BEHIND THE SCENES IT
WASN'T -- I MEAN, IT WAS SNIPPY
IS THE WORD THAT HANNAH WOULD
USE BUT IT WASN'T VICIOUS.
I HAVE COVERED WORSE CAMPAIGNS
WHERE BEHIND THE SCENES THEY
WERE TRULY TRYING TO DESTROY THE
OTHER PERSON.
I WOULD SAY THAT THE LAST
LEADERSHIP RACE FOR THE
CONSERVATIVES WAS MORE DIVISIVE.
THERE WERE A DIFFERENT OF
OPINIONS -- DIFFERENCE OF
OPINIONS BETWEEN THOSE
CANDIDATES BECAUSE THERE WERE SO
MANY OF THEM.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAD BEEN HARD
TO UNIFY AFTER THE RESULTS IF
IT'S EITHER PETER MacKAY OR
ERIN O'TOOLE.
AND I'M NOT SURE HOW FAMILIAR
MOST CONSERVATIVES ARE, AND THE
MAJORITY OF CONSERVATIVES ARE
WITH EVERYTHING LESLYN LEWIS HAS
SAID OR DEREK SLOAN, WHICH WE
CAN ALL AGREE THAT HAS A FAR
LEFT CHANCE OR A LOWER CHANCE OF
WINNING THAN LESLYN LEWIS OR THE
OTHER TWO.
BUT THAT MIGHT BE A BIGGER HILL
TO CLIMB KIND OF THING.
BUT I DO THINK THAT JUST
GIVEN -- I MEAN, UNLESS SOMEBODY
COMES OUT WITH A WILDLY
DIFFERENT SET OF POLICIES THAN
THEY PUT FORTH DURING THIS
CAMPAIGN, I DON'T THINK THAT THE
BRIDGE IS TOO BIG A DIVIDE TO
CONQUER.
>> Rosemary: SURE.
AND I WILL SAY ABOUT DEREK SLOAN
WHO WON IN THE LAST ELECTION,
SOMETIMES CANDIDATES DO THESE
KINDS OF THINGS IN ORDER TO GET
RECOGNITION OR TO HAVE ISSUES
THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THEM,
BECAUSE THEY MAY BECOME LEADER.
THAT'S A POSITIONING OF A
CANDIDATE DURING A LEADERSHIP
RACE.
IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT IS
PROBABLY WHAT HE IS HOPING FOR
HERE.
HE CALLS HIMSELF A CONSERVATIVE
WITHOUT APOLOGY.
AND HE IS ACTUALLY COME UNDER A
FAIR AMOUNT OF CRITICISM FROM
HIS OWN CAUCUS FOR SOME OF THE
POSITIONS THAT HE'S TRIED TO
TAKE.
HE QUESTIONED THE CHIEF PUBLIC
HEALTH OFFICER, HE HAS DONE
OTHER THINGS AROUND SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVE ISSUES THAT PEOPLE
DON'T AGREE WITH.
I'M JUST LOOKING THROUGH SOME OF
HIS OTHER POLICY PLANKS.
EITHER WAY, THERE'S NO CURRENT
MEMBERS OF THE CAUCUS WHO
SUPPORT HIS NOMINATION.
SO, I MEAN, IF HE GETS ANY KIND
OF SUPPORT, IN SOME WAYS THAT
COULD FOR HIM BE A VALIDATION
THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE
PARTY WHO SEE THEMSELVES IN HIS
POSITION AND, YOU KNOW, HE COULD
TAKE THAT BACK TO CAUCUS AND
SAY, SEE, I DO REPRESENT A
PORTION OF THIS PARTY.
SO THAT -- THAT MIGHT BE THE
SIDE BENEFIT FOR DEREK SLOAN.
I THINK THAT LESLYN LEWIS, AS
SOMEONE WHO RAN BEFORE IN 2015,
SHE HAD TO SORT OF JUMP IN TO
REPLACE A CANDIDATE, AND DIDN'T
WIN, BUT THIS IS -- THIS IS A
DIFFERENT BALL OF WAX FOR HER.
I'M NOT SURE THAT SHE EVEN
EXPECTED THE KIND OF ATTENTION
AND SUPPORT THAT SHE HAS
RECEIVED.
SO, SURELY, THAT WILL MAKE HER
SORT OF RECONSIDER MAYBE HER
FUTURE IN POLITICS.
AND IT WILL CERTAINLY ELEVATE
HER TO A DIFFERENT PLACE IN THE
PARTY, IF WE DO SEE STRONG
RESULTS FOR HER THE WAY THAT WE
HAVE SEEN IN TERMS OF THE
FUNDRAISING AND OTHER KINDS OF
SUPPORTS.
>> Vassy: I WOULD GO OUT ON A
LIMB AND SAY EVEN IF THE RESULTS
ARE NOT SUPER STELLAR FOR HER
TONIGHT, SHE'S MADE A POINT
ALMOST WITHIN THE PARTY AND
WITHIN THE MEMBERSHIP ITSELF.
MAYBE NOT BROADLY THROUGHOUT THE
PUBLIC TO THE REST OF THE PARTY,
BUT I THINK THAT THE FUNDRAISING
NUMBERS, I'M GETTING MESSAGES
FROM SO MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE A
LOT OF RESPECT FOR NOT ONLY THE
CAMPAIGN THAT SHE RAN BUT HER
TEAM AS WELL.
AND THEY REALLY ARE SORT OF THE
STORY OF THE CAMPAIGN, RIGHT?
EVERYBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT ERIN
O'TOOLE AND PETER MacKAY RIGHT
FROM THE START.
THEY WEREN'T NECESSARILY TALKING
ABOUT LESLYN LEWIS AND THE
POTENTIAL THAT SHE HAD.
BUT ESPECIALLY THE BIG CHANGE
SEEMED TO BE THROUGHOUT THE
DEBATES, MOST ESPECIALLY THE
ENGLISH DEBATE WHERE SHE WAS
KIND OF -- BY VIRTUE OF THE
FORMAT -- PUT ON AN EVEN FOOTING
WITH THE OTHER CANDIDATES AND
GIVEN EQUAL EXPOSURE.
SHE HAD KEY MOMENTS IN THOSE
DEBATES.
I REMEMBER ONE SPECIFICALLY
AROUND EXPLAINING AND TALKING
ABOUT SYSTEMIC RACISM AND HOW
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY SHOULD
ATTEMPT TO TACKLE THAT OR WHAT
SHE MIGHT DO IF SHE WERE LEADER.
I KNOW FROM THE DISCUSSIONS WITH
PEOPLE ON HER CAMPAIGN, THAT'S
WHEN THEY REALLY SAW AN INCREASE
IN FUNDRAISING FOR HER.
SO I THINK THAT SHE'S ALMOST --
DEPENDING WHATEVER SHE DECIDES
TO DO AND I DON'T WANT TO
PROCLUDE HER, SHE COULD WIN, WHO
KNOWS, THAT MIGHT ALREADY BE
DECIDED FOR HER.
BUT IF SHE DECIDED TO RUN FOR
THE PARTY SHE'D BE WELCOME WITH
OPEN ARMS.
FROM ALL OF MY CONVERSATIONS
WITH PEOPLE ON THE INSIDE OF THE
PARTY, EVEN AMONG PEOPLE RUNNING
OTHER CAMPAIGNS, HER FUTURE IS
NOTHING BUT BRIGHT WITHIN THOSE
CIRCLES.
SO IT WILL CERTAINLY -- I AGREE
WITH THE CONTRAST, YOU KNOW,
VERY DIFFERENT TAKE ON DEREK
SLOAN.
CERTAINLY NOT ANY LEVEL OF
SUPPORT AMONG CAUCUS.
THE THINGS THAT HE SAID, YOU
KNOW, YES, WERE TO GET ATTENTION
BUT AS WE HAVE LEARNED FROM
MAXIME BERNIER CAN DO A LOT MORE
THAN THAT.
>> Rosemary: YEP, THAT'S
RIGHT.
AND FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW
LESLYN LEWIS, SHE IS A LAWYER.
SHE'S HAS A MASTERS IN
ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES AND A PH.D
IN INTERNATIONAL LAW.
SHE'S FROM JAMAICA.
HER FAMILY IMMIGRATED FROM
JAMAICA.
AND SHE'S THE FIRST BLACK WOMAN
TO RUN FOR THE LEADERSHIP OF
THIS PARTY.
SO, I MEAN, SHE HAS AN
IMPRESSIVE CURRICULUM, AND FOR
ALL OF THOSE REASONS AND
PARTICULARLY AROUND THE WAY THAT
SHE HELPED THE PARTY TO RAISE SO
MUCH MONEY, SHE WILL BE -- SHE
WILL BE SOMEONE THAT THE PARTY
WILL SEEK -- SEEK OUT AND HOPE
TO KEEP.
AND TO MAKE PART OF THEIR BENCH
AS WELL AND THEIR BENCH
STRENGTH.
SO, OF COURSE, IF SHE WINS ALL
OF THESE THINGS AS VASSY SAID
HAVE BEEN DECIDED FOR HER.
BUT IF SHE DOES NOT, THERE WILL
BE A LOT OF PEOPLE CLAMOURING
AROUND HER TO SEE HOW THEY COULD
CONVINCE HER TO TAKE ON A
DIFFERENT CAREER PATH, AS SHE
HAS DONE SO MANY TIMES.
I'LL BRING IN CATHERINE HERE
BECAUSE PART OF THIS IS THAT ALL
OF THESE PEOPLE HAD TO PUT
CAREERS ON HOLD TO DO THIS.
EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T THE
CAMPAIGN THEY EXPECTED AND IT
WASN'T TRAVELLING TO BARBECUES
AND -- THERE WAS SOME TRAVEL.
EVERYONE DID A LITTLE BIT OF
TRAVEL BUT IT WAS LIMITED BY THE
PANDEMIC AND BY THE ISSUES
AROUND TRAVEL SO A LOT WAS DONE
VIRTUALLY AND WEARING MASKS AND
THINGS THAT NONE OF THEM COULD
HAVE EXPECTED.
AND SO FOR THAT ALONE, I MEAN,
THEY ARE TO BE COMMENDED FOR
DOING SOMETHING THAT WAS PRETTY
CRAZY WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT,
AT A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TIME
FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND FOR THE
COUNTRY AND THE REST OF IT.
>> Catherine: BROADLY IN THE
DEMOCRATIC PROCESS, EVERY TIME
WE HAVE A LEADERSHIP RACE WE
HAVE TO APPLAUD THE PEOPLE THAT
GET INVOLVED, AND THE PEOPLE
MORE INTIMATELY INVOLVED.
I REMEMBER SPEAKING TO A
CAMPAIGN MANAGER WHO HAD
INITIALLY WANTED TO STAY OUT OF
THIS RACE AND HE DECIDED TO JUMP
IN AND IT TURNS OUT THAT IS
QUITE A GOOD DECISION FOR HIM,
JUST FURTHERING WHAT VASSY WAS
SAYING BEFORE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT NOW
PUBLICLY PETER MacKAY AND ERIN
O'TOOLE HAVE SAID THEY'D LIKE
LESLYN LEWIS TO BE A PART OF THE
PARTY GOING FORWARD.
SO PERHAPS RUNNING IN A FUTURE
ELECTION OR PERHAPS THERE'S SOME
OTHER ROLE FOR HER.
AND I'M TOLD BEHIND THE SCENES
THE SAME SORT OF CONVERSATIONS
ARE HAPPENING.
OBVIOUSLY, NOTHING HAPPENS IN A
VERY SPECIFIC WAY AT THIS POINT
BECAUSE, DR. LEWIS, MISS LEWIS,
STILL HOPES TO WIN THE
LEADERSHIP RACE.
BUT THERE ARE I THINK SORT OF
QUIET ASIDES BEING MADE TO BOTH
HER AND THE MEMBERS OF HER TEAM
SAYING WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU
AS A PART OF THIS PARTY AS WE GO
FORWARD.
SO IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING TO
KEEP AN EYE ON.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, FOR SURE.
SO THOSE ARE SORT OF WHERE
THINGS ARE AT.
AND IT SOUNDS THAT MORE PEOPLE
ARE HEARING IT NOW TOO, IT'S
10:30, CATHERINE.
>> Catherine: GO AHEAD.
>> Rosemary: NO, YOU GO AHEAD.
OFF YOU GO.
>> Catherine: I WAS GOING TO
JUST SAY VIS-A-VIS LESLYN LEWIS
TOO, ON TOP OF THE FACT THAT
SHE'S A PROSPECT, FOR A FEW
WEEKS WE HAVE BEEN HITTING IT'S
A BIT OF A LONGSHOT BUT THE
POSSIBILITY, OR IT DID SEEM SO A
FEW WEEKS AGO, I THINK THAT EVEN
NOW, THAT SHE MIGHT SURPRISE
EVERYONE AND LEAPFROG ONE OF THE
TWO MORE WELL-KNOWN CANDIDATES
AND FIND HERSELF IN SECOND
PLACE.
EVEN IF SHE DOESN'T, IT'S JUST A
QUESTION OF WHAT EXTENT SHE
COULD BE A SPOILER.
TO A CONSERVATIVE I HAVE NOT
HEARD ANYBODY SAY A NEGATIVE
WORD ABOUT HER.
RATHER, IT HAS BEEN HOW MUCH
THEY LIKE HAVING HER IN THE
PARTY.
THEY THINK THAT SHE ALSO MAYBE
FRUSTRATES THE BOX THAT THE
LIBERALS TRY TO PUT THEM IN
SOMETIMES AND SUGGESTAING THAT
THERE'S OUT OF TOUCH OLDER WHITE
GUYS.
PEOPLE LIKE THE WAY THAT SHE
PARTICIPATES IN THE DIALOGUE AND
WHERE SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES
BELONG IN THE PARTY.
BUT, AGAIN, IT RUNS INTO THE
QUESTIONS OF IF, FOR INSTANCE,
THE SUPPORT FOR HER IS COMING
FROM SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES, DO
THOSE PEOPLE SAY THIS IS MY
ISSUE, I'M ONLY GOING TO VOTE
FOR LESLYN LEWIS AND/OR DEREK
SLOAN AND THEN THAT IS THE END
OF THE VOTING THAT I'M GOING TO
DO?
OR DO THOSE VOTES -- IS A THIRD
OR A FOURTH CANDIDATE ON THERE
AND WOULD THAT CANDIDATE, IN
FACT, BE ERIN O'TOOLE?
CERTAINLY THAT HAS BEEN THE
PITCH THAT HE'S BEEN MAKING.
WILL THAT EVEN MATTER IF PETER
MacKAY COMES OUT OF THE GATE
AS STRONG AS HE HOPES TO?
THAT'S ALL OF THE THINGS -- SOME
OF THE BIG ISSUES THAT WE'RE
GOING TO WANT TO WATCH FOR FROM
THAT FIRST ROUND OF VOTING.
>> Rosemary: I WOULD SAY THAT
THE ONLY VOCAL CRITICISM THAT WE
HAVE HEARD OF LESLYN LEWIS IS
AROUND HER FRENCH.
SHE DOES NOT SPEAK FRENCH.
SHE READ THINGS IN FRENCH DURING
THE FRENCH DEBATE.
BUT IT WAS A VERY POOR
PERFORMANCE, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE
SHE DOESN'T SPEAK FRENCH.
SO IT WAS A DIFFICULT THING TO
DO AS WELL.
>> Catherine: AND ONE
CONSERVATIVE DID SAY TO ME THAT
IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT SHE MIGHT
NOT HAVE BEEN TESTED IN THE SAME
WAY THAT, SAY, PETER MacKAY
AND ERIN O'TOOLE WERE IN THIS
RACE BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTED
HER SECOND BALLOT SUPPORT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ENGLISH
DEBATE, I AGREE WITH LESLYN AND
THE POINTS THAT WERE MADE AND SO
PERHAPS SHE DIDN'T GO THROUGH
THE FIRE IN QUITE THE SAME WAY,
THOUGH TO SOME EXTENT THAT WAS A
FUNCTION OF THE FACT OF HAVING A
SUCCESSFUL CAMPAIGN THAT THEY
KNEW THAT PEOPLE WERE TUNING
INTO.
AND THERE WAS AN INTERESTING
MOMENT A FEW WEEKS BACK WHERE
ERIN O'TOOLE STARTED TALKING
ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HIS OWN
PLACE IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS
AND WHY THAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR A
NEW LEADER.
AND I'M LED TO BELIEVE THAT IS A
RESPONSE THAT LESLYN LEWIS WAS
STARTING TO SEE.
PEOPLE PERCEIVE THAT BEING ABOUT
PETER MacKAY, O'TOOLE WAS
COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT SHE
WAS DOING REALLY WELL, AND THEY
WANTED TO SAY THAT IS GREAT BUT
WE STILL WANT TO WIN THIS RACE.
>> Rosemary: AND I'LL BRING IN
VASSY HERE.
I MEAN, THE ISSUE AROUND FRENCH,
IT IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE,
OBVIOUSLY, FOR ANY FEDERAL
LEADER.
THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT YOU
ARE AT LEAST FUNCTIONAL IN
FRENCH AND PREFERABLY BILINGUAL.
IN THIS CASE WE WILL SEE
TONIGHT -- AND ERIC TALKED ABOUT
IT EARLIER -- IF QUEÉBEC DOESN'T
HAVE AS MANY MEMBERS AS ALBERTA,
FOR INSTANCE, AND IT DOESN'T, IT
DOESN'T REALLY MATTER BECAUSE IT
STILL HAS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF
WEIGHT AND POWER IN DECIDING WHO
THE LEADER WILL BE.
AND IF THEY SEE SOMEONE AND THEY
DON'T FEEL THAT THEY ARE
COMMUNICATING ENOUGH OR WELL
ENOUGH IN FRENCH, THAT WILL BE A
TURNOFF AND THAT WILL BE A
PROBLEM.
AND I DON'T JUST MEAN FOR LESLYN
LEWIS, BUT I MEAN FOR ANY OF THE
CANDIDATES, VASSY?
>> Vassy: AND I'LL TAKE IT A
STEP FURTHER BECAUSE I REMEMBER
ONE OF THE THINGS AFTER THE LAST
ELECTION THAT REALLY -- I GUESS
THAT SURPRISED ME, WAS THE
PEOPLE THAT WERE ANGRY.
THE CONSERVATIVES ANGRIEST ABOUT
THE LOSS WERE ACTUALLY IN
ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN,
BECAUSE THEY HAD COME OUT IN
SUCH RECORD NUMBERS AND THEY HAD
REALLY ANTICIPATED OR HOPED FOR,
I GUESS IS THE KIND WAY OF
PUTTING IT, A BETTER RESULT.
THEY WANTED TO WIN.
AND I SAY THAT AND I SAY THAT IT
IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IN THE
CONTEXT OF SPEAKING FRENCH,
BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO
SPEAK FRENCH IN ORDER TO BECOME
PRIME MINISTER.
THAT'S JUST A FACT, RIGHT?
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHY I
WAS A BIT TORN.
I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF
MOMENTUM FOR LESLYN LEWIS, IN
PARTICULAR IN THE TWO PROVINCES
THAT I MENTIONED, BUT MANY
PEOPLE THAT I HAD SPOKE TO WERE
ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT HER CAMPAIGN
AND ABOUT WHAT SHE BROUGHT TO
THE TABLE, BUT THEY CARED ABOUT
WINNABILITY AND THE ABILITY OF A
CANDIDATE.
AND THOUGH THEY CAME OUT AND
ENDORSED ERIN O'TOOLE, THERE
WERE MANY WHO WERE CONSIDERING
BOTH O'TOOLE AND MacKAY
BECAUSE OF THAT VERY FACTOR,
RIGHT?
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO WIN AND IT
WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM.
SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT DOESN'T
MEAN THEY WON'T VOTE FOR LESLYN
LEWIS.
BUT IT'S COMPLICATING IT.
AND THEY ARE ACCEPTING OF AND
THEY UNDERSTAND, THE MEMBERS
ACROSS COUNTRY, THAT IF YOU ARE
BILINGUAL, YOU CAN BE PRIME
MINISTER.
IF YOU ARE NOT, YOU CAN'T.
AND SO I THINK THAT THAT WAS A
FACTOR IN THEIR ULTIMATE
DECISION.
OR MAYBE IN -- I SHOULD BE MORE
PARTICULAR -- IN THE ORDER THAT
THEY RANK THEM IN.
SO LESLYN LEWIS HAD A LOT OF
SUPPORT BUT WHETHER OR NOT, YOU
KNOW, THEY STILL HAD A HIGH
LEVEL OF SUPPORT FOR THE OTHER
TWO FRONT-RUNNERS BECAUSE THEY
REALLY DO -- THE BIG THING THEY
WERE UPSET ABOUT LAST TIME
AROUND WAS THE FACT THAT --
REMEMBER, THE TURNOUT IN ALBERTA
AND SASKATCHEWAN WAS SO
INCREDIBLY HIGH.
THEY SWEPT THOSE TWO PROVINCES.
AND THEY STILL DIDN'T WIN,
RIGHT?
AND THAT REALLY BOTHERED THEM.
SO I THINK THAT IT IS A FACTOR
THIS TIME AROUND TOO.
>> Rosemary: PART OF ANDREW
SCHEER'S PROBLEM WAS NOT THAT HE
GAINED MORE SEATS AND HAD MORE
VOTES, IT WAS WHERE THOSE SEATS
AND THOSE VOTES WERE.
AND SO THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY --
I THINK THAT ANYONE INSIDE OF
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY --
UNDERSTANDS THAT IN ORDER TO
FORM GOVERNMENT THEY NEED TO
PICK UP SUPPORT IN OTHER PLACES,
MAINLY IN AND AROUND THE G.T.A.
AND IN QUEÉBEC, WHERE THEY ONLY
WON I BELIEVE 10 SEATS.
SO, LIKE, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH IF
YOU'RE TRYING TO FORM GOVERNMENT
AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT ENOUGH IF
YOU WANT A MAJORITY GOVERNMENT.
AND PART OF WHAT ANDREW SCHEER
EXPERIENCED WAS PEOPLE SAYING TO
HIM, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T ENOUGH
FOR THE PARTY.
AND SO THE CANDIDATES THAT ARE
THERE TODAY, NOT ONLY DO THEY
HAVE TO SPEAK FRENCH TO SOME
EXTENT, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE
TO APPEAL TO THOSE OTHER PLACES.
I WOULDN'T SAY -- AND,
CATHERINE, I'LL GET YOU TO WEIGH
IN -- I WOULDN'T SAY THAT PETER
MacKAY AND ERIN O'TOOLE SPEAK
GREAT FRENCH, AS SOMEONE WHO IS
BILINGUAL, AND YOU ARE TOO, BUT
THEY CAN COMMUNICATE TO SOME
EXTENT TO QUÉBECERS AND
QUÉBECERS ARE QUITE, YOU KNOW,
QUITE WILLING TO ACCEPT SOMEONE
WHO IS MAKING AN EFFORT.
>> Catherine: AND IT WAS
INTERESTING GOING INTO THE
FRENCH DEBATE.
PETER MacKAY, WHEN HE LAUNCHED
HIS CAMPAIGN AND WE TALK ABOUT
THE GAFFES OVER THE COURSE OF
THE CAMPAIGN ATTRIBUTED TO HIM,
THERE WERE SOME GRAMMATICAL
ISSUES IN A SPEECH THAT HE WAS
READING IN THAT VERY FIRST DAY
OF THE CAMPAIGN.
AND IT DID GET THINGS OFF TO A
ROUGH START AND IT WAS MAKING
HEADLINES IN QUÉBEC FOR ALL OF
THE MISTAKES AND THE WAY THAT HE
WAS EXPRESSING HIMSELF.
SO A LOT OF BUILD-UP TO THAT
FRENCH LANGUAGE DEBATE.
I'D SAY THAT HIS FRENCH IN MY
ESTIMATION, AND THIS IS A VERY
SUBJECTIVE THING, SEEMED TO BE A
BIT WORSE THAN ERIN O'TOOLE'S.
THEY ARE BOTH ABLE TO
COMMUNICATE IN THEIR SECOND
LANGUAGE BUT MacKAY SEEMS TO
STRUGGLE, A BIT MORE IN
PARTICULAR WITH GRAMMAR.
WHEN IT CAME TO THAT DEBATE,
PETER MacKAY SURPRISED A LOT
OF PEOPLE.
WHILE HIS ACTUAL FRENCH ITSELF
MAY NOT HAVE BEEN QUITE AS GOOD
AS MR. OH, TOOL'S, HE SEEMED TO
BE MORE AT EASE AND MR. O'TOOLE
DID GET VISIBLY FRUSTRATED WITH
MR. MacKAY AT ONE POINT DURING
THE DEBATE.
SO HE SHOWED THAT -- THEY BOTH
HAVE SHOWN THEY CAN COMMUNICATE
IN THAT LANGUAGE, THEY CAN HAVE
A BIT OF PUSH AND PULL.
THOUGH I DO WONDER OVER THE
LONGER TERM TO WHAT EXTENT THEY
HAVE TO UP THEIR GAME IF THEY
WANT TO APPEAL TO PEOPLE IN
QUÉBEC BEYOND THE CONSERVATIVE
BASE.
I DO THINK THAT SOME OF THAT
WORK HAS BEEN ONGOING.
BUT IT IS CERTAINLY GOING TO
HAVE TO CONTINUE IF THEY HOPE TO
WIN.
>> Rosemary: OR HOW THEY PLAN
TO DEBATE A PRIME MINISTER WHOSE
FIRST LANGUAGE IS FRENCH.
THAT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.
AND WE SAW THAT IN THE FRENCH
DEBATE IN THE LAST ELECTION FOR
SURE.
>> Catherine: AND WE TALKED A
LOT ABOUT THE REGIONAL ISSUES
THAT PLAY INTO THIS.
I DO THINK THAT SOMETHING THAT
YOU HEAR FROM ONE CAMPAIGN AFTER
ANOTHER IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF
THE WEXIT MOVEMENT AND A CONCERN
THAT IF PETER MacKAY IS TO WIN
THAT HE MIGHT NOT BE SEEING AS
MUCH SUPPORT IN ALBERTA AND WHAT
OVERTURES WILL HE MAKE TO SHOW
THAT HE'S LISTENING TO THAT
PROVINCE.
AND MORE BROADLY, THAT PART OF
THE COUNTRY.
BUT SOMETHING THAT I HAVE HEARD
FROM CONSERVATIVES HAS MORE TO
DO A GENERATIONAL DIVIDE.
GEOGRAPHY PLAYS A ROLE BECAUSE
YOU WANT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF
SEATS BUT HEARING CONSERVATIVES
TALK ABOUT THEY WANT A VISION
FROM THIS NEW LEADER AND THEY
WANT THAT VISION TO BE SOMETHING
THAT IS GOING TO RESIDENCE RESOH
PEOPLE OF THE NEXT GENERATION.
NOW ERIN O'TOOLE HAS MADE AN
EFFORT TO GET SUPPORT FROM THE
MILLENNIAL M.P.s AND HE'S TRY
TO SHOW THAT HE CAN REACH OUT TO
YOUNGER CANADIANS, BUT
REGARDLESS WHO WINS, THEY DO
NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO GO
BEYOND THEIR VOTER POOL AS IT
EXISTS.
EVERYBODY AGREES ON THAT.
AND THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS
THAT PITCH LOOK LIKE, THAT
MICRO-TARGETING THAT WORKED FOR
THE CONSERVATIVES IN THE PAST?
THERE'S A FEELING AMONGST
CONSERVATIVES THAT IT JUST MIGHT
NOT WORK ANYMORE.
>> Rosemary: CATHERINE AND
VASSY, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND I'LL BE BACK FOR YOU
SHORTLY.
BUT FOR THOSE TUNING IN RIGHT
NOW TO SEE HOCKEY ON CBC
TELEVISION, YOU'RE WATCHING AT
THIS HOUR SPECIAL COVERAGE OF
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY
LEADERSHIP.
THERE HAS BEEN A LONG DELAY IN
THE RELEASE OF THE RESULTS.
SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WANT TO
SEE THE VANCOUVER CANUCKS VERSUS
THE VEGAS GOLDEN KNIGHTS IT'S ON
SPORTSNET PACIFIC AND WE WILL
JOIN THE GAME ONCE WE HAVE A
FINAL RESULT AND A NEW
CONSERVATIVE LEADER, A NEW
LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL
OPPOSITION.
AS I HAVE BEEN SAYING, YOU HAVE
BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME AND
HANGING IN THIS RESULT, AS HAVE
WE, SO WE WON'T LEAVE YOU NOW.
YOU HAVE A PLACE TO GO AND WATCH
HOCKEY AND ONCE WE'RE HEADING
BACK YOU CAN SWITCH BACK TO US
TO SEE THE REST OF THE GAME.
ALL RIGHT, WE ARE NOW AT 10:30
EASTERN.
SO SIX AND A HALF HOURS AT THIS
STAGE PAST WHEN THE PROGRAMME
WAS SUPPOSED TO BEGIN.
AND WE WERE EXPECTING FINAL
RESULTS IF THEY WENT ALL THREE
ROUNDS AROUND 8:00 p.m.
EASTERN.
SO WE'RE NOW WELL DELAYED ON
THOSE RESULTS AND WE HAVE HEARD
AND WE HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU
ABOUT THE REASON WHY AND IT HAS
TO DO WITH ENVELOPES.
AND DAMAGE TO BALLOTS.
WE ARE HEARING NOW -- AND I'M
HEARING FROM A VARIETY OF PEOPLE
AS WELL WHO KNOW THE PARTY --
THAT WE SHOULD GET SOMETHING
AROUND 10:30.
IT IS 10:30 NOW THOUGH AND WE
HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN ANY UPDATE
FROM THE STAGE OR FROM PARTY
OFFICIALS OFFICIALLY.
SO WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT THEY WILL
HAVE SOME FIRST ROUND BALLOT
RESULTS FOR US QUICKLY.
WHEN WE LAST HEARD FROM PEOPLE
THEY WERE DOWN TO LESS THAN A
THOUSAND BALLOTS TO VALIDATE.
BUT, OBVIOUSLY, THIS HAS BECOME,
YOU KNOW, A TEDIOUS PROCESS,
CERTAINLY, FOR THE SCRUTINEERS
WHO REPRESENT THE DIFFERENT
TEAMS INSIDE OF THOSE ROOMS.
AND FOR THE PEOPLE, THE
VOLUNTEERS, WHO ARE WORKING TO
GET THE RESULTS.
A FRUSTRATING PROCESS,
CERTAINLY, FOR THE CANDIDATES
WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, REALLY
WANTING TO KNOW WHAT THEIR
FUTURE WILL LOOK LIKE.
THE FOUR CANDIDATES.
BUT THIS COULD UNFOLD VERY
QUICKLY ONCE THEY START GIVING
US THE RESULTS.
BECAUSE THIS IS A RANKED BALLOT
AND ALL OF THEM ARE TABULATED BY
THE MACHINES THAT THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY USES AND SO
THE RESULTS WILL BE KNOWN.
EACH ROUND WILL BE KNOWN.
SO THEY COULD SPEED THIS UP IN A
REALLY DRAMATIC WAY IF THEY
NEEDED TO, IF THEY WANTED TO.
AND IF THEY WANT TO DRAG THINGS
OUT A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
SO WE ARE STANDING BY TO BRING
YOU THE ACTING EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR, JAMIE GERARD, OF THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA.
SHE IS COMING INTO THE ROOM HERE
AT THE SHAW CENTRE TO GIVE US AN
UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE HEADED
AND IF WE ARE GOING TO FIND OUT
THINGS SOON.
REMEMBER, THE PARTY WAS -- I
THINK THAT IT'S FAIR TO SAY
SOMEWHAT OVERWHELMED BY THE
ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF BALLOTS THAT
WERE SUBMITTED BY THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY MEMBERS.
IT'S ABOUT 10,000 MORE THAN THE
LAST TIME AROUND IN 2017.
THE PARTY HAS MANAGED TO BOOST
ITS MEMBERS TOO SINCE THE LAST
LEADERSHIP RACE AND SO 175,000
BALLOTS THAT HAD TO BE VALIDATED
AND LOOKED AT AND THEN COUNTED
AS OF TODAY AND SO THAT WAS
PERHAPS MORE, FRANKLY, THAN THE
PARTY EXPECTED.
AND SO IT HAS THROWN THEM A BIT
OF A CURVEBALL WHEN THEY RAN
INTO THIS PROBLEM WITH THE
ENVELOPE OPENING.
BECAUSE THESE ARE THE KINDS OF
THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN.
OKAY, CATHERINE CULLEN IS
TELLING US THAT WE'LL GET A
15-MINUTE WARNING WHEN THINGS
HAPPEN AND WE DON'T HAVE A
15-MINUTE WARNING YET.
SO AS SHOULD BE EXPECTED WITH
THIS CONVENTION, WITH THIS
LEADERSHIP CONVENTION, WE ARE
GOING TO PUSH BACK AGAIN WHAT WE
WERE EXPECTING.
SO PROBABLY NOT AT 10:30
EASTERN.
THEY STILL SAY THEY CAN GET IT
DONE BY THE END OF THE NIGHT.
SO WE WILL BE HOPEFUL THEY DO DO
THAT.
AND WE WILL BRING YOU ANALYSIS
IF WE HAVE TIME FOR IT, IF WE'RE
STILL STANDING, AS SOON AS IT
DOES HAPPEN.
ALL RIGHT, WE WILL GO TO KORY
TENEYCKE, HE IS STANDING BY, IN
TORONTO.
BACK TO KORY.
HI.
>> HI.
>> Rosemary: SO WE WERE --
>> WE'RE GETTING -- THERE'S A
LOT OF TAP DANCING.
>> Rosemary: IT'S A LOT, A
LOT.
SO I LEARNED FROM THE GREAT DON
NEWMAN, SO THERE YOU GO.
>> EXACTLY.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, EXACTLY.
SO WE WERE TOLD 10:30 AND NOW
WE'RE TOLD THAT WE'LL GET A
15-MINUTE WARNING.
SO WE WILL WAIT AND SEE HOW THAT
SHAKES DOWN.
OKAY, LET ME JUST ASK YOU AGAIN,
FOR PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE TUNING
IN NOW OR WHO HAVE FORGOTTEN
WHAT YOU HAVE SAID BEFORE, WHAT
INDICATORS YOU WILL LOOK FOR IN
THE FIRST BALLOT IF NO ONE GETS
A MAJORITY.
WHAT KIND OF THINGS WOULD BE
IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO WATCH?
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT, LOOK, THE
FRONT-RUNNER IN THESE RACES
GENERALLY DOESN'T GROW AT THE
SAME RATE AS PEOPLE BELOW THEM
ON THE BALLOT.
SO THE PERCEIVED FRONT-RUNNER IN
THE RACE HAS BEEN PETER
MacKAY.
I THINK THAT IF HE'S NOT ABOVE
40% ON THE FIRST BALLOT, THEN I
THINK THAT HE'S GOING TO HAVE
SOME DIFFICULTY.
I THINK THAT THE OTHER THINGS
THAT I'LL BE LOOKING FOR VERY
CAREFULLY IS WHAT IS THE GAP --
NOT JUST WHO IS IN SECOND AND
WHO IS IN THIRD, WHICH I THINK
THAT IT WILL BE EITHER ERIN
O'TOOLE OR LESLYN LEWIS IN
SECOND AND THIRD.
WHAT IS THE GAP BETWEEN THEM?
AND THEN WHAT IS THE -- AND IS
THAT GAP -- WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
SLOAN DROPS OFF, PROBABLY GOES
TO LEWIS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF LEWIS WAS, SAY,
IN THIRD BUT YOU ADD SLOAN'S
VOTES TO HER AND SHE LEAP FROGS,
THEN THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S
VERY MEANINGFUL.
PROBABLY MEANS THAT EITHER PETER
MacKAY OR LESLYN LEWIS WOULD
BE THE LEADER.
AND IF ERIN O'TOOLE FINISHES THE
FIRST BALLOT IN FIRST PLACE,
ALMOST REGARDLESS WHAT THE
NUMBER IS, I THINK THAT THE ODDS
ARE THAT HE WOULD WIN THE RACE
BECAUSE I THINK THAT HE WOULD
DRAW MORE VOTES FROM LEWIS AND
SLOAN SUPPORTERS FOR REASONS
THAT YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT
TONIGHT.
SEEN AS MORE FRIENDLY TO SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES, ETC.
BUT THE INTERESTING X FACTOR IN
THIS IS LESLYN LEWIS.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT SHE'S NOT
JUST DRAWING SUPPORT FROM SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES.
YES, SHE IS A SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVE.
BUT SHE'S QUITE A NUANCED SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVE COMPARED TO SOMEONE
LIKE SLOAN WHO IS VERY MUCH IN
YOUR FACE.
SHE'S MUCH MORE NUANCED AND MANY
SOCIAL MODERATES AND MANY URBAN
FEMALES AND OTHERS WHO ARE NOT
TYPICALLY CAPTURED BY THAT
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE COHORT, IN
FACT, MANY ARE QUITE HOSTILE TO
IT, WHO ARE VOTING FOR LESLYN
LEWIS AS THEIR FIRST CHOICE.
SO, YOU KNOW, SHE HAS THE
POTENTIAL, SORT OF THIS
CROSSOVER APPEAL WITHIN THE
PARTY MEMBERSHIP WHERE SHE CAN
ACTUALLY I THINK ATTRACT VOTES
THAT ARE NOT TRADITIONAL.
AND WHERE THOSE PEOPLE GO ON
THEIR SECOND CHOICE, I THINK
THAT IT IS MORE UP IN THE AIR.
AND AND IT'S THE ANIMOSITY
BETWEEN THE COMPOLE AND THE
O'TOOLE CAMPAIGN, AND IT'S
ALMOST CARBON COPIES OF ONE
ANOTHER.
I THINK THAT MacKAY IS MORE
CHARISMATIC BUT A LESS POLICY
ORIENTED CANDIDATE, WITH A VERY
SIMILAR NATURE IN THE MINDS OF
SOME.
AND THAT APPEALS TO SOME PEOPLE.
AND WHEN YOU AVERAGE THOSE
TRAITS OUT, YOU COME OUT WITH
ALMOST AN IDENTICAL TRIGGER FOR
A LOT OF PEOPLE.
BUT THEIR SAMENESS IS WHAT MAKES
THE ANIMOSITY BETWEEN THEIR
CAMPS TENSE.
WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE BIG THINGS
TO DISAGREE ABOUT, YOU CAN GET
VERY SMALL ABOUT IT, AND YOU
HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THAT.
THAT HAS ANOTHER INTERESTING
DYNAMIC WHERE I THINK THAT WE'VE
TALKED ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE
HAVE SEEN IN RACES LIKE THE
RAE-IGNATIEFF, STÉPHANE DION
RACE, WHERE THE TWO PERCEIVED
CAMPS GOT INTO IT SO MUCH THAT
THE ONLY THING THAT THEIR
SUPPORTERS CAN AGREE ON IS THAT
THE PERSON WHO IS PERCEIVED TO
BE IN THIRD IS BETTER THAN THE
PERSON WHO THEY'RE HAVING TO
FIGHT WITH.
>> Rosemary: UM-HMM.
>> SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT
THE GAP BETWEEN THESE CANDIDATES
IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT TO
LOOK AT.
AND I THINK THAT ANY ONE OF THE
THREE OF THEM HAS THE POTENTIAL
TO WIN TONIGHT.
THEIR PATHS LOOK A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT BUT ANY OF THE THREE
OF THEM HAVE POTENTIAL TO DO IT.
BUT UNTIL WE SEE THE FIRST
BALLOT RESULTS IT'S ALL GUESSING
AND IT'S ALL RUMOURS.
RUMOURS ARE FUN, GUESSING IS
FUN, BUT KNOWING IS EVEN BETTER.
[laughter]
WHO KNOWS WHEN THAT WILL HAPPEN?
>> Rosemary: AS A JOURNALIST,
I WOULD TEND TO AGREE.
KORY, I'LL LEAVE IT THERE AND
THANK YOU THOUGH AND WE'LL COME
BACK TO YOU BECAUSE SOMETHING
WILL HAPPEN EVENTUALLY AND WE'LL
WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.
AND LET ME TELL SOME OF YOU WHO
MIGHT HAVE TURNED ON CBC
TELEVISION BECAUSE YOU'RE
DIE-HARD CANUCKS FANS AND WHAT
YOU ARE WATCHING RIGHT NOW IS
THE CBC NEWS COVERAGE OF THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY LEADERSHIP
RACE.
IT HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY
DELAYED AT THIS STAGE, WE
THOUGHT THAT WE MIGHT BE WRAPPED
UP BY 8:00 OR 9:00 AND WE HAVE
NOT HEARD ANY FIRST-ROUND BALLOT
RESULTS RIGHT NOW, SO IF YOU
WANT TO WATCH THE PLAYOFFS, AND
IF YOU WANT TO WATCH THE
VANCOUVER CANUCKS AGAINST THE
VEGAS GOLDEN KNIGHTS GO TO
SPORTSNET SPECIFIC AND CBC
TELEVISION WHEN WE GET THE
RESULT AND A NEW CONSERVATIVE
LEADER.
WE'LL GO TO THAT GAME IF IT'S
ONGOING.
AND THOSE ARE MANY WAYS TO KEEP
WATCHING HOCKEY, KEEP WATCHING
THIS.
YOU CAN DO BOTH AT THE SAME
TIME.
AND MANY OF YOU ARE DOING THAT,
MULTIPLE SCREENS.
AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT
IF YOU NEED TO.
LET'S GO BACK NOW OUT TO CALGARY
TO MICHELLE REMPEL GARNER, THE
M.P. FOR CALGARY-NOSEHILL TO SEE
HOW SHE'S HOLDING UP.
I GUESS THAT YOU DO HAVE THE
ADVANTAGE OF TIME ZONES ON YOUR
SIDE HERE, MICHELLE.
SO YOU'RE PROBABLY BETTER
PREPARED FOR THE LONG HAUL THAN
I AM.
FIRST OF ALL, LET ME ASK, ARE
YOU HEARING ANYTHING?
WE ARE HEARING THAT SOME OF THE
CAMPS ARE FRUSTRATED AND
IMPATIENT WITH HOW THINGS ARE
UNFOLDING.
>> YOU ARE RIGHT, IT IS STILL
PRIME TIME IN CALGARY.
BUT, CERTAINLY, WHAT I'M HEARING
FROM FOLKS IN DIFFERENT CAMPS IS
THAT THEY WANT THE PARTY TO GET
THIS RIGHT.
AND THIS DELAY IS PART OF IT.
THE REALITY IS THAT IN RECENT
LEADERSHIP RACES IN CANADA, I
THINK ABOUT THE 2012 N.D.P.
CONVENTION HAD A BUNCH OF
ISSUES.
EVEN THE IOWA CAUCUSES, I
BELIEVE, RIGHT, FOR THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAD DELAYS.
THAT IS A FOOTNOTE AFTER THE
RESULTS ARE ANNOUNCED.
AND IT WILL BE WHAT ARE THEY
GOING TO DO.
SO I THINK THAT AS A MEMBER
MYSELF, I WOULD RATHER THAT THE
PARTY TAKE THE TIME, GETS IT
RIGHT AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERY
CAMP HAS THE RESULTS, YOU KNOW,
CERTIFIED IN THEIR MIND.
AND THAT THEY CAN MOVE ON FROM
THERE.
>> Rosemary: SO LET ME JUST --
YOU MAY KNOW THIS, BUT I'LL GIVE
YOU AND THE VIEWERS UPDATES ON
WHEN THE RESULTS WILL BE
ANNOUNCED.
SO FOR ROUND ONE, THE PROVINCIAL
REPRESENTATIVES WILL READ THE
PROVINCE-BY-PROVINCE RESULTS.
THEY'RE GOING TO JUST READ THE
RESULTS.
AND THEN ROUND TWO AND THREE, IF
NEEDED, WE WILL ONLY GET THE
NATIONAL RESULTS FROM DAN NOWLAN
AND LISA RAITT, THE CO-CHAIRS.
THEY WON'T DO THE PROVINCIAL
BREAKDOWN TO CUT DOWN ON TIME.
THAT IS GOOD.
THAT MEANS THAT WE'LL GET SOME
SORT OF RESULT FASTER THAN
MAYBE -- FASTER THAN MAYBE THE
PARTY WOULD HAVE LIKED.
I THINK THAT THE REGIONAL
BREAKDOWN IS SUPER IMPORTANT TO
UNDERSTAND THINGS, BUT I GUESS
THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT LATER.
I ASKED KORY THE QUESTION AND
LET ME ASK YOU THE QUESTION AS
WELL AS WE STAND BY AND WE WAIT
FOR WARNING.
OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, THE 16,901
POINTS, THE MAJORITY ON THAT
FIRST BALLOT, WHAT -- WHAT WILL
YOU BE LOOKING FOR AS AN M.P.,
WHAT SHOULD PEOPLE BE LOOKING
FOR?
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT THE
REGIONAL RESULTS ARE IMPORTANT.
JUST FROM THE DATA POINTS WITH
THE NEW LEADER TO UNDERSTAND,
YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A BIG
DISCREPANCY AND THERE'S A
REGIONAL ISSUE THAT THEY NEED TO
ADDRESS GOING FORWARD.
I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.
BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW THAT
UNTIL WE SEE THE RESULTS, RIGHT?
SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE
LEADERS ARE THINKING ABOUT
TOMORROW AND THINKING WHAT THEY
SAY IF THEY RAN IN A SCRUM THE
NEXT DAY AND THAT'S PROBABLY AT
THIS POINT IN THE NIGHT, THAT'S
WHAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT FOR
SURE.
I DEFINITELY WOULD NOTE THAT
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT
GROUPS THAT BOUGHT MEMBERSHIPS
SPECIFICALLY IN THIS RACE, BASED
ON SPECIFIC ISSUES.
WE TALKED EARLIER TONIGHT ABOUT,
FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIREARMS
COMMUNITY IN CANADA.
I THINK THAT UNDERSTANDING A
WEEK, TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, AFTER
THE RESULTS WERE DONE WHERE
THOSE -- THOSE VOTES WENT WILL
BE IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF
ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, AND SEEING
IF THOSE PEOPLE ARE REAL MEMBERS
AND WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE
PARTY.
AS SOMEONE THAT CARES SO MUCH
ABOUT WESTERN CANADA, WHAT WOULD
BE IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO HEAR
FROM WHOMEVER WINS TONIGHT?
I KNOW THAT VASSY EARLIER WAS
REPORTING THAT CATHERINE CULLEN
WOULD -- CATHERINE CULLEN --
THAT PETER MacKAY, THAT WOULD
BE HIS FIRST VISIT IF HE WINS.
BUT WHAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR
YOU TO HEAR AS A WESTERN
CANADIAN FROM THE NEW LEADER
TONIGHT?
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL,
ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THERE'S A
SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM.
AND IT'S NOT A PROBLEM THAT CAN
JUST BE SOLVED BY REPEALING A
COUPLE OF PIECES OF LEGISLATION.
AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE
ARE TIRED OF THE NATURE OF THE
CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE.
SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR AND I KNOW
THAT MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT I
REPRESENT WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IS
A COMMITMENT TO ADDRESSING THE
STRUCTURAL INEQUITIES.
[please stand by]
BREAKBREAKBREAK
>> WHERE YOU CAN GO AND CATCH 
THE GAME, SO YOU CAN HAVE YOUR 
COMPUTER OPEN WITH THE GAME ON, 
OR ME ON AT cbcnews.ca AND YOU 
CAN BE WATCHING HOCKEY ON YOUR 
TV SCREENS TOO. 
LOTS OF WAYS TO STILL STAY ON 
TOP OF WHO WILL BE THE NEXT 
CONSERVATIVE LEADER OF CANADA 
AND WHO WILL WIN THE IMPORTANT 
CANUCKS GAME. 
I PROBABLY HAVE A PRODUCER NAMED
PHIL WHO IS DOING MULTIPLE 
SCREENS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE HE 
CARES ABOUT HOCKEY AND POLITICS.
CBCSPORTS.CA IS WHERE YOU CAN 
SEE THAT IMPORTANT HOCKEY GAME. 
IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE WAITING 
TO HEAR FROM THE CONSERVATIVE 
PARTY FOR BALLOT UPDATES RIGHT 
NOW. 
WE HAVE HEARD THAT WE WOULD GET 
ABOUT A 15 MINUTE WARNING. 
WE HAVEN'T GOT THAT YET, BUT 
WE'RE HOPEFUL IT WILL COME SOON.
WE DO HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW
THIS IS GOING TO UNFOLD A LITTLE
BIT, SO LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT 
THAT. 
ONCE WE GET THAT 15 MINUTE 
WARNING, THE FIRST BATCH OF 
RESULTS, THE FIRST ROUND OF 
RESULTS WILL BE DONE PROVINCE BY
PROVINCE OR IN THE CASE OF THE 
TERRITORIES, GROUPED TOGETHER 
AND REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH OF
THOSE PROVINCES WILL GIVE US 
THEIR REGIONAL RESULTS AND WE 
WILL HEAR THE NATIONAL RESULT AT
THE END FROM THE LEADERSHIP 
CO-CHAIRS. 
IF A SECOND AND THIRD BALLOT IS 
NEEDED IN ORDER TO DETERMINE THE
LEADER AND CERTAINLYANY PEOPLE
BELIEVE IT WILL TAKE MORE THAN 
ONE BALLOT, THAT WILL BE GIVEN 
BY THE CO-CHAIRS LISA RAITT AND 
DAN NOLAN. 
ONLY THE NATIONAL NUMBER WILL BE
GIVEN, NOT THE WHOLE PROVINCIAL 
ROUND UP THAT WE WOULD HAVE 
GOTTEN FOR THE FIRST BALLOT. 
THAT IS IN PART TO SAVE SOME 
TIME HERE AND MAKE SURE THAT 
PEOPLE CAN KEEP WATCHING AND GET
THE RESULT AS SOON AS THEY HAVE 
IT. 
SO, THE PROGRAM DEFINITELY 
REDUCED DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY FROM 
WHAT THE PARTY HAD ANTICIPATED, 
BUT GIVEN THE VERY SIGNIFICANT 
DELAY HERE IN GETTING THE BALLOT
RESULTS, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT
THEY MIGHT WANT TO MAKE SURE 
THEY DO THIS IN A CONCISE WAY. 
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING WHEN
LAST WE HEARD THEY WERE ABOUT 
98% DONE. 
THAT WAS PROBABLY AN HOUR OR SO 
AGO. 
WE ANTICIPATE THAT THEY ARE 
CLOSE TO GETTING US SOME SORT OF
RESULT. 
ALL RIGHT, LET ME BRING BACK MY 
COLLEAGUES, THE HOST OF POWER 
AND POLITICS, VASSY KAPELOS, 
CATHERINE CULLEN, AND HANNAH 
THIBEDEAU. 
MAYBE I'LL START WITH HANNAH 
BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T CHATTED WITH 
HER IN A WHILE. 
HANNAH, WE'RE EXPECTING 
SOMETHING SOON MAYBE, A 15 
MINUTE WARNING OF SOME KIND AND 
I WOULD EXPECT THAT WE ARE 
GETTING NEAR THE END OF THIS. 
>> Reporter: I THINK WE ARE 
GETTING CLOSE. 
WE HEARD ABOUT 20 MINUTES AGO 
THAT THERE ARE 800 BALLOTS LEFT 
TO BE TABULATED. 
ONE OF THE REASONS, I WANT TO 
EXPLAIN WHY THERE IS SUCH A BIG 
DELAY. 
IMAGINE DURING COVID IN THIS 
ROOM, AND THERE ARE THREE ROOMS 
THAT THEY ARE USING IN AN OTTAWA
OFFICE SPACE DOWNTOWN FOR THE 
PROCESSING, THE VERIFICATION, 
THE TABULATING, THE OPENING, ALL
THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. 
THERE IS ONE ROOM SPECIFICALLY 
FOR THE TABULATING. 
THERE CAN ONLY BE A CERTAIN 
AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN THERE 
BECAUSE OF COVID-19. 
THERE ARE FEWER PEOPLE IN THERE 
ABLE TO DO THIS AND ALSO YOU 
HAVE TO LIMIT IT BECAUSE OF THE 
PEOPLE IN THERE AS WELL. 
WE HEARD THERE WERE 800 BALLOTS 
SO WE'RE GETTING CLOSE. 
STICK WITH US EVERYBODY. 
THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT 
THING. 
[LAUGHTER]
>> Reporter: WE ARE POKING FUN 
ON TWITTER. 
I SEE PEOPLE SENDING PICTURES OF
SCOTCH TAPE SAYING I'LL HELP YOU
TAPE THE BALLOTS. 
ELIZABETH MAY SAID MAYBE WE WILL
FIND OUT WHO THE CONSERVATIVE 
LEADER IS THE SAME TIME WE FIND 
OUT THE GREEN LEADER. 
THIS IS THE LEADER OF THE 
OFFICIAL OPPOSITION THAT WILL BE
ANNOUNCED TONIGHT. 
THESE BALLOTS ARE IMPORTANT TOO 
BECAUSE THERE IS A CLOSE RACE. 
WE HEARD THERE'S THAT PERCEIVED 
CLOSE RACE BETWEEN PETER MacKAY 
AND ERIN O'TOOLE. 
EVERY BALLOT COULD CONTINUE IN 
THIS. 
ALL BALLOTS DO COUNT, BUT WHEN 
IT'S SUCH A CLOSE RACE. 
THEY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH 
THESE BALLOTS. 
WE'RE HEARING IT WILL BE SOON. 
STICK WITH US. 
WE'RE SEEING PICTURES OUT OF THE
DIFFERENT SUITES AND WE SAW SOME
WITH PETER MacKAY AND HIS YOUNG 
KIDS, WHICH ARE GETTING 
RESTLESS. 
WE HEARD FROM CLARK WHO IS IN 
WITH ERIN O'TOOLE, WAITING FOR 
THE RESULTS. 
AT ONE POINT THEY THOUGHT THE 
RESULTS WERE COMING, THEY STOOD 
UP, GOT ALL EXCITED AND I'M 
TALKING TO PEOPLE OFF TO THE 
SIDE SAYING THEY ARE GETTING 
TIRED. 
IT HAS TAKEN A BIT OF THE OOMPH 
OUT OF THE AIR HERE. 
THERE WAS A LOT OF EXCITEMENT 
THAT THIS IS A CAMPAIGN DURING 
COVID AND THEY WERE STILL ABLE 
WITH ALL THE BIG NEWS TO GET 
ATTENTION ON THIS CAMPAIGN. 
THERE WERE THINGS LIKE THE 
$300 BILLION DEFICIT, THE 
PANDEMIC, THE RESIGNING OF THE 
FINANCE MINISTER, THE WE 
SCANDAL, BUT THEY STILL GRABBED 
THE ATTENTION FOR THIS CAMPAIGN.
THEY RAISED OVER $8 MILLION 
BETWEEN FOUR CANDIDATES AND THEY
HAD 175,000 PEOPLE CAST A 
BALLOT. 
THERE WAS EXCITEMENT FOR THIS 
AND LINT -- LITTLE BIT OF IT HAS
BEEN TAKEN OUT BECAUSE OF THE 
FAULTS IN THE BALLOTING SYSTEM. 
>> HANNAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
I WANT TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION 
IF I CAN. 
I SAID ON THE SECOND AND THIRD 
ROUND OF THE BALLOT 
T
ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT WE WOULDN'T 
HAVE THE REGIONAL BREAK DOWN. 
IN FACT WE WILL. 
IT'S CLARIFIED BY THE PARTY BUT 
IT WON'T BE BY THE PROVINCIAL 
REPRESENTATIVES BUT BY THE 
CO-CHAIRS ON STAGE. 
THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE 
TALKED ABOUT UNDERSTANDING WHERE
THE SUPPORT IS. 
IT WILL HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW 
THE RACE HAS UNFOLDED AND HOW 
MUCH SUPPORT THE LEADER HAS 
ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
WE WILL GET REGIONAL PROVINCIAL 
BREAKDOWNS FOR EACH BALLOT 
ROUND, BUT THEY WON'T BE 
ANNOUNCED BY THEIR PROVINCIAL 
REPRESENTATIVES WITH THE 
EXCEPTION OF THE FIRST ROUND, 
WHICH WE ARE HOPING WILL COME 
SOON. 
WE SEE SOME ACTIVITY OVER THERE 
IN THE SHAW CENTRE, WHERE THE 
SPEECH WILL HAPPY THE LEADER 
ONCE WE GET ONE. 
IT'S WHERE THE ANNOUNCEMENTS 
WILL HAPPY THE ELECTION 
LEADERSHIP CAMPAIGN AND THAT 
SHOULD HAPPEN AS WELL. 
LET ME BRING BACK VASSY KAPELOS 
AND I SEE LISA RAITT AND DAN 
NOLAN. 
THEY MAY BE MAKING THEIR WAY 
INTO THE ROOM HERE. 
LET'S SEE IF THEY'RE COMING IN 
TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON EVENTS. 
MAYBE I WILL GO TO VASSY KAPELOS
AS THEY GET WIRED UP. 
PRESUMABLY -- I'M NOT SURE IF 
THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US 
NUMBERS. 
WHAT ARE YOU HEARING BECAUSE I'M
NOT SURE THAT THEY HAVE NUMBERS 
YET. 
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD 
ANYTHING. 
>> Reporter: I'M NOT SURE 
EITHER. 
I MEAN LAST TIME THEY CAME OUT 
WAS SHORTLY BEFORE THEY STARTED 
TALKING. 
I'M GOING TO TAKE A LEAP OF 
FAITH AND SAY THIS. 
THIS MIGHT BE A REASON FOR A 
TINY BIT OF OPTIMISM. 
>> LISTEN, PHIL REMINDS ME THAT 
WE HADN'T HAD THE 15 MINUTE 
WARNING. 
THIS MAY BE THE 15 MINUTE 
WARNING HERE. 
>> Reporter: TRUE, BUT THEY 
COULD HAVE MISSED THAT WARNING 
TOO. 
AFTER THE NIGHT WE JUST SEEN, 
WHO KNOWS. 
[LAUGHTER]
>> Reporter: YEAH, I'M NOT SURE 
ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT -- YEAH, I 
DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE 15 MINUTE 
WARNING. 
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE CERTAINTY
OF THE RESULTS, BUT THOSE ARE 
THE TWO CO-CHAIRS OF THE 
LEADERSHIP ORGANIZING 
COMMITTEES. 
THEY WILL BE ANNOUNCING THE 
MAJORITY OF THE RESULTS AFTER 
THE REGIONAL ONES FOR THE FIRST 
BALLOT ROLLS IN, AT LEAST FOR 
THE SECOND AND SUBSEQUENT 
BALLOTS IF THE RACE GOES TO THAT
POINT. 
IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING IS 
HAPPENING OR SOMETHING COULD BE 
HAPPENING. 
HOPEFULLY ONCE THE BALL GETS 
ROLLING ON THE FIRST SET OF 
RESULTS, IT SHOULDN'T BE TOO 
DIFFICULT TO GET THE REST 
BECAUSE THE RANKINGS ARE ON ONE 
BALLOT. 
IT'S NOT LIKE ANOTHER TABULATION
NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
THEY SHOULD HAVE EVERYTHING AT 
THAT POINT AND IT'S JUST FOR THE
SAKE OF THE SHOW TYPE OF THING. 
IT'S NOT ACTUALLY LEGITIMATE 
DELAYS BECAUSE OF THE THINGS WE 
SEEN OVER THE LAST FIVE HOURS. 
>> YES, FIVE HOURS INDEED. 
OKAY, I'M JUST GOING TO STAND --
I'M GOING TO STAND BY HERE AND 
WAIT TO SEE IF -- OH, CATHERINE 
HAS SOMETHING. 
>> Reporter: YES, I CAN CONFIRM 
THAT THIS IS NOT THE 15 MINUTE 
WARNING. 
[LAUGHTER]
>> WE DISLIKE YOU NOW CATHERINE.
>> Reporter: WE WILL GET AN 
INITIAL 15 MINUTE WARNING. 
THIS IS NOT IT. 
IN FACT, IF YOU WANT AN 
IMPORTANT PIECE OF DETAIL, DAN 
NOLAN AND LISA RAITT WERE TIRED 
OF THE ROOM THEY WERE SITTING IN
SO THEY WENT TO SIT SOMEWHERE 
ELSE. 
WE CAN ALL RELATE AT THIS STAGE.
YEAH, WE WILL GET THE 15 MINUTE 
WARNING BEFORE THE RESULTS COME 
IN. 
I KNOW THAT THE FOLKS I'M 
SPEAKING TO ARE JUST AS ANXIOUS 
AS WE ARE TO HEAR WHAT'S GOING 
TO HAPPEN BUT UNFORTUNATELY 
WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET. 
ONE OF THE CAMPAIGN TEAMS SAID 
TO ME THAT THEY HAVE TO IMAGINE 
THAT THEY MUST BE GETTING THERE 
SOON BASED ON THE INFORMATION 
THEY'RE GETTING. 
AGAIN, SINCE WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT
15 MINUTE WARNING YET, I THINK 
WE SHOULD PROCEED WITH CAUTION, 
WHICH IS THE LESSON WE'RE BEING 
TAUGHT OVER AND OVER AGAIN BY 
EVENTS THIS EVENING. 
>> VERY 2020. 
>> Reporter: YEAH. 
>> OKAY, WE WILL GET THAT 15 
MINUTE WARNING AND THEN WE WILL 
START TO GET SOME OF THESE 
RESULTS IN. 
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD 
SIGN THAT THEY ARE ON THE STAGE 
AND TAKING POSITION BECAUSE YOU 
KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY A 
GOOD THING. 
THEY ARE ALSO HOPEFUL THAT WE 
WILL GET SOME RESULTS SOME TIME 
SOON. 
>> Reporter: YEAH, AND I 
REMEMBER EARLIER IN THE DAY I 
WAS TRYING TO GET A FEEL OF WHAT
THE CANDIDATES HAVE BEEN DOING, 
SPENDING TIME WITH THEIR 
FAMILIES, IN WHICH THEY HAVEN'T 
SEEN A LOT OF IN THE LAST FEW 
DAYS OF THIS CAMPAIGN. 
WHILE MUCH OF IT WAS CONDUCTED 
THROUGH ZOOM MEETINGS AND 
WHATNOT, IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS, 
DEPENDING ON THE CAMPAIGN TEAM, 
SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN OUT IN 
THE FIELD. 
ERIN O'TOOLE HAS BEEN ORIENTED 
TOWARDS PHONE CALLS. 
THEY ALL DID A WALK THROUGH OF 
THE FACILITY AND I'M SURE THEY 
SAW WHERE THEY WOULD WALK, THE 
PODIUM WHERE THEY WOULD SPEAK 
AT, THEY COULD IMAGINE THAT BIG 
MOMENT. 
AN HOUR BEFORE THE SPECIAL 
STARTED, SPEAKING TO SOMEONE 
FROM O'TOOLE'S TEAM THAT HE IS 
MAKING THE LAST TWEAKS TO THE 
SPEECH NOW. 
YOU CAN IMAGINE TONIGHT, THEY 
HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH 
SUPPORTERS, ALL THE VARIOUS 
TEAMS, AND THEIR CAMPAIGN TEAM, 
MAKING THOSE LAST ADJUSTMENTS TO
THE SPEECH, HOPING THEY'RE THE 
ONES TO DELIVER IT AND OF COURSE
AS WE ARE, TRYING TO MAKE SENSE 
OF EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING 
AND WHAT THE CHALLENGE IS AND 
THE HOLD UP IN RESOLVING ALL OF 
THIS. 
>> YES, THAT'S QUITE RIGHT. 
WE ARE JUST LIKE EVERYONE 
WATCHING OR PEOPLE JUST TUNING 
IN NOW, WE WANT TO SEE WHO 
BECOMES THE LEADER OF THIS 
OFFICIAL OPPOSITION. 
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY IS OPEN 
ABOUT SAYING THIS COULD BE THE 
NEXT PRIME MINISTER AND THAT IS 
OF COURSE WHAT THEY HOPEFUL. 
IF WE HAVE AN ELECTION, SOONER 
RATHER THAN LATER, THIS FALL IS 
THE POSSIBILITY, THIS SPRING 
MORE LIKELY, THIS PERSON WILL 
HAVE TO PUT THEIR CREDENTIALS ON
THE TABLE ON WHY THEY SHOULD BE 
LEADER OF THE COUNTRY. 
AS HANNAH SAID, THIS IS NO SMALL
MATTER. 
IT'S A BIG DEAL FOR NOT JUST 
CONSERVATIVES, BUT FOR CANADIANS
AT AN IMPORTANT TIME IN THIS 
COUNTRY AS WE STRUGGLE ALL 
THROUGH THE PANDEMIC, WHAT SEEMS
TO BE THE END OF THE FIRST WAVE,
UNCERTAIN HOW THE FALL IS GOING 
TO GO AND KNOWING HOW TO PROP UP
BUSINESSES AND CANADIANS AND WHO
TO SUPPORT AND WHEN TO REMOVE 
THAT SUPPORT. 
IT WILL BE THE LIBERAL'S ATTEMPT
TO PUT FORWARD TO WHAT COULD BE 
VIEWED AS AN ELECTION PLATFORM, 
CERTAINLY. 
THEY WANT PARLIAMENT TO VOTE FOR
THAT THRONE SPEECH. 
IT'S A CONFIDENCE SPEECH, BUT 
WHEN THE LIBERALS WERE ELECTED 
ALMOST A YEAR AGO NOW, 10 MONTHS
AGO, IT WAS A DIFFERENT AGENDA, 
A DIFFERENT MANDATE BECAUSE OF 
COURSE WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT 
COVID-19 WAS GOING TO HIT. 
SO NOW THE GOVERNMENT IS LOOKING
FOR WAYS TO NOT ONLY RESET ITS 
AGENDA BUT ADJUST THE AGENDA TO 
THE REALITIES WE'RE ALL LIVING 
WITH PRIETH -- RIGHT NOW AND THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY HAS TO TAKE 
THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS THEY THINK 
ABOUT WHEN THE NEXT ELECTION MAY
BE AND WHAT THEY WOULD DO 
DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT WE SEE THE
LIBERALS DOING RIGHT NOW. 
I'M TOLD THAT CBC POLL ANALYST 
IS JOINING US NOW FROM HIS 
PLACE. 
HIGH, WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANY 
RESULTS FOR YOU TO ANALYSE. 
>> HI. 
THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
>> THAT'S OKAY. 
WE THINK WE'RE SOMEWHERE IN THE 
100s OF BALLOTS LAST WE HAVE 
HEARD TO BE TABULATED. 
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW QUICKLY 
THAT TAKES TO HAPPEN VERSUS 
GETTING ACTUAL RESULTS?
>> WELL, IT'S THE SAME SYSTEM 
THEY USED LAST TIME IN 2017 AND 
THAT SYSTEM WAS MORE OR LESS 
THAT IT TOOK IN ALL OF THE 
RESULTS, IT TOOK IN THE ROUND BY
ROUND VOTING AND IT WEIGHTED ALL
OF THE RIDINGS BASED ON THE 
RULES, AND THE NEXT ROUND OF 
VOTING WILL BE GIVEN TO THE 
PARTY. 
WE REMEMBER WHAT THEY DID IN 
2017. 
THEY DID THAT ROUND BY ROUND. 
AS SOON AS THEY'RE FINISHED, IT 
SHOULDN'T BE LONG TO GET THE 
RESULTS. 
>> OKAY, IT'S JUST LONG TO GET 
TO THAT POINT. 
[LAUGHTER]
>> UNFORTUNATELY. 
ALL RIGHT, I DID THE EXPLAINER 
AGAIN ABOUT THE POINT SYSTEM. 
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE RANKED 
BALLOT AGAIN. 
WHY IS THE PARTY SO COMMITTED TO
A RANKED BALLOT?
SOME PEOPLE THINK IT'S THE BEST 
THING UNDER THE SUN AND OTHER 
PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES WITH IT. 
WHAT DOES THE PARTY SEE OR MAYBE
YOU CAN EXPLAIN THE BENEFIT OF A
RANKED BALLOT FOR AN EXERCISE 
LIKE THIS ONE. 
>> WELL, IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO
THE CONVENTION. 
PEOPLE AT THE CONVENTION WOULD 
GET TO VOTE. 
IF NO ONE HAD A MAJORITY OF 
DELEGATE SUPPORTS, SOMEONE WOULD
DROP OFF. 
SO IT WOULD GIVE EVERY SINGLE 
MEMBER AN EQUAL VOTE. 
WHOEVER THE LEADER IS, AT LEAST 
THE MAJORITY OF MEMBERS FOUND 
THAT LEADER ACCEPTABLE. 
>> MAXIME BERNIER HAD 20% 
SUPPORT AMONG MEMBERS AND BY THE
END OF IT ANDREW SCHEER ENDED UP
WITH JUST UNDER 51%. 
SO AT LEAST ANDREW SURE COULD 
LOOK AT THOSE RESULTS AND WHAT 
ACTUALLY HAPPENED IS 16% OF 
PEOPLE THAT VOTED WERE EXHAUSTED
BY IT. 
THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG THINGS 
THAT COULD BE A FACTOR HERE. 
WE HEARD THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE 
THAT WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR DEREK 
SLOAN MIGHT NOT HAVE RANKED ERIN
O'TOOLE OR PETER MacKAY ANYWHERE
ON THEIR BALLOTS. 
SO AS SOON AS THE PEOPLE THAT 
YOU VOTED FOR DROPPED OFF, THAT 
BALLOT DISAPPEARS. 
>> SO YOU CAN CHOOSE FOUR, ONE, 
TWO, THREE, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO
FILL IN ALL FOUR SLOTS. 
WE TALKED ABOUT HOW IT'S 
POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE COULD HAVE
MORE VOTES, BUT STILL NOT WIN. 
EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS SOMETHING 
THAT COULD HAPPEN. 
>> YEAH, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE 
POINT SYSTEM WHICH GIVES EQUAL 
WEIGHT. 
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S 10 
MEMBERS OR 1,000 MEMBERS. 
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE 
ONTARIO P.C. LEADERSHIP RACE. 
CHRISTINE ELLIOT HAD MORE OF THE
VOTE THAN DOUG FORD, BUT DOUG 
FORD WON BECAUSE OF THE POINT 
SYSTEM. 
THE PERSON WHO HAS THE MOST 
POINT COULD NOT GET THE MOST 
POINTS. 
>> SO WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ERIN 
O'TOOLE NEEDS TO SHOW IN THE 
FIRST BALLOT?
LET'S GO THROUGH THE LIST. 
IF IT WAS GOING TO BE ERIN 
O'TOOLE, WHAT NUMBER DOES HE 
WANT TO SEE IN THAT FIRST BALLOT
THAT WOULD BE ENCOURAGING FOR 
HIM?
>> I THINK IT'S NOT NECESSARILY 
WHERE HE IS, BUT WHERE PETER 
MacKAY IS. 
IF HE'S NOT FAR BEHIND HIM, THEN
HE MIGHT CATCH UP. 
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SLOAN 
AND LEWIS NUMBER, YOU ADD THAT 
TO O'TOOLE AND YOU GET WELL OVER
50%, THAT'S PROBABLY GOOD NEWS 
FOR ERIN O'TOOLE IF INSTEAD YOU 
GET AROUND 50% OR JUST A LITTLE 
BIT ABOVE THAT. 
THAT MIGHT BE GOOD NEWS FOR 
PETER MacKAY. 
WE'RE EXPECTING A LOT OF THAT IF
THEY GET I ELIMINATED FIRST, 
WOULD GO TO ERIN O'TOOLE. 
SOME OF THEM WILL GO TO PETER 
MacKAY AS WELL. 
HE WILL BE ABLE TO BUILD UP A 
BIT OF SUPPORT, BUT YEAH, FOR 
ERIN O'TOOLE, IT'S ABOUT HOW 
CLOSE HE IS TO PETER MacKAY. 
>> AND FOR PETER MacKAY, HE HAD 
TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. 
HE HAD TO BE AROUND 45, IS WHAT 
YOU SAID LAST TIME. 
>> YEAH, ANYTHING OVER 40 GIVES 
HIM A CHANCE. 
THE CLOSER HE IS TO 50, THE 
BETTER. 
IF HE'S AT THE 41% MARK, WE 
COULD SEE A 50-51 THAT COULD BE 
WINNING. 
SAME THING FOR MAXIME BERNIER. 
HE ENDED UP LOSING BY 2 POINTS. 
>> AND WE ALL HAVE SAID IT. 
WHAT WOULD BE THE INDICATION 
THAT SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED AND 
IS PERHAPS LEADING?
>> YEAH, IF WE SEE ON THE FIRST 
BALLOT, IF SHE'S IN SECOND, I 
THINK WE CAN ASSUME SHE'LL END 
UP ON THE LAST BALLOT. 
IF SHE'S ON THIRD, YOU ADD THE 
DEREK SLOAN VOTE AND SHE GOES 
PAST WHO IS RANKED SECOND, THEN 
SHE WILL BE IN A GOOD SPOT TO 
END UP ON THAT BALLOT. 
IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE NUMBERS SHE
HITS BUT WHERE IN RELATION TO 
EVERYONE ELSE. 
THOSE ARE SOME OF THE BIG 
QUESTIONS. 
>> OKAY, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. 
I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE I
HAVE FOR YOU. 
I THINK I'M READY. 
I'M READY FOR SOME RESULTS. 
[LAUGHTER]
>> ERIC, THANK YOU. 
>> I THINK WE ALL ARE. 
>> THANK YOU FOR STAYING WITH US
AND WE'LL COME BACK AS WE GET 
SOME RESULTS, HOPEFULLY. 
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
THAT'S ÉRIC GRENIER. 
I WANT TO DIP BACK TO VASSY IF I
CAN. 
I THINK SHE HAS SOME NEWS ON 
WHERE WE MIGHT BE IN TERMS OF 
THE RESULTS. 
>> Reporter: I HAVE THREE 
CAMPAIGNS CONFIRMING THEY ARE 
HEARING FROM THE PARTY THAT 
THEY'RE JUST UNDER 100 BALLOTS 
LEFT TO GO. 
>> AMAZING. 
>> THAT SOUNDS LIKE IF WE 
STARTED AT 4,000, SOMEWHERE 
BETWEEN 3,000 TO 4,000, AND 
WE'RE GETTING TO 100, I DON'T 
WANT TO MAKE ANY PREDICTIONS, 
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE NEARING
THE END AT LEAST AND POINT IN 
WHICH WE MIGHT HAVE SOME 
TIMEFRAME LAID OUT FOR WHEN THE 
FIRST BALLOT WILL BE ANNOUNCED 
AND SUBSEQUENT BALLOTS. 
DAN NOLAN AND LISA RAITT, THE 
TWO CO-CHAIRS OF THE LEADERSHIP 
COMMITTEE HAVE MOVED ROOM 
BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING TIRED 
OF SITTING WHERE THEY WERE. 
WE CAN ALL EMPATHIZE WITH THE 
FEELING. 
THEY WILL BE POISED AT THAT 
POINT, ONCE THEY'RE ABLE TO 
DELIVER THE RESULTS, DELIVER 
THEM FROM THAT STAGE. 
STILL NO 15 MINUTE WARNING, BUT 
WE ARE HEARING FROM MULTIPLE 
CAMPAIGNS THAT THE FINAL 
STRETCH, THAT LAST 100 BALLOTS. 
THESE ARE THE BALLOTS THAT WOULD
HAVE BEEN -- THAT HAD TO BE 
REMADE, TAPED, RE-ENTERED 
THROUGH THE SYSTEM. 
THOSE ARE BEING COUNTED. 
I SHOULD SAY THAT THE SCRUT
SCRUTINIERS HAVE BEEN WATCHING 
THAT AS THAT HAPPENS TO VALIDATE
THE ACCURACY OF THOSE BALLOTS 
AND SIGN OFF SAYING I'M OKAY 
WITH THESE CHANGES. 
THAT'S A PAINSTAKING AND 
LENGTHY, MIGHT BE THE 
UNDERESTIMATE OF THE EVENING, 
LENGTHY PROCESS. 
>> YEAH, BUT AS WE'VE BEEN 
SAYING, IT IS CRITICALLY 
IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE KNOW THE 
LAST LEADERSHIP RACE, IT WAS 60 
BALLOTS BASICALLY THAT MADE THE 
DIFFERENCE. 
>> YEAH. 
>> THOSE 100 BALLOTS, THEY WON'T
BE FLYING THROUGH THOSE BECAUSE 
THEY'RE NEARING THE END. 
THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE
ALL THE VOTES AND EVERYTHING IS 
RANKED PROPERLY BECAUSE THAT 
COULD MAKE THE DIFFERENCE FOR 
SOMEONE HERE TONIGHT. 
IT'S A BIG DEAL. 
>> Reporter: YES, IT'S A HUGE 
DEAL. 
IT'S ALSO WHY THE SKRUT NEARS 
ROLE IS SO IMPORTANT. 
THEY WERE THERE FOR 12 HOURS, 
BUT NOW IT'S OVER 14 HOURS. 
THEY'RE LOCKED IN THE ROOMS 
DOING THAT. 
I THINK YOUR POINT IS A 
SIGNIFICANT ONE. 
THIS COULD COME DOWN TO VERY FEW
PEOPLE, SO WHILE WE'RE JOKING 
ABOUT THERE BE 100 AND THERE 
BEING THOUSANDS, ALL OF THOSE 
VOTES ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT 
BECAUSE OF THE WAY IN WHICH 
THINGS ARE CALCULATED AND IT 
COULD ACTUALLY MAKE THE 
DIFFERENCE BECAUSE OF THE RANK 
BALLOT SYSTEM AND THE WAY IN 
WHICH EACH RIDING IS WEIGHTED. 
IT IS PRETTY SERIOUS AND 
IMPORTANT THAT THEY GET IT RIGHT
AND THEY BE ACCURATE. 
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HEARING FROM SO
MANY PEOPLE IN THE PARTY THAT 
THEY'RE FRUSTRATED WITH HOW LONG
THIS IS TAKING BUT AT THE SAME 
TIME, THEY DON'T WANT TO 
SACRIFICE ANYTHING. 
THEY WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT AND 
THEY HAVE TO GET THIS RIGHT IN 
ORDER FOR THE RESULTS TO STAND 
UP, RIGHT?
>> YEP. 
LET ME JUST REMIND PEOPLE BEFORE
I GO TO CATHERINE THAT YOU ARE 
WATCHING SPECIAL COVERAGE ON CBC
NEWS NETWORK AND CBC TELEVISION 
OF THE CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP 
CONVENTION. 
IF YOU WERE HOPING TO SEE THE 
CANUCKS GAME, FEAR NOT. 
THERE ARE PLACES TO WATCH IT. 
YOU CAN GO TO www.CBCsports.ca. 
YOU CAN HAVE THAT SCREEN ON AND 
WATCH US AT THE SAME TIME. 
WE WILL JOIN THE GAME, IF THIS 
ENDS IN TIME. 
IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE GAME WILL
BE ONGOING. 
WE WILL KEEP YOU UP TO DATE. 
IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR HOCKEY, 
THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN FIND IT. 
IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR POLITICS, 
YOU COME TO THE RIGHT PLACE 
BECAUSE WE HAVE LOTS OF IT 
TONIGHT AS THE CONSERVATIVE 
PARTY WAITS TO FIND OUT WHO WILL
LEAD THE PARTY INTO THE NEXT 
ELECTION, WHO WILL BECOME ONLY 
THE THIRD PERMANENT LEADER EVER 
OF THIS PARTY. 
REMEMBER, THE PARTY WAS FORMED 
WITH A MERGER BETWEEN STEPHEN 
HARPER AND PETER MacKAY BACK IN 
2003. 
STEPHEN HARPER RAN THE PARTY FOR
THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT TIME 
AND ANDREW SCHEER CAME IN NEXT. 
AMBROSE WAS NOT A PERMANENT 
LEADER. 
THIS NEXT LEADER, THE THIRD 
PERMANENT LEADER IN THE PARTY'S 
HISTORY, A SIGNIFICANT MOMENT 
FOR THAT PERSON CERTAINLY AND 
ALSO FOR THE PARTY AND THE 
DIRECTION OF THE PARTY AS IT 
SEEKS TO FIND A WAY BACK TO 
POWER AND BACK TO FORMING 
GOVERNMENT. 
THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT THINGS FOR
CONSERVATIVES AND FOR ALL 
CANADIANS INTERESTED IN 
DEMOCRACY AND THE POLITICAL 
SCENE IN THIS COUNTRY. 
LET ME BRING BACK CATHERINE 
CULLEN NOW AS WE WAIT WITH THE 
EXCITING NEWS THAT WE'RE DOWN TO
LESS THAN 100 BALLOTS THAT HAVE 
TO BE LOOKED AT HERE. 
YOU CAN TELL ME ABOUT THAT TOO. 
>> SO WE HAVE A BIT OF TIME, 
IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE 
OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN. 
ALL OF US HAVE BEEN HEARING A 
PROSPECT THIS IS GOING TO BE A 
CLOSE RACE. 
WE WERE TALKING EARLIER IN THE 
SHOW ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF IT 
WAS A 49/51 SPLIT AND HOW THE 
PARTY ADDRESSES THAT. 
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PROSPECT 
THAT IT WON'T HAPPEN TOO. 
THIS COULD BE A BLOWOUT ON 
SOMEONE'S BEHALF. 
I THINK ONE FACTOR THAT WOULD 
PLAY INTO THIS. 
WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE --
I'LL CALL THE IT COMPLEXITY. 
I THINK YOU AND PHIL HAVE DONE A
GOOD JOB IN LAYING IT OUT. 
THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS 
VOTER TURNOUT. 
A RECORD NUMBER OF BALLOTS CAST 
IN THIS LEADERSHIP RACE, 
BREAKING THEIR OWN RECORD FOR 
ANY CANADIAN PARTY, 175,000 
BALLOTS CAST. 
WHAT DOES THAT DO TO VOTER 
TURNOUT?
IF YOU TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE 
PETER MacKAY AND THE ERIN 
O'TOOLE CAMPAIGN, THEY TALK 
ABOUT HOW IMPRESSIVE. 
THIS ISN'T JUST CAMPAIGN TEAM, 
BUT SUPPORTERS AROUND THEM, HOW 
IMPRESSIVE THEY BELIEVE THEIR 
CAMPS GET OUT THE VOTE EFFORT 
WAS. 
ERIN O'TOOLE TALKED ABOUT THE 
EXIT POLLING THEY DONE. 
THEY GOT A SIGNIFICANT CHUNK OF 
THE ELECTORATE. 
THE PEOPLE THAT RESPONDED TO 
THEM ARE LIKELY TO BE THEIR 
SUPPORTERS. 
THEY HAVE AN INCREDIBLY 
EFFICIENT VOTE. 
THEY INSIST THAT PETER MacKAY'S 
VOTE NOT AS EFFICIENT AND REALLY
THAT MATTERS A LOT IN RACES LIKE
THIS, PARTICULARLY IN WHERE THAT
VOTE IS. 
IF IT'S SOMEONE THAT'S A FAR 
FLUNG QUEBEC RIDING, THAT COULD 
MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND COULD BE A
BIG PART OF PUSHING YOU OVER THE
EDGE. 
SO ALL OF THAT REALLY ADDS TO 
THE SENSE THAT THIS IS 
UNPREDICTABLE. 
WE TALKED ABOUT THE FUNDRAISING 
NUMBERS FOR INSTANCE AND WHETHER
OR NOT THAT INDICATES MORE 
SUPPORT FOR HER THAN WE THOUGHT.
SO ALL OF THAT TO SAY WHO REALLY
KNOWS A CLOSE RACE IS WHAT 
PEOPLE ARE EXPECTING, BUT I 
THINK PEOPLE ARE PREPARED TO BE 
SURPRISED. 
>> YES, THAT IS A VERY GOOD 
REMINDER. 
WE REALLY AREN'T SURE ON HOW 
THIS IS GOING TO PLAY OUT. 
IT COULD BE CLOSE AND IT COULD 
BE OVER BEFORE WE KNOW IT. 
SO, THAT IS GOOD TO REMIND US 
ALL. 
THANK YOU FOR THAT CATHERINE. 
WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU AND VASSY
AND REMINDER IN TERMS OF WHAT 
ÉRIC GRENIER WAS SAYING EARLIER.
IF WE ARE GOING TO MULTIPLE 
BALLOTS, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT 
TO SEE THE SPACE BETWEEN EACH 
CANDIDATE. 
CATHERINE WANTS BACK. 
>> ONE OF THE TEAMS SAID THERE 
IS A 20 MINUTE WARNING. 
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN SEE THE 
LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL 
ROSEMARY. 
>> IT LOOKS LIKE AN 11:30 
EASTERN START. 
>> THAT'S IN ABOUT 15 MINUTES. 
WE'LL WAIT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. 
THANK YOU CATHERINE. 
THAT'S AN IMPORTANT STEP KNOWING
WHEN WE'RE GOING TO KNOW 
SOMETHING. 
I'LL TAKE IT. 
THAT GIVES US SOME TIME TO BRING
BACK OUR AT ISSUE PANEL. 
WE HAVE ABOUT 15 TO 20 MINUTES. 
I TOUCH WOOD ANY TIME I GIVE A 
DEADLINE. 
I'VE DONE IT ABOUT 15 TIMES. 
POTENTIALLY SOME RESULTS SOON. 
NOW I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE 
HEARING ANYTHING FROM THE 
VARIOUS CAMPS ON HOW PEOPLE ARE 
FEELING, WHETHER THEY THINK AS 
CATHERINE SAID, YOU KNOW, 
WHETHER ANYONE KNOWS ANYTHING 
ABOUT HOW TIGHT OR NOT THIS 
MIGHT BE. 
>> TRUTH BE TOLD ROSY, I WENT ON
A MAD RUN TO TRY TO FIND COFFEE.
THAT HAS BEEN MY FOCUS FOR THE 
LAST 20 MINUTES. 
[LAUGHTER]
>> THAT'S GOOD AND HONEST AND I 
APPRECIATE IT. 
>> NOW I'M CAFFEINATED. 
SO ACTUALLY I HAVE NO IDEA 
WHAT'S GOING ON. 
I HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED AT MY 
PHONE SINCE YOUR PRODUCER 
MESSAGED AND SAID THEY WANTED US
ON THE AIR. 
>> COME BACK ON. 
>> THE RESULTS HAVEN'T STARTED 
YET. 
>> YES, AND GO AHEAD, I CUT YOU 
OFF. 
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY WE 
HAVEN'T ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT 
WHAT WE THINK THE BALLOT 
QUESTION IS AND I THINK MAYBE WE
SHOULD DO THAT BEFORE WE 
ACTUALLY TALK. 
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY'RE 
THINKING ABOUT THESE DAYS AND 
HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT THEIR VOTE
HERE?
>> WELL, I THINK TOUCHING ON 
SOME OF THE DIFFERENT THEMES 
THAT WE SPOKEN ABOUT ALL 
EVENING, IT'S JUST THAT WE 
ACTUALLY DID SEE -- ALTHOUGH 
ERIN O'TOOLE AND PETER MacKAY, 
PEOPLE SAY THEY'RE NOT THAT 
DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER. 
THE CONSERVATIVES THEY ARE 
SPEAKING TO ARE DIFFERENT TYPES 
OF CONSERVATIVES. 
THE PETER MacKAY CAMPAIGN HAS 
TRIED VERY HARD TO MAKE THE CASE
THAT THEIR GUY IS THE MOST 
LIKELY PERSON TO BEAT JUSTIN 
TRUDEAU. 
THAT'S THE ARGUMENT THEY HAVE 
BEEN SPREADING THE PAVEMENT 
WITH. 
ERIN O'TOOLE'S ARGUMENT IS 
SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. 
HE CASTS HIMSELF AS BEING A GUY 
THAT CAN BRING THE CONSERVATIVES
TO POWER, THE CONSERVATIVES THAT
HE SPEAKS TO IS THE CONSERVATIVE
MEMBERSHIP, WHERE MR. MACKAY IS 
SPEAKING TO POTENTIAL 
CONSERVATIVE VOTERS AS WELL, SO 
THE AS -- ASPIRATIONAL ASPECT. 
>> INTERESTING BECAUSE IN A 
LEADERSHIP RACE, YOU DON'T 
NECESSARILY SPEND A LOT OF TIME 
WORRYING ABOUT WHAT THE REST OF 
THE COUNTRY IS GOING TO THINK OF
YOU. 
YOU DO THAT LATER. 
>> SO A GUY THAT LEFT POLITICS, 
DECIDED TO COME BACK AND TRY TO 
RECLAIM. 
MAYBE THAT'S THE WRONG LANGUAGE,
BUT COME BACK AND LEAD THE PARTY
THAT HE FOUNDED. 
HOW BIG A MOMENT IS THIS FOR HIM
AND HIS FUTURE, HIS POLITICAL 
FUTURE?
>> YEAH, IT'S MAKE OR BREAK. 
HE'S BEEN CAMPAIGNING FOR THIS 
FOR MOST OF HIS ADULT LIFE. 
THE TROUBLE IS YOU KNOW, IT'S 
ALWAYS TOUGH BEING A FRONT 
RUNNER IN THESE RACES UNLESS YOU
ARE SOLD UP. 
IF WHAT YOU'RE SELLING IS 
WINNABILITY, INEVITABLY, AND 
YOU'RE MAKING MISTAKES ON THE 
CAMPAIGN TRAIL AND PEOPLE HAVE 
DOUBTS ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE
INEVITABLE OR THE MOST WINNABLE 
CANDIDATE, THEN YOU KNOW, IT CAN
REALLY COME TO BITE YOU. 
SO THAT'S THE DANGER FOR HIM, 
THAT HE DIDN'T SEW THIS UP RIGHT
AWAY OR SO IT APPEARS, IN WHICH 
CASE SOME OF THE SECOND BALLOT 
SUPPORT MAY WELL BLEED TOWARDS 
ERIN O'TOOLE AND HE'S IN A LOT 
OF TROUBLE. 
SO FRONT RUNNER CAMPAIGNS ARE 
ALWAYS DIFFICULT TO RUN UNLESS 
YOU HAVE THE THING SEWN UP 
BECAUSE YOU BECOME TOO CAUTIOUS 
AND YOU DON'T GIVE PEOPLE ENOUGH
REASON AND ENERGY TO VOTE FOR 
YOU. 
>> AND IT'S WORTH REMEMBERING 
THAT PETER MacKAY, BEFORE HE 
ENTERED THE RACE, OFFICIALLY HE 
WAS GIVING A TALK. 
I BELIEVE IT WAS DOWN IN THE 
STATES WHERE HE WAS ASKED ABOUT 
THE RESULTS AND ANDREW SCHEER'S 
PERFORMANCE AND HE SAID THAT AND
DRY -- ANDREW SCHEER'S VIEW ON 
ABORTION HUNG AROUND HIS NECK 
LIKE AN ALBATROSS. 
IT WAS APPARENT TO EVERYONE THAT
HE WAS GOING TO RUN IN THE RACE.
SEAN -- I WONDER IF HE CAN'T 
PULL THIS OFF TONIGHT, HE MAY 
HAVE JUMPED THE GUN IN HIS 
CRITICISM OF ANDREW SCHEER. 
>> I DON'T THINK THAT MATTERS 
AND WHAT MATTERS A LOT MORE IS 
THE FACT THAT JASON KENNEY, WHO 
HAS QUITE INFLUENCE WITH HIM, 
ACTUALLY PUTS ERIN O'TOOLE'S 
CAMPAIGN ON THE MAP WHEN HE 
ANNOUNCED HE WAS BACKING HIM. 
WHILE I'M SURE THAT MR. KENNEY 
BACKS ERIN O'TOOLE FOR ALL KINDS
OF POSITIVE REASONS, IT'S NOT 
THE SECRET THAT HE WAS LOOKING 
FOR. 
SO THERE ARE FORCES AT PLAY THAT
GOES BEYOND WHAT PETER MacKAY 
SAYS IN WASHINGTON OR ELSEWHERE 
ABOUT THE ALBATROSS. 
I ALSO THINK THAT THOSE FIRST 
BALLOT RESULTS AND ANDREW IS 
RIGHT. 
IF HE CAN PULL IT OFF AND COME 
OUT STRONGLY ON THE FIRST 
BALLOT, IT WON'T MATTER. 
WHERE THOSE COMMENTS WILL MATTER
MORE IS IF HE STARTS NEEDING 
SECOND BALLOT SUPPORT TO MAKE 
IT. 
DAN HAS TO TRY TO DRAW THAT FROM
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES BACKERS 
THAT WILL GO TO HIM. 
>> LET ME ASK ALL THREE OF YOU, 
IF PETER MacKAY IS NOT LEADER 
TONIGHT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR
THE PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVES OF
THAT PARTY?
IS IT A SIGNAL IN SOME WAY?
IS IT THE END OF THAT FACTION OF
THE PARTY?
IS THERE ANYTHING WE SHOULD READ
INTO AROUND THAT?
>> NOW, I'M JUST HEARING A LIST 
OF PEOPLE SAYING THEY'RE PETER 
MacKAY AND ERIN O'TOOLE ARE NOT 
THAT DIFFERENT. 
IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR ME TO 
SAY THAT IF PETER MacKAY LOSES, 
THE PROGRESSIVE SIDE OF THE 
CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT IS GONE AS
BEING CHASED OFF, IN THE SAME 
WAY THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE SAID 
THAT BECAUSE MICHAEL CHUNG 
DIDN'T GO THAT FAR IN THE LAST 
LEADERSHIP CAMPAIGN. 
IT WILL BE PUTTING A LOT ON 
PETER MacKAY'S SHOULDER TO SAY 
HE'S THE LAST PROGRESSIVE 
CONSERVATIVE STANDING AND HE IS 
ABOUT TO BE KNOCKED OFF. 
>> BUT IT IS PART OF THE WAY 
THAT ERIN O'TOOLE HAS FRAMED 
THINGS, OBVIOUSLY, CALLING 
HIMSELF THE TRUE BLUE 
CONSERVATIVE, SUGGESTING THAT 
PETER MacKAY IS NOT THAT. 
BUT IF THE POLICY DECISIONS ARE 
SIMILAR -- I GUESS I'M WONDERING
IF THE FOUNDATIONAL PART OF THE 
PARTY, THE PROGRESSIVE 
CONSERVATIVES REFORM PARTY HAS 
CHANGED OR EVAPORATED A LITTLE 
BIT, IF WE SEE PETER MacKAY LOSE
TONIGHT. 
MAYBE THAT'S NOT FAIR, BUT IT'S 
SOMETHING TO ASK ABOUT, I GUESS.
>> YEAH, NO, IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE 
I ASKED PETER MacKAY'S CO-CHAIR 
AND THE CO-CHAIR WITH THE CAUCUS
TEAM THAT VERY QUESTION EARLIER 
THIS WEEK. 
IF MR. McKAY WINS, DOES THAT 
MEAN THE PARTIES ARE OFFICIALLY 
MERGED?
IF HE LOSES THAT MEANS THE PARTY
IS NOT MERGED?
HE SAID NO, NO. 
ACTUALLY, I DO THINK THAT WHEN 
YOU LOOK AT THE FORMER P.C. 
MEMBERS WHO ARE PART OF THE 
CONSERVATIVE CAUCUS AND WHO THEY
SUPPORTED, THERE IS NO NEAT 
BREAK DOWN. 
IN FACT, PETER MacKAY'S TEAM 
INCLUDES A LOT OF SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVES. 
SO, THOSE OLD P.C.s, YOU KNOW, 
SCOTT BRISON, THEY ALREADY WENT,
BILL CASEY RAN FOR THE LIBERALS.
THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE THINKING 
ABOUT FROM 2003 HAVE ALREADY 
JUMPED THE SHIP. 
THIS IS A NEW CONSERVATIVE PARTY
AND I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT 
EXCEPT FOR THAT BATTLE BETWEEN 
KENNEY AND MACKAY YOU HAVE, THAT
BATTLE HAS NOT REALLY BEEN PART 
OF THE INTERNAL CAUCUS DYNAMICS.
THIS IS A NEW CONSERVATIVE 
PARTY. 
>> I WOULD AGREE. 
ANDREW, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE 
ARE NOW PAST ANY REMANENCE OF 
THAT DIVISION -- BECAUSE 
CONSERVATIVES THEMSELVES WOULD 
SAY ALL THE TIME THAT THEY 
WORRY. 
THAT'S ALL THEY TALKED ABOUT 
TONIGHT, WHICH IS SHOWING UNITY 
AFTER THIS. 
THERE ARE CONSERVATIVES WHO ARE 
WORRIED ABOUT OLD SPLITS, EVEN 
IF WE DON'T REALLY SEE THEM IN 
ANY PUBLIC WAY. 
ANDREW. 
>> I'M MORE WORRIED FROM THEIR 
PERSPECTIVE ABOUT NEW SPLITS. 
SOME OF THE NEW TENSIONS THAT 
HAVE BEEN REVEALED IN THE 
COUNTRY AND IN THE PARTY AS A 
RESULT OF YOU KNOW, THESEVERY 
TOUGH DECISIONS WE'RE HAVING TO 
MAKE ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE VERSUS
ENERGY DEVELOPMENT. 
THESE ARE MUCH MORE SEVERE 
STRAINS. 
IT WILL PLAY OUT IN OUR 
POLITICS. 
I DON'T THINK THE PARTY IS IN 
THAT KIND OF DIVIDED STATE. 
I THINK MOST OF THOSE DIVISIONS 
HAVE BEEN BASICALLY HEALED OVER.
SO, TO COME BACK TO YOUR POINT 
ABOUT O'TOOLE VERSUS MACKAY, 
THEY ARE SIMILAR. 
ERIN O'TOOLE KIND OF REFASHIONED
HIMSELF FOR THE CAMPAIGN. 
HE GAVE HIMSELF A NEW COAT OF 
BLUE PAINT. 
I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW 
POLITICS, BUT FOR LOW 
INFORMATION VOTERS, IT MAY 
POSITION HIM CLOSER TO THE 
CENTRE OF GRAVITY OF THE PARTY 
WHERE HE HAS MORE APPEAL TO THE 
TRUE BLUE CONSERVATIVES AND NOT 
LOSING TOUCH WITH THE CENTRE 
GROUND OF CANADIAN POLITICS. 
FROM THAT, IT MAY BETTER 
POSITION HIM TO TRY AND MAKE 
WHAT I IMAGINE THE PARTY WANTS 
TO DO, TO MAKE THAT APPEAL TO 
THE CENTRE GROUND VOTERS, TO 
SWITCH BETWEEN THE CONSERVATIVES
AND THE LIBERALS IN THE GENERAL 
ELECTION. 
HE WILL BE ABLE TO HOLD THE 
PARTY WITH HIM, WHERE THERE MAY 
BE MISTRUST BETWEEN A LOT OF THE
HARDCORE CONSERVATIVES. 
>> YEAH, IT'S ALSO WORTH 
REMINDING PEOPLE. 
I HAVEN'T SAID IT ALL NIGHT, BUT
MR. O'TOOLE PLACED THIRD IN THE 
LAST CAMPAIGN, IN 2017. 
WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE
LIKE HIM AND THOUGHT HE COULD BE
LEADER. 
IT'S A DIFFERENT FIELD THIS 
TIME, BUT HE DID GIVE IT A REAL 
SHOT BACK IN 2017 AS WELL. 
MAYBE I'LL JUST ASK YOU THAT 
QUESTION AS WELL AND CHANTAL, 
THE FOUNDATIONAL PARTIES THAT 
MADE THIS NEW PARTY ARE NO 
LONGER AND WE ARE REALLY IN A 
PHASE OF A CONSERVATIVE PARTY 
THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
THOSE OLD DIVISIONS. 
>> I AGREE WITH ANDREW THAT THE 
DIVISIONS THEY MAY FACE ARE 
SIGNIFICANT BUT VERY DIFFERENT. 
I THINK THE LEVEL OF COMFORT -- 
THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE PARTY 
THAT DOESN'T DO WELL IN QUEBEC, 
BUT WHERE IT DOES WELL IS IN 
FRANCOPHONE QUEBEC. 
THE QUEBEC MEMBERS WHO ARE 
MEMBERS OF THE CAUCUS, BY ALL 
ACCOUNTS, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR THEM
ON RADIO TV BEING COMFORTABLE 
BEING IN THE PARTY. 
THAT WOULD SPEAK TO THE FACT 
THAT THE PARTY PUT THOSE 
DIFFERENCES BEHIND THEM. 
YOU DO NOT GET -- YOU HEAR 
QUEBEC MEMBERS SAYING THIS OR 
THAT AND THEY MAY HAVE DIFFERENT
TAKES ON PIPELINES, FOR 
INSTANCE, BUT IT'S NOT A -- YOU 
KNOW, OUR PARTY IS DIFFICULT ON 
QUEBEC. 
THESE ISSUES OR THESE FAULT 
LINES DO NOT SURFACE IN THE SAME
WAY. 
>> WELL, THAT IS SURPRISING AND 
IMPRESSIVE, I SUPPOSE FOR THE 
PARTY GIVEN THAT THEIR BASE 
REMAINS IN ALBERTA AND 
SASKATCHEWAN. 
THERE'S ONLY ONE OTHER SEAT TO 
ANOTHER PARTY IN ALBERTA AND 
THEY ONLY HAVE 10 SEATS IN 
QUEBEC. 
SO THE FACT THAT IT HASN'T 
BROKEN DOWN LIKE THAT THROUGH 
REGIONAL LINES AND THERE HASN'T 
BEEN REGIONAL ACT MOAN ANY 
INSIDE THE PARTY IS TO THEIR 
CREDIT I GUESS. 
>> WELL, YOU CAN ARGUE THAT A 
CONSERVATIVE PARTY THAT THIS 
NATIONAL IN SCOPE IS IMPORTANT 
IN NATIONAL UNITY AS THE 
LIBERALS THINK THEY ARE. 
>> YOU COULD ARGUE THAT. 
SURE. 
[LAUGHTER]
>> YOU COULD. 
>> OKAY, I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT 
ALL THERE. 
I'M GOING TO LET ALTHEA GET MORE
COFFEE SO WE'RE READY WHEN WE 
GET RESULTS AND I'LL COME BACK 
TO YOU. 
THANK YOU, AT ISSUES STANDING BY
FOR RESULTS AND ANALYSIS WHEN WE
HAVE SOME. 
OKAY, HERE IS SOME BREAKING 
NEWS. 
WE HAVE A 15 MINUTE WARNING. 
I'M TOLD BY OUR PRODUCER ON THE 
GROUND THERE WITH HANNAH. 
15 MINUTE WARNING BEFORE THE 
FIRST ROUND RESULTS. 
THAT BRINGS US TO AROUND 11:45 
EASTERN, WHICH IS WHEN WE WILL 
GET THE FIRST BALLOT RESULTS. 
AGAIN, THE MAGIC NUMBER BECAUSE 
THIS IS A POINT SYSTEM, 100 
POINTS PER RIDING, 338 RIDINGS 
IN THIS COUNTRY, AND THE MAGIC 
NUMBER WE WILL BE WATCHING FOR, 
FOR SOMEONE TO REACH AT SOME 
POINT IS 16,901. 
IF SOMEONE GETS THAT ON THE 
FIRST ROUND, THE PARTY IS OVER. 
IF NOT, WE WILL GO FOR TWO MORE 
ROUNDS OR UNTIL SOMEONE REACHES 
THAT NUMBER. 
SO 15 MINUTES TIME IF YOU ARE 
TUNING IN TO CBC TELEVISION OR 
CBC NEWS NETWORK. 
WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT THE 
CONSERVATIVE PARTY LEADER VERY, 
VERY SOON. 
IT'S BEEN MANY HOURS BUT WE ARE 
GOING TO GET SOME ANSWERS TO 
WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT 
THROUGHOUT THIS EVENING. 
IF YOU HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR 
HOCKEY, LET ME REASSURE YOU THAT
YOU CAN SEE IT AT CBCSPORTS.CA 
OR SPORTSNET 360. 
IF WE FINISH HERE AND THE HOCKEY
GAME IS STILL GOING. 
WE WILL BRING YOU THAT HERE ON 
CBC TELEVISION. 
IS A SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE, BUT 
SHE REALLY ALSO CONSIDERS 
HERSELF A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE, 
SO SHE WAS ABLE TO PRESENT 
HERSELF THAT WAY, AND PEOPLE 
WERE REALLY PAYING ATTENTION.
YOU COULD TELL BECAUSE SHE 
RAISED $2 MILLION.
THAT'S A BIG CHUNK OF CASH, AND 
THEN FINALLY THAT WE'RE LOOKING 
AT POTENTIALLY IN FOURTH PLACE 
IS DEREK SLOAN, AND TAKE A LOOK 
AT HIS NUMBERS.
DOES HE GET PAST THAT 11% 
THRESHOLD?
I KNOW ERIC CAN EXPLAIN THESE 
NUMBERS WAY BETTER THAN I CAN, 
BUT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT 
FIRST BALLOT, WHO'S IN FIRST 
PLACE, AND CAN THEY MAINTAIN TA 
FIRST PLACE ON THAT BALLOT?
SO WE'RE STARTING TO GET A 
LITTLE BIT MORE EXCITED DOWN 
HERE, STARTING TO THINK ABOUT 
WHAT THOSE BALLOTS COULD 
POTENTIALLY MEAN, AND HOPEFULLY 
WE CAN FORGET ABOUT ALL THIS 
LONG WAIT AND GET ON WITH WHO 
WILL BECOME THE NEXT LEADER OF 
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, THANK YOU FOR
THAT, HANNAH.
YOU'RE EXCITED.
THAT'S GOOD.
THAT'S WHY WE KEEP YOU DOWN 
THERE.
FULL OF ENERGY.
>> I'M TRYING TO KEEP YOU GOOD.
>> Rosemary: THAT'S GOOD.
I'M EXCITED, 15 MINUTES WE'RE 
GOING TO KNOW SOMETHING.
AS WE HEARD FROM ERIC, OBVIOUSLY
IT MATTERS WHERE YOU RANK IN 
THOSE INITIAL RESULTS, VASSY, 
BUT THE BIG THING THAT 
CANDIDATES WOULD BE LOOKING FOR 
IF THEY DON'T CLINCH THE 
MAJORITY IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN
ONE ANOTHER, HOW FAR APART ARE 
PEOPLE, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS 
AN IMPORTANT REMINDER FROM ERIC 
IN TERMS OF WHAT WE SHOULD LOOK 
FOR, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT 
PERCENTAGE PEOPLE HAVE BUT HOW 
FAR APART THEY ARE AND WHAT THAT
COULD TELL US ABOUT THE SECOND 
BALLOT, IF ONE IS NEEDED. 
>> Vassy: YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A
REALLY GOOD POINT TOO.
THE DISTANCE THERE WILL BE 
CRUCIAL TO FIGURING OUT I GUESS 
HOW CLOSE ON THE HEELS OF EACH 
OTHER THEY ARE, AND AS WELL I 
THINK BOTH HANNAH AND ERIC 
OUTLINED THE THOUGHT IF THIS 
PERSON IS DOING WELL, WHO MIGHT 
THEIR SECOND OR THIRD CHOICE 
MIGHT BE.
HOW FAR BELOW IS FOURTH PLACE, 
FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE FIRST 
BALLOT, AND WE CIRCLE BACK 
AROUND TO THE SECOND AND 
POTENTIALLY THE THIRD, I DON'T 
KNOW.
WE SHALL SEE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE GOOD NEWS, 
AND I THINK THIS IS JUST FOR 
PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING 
ALONGSIDE WITH US, THAT WE WON'T
BE LOOKING AT, LIKE, A DRAWN-OUT
REVIEW, WHICH WE HAD ORIGINALLY 
ANTICIPATED OF THOSE BALLOTS.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL GET THE 
FIRST BALLOT RESULTS ON A 
REGIONAL BASIS, AND THEN WE'RE 
GOING TO HEAR WHAT THE -- SORT 
OF GET THE TALLY OF THEM ALL, 
AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHERE THINGS 
STAND AT THAT POINT.
WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING, AS 
ERIC POINTS OUT, AT THE 
DISTANCE, BUT ALSO THE ACTUAL 
NUMBERS BEHIND EACH OF THE 
CANDIDATES, AND THEN VERY 
SHORTLY THEREAFTER IT LOOKS LIKE
THE TWO INDIVIDUALS UP ON THE 
STAGE RIGHT NOW, LISA RAITT AS 
ONE OF THEM, WILL BE THE ONES TO
DELIVER THE NEWS AROUND THE 
SECOND BALLOT AND THE THIRD 
BALLOT IF NEEDED AS WELL.
DEFINITELY DEPENDS ON WHO YOU'RE
TALKING TO.
I FEEL LIKE THE CAMPAIGNS HAVE 
TOTALLY SORT OF MORPHED INTO A 
CONVERSATION MOST OF THE TIME 
OVER THE PAST FEW HOURS OVER 
THIS GLITCH AND OVER THESE 
TECHNICAL ISSUES, BUT PRIOR 
TO -- I MEAN, ERIN O'TOOLE'S 
CAMPAIGN CERTAINLY THE MOST 
CONFIDENT I THINK IT'S FAIR TO 
SAY THAT THEY HAVE SECURED SOME,
SOMETHING BASED ON THEIR EXIT 
POLLING.
MacKAY TEAM, A LITTLE MORE 
NERVOUS FROM MY CONVERSATIONS 
THAN THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN A FEW 
DAYS AGO THANKS TO THEIR LATE 
FUNDRAISING PUSH WHEN THEY FELT 
HAD GIVEN THEM A LOT OF 
MOMENTUM.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RAW DATA 
THAT ERIN O'TOOLE'S CAMPAIGN 
DOES, OR BASED ON THEIR EXIT 
POLLING, THAT THAT CAMPAIGN DOES
TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM THE 
CONFIDENCE TO PROJECT WHAT THEY 
ARE PROJECTING.
I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE GOTTEN AWAY 
FROM ALL OF THAT GIVEN THESE 
TECHNICAL ISSUES, BUT CERTAINLY 
THOSE WERE MY CONVERSATIONS 
LEADING INTO THIS EVENING'S 
COVERAGE, AND SO NOW WE'RE 
THANKFULLY NOT TOO LONG AWAY 
FROM FINDING OUT IF THAT KIND OF
STUFF COMES TO FRUITION.
>> Rosemary: RIGHT.
AND PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW AS WELL 
THAT WE WOULD EXPECT, AND I 
THINK THIS WOULD STILL HAPPEN, A
SPEECH, CERTAINLY, FROM THE NEW 
LEADER ONCE WE GET ONE.
THERE WAS THE POSSIBILITY OF A 
PRESS CONFERENCE -- I DON'T 
THINK THERE WAS A HIGH 
EXPECTATION THAT THAT WOULD 
HAPPEN, AND I WOULD IMAGINE 
GIVEN THE LATE HOUR IT MIGHT 
NOT, BUT THERE WILL CERTAINLY BE
A SPEECH TO PARTY MEMBERS AND TO
THE COUNTRY, TO PEOPLE WATCHING 
WITH EVERYONE SEEMS TO AGREE 
SOME SORT OF UNIFYING MESSAGE, 
AND PERHAPS SOME SENSE OF 
POSITIONS AND SORT OF WHERE THE 
LEADER WANTS TO TAKE THE PARTY.
SO THAT TOO WILL HAPPEN ALL -- 
THIS IS ALL GOING TO HAPPEN VERY
QUICKLY.
THE NEWS BUSINESS IS ALSO ONE 
WHERE -- WHERE OFTEN, EXCUSE ME,
OFTEN ONE WHERE YOU HURRY UP AND
WAIT, AND SO THAT IS WHERE WE'RE
AT NOW.
WE'RE AT THE END OF THE WAITING 
AND THE ALMOST HURRY UP PART, 
AND THINGS WILL UNFOLD PRETTY 
QUICKLY.
AS VASSY POINTED OUT, YOU CAN 
SEE THERE THE CO-CHAIRS OF THE 
LEADERSHIP CAMPAIGN, LISA RAITT 
AND DAN NOLAN WILL BE THE ONES 
LEADING THIS ON BEHALF OF THE 
CONSERVATIVE PARTY AS WE FIND 
OUT RESULTS.
I'LL BRING IN CATHERINE FOR A 
THOUGHT HERE AS WE WAIT NOW 
MAYBE 10 MINUTES, MAYBE, MAYBE 
LESS, TO HEAR SOME RESULTS.
>> Catherine: YEAH, I UNDERSTAND
THE PARTY HAS ALL THE VICTORY 
SPEECHES, RIGHT?
IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF WHICH 
ONE GETS LOADED INTO THE 
TELEPROMPTER.
>> Rosemary: VERY GOOD.
>> Catherine: AND SO YOU KNOW, 
THIS IS IT.
THIS IS THE MOMENT THAT 
CANDIDATES HAVE SPENT -- I MEAN,
WE CAN SAY THE EIGHT MONTHS OF 
THIS CAMPAIGN, CERTAINLY LONGER 
THAN EXPECTED BECAUSE OF THE 
PANDEMIC, FOLKS MAY RECALL THAT 
IT GOT PUT ON PAUSE AT SOME 
POINT, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT 
PARTICULARLY THE TWO 
FRONTRUNNERS, I MEAN, LISTEN, 
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT MORE 
THAN EIGHT MONTHS, ERIN O'TOOLE 
HAD RUN IN 2017.
VASSY DID GREAT PROFILES OF THE 
CANDIDATES IN THE PAST WEEK OR 
TWO, AND THE ONE OF PETER 
MacKAY, IT USED A CLIP THAT I 
THINK EVEN PREDATES 2003, AT 
LEAST THAT OLD, WHERE HE TALKS 
ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NEVER SAY NEVER
TO LEADERSHIP, RIGHT?
SO THIS IS A MOMENT THAT IS IN 
SOME CASES ALMOST DECADES IN THE
MAKING IN TERMS OF THE POLITICAL
ASPIRATIONS OF SOME OF THESE 
CANDIDATES.
THEY HAVE WRITTEN THEIR VICTORY 
SPEECH.
THEY HAVE REALLY BEEN PUT 
THROUGH THE WRINGER IN TERMS OF 
THE SUSPENSE THIS EVENING WITH 
ALL THIS QUESTION AROUND CAN YOU
BELIEVE IT, THE SIZE OF THE 
ENVELOPES CAUSING PROBLEMS IN 
THE RESULTS BEING DETERMINED, 
AND NOW WE'VE GOT THIS 15-MINUTE
WARNING.
WE'RE ALMOST THERE.
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE 
OF UNIFYING MESSAGE.
IN SOME WAYS, WHICHEVER SPEECH 
WE HEAR, TWO AUDIENCES.
A UNIFYING MESSAGE TO 
CONSERVATIVES AND ALSO REACHING 
OUT TO BROADER CANADIANS, RIGHT?
THAT POSITIONING OF WHO YOU'RE 
GOING TO BE, BUT ALSO THE NEW 
LEADER SAYING I AM HERE TO SPEAK
TO YOU.
THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO 
JUSTIN TRUDEAU.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF ERIN O'TOOLE'S 
SUPPORTERS, I SAID WHAT DOES IT 
MEAN IF ERIN O'TOOLE WINS?
THIS PERSON SAID TO ME IT SAYS 
THAT THE PARTY WAS INTERESTED IN
HAVING ITS CORE VALUES AFFIRMED,
AND IT WANTED TO HEAR FROM 
SOMEBODY WHO SAID, YES, THIS IS 
WHAT IT IS TO BE CONSERVATIVE.
I WILL PROTECT THAT.
WHEREAS PETER MacKAY, IN THIS 
PERSON'S ESTIMATION, AND TAKE 
INTO ACCOUNT THAT THIS PERSON IS
COMING FROM THE O'TOOLE 
PERSPECTIVE, YES, WANTS TO 
BROADEN THE TENT, BUT IF THOSE 
PEOPLE AREN'T IN THE TENT YET, 
HOW CAN YOU GET THEIR SUPPORT IN
A LEADERSHIP RACE?
SO IT REALLY WILL I THINK TO 
SOME EXTENT BE A CLASH, AS WE'VE
BEEN TALKING ALL NIGHT, OF THAT 
SORT OF CHIPPIER, FEISTIER VIEW,
TONE THAT WAS PUT FORWARD BY 
ERIN O'TOOLE VERSUS PETER 
MacKAY'S SORT OF MORE GRANDER 
UNIFIED BUILD MESSAGE, BUT THEN 
THE QUESTION BECOMES TO WHAT 
EXTENT DOES THAT MESSAGE STAY 
THE SAME OR BE MODERATED AS THEY
TRY TO SPEAK TO A BROADER 
AUDIENCE.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, I THINK 
THAT'S IMPORTANT POINT, BECAUSE 
FOR ALL THE KUDOS OF VARIOUS 
CONSERVATIVES TONIGHT OVER THE 
COURSE OF MANY HOURS GAVE TO 
ANDREW SCHEER FOR HIS WORK, AS 
LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL 
OPPOSITION, EVEN AFTER HE 
ANNOUNCED THAT HE WOULD LEAVE, 
WHICH WAS BACK IN DECEMBER, AND 
HE DID, YOU KNOW, WORK HARD AND 
EFFECTIVELY IN THAT ROLE, IT IS 
DIFFERENT TO BE THE LEADER WHO 
IS NOW PUTTING FORTH A VISION.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ANDREW 
SCHEER BY VIRTUE OF BEING ON HIS
WAY OUT COULD NOT DO.
HE COULD NOT SORT OF PAINT INTO 
A CORNER ANY OF THE CANDIDATES 
WHO ARE NOW LITERALLY WAITING IN
THE WINGS.
SO YOU KNOW, THAT IS PROBABLY 
SOMETHING CONSERVATIVES ARE 
HUNGRY TO HEAR BECAUSE THEY 
HAVEN'T HEARD IT IN SOME TIME, 
AND IT'S SOMETHING CANADIANS 
WRIT LARGE MIGHT WANT TO HEAR OF
TOO.
HE MIGHT WANT TO HEAR A 
DIFFERENT -- THEY MIGHT WANT TO 
HEAR A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND
A NEW PERSPECTIVE AND A FRESH 
VOICE, AND YOU'RE RIGHT.
THIS WILL BE AN IMPORTANT MOMENT
FOR THOSE CANDIDATES, THE 
CANDIDATES, THE NEW LEADER TO 
PRESENT THEMSELVES IN SOME WAY 
TO CANADIANS TONIGHT, EVEN IF 
THEY DON'T FLESH OUT -- I MEAN, 
I'M NOT EXPECTING THEM TO FLESH 
OUT EVERY POLICY PLANK THAT THEY
WOULD HAVE DURING AN ELECTION, 
BUT SOME SORT OF INSPIRATIONAL 
VISIONARY KIND OF SPEECH ABOUT 
WHERE THEY SEE THE CONSERVATIVE 
PARTY GOING AND THE COUNTRY 
GOING AT A DEFINING MOMENT TOO.
>> Catherine: I WAS GOING TO SAY
THE THING ABOUT VISION IS THAT 
IT'S A CATCH-ALL, RIGHT?
SO FOR DIFFERENT CONSERVATIVE 
PARTY MEMBERS IT COULD MEAN 
DIFFERENT THINGS.
I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON SOME VERY
GOOD POINTS THERE.
>> Rosemary: AS WE ALL DID.
THANK YOU, VASSY, HANNAH AND 
CATHERINE.
I DO WANT TO TELL PEOPLE THAT WE
ARE STANDING BY NOW.
YOU CAN SEE MORE PEOPLE SORT OF 
GATHERING.
THAT'S ANDREW SCHEER AND HIS 
WIFE JILL GATHERING TO CHAT WITH
THE CO-CHAIRS.
THEY ARE JUST SORT OF HANGING 
OUT.
I IMAGINE THEY TOO WANT TO SEE 
THE RESULTS, AND ANDREW SCHEER 
WILL CERTAINLY HAVE A HANDSHAKE 
FOR THE PERSON WHO IS NAMED HIS 
SUCCESSOR, WHICH WE EXPECT TO 
HAPPEN WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE TO 
TEN MINUTES.
THEY SAID 15 MINUTES, BUT IF 
TONIGHT HAS TAUGHT US ANYTHING, 
IT'S THAT THIS IS REALLY A 
MOVING TARGET IN TERMS OF WHEN 
THIS WILL HAPPEN.
CERTAINLY THE PARTY KNOWS THAT 
THEY ARE -- YOU KNOW, WE ARE 
GETTING CLOSE TO MIDNIGHT HERE, 
AND IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET SOME
RESULTS BEFORE THE DAY IS 
OFFICIALLY OVER HEAR ON CBC 
TELEVISION AND "CBC NEWS 
NETWORK" AND cbc.ca.
ALL OF THIS WILL COME TO YOU 
LIVE STREAMING UNTIL WE GET 
RESULTS, AND AFTER FOR LOTS OF 
ANALYSIS TODAY AND TOMORROW AND 
IN THE MANY DAYS AHEAD.
AS WE WAIT FOR SOME RESULTS, LET
ME BRING BACK CORY ONE MORE TIME
BEFORE THOSE RESULTS, HOPEFULLY,
TO SEE IF HE'S HEARING ANYTHING.
WE'RE GOING TO FIND SOMETHING 
OUT, CORY, SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS. 
>> YEAH, NO, WE ARE.
AS LONG AS THIS HAS BEEN, I'M 
READY.
I'M SURE EVERYONE'S READY.
[LAUGHTER]
BUT I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE GOOD 
TO CHAT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW 
WE BRING THINGS TOGETHER AND 
WHAT THE NEXT CHALLENGE IS.
>> Rosemary: YES, PLEASE DO.
>> BECAUSE AS THE NUMBER OF 
VOTES NEEDED ARE NOT CONTAINED 
IN THAT ROOM OR IN THAT VOTING 
POOL, AS LARGE AS IT WAS, YOU 
KNOW, OTHER THAN 75,000 PEOPLE, 
IT'S A HUGE NUMBER, BUT WE HAVE 
TO REMEMBER THE CONSERVATIVE 
PARTY IS AT LEAST A MILLION 
VOTES SHORT OF WHAT IT NEEDS TO 
FORM A MAJORITY GOVERNMENT, AND 
THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE MISSION 
IS.
AND HOW THAT LOOKS, YOU KNOW, 
THE FOCUS IS GOING TO TURN FROM 
THIS INWARD LOOKING 
INTROSPECTIVE CONSERVATIVE PARTY
EXPERIENCE THAT WE'VE HAD FOR 
THE LEADERSHIP AND IT'S GOING TO
SHIFT TO TRYING TO CREATE A 
WINNING VOTING COALITION, AND WE
HAVEN'T GOTTEN A LOT OF BIG 
CLUES FROM THESE CANDIDATES IN 
TERMS OF HOW THEY WANT TO CHANGE
THE NATURE OF THE CONSERVATIVE 
PARTY TO BROADEN THAT APPEAL, 
AND THAT REQUIRES YOU TO KEEP 
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY 
VOTING FOR YOU, BUT TO EXPAND 
THAT BASE BY A SUBSTANTIAL 
INCREMENT.
AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE I 
THINK THERE'S CHALLENGES WITH 
SOME OF THESE CANDIDATES OF 
ARTICULATING A VISION THAT IS 
EXPANSIVE THAT'S NOT JUST MORE 
OF THE SORT OF BOUTIQUE TAX 
CREDITS AND THINGS THAT WORKED 
IN THE 2000S FOR THE HARPER 
ADMINISTRATION, BUT CONTINUED TO
WORK LESS AND LESS WELL OVER 
TIME.
>> Rosemary: YES.
>> WE HAVEN'T HAD MUCH 
ARTICULATION OF THAT, SO I THINK
THERE'S A HEALING OF THE FAMILY.
THAT'S ACTUALLY THE SMALLER OF 
THE TWO TASKS THAT ARE COMING, 
AND SOMETIMES THEY ARE IN 
OPPOSITION TO EACH OTHER.
MAYBE A POIGNANT EXAMPLE OF 
THIS, DOUG FORD WOULD NOT HAVE 
BECOME THE LEADER OF THE ONTARIO
PC PARTY WITHOUT THE SUPPORT ON 
THE SECOND BALLOT FROM TANYA 
GRANIC ALLEN, AND SHE ALSO GOT 
SHOWN THE DOOR, YOU KNOW, RATHER
QUICKLY AFTERWARDS AS A PART OF 
AN EFFORT TO BUILD A BROADER 
COALITION WITH APPEAL TO 
PARTICULARLY SUBURBAN WOMEN.
SO THE SEARCH FOR SUPPORT FROM 
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES IS AT ITS 
ABSOLUTE PEAK DURING THESE 
LEADERSHIP EVENTS, AND THEN THE 
NATURE OF THAT QUEST CHANGES, 
AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT 
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES AREN'T A 
HUGE PART OF IT, BUT IT MEANS 
THAT THE PIECE MIGHT NOT LOOK 
EXACTLY AS PEOPLE THINK.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, I THINK 
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT, AND 
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR BOTH 
CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS AND FOR 
CANADIANS WATCHING TONIGHT WHO 
ARE GOING TO HEAR A DIFFERENT 
MESSAGE, AND IT WILL BE THE SAME
SPEECH, BUT THEY MIGHT BE 
HEARING DIFFERENT THINGS BECAUSE
YOU'RE RIGHT THE CRITICAL THINGS
THAT THE NEW LEADER HAS TO DO 
TONIGHT IS AT LEAST EXTEND A 
HAND TO CANADIANS THAT WOULD BE 
WILLING TO CONSIDER 
CONSERVATIVES.
AND I SAID THIS EARLIER IN THE 
SHOW, KORY, AND BECAUSE YOU WERE
HIS FORMER DIRECTOR OF 
COMMUNICATIONS, SOMEONE SAID TO 
ME THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT 
STEPHEN HARPER WAS JUST AWFULLY 
GOOD AT, WAS SORT OF KEEPING 
PEOPLE, ALL THE DIFFERENT 
COALITIONS INSIDE THE BIG BLUE 
TENT PRETTY SATISFIED.
BUT NO ONE WAS THRILLED ALL THE 
TIME, BUT THERE WASN'T A REAL 
SENSE OF DISILLUSIONMENT FROM 
THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE 
PARTY, AND THAT'S WHY HE WAS 
GOOD AT HOLDING IT TOGETHER.
>> EXACTLY.
EXACTLY.
BUT YOU KNOW, IN THAT PARTICULAR
CIRCUMSTANCE, IN THOSE 
CIRCUMSTANCES, AND THE BALANCE I
THINK HE WAS ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY
WALK WAS KEEPING PEOPLE JUST 
HAPPY ENOUGH BUT NOT SCRATCHING 
EVERY ITCH THAT THEY HAVE.
>> Rosemary: THAT'S RIGHT.
>> AND THAT'S A CHALLENGE, AND 
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE LASTING 
LEGACIES OF ANDREW SCHEER I 
THINK IS THAT THE NATURE OF THAT
CAUCUS CHANGED CONSIDERABLY.
THERE WERE CANDIDATES THAT WERE 
NOMINATED AND ELECTED AND PUT IN
THAT CAUCUS THAT NEVER WOULD 
HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO RUN IN THE 
STEPHEN HARPER GOVERNMENT, IS MY
BELIEF.
AND I THINK ONE OF THEM IS ON 
THE BALLOT.
I THINK DEREK SLOAN WOULD FIT 
INTO THAT CATEGORY, AND SO I 
THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE 
LIKELY -- THERE'S STILL A PATH 
IN LESLYN LEWIS, BUT IF IT'S 
EITHER ERIN O'TOOLE OR PETER 
MacKAY, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN 
IMMEDIATE TENSION I THINK 
BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVES WITHIN THAT CAUCUS
ARE MORE HARD CORE THAN THE ONES
THAT YOU WOULD HAVE FOUND IN 
THAT CAUCUS UNDER STEPHEN 
HARPER.
THAT'S NOT GOOD NOR BAD.
LIKE, THEY WERE ELECTED.
I'M NOT BEGRUDGING THAT, BUT 
IT'S GOING TO CREATE A TENSION 
INSIDE THE CAUCUS THAT HARPER 
DIDN'T FACE IN THE SAME DEGREE.
>> Rosemary: ALSO BECAUSE -- 
ALSO BECAUSE STEPHEN HARPER 
WAS -- WHAT'S THE POLITE WAY TO 
SAY IT.
HE WAS TOUGH.
I MEAN, HE WAS TOUGH ON CAUCUS, 
AND HE DIDN'T ACCEPT PEOPLE 
ROLLING AROUND TALKING ABOUT 
THINGS OR SAYING THINGS IF HE 
DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR IT.
I MEAN, HE WAS TOUGH ON THE WAY 
THAT OPERATED.
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S VERY 
TRUE, AND YOU KNOW, VERY 
DIFFERENT APPROACH THAN, SAY, 
BRIAN MULRONEY HAD, BUT HE HAD A
DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING IT.
YOU CAN GET THERE THROUGH CHARM 
AND CHARISMA AND REMEMBERING 
EVERYBODY'S BIRTHDAY AND DOING 
ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT 
CREATED SUCH AN INTENSE LOYALTY 
WITHIN THE MULRONEY CAUCUS 
TOWARDS HIM.
THERE'S MORE THAN ONE WAY TO 
SKIN A CAT.
>> Rosemary: OF COURSE. 
>> WHOEVER WINS, THEY ARE GOING 
TO HAVE TO FIND THEIR OWN PATH 
TO DOING THAT, BUT THE SPEECH 
TONIGHT IS -- YOU KNOW, IF DONE 
RIGHT, IT'S MAYBE 25% TRYING TO 
HEAL THE WOUNDS OF THE PARTY AND
75% REACHING OUT TO THAT 
ADDITIONAL MILLION PEOPLE THAT 
YOU GOT TO GET TO VOTE FOR YOU.
BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE ONLY 
SPEECHES THAT THEY ARE GOING TO 
SEE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF FOCUS ON 
PEOPLE -- PUNDITRY TALKING ABOUT
HEALING THE FAMILY.
THAT'S PART OF IT.
ANOTHER PART OF IT IS REACHING 
OUT TO OTHER VOTERS AND THAT 
PROCESS REALLY BEGINS TODAY.
>> Rosemary: REALLY GOOD POINTS,
KORY, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
GLAD WE GOT YOU IN BEFORE WE GET
RESULTS.
WHO KNOWS HOW LONG THAT'S GOING 
TO TAKE.
WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU ONCE WE 
GET SOME RESULTS.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
KORY TONIGHT IS IN TORONTO.
REALLY IMPORTANT POINTS THAT 
KORY WAS MENTIONING THERE IN 
TERMS OF WHEN YOU'RE LISTENING 
TO THE SPEECH, IF YOU'RE A 
CONSERVATIVE PARTY MEMBER VERSUS
SOMEONE WHO'S CONSIDERED VOTING 
FOR THEM BUT HASN'T, THERE WILL 
BE A MESSAGE THERE TO TRY AND 
BROADEN THE TENT, THE INFAMOUS 
CONSERVATIVE TENT.
EVERYONE'S GOT A TENT, BUT THIS 
ONE IS BLUE, BECAUSE ONE OF THE 
ISSUES THAT THE CONSERVATIVE 
PARTY HAS STRUGGLED WITH FOR 
MANY ELECTIONS IS NOT BEING ABLE
TO GROW ITS POPULAR VOTE IN A 
REALLY SIGNIFICANT WAY.
ANDREW SCHEER CERTAINLY DID THAT
IN THE LAST ELECTION, BUT WASN'T
ABLE TO GROW IN KEY REGIONS OF 
THIS COUNTRY, WHETHER IT BE 
ONTARIO OR QUEBEC.
LOST VIRTUALLY I THINK ALMOST 
ALL THE SEATS IN ATLANTIC 
CANADA.
SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT EXPANDING
THE TENT.
IT'S ALSO ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT
YOU BROADEN THE SUPPORT ACROSS 
THE COUNTRY, BUT CERTAINLY ALL 
CONSERVATIVES KNOW THAT THEY 
JUST NEED TO BOOST THE NUMBERS 
AND HAVE MORE PEOPLE VOTE BLUE.
SO PART OF WHAT -- PART OF WHAT 
WILL BE SAID TONIGHT WILL BE 
ABOUT TRYING TO START ATTRACTING
CANADIANS TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK 
AT THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY, 
KNOWING THAT A CAMPAIGN COULD 
HAPPEN, AN ELECTION COULD HAPPEN
AS EARLY AS THIS FALL, AS MUCH 
AS THAT SEEMS OUT OF THE REALM 
OF POSSIBILITY DURING A 
PANDEMIC.
PERHAPS MORE LIKELY IN THE 
SPRING.
REMEMBER MINORITY GOVERNMENTS IN
THIS COUNTRY TYPICALLY LAST FOR 
18 TO 24 MONTHS.
THE LIBERAL MINORITY GOVERNMENT 
SO FAR HAS LASTED 10 MONTHS, SO 
IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT SOON TO
GO IN THE FALL, BUT YOU NEVER 
KNOW.
OKAY, WE ARE STANDING BY TO HEAR
SOME RESULTS.
WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR MANY 
HOURS NOW TO GET THEM.
REMEMBER THIS WAS AN EVENING 
THAT WAS SET TO START AT 6 P.M. 
EASTERN.
WE ARE NOW CLOSE TO MIDNIGHT 
EASTERN TIME.
DIFFERENT TIME ZONES FOR ALL OF 
YOU WATCHING IN THE WEST, AS 
MICHELLE REMPEL REMINDED ME, BUT
WE ARE EXPECTING SOME RESULTS 
SOON.
WE ARE ABOUT -- WE WERE TOLD, WE
WERE GIVEN 15-MINUTE WARNING.
THAT 15 MINUTES HAS NOW COME AND
GONE, SO I WOULD IMAGINE WE ARE 
VERY CLOSE.
SO LET ME BRING IN MY COLLEAGUES
WHO MIGHT HAVE EMAILS AND TEXTS 
AND INFORMATION THAT WOULD 
INDICATE WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS 
OF THINGS YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN
AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT THERE.
LISA RAITT AND DAN NOLAN ARE THE
CO-CHAIRS OF THIS LEADERSHIP 
CAMPAIGN, AND THEY ARE THE ONES 
WHO WILL BRING US THE RESULTS AS
SOON AS THEY ARE AVAILABLE.
IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THE COUNTING 
HAS STOPPED AND THINGS HAVE BEEN
TABULATED.
VASSY, ARE YOU HEARING ANYTHING 
ABOUT WHEN THIS MIGHT HAPPEN?
>> Vassy: I REALLY HOPE YOU MEAN
THAT.
WHICH MINUTE ARE YOU CHOOSING?
BECAUSE THE GUYS -- LIKE YOU 
POINT OUT, ROSIE, THE 15-MINUTE 
WARNING HAS COME AND GONE.
I DID -- OUR PRODUCER CHRISTINA 
LOPEZ HAS HEARD THAT THE 
SCRUTINEERS HAVE BEEN RELEASED, 
SO THAT IS ANOTHER POSITIVE 
SIGN.
THOSE SCRUTINEERS HAVE BEEN 
THERE FOR GOING ON I THINK ABOUT
15 HOURS.
THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE 
REPRESENTING VARIOUS PARTIES, AS
WELL AS THE PARTY ITSELF WHO 
ACTUALLY SCRUTINIZED EACH OF THE
BALLOTS, AND IN THIS CASE THEY 
WERE TASKED WITH THE ADDITIONAL 
IDEA OF LOOKING AT EACH OF THE 
NEW ONES THAT WERE MADE, WHICH 
THEN HAD TO BE RECOUNTED -- OR 
NOT RECOUNTED, BUT COUNTED FOR 
THE FIRST TIME BASICALLY.
SO THAT WAS -- WE'RE TALKING IN 
THE NEIGHBOURHOOD OF THOUSANDS 
THAT THE PARTY HAS SAID OVER THE
PAST NUMBER OF HOURS.
THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
IF THEY HAS BEEN RELEASED, THAT 
MEANS THAT PART OF THE PROCESS 
IS DONE, SO THAT SO-CALLED 
15-MINUTE WARNING SHOULD APPLY 
IN SOME GENERAL SENSE TO WHEN 
THEY ARE GOING TO GET UP THERE.
WHAT I'M GETTING IS ANY MINUTE 
NOW.
SO SOMETHING SHOULD BE HAPPENING
SOON.
FINGERS CROSSED.
>> Rosemary: CATHERINE, ARE YOU 
HEARING ANYTHING ABOUT THE 
TIMELINE HERE?
BECAUSE WE ARE PAST THE 15 
MINUTES.
I'M ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO BE 
ANY MOMENT NOW.
>> Catherine: ANY MOMENT NOW.
WHY DON'T WE GO WITH THAT, 
ROSEMARY?
AGAIN, THERE'S ANOTHER 
CATCH-ALL.
>> Rosemary: NOW I FEEL LIKE 
YOU'RE ALL MOCKING ME, BUT YES.
>> Catherine: THERE'S A LITTLE 
BIT OF FLURRY OF ACTIVITY RIGHT 
NOW ABOUT HOW MANY BALLOTS WERE 
AFFECTED BY THAT ENVELOPE 
MACHINE.
I KNOW WE HEARD EARLIER WHEN 
HANNAH WAS SPEAKING TO DAN NOLAN
THAT IT WAS 4,000, OTHER 
CAMPAIGNS ARE UNDER THE 
IMPRESSION IT'S A GREATER NUMBER
THAN THAT.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME 
OFFICIAL NUMBERS ON THAT.
THAT'S WHERE THE CONCERN IS.
AS IT HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO US, 
THE SCRUTINEERS HAVE WATCHED AS 
THE BALLOTS HAVE BEEN TAPED BACK
TOGETHER OR THE INFORMATION 
TRANSFERRED ON TO ANOTHER 
BALLOT.
WHAT WE'RE REALLY INTERESTED AT 
THIS POINT OF COURSE IS WHAT 
THIS RESULT IS AND WHEN 
PRECISELY WE'RE GOING TO HEAR 
IT, BUT IT LEAVES A QUESTION 
LOOMING IN THE BACKGROUND I 
THINK OF ALL OF THIS WHICH IS 
JUST TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT 
MORE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED HERE 
AND THE SCOPE OF IT.
HOPEFULLY I THINK MOST PEOPLE 
WOULD HOPE THAT THAT WHOLE 
CONVERSATION SORT OF GETS LEFT 
IN THE DUST TONIGHT AS WE TURN 
TO A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE 
THE PARTY GOES FROM HERE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF 
TALK ABOUT UNITY TONIGHT, AND I 
THINK THAT TOO IS TWOFOLD, 
RIGHT?
THERE'S A QUESTION OF UNITY 
WITHIN THE CONSERVATIVE 
MOVEMENT, PARTICULARLY THAT 
CONVERSATION ALWAYS SEEMS TO 
HINGE AROUND THE QUESTION OF THE
PLACE OF SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES IN
THE PARTY AND HOW VOCAL THEY 
ARE, BUT ALSO WITHIN CAUCUS 
ITSELF.
AND SO ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE 
GOING TO WANT TO WATCH, WHAT IS 
IN THE SPEECH TONIGHT, WHAT ARE 
THE FIRST FEW ACTIONS THAT WE 
SEE FROM THE LEADER, VASSY 
TALKING ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF 
PETER MacKAY GOING OUT TO 
ALBERTA, BUT ALSO HOW DO THEY 
TRY TO MEND THOSE FENCES, RIGHT?
THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT 
INSIDE BASEBALL, BUT THERE ARE 
THINGS LIKE CRITIC PORTFOLIOS, 
THE CONSERVATIVES LIKE TO CALL 
IT THEIR SHADOW CABINET.
HOW DO THE TWO TEAMS NOW MERGE, 
THE M.P.S SUPPORTING THE VARIOUS
CAMPS, IF IT IS INDEED ONE OF 
THESE TWO PERCEIVED 
FRONTRUNNERS.
IF YOU'RE PETER MacKAY, WHAT JOB
DO YOU GIVE ERIN O'TOOLE.
IF YOU'RE EITHER OF THEM, WHAT 
JOB DO YOU GIVE ANDREW SCHEER?
THERE'S A REAL INTERESTING 
QUESTION.
DEREK SLOAN, WHAT ROLE IF ANY 
DOES HE PLAY, CERTAINLY 
MR. MacKAY MADE A POINT IN THE 
FRENCH LANGUAGE DEBATE OF SORT 
OF GENTLY I'LL SAY BUT TAKING 
HIM TO TASK FOR SOME OF THE 
THINGS THAT HE SAID ABOUT 
PARTICULARLY -- WASN'T SO MUCH 
ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE, BUT IN FACT 
DEREK SLOAN MADE SOME COMMENTS 
VERY EARLY ON IN THE RACE ABOUT 
HOW BEING GAY WASN'T -- HE 
DIDN'T BELIEVE IT WAS A CHOICE, 
BUT HE'S NOT A SCIENTIST.
WE MIGHT RECALL.
WHERE IF ANY WHERE DOES HE FIT 
INTO ALL OF THIS.
SO THESE ARE THE CONSIDERATIONS 
THAT FRANKLY THE LEADERS AND THE
TEAMS HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT 
FOR DAYS.
THERE'S ALSO THE QUESTION OF 
STAFFING UP THE LEADERS OFFICE, 
AND WHILE THAT MIGHT SOUND 
INCREDIBLY MUNDANE, THE QUESTION
OF WHAT KIND OF TEAM YOU HAVE 
AROUND YOU, ESPECIALLY FOR PETER
MacKAY WHO HAD SOME STUMBLES IN 
THIS RACE, TWEETS AND 
FUNDRAISING LETTERS THAT WENT 
OUT THAT WEREN'T REFLECTING WHAT
HE THOUGHT WAS HIS MESSAGE.
ERIN O'TOOLE HAS REVIVED HIS 
TEAM FROM HIS 2017 CAMPAIGN.
I THINK IT'S A BIT MORE CLEAR 
WHERE HE WOULD GO, BUT CAN PETER
MacKAY SURROUND HIMSELF WITH THE
RIGHT PEOPLE, AND IF IT'S LESLYN
LEWIS, YOU KNOW, HER TEAM'S 
REALLY GOING TO HAVE TO GROW.
>> Rosemary: ALL HANDS ON DECK 
FOR SOMEONE WHO HASN'T BEEN 
ELECTED BEFORE.
ALTHOUGH FOR LESLYN LEWIS AND 
FOR PETER MacKAY, THEY HAVE THE 
SAME CHALLENGE IMMEDIATELY TO 
TRY AND GET A SEAT IN THE HOUSE.
SO OBVIOUSLY NOT UNHEARD OF, 
JAGMEET SINGH WENT FOR MANY 
MONTHS, I THINK CERTAINLY MORE 
THAN 12 MONTHS, IF I'M NOT 
MISTAKEN, BEFORE HE RAN FOR A 
SEAT, WHICH WAS EVENTUALLY IN 
BURNABY, EVEN THOUGH HE WAS 
LEADER OF THE PARTY.
SO YOU KNOW, CAN YOU TAKE SOME 
TIME IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET 
INTO THE HOUSE RIGHT AWAY, BUT 
YOU WOULD IMAGINE THAT YOU WOULD
WANT YOUR LEADER IN THERE 
PRESSING THE PRIME MINISTER AS 
SOON AS POSSIBLE, PARTICULARLY 
GIVEN THE CONTEXT IN WHICH WE 
ARE RIGHT NOW.
OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT, 
CATHERINE, AND I WILL GO TO 
HANNAH NOW TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY
NEWS ON THE GROUND ABOUT HOW 
THINGS ARE UNFOLDING THERE, 
HANNAH.
>> SOON IS WHAT I KEEP GETTING 
TOLD.
>> Rosemary: NOW YOU'RE ALL 
MOCKING ME FOR SURE.
>> Hannah: I WAS LAUGHING WHEN 
YOU SAID THAT TO CATHERINE.
IT IS FUNNY.
WHAT I'M HEARING IS THEY ARE 
DOING THE FINAL REGIONAL 
CALCULATIONS.
>> Rosemary: OKAY.
>> Hannah: SO SOON, YES.
WE DO KNOW THAT THE SCRUTINEERS 
ARE OUT OF THE ROOM.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE 
KEEPING AN EYE ON THOSE 
THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS THAT HAD 
BEEN CUT BY THE MACHINE.
THEY ARE NOW OUT OF THAT ROOM.
THEY ARE WITH THEIR TEAMS, AND 
WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR THOSE 
NUMBERS.
SO WE CAN SEE THAT THEY ARE 
TALKING ON THE STAGE THERE, AND 
I'M JUST CHECKING MY NOTES AS 
WELL BECAUSE, LET'S SEE . . . 
OKAY, SO SOME OF THE TEAMS, YOU 
KNOW, WE HEARD THIS FROM FRED 
DESLAURIERS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER
ON THE O'TOOLE TEAM, THE 
CAMPAIGN MANAGER FOR O'TOOLE, 
THEY ARE STILL THINKING, OF 
COURSE, THAT THEIR GUY IS GOING 
TO BE NUMBER ONE ON THAT FIRST 
BALLOT.
SO THIS IS -- YOU KNOW, I'LL 
COME AGAIN BACK TO THIS LOOKING 
AT THIS FIRST BALLOT, WHO WILL 
BE IN FIRST PLACE ON IT.
WILL IT BE THE POPULAR VOTE OR 
WILL IT BE THE POINT SYSTEM?
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY 
INTERESTING TOO, AND THIS IS 
SOMETHING THAT ERIC KNOWS WAY 
BETTER THAN I DO, BUT YOU CAN 
WIN THE POPULAR VOTE BUT NOT WIN
THE LEADERSHIP RACE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO 
KEEP AN EYE ON.
I KNOW WE'RE STARTING NOW TO GET
A BIT EXCITED MORE ABOUT WHO MAY
POTENTIALLY TAKE THIS RACE AS 
OPPOSED TO WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT
ROOM, BUT AS CATHERINE WAS 
SAYING IS THAT DAN NOLAN TOLD US
A BIT EARLIER THAT THE NUMBERS 
OF BALLOTS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, 
HAVING PROBLEMS WERE IN THE 
3,000 TO 4,000 RANGE, BUT IT 
COULD BE HIGHER THAN THAT, AND 
THAT COULD BE WHY WE'VE SEEN 
SUCH DELAYS THROUGHOUT THE 
EVENING.
BUT THEY ARE FINISHING UP, 
TALLYING THOSE REGIONAL NUMBERS,
AND WE SHOULD GET THEM.
THEY HAVE FOUR MINUTES TO DO IT 
BEFORE TOMORROW EASTERN.
OTHERWISE . . . 
>> Rosemary: THAT'S GOOD.
THAT'S A GOOD ULTIMATUM TO SEND 
THEM.
OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
COME BACK IF YOU'VE GOT 
ANYTHING, HANNAH.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
I WILL SAY THAT I HEARD THAT 
ABOUT HALF AN HOUR AGO DELOITTE,
WHICH IS THE AUDITING FIRM, THE 
ACCOUNTING FIRM THAT WAS THE 
THIRD PARTY MANAGING THIS FOR 
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY, DID PULL
THE BALLOTS.
THEY DID THAT LAST CLICK, SEND 
OUT THE RESULTS.
SO OVER THE PAST LET'S SAY 20 TO
30 MINUTES, CERTAINLY THE PARTY 
HAS BEEN TABULATING THE RESULTS 
AND IS WELL AWARE OF THE RESULTS
OF THE FIRST ROUND BALLOT AND 
OTHERS.
SO THESE ARE ALL GOOD THINGS.
WE ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT 
DIRECTION.
WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE RESULTS, 
THAT THEY ARE WORKING NOW TO 
TABULATE THEM PER PROVINCE OR 
REGION, AND WE KNOW THAT THE TWO
PEOPLE YOU SEE THERE ON YOUR 
SCREEN, LISA RAITT AND DAN 
NOLAN, WILL BRING US THOSE 
RESULTS.
HERE IS HOW WE ARE EXPECTING 
THAT TO UNFOLD, WHICH WILL BE 
VERY SOON.
WE WILL FOR THAT FIRST BALLOT, 
BECAUSE THIS IS A RANKED BALLOT,
REMEMBER, WE WILL GET PARTY 
PROVINCIAL REPRESENTATIVES IN 
EACH PROVINCE AND A COMBINED ONE
FOR THE TERRITORIES TO GIVE US 
THEIR RESULTS AS THEY GO 
THROUGH.
SO THAT WILL START TO GIVE YOU A
PICTURE.
I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT IT 
STARTS OUT IN BRITISH COLUMBIA 
AND IT SENDS IN THE PROVINCE OF 
ONTARIO OR QUEBEC.
IT LEAVES ONTARIO AND QUEBEC 
UNTIL THE END.
AND THEN WE WILL GET A NATIONAL 
NUMBER FROM MS. RAITT AND 
MR. NOLAN, AND THAT WILL GIVE US
A SENSE OF WHETHER THINGS ARE 
DONE ON THAT FIRST BALLOT.
IT'S A POSSIBILITY, OR WHETHER 
WE GET TO THE SECOND ONE.
WHEN WE GET TO THE SECOND OR 
THIRD ROUND, AND THERE CAN ONLY 
BE THREE ROUNDS AT THIS STAGE 
BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY FOUR 
CANDIDATES, THAT WILL COME 
DIRECTLY FROM THE TWO CO-CHAIRS 
IN ORDER TO CUT DOWN A LITTLE 
BIT ON THE TIME HERE, BECAUSE 
WE'VE NOW BEEN AT THIS FOR SIX 
HOURS, SINCE WHEN THE CAMPAIGN 
WAS -- WHEN THE PROGRAM WAS 
SUPPOSED TO START AND WHERE WE 
ARE NOW.
SO I THINK ALL THE CAMPAIGNS AND
ALL THE TEAMS ARE CERTAINLY 
WANTING TO GET THIS DONE BECAUSE
THEY'VE GOT A LOT ON THE LINE 
ALL OF THEM AND A LOT OF PEOPLE 
WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR THEM 
AND THEY WANT TO SEE WHAT THE 
NEXT FEW WEEKS AND MONTHS WILL 
HOLD FOR THEM AND FOR WHOEVER 
THAT NEW LEADER WILL BE.
A REMINDER THIS IS AN IMPORTANT 
MOMENT FOR THE CONSERVATIVE 
PARTY.
THE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL 
OPPOSITION WILL BE NAMED 
TONIGHT.
THIS WILL BE THE PERSON VYING TO
BECOME CANADA'S NEXT PRIME 
MINISTER, WHENEVER THAT ELECTION
MIGHT HAPPEN.
IT'S ONE THAT COULD HAPPEN SOON 
IF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY CAN 
MANAGE TO CONVINCE THE OTHER 
PARTIES INSIDE PARLIAMENT THAT 
THEY WANT TO TALK DOWN THE 
LIBERALS.
THAT WILL BE NO EASY TASK, BUT 
IF IT'S SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY 
WANT TO GO, THEN THEY WILL HAVE 
TO START REACHING OUT TO THE 
BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS AND THE N.D.P. IN
ORDER TO DO THAT.
BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT MOMENT 
FOR THE PARTY BECAUSE IT'S ONLY 
THEIR THIRD LEADER, OFFICIALLY, 
FOR THIS PARTY AFTER IT WAS 
FOUNDED IN 2003.
THIS PERSON WILL BE THE THIRD 
OFFICIAL PARTY LEADER, PERMANENT
PARTY LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY OF CANADA.
SO THAT'S A BIG DEAL FOR THEM 
TOO.
AS WE WAIT FOR SOME RESULTS FROM
LISA RAITT OR DAN NOLAN, I'M 
GOING TO GO BACK TO VASSY 
KAPELOS IF SHE IS THERE, IF SHE 
DOESN'T MIND.
IN TERMS OF WHAT ELSE, I GUESS, 
WE MIGHT EXPECT IN THE DAYS 
AHEAD.
CATHERINE GAVE US SOME GOOD 
THOUGHTS THERE IN TERMS OF 
SIGNALS THE NEW LEADER WOULD 
HAVE TO SEND IN TERMS OF 
UNIFYING THE PARTY.
OFTEN SHADOW CABINETS AND THOSE 
POSITIONS BECOME IMPORTANT IF 
YOU'RE TRYING TO ELEVATE SOMEONE
WHO WAS PREVIOUSLY YOUR 
OPPONENT.
BUT WHAT OTHER THINGS MIGHT WE 
LOOK FOR IMMEDIATELY FROM 
WHOEVER WINS HERE TONIGHT, DO 
YOU THINK?
>> Vassy: I THINK THE THING THAT
I'M MOST CURIOUS ABOUT IS 
WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A PIVOT 
FROM WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING 
FROM THE CONSERVATIVES AS OF 
LATE, AND I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A
NEGATIVE WAY. 
>> Rosemary: NO. 
>> Vassy: BUT THERE HAS BEEN A 
HUGE FOCUS ON THE We 
CONTROVERSY, FOR EXAMPLE, AND BY
EXTENSION ON JUSTIN TRUDEAU.
THAT'S NOT NEW FOR THE 
CONSERVATIVES.
IT CERTAINLY WAS A PART OF THE 
CAMPAIGN FOR MANY OF THE PEOPLE 
RUNNING TO REPLACE ANDREW SCHEER
THIS TIME AROUND, BUT IT IS 
SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T 
NECESSARILY WORK FOR THEM IN THE
LAST ELECTION.
A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES I SPOKE 
TO AFTER THE LAST ELECTION, THEY
SHARE IN THEIR DISTRUST OR 
DISLIKE OF JUSTIN TRUDEAU, THE 
ONE THAT WAS SORT OF ESPOUSED BY
AREW SCHEER AND THE CAMPAIGN 
ITSELF, BUT THEY REALLY 
ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT DIDN'T 
EXACTLY RESONATE WITH THE VOTERS
THAT AS YOU AND KORY AND OTHERS 
HAVE LAID OUT TONIGHT, THEY NEED
TO BE ABLE TO RESONATE WITH IN 
ORDER TO BUILD THEIR COALITION, 
TO EXPAND ON THEIR BASE SO THAT 
EVEN THOUGH THIS TIME AROUND 
THEY WERE ABLE TO GET MORE 
VOTES, THEY CAN ACTUALLY 
TRANSLATE THAT INTO A WIN NEXT 
TIME AROUND.
AND SO I'M VERY CURIOUS TO SEE 
IF THE RHETORIC OF THE CAMPAIGN,
WHICH YOU KNOW, RANGES FROM I'M 
THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN BEAT 
JUSTIN TRUDEAU TO JUSTIN TRUDEAU
HAS RUINED OUR COUNTRY WILL 
CHANGE AT ALL AND WILL PIVOT, 
YOU KNOW, TOWARDS MORE OF A 
FOCUS ON WHAT THE -- WHAT THIS 
NEW LEADER PLANS TO DO, HOW THEY
MIGHT LEAD THE COUNTRY, WHAT 
THEY WILL SAY ABOUT THE SPECIFIC
SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES WE ALL FIND
OURSELVES IN WITH THE PANDEMIC, 
RIGHT?
THIS IS -- I NOTED, FOR EXAMPLE,
DURING THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL 
CONVENTION LAST WEEK, SO MUCH 
OF -- I MEAN, APART FROM ALL THE
STUFF THAT WAS SAID ABOUT DONALD
TRUMP AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT 
WAS VERY FOCUSED ON THE 
LEADERSHIP DURING THE PANDEMIC, 
RIGHT, AND LEADERSHIP OUT OF THE
PANDEMIC, WHATEVER THAT MAY LOOK
LIKE.
WE KNOW THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING 
TO HEAR FROM JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND 
THE LIBERALS WHEN PARLIAMENT 
RESUMES AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER,
AND IN NO WAY AM I SAYING 
THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF THINGS TO 
CRITICIZE THE GOVERNMENT FOR, 
AND I'M SURE THE CONSERVATIVES 
WILL DO THAT, BUT THEY ARE GOING
TO HAVE TO PLOT THEIR OWN PATH 
OUT OF THIS, OR AGAINST IT, OR 
WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A VERY 
SPECIFIC VISION, AND I'M NOT 
SAYING THAT AS, YOU KNOW, A 
PUNDIT SITTING HERE OR A 
REPORTER SITTING HERE.
I'M SAYING THAT BASED ON THE 
CONVERSATIONS I HAVE HAD WITH 
PEOPLE WHO VOTED CONSERVATIVE IN
THE LAST ELECTION BUT WERE 
DISAPPOINTED THAT THEY WEREN'T 
ABLE TO WIN, AND SO I THINK 
THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR OVER
THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
YES, THERE WILL BE THE 
LOGISTICAL STUFF FOR SURE WHEN 
IT COMES TO SHADOW CABINETS, 
WHEN IT COMES TO A WHOLE HOST OF
OTHER THINGS, WHERE THEY TRAVEL,
WHO THEY TALK ABOUT AND WHO THEY
TALK TO, BUT I AM CURIOUS, 
ESPECIALLY IN THIS INITIAL 
SPEECH, IF IT EVER COMES TO 
FRUITION THIS EVENING, OR 
WHENEVER IT HAPPENS, I AM VERY, 
VERY CURIOUS TO SEE IS IT ALL 
ABOUT JUSTIN TRUDEAU?
IS IT ALL ABOUT BEING NEGATIVE 
ABOUT JUSTIN TRUDEAU?
IS IT THE SAME TONE AS WE JUST 
HEARD FROM ANDREW SCHEER, WHICH 
WAS KIND OF ALMOST A PUZZLING, 
NEGATIVE TONE, RIGHT?
LIKE, IS IT GOING TO BE LIKE 
THAT OR IS IT GOING TO BE 
SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN 
CONSERVATIVES HAVE BEEN HEARING 
FOR THE LAST NUMBER OF MONTHS 
AND MAYBE EVEN YEARS?
I DON'T KNOW, AND I'M NOT -- 
AGAIN, THAT RESONATES WITH A LOT
OF PEOPLE, BUT I THINK IF 
TONIGHT IS AN OPPORTUNITY AS 
KORY AND OTHERS HAVE LAID OUT TO
EXPAND BEYOND THOSE WHOSE VOTE 
YOU HAVE ALREADY SECURED, THAT 
KIND OF STUFF BECOMES PRETTY 
IMPORTANT.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, AND I WILL 
SAY I AGREE WITH YOU AND I THINK
THE ONE THING PROBABLY ALL 
CANADIANS WOULD AGREE ON RIGHT 
NOW IS THAT PEOPLE ARE ANXIOUS 
AND WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE, 
WHATEVER THAT MAY MEAN, 
FINANCIALLY, THEIR HEALTH, THEIR
CHILDREN, WHATEVER THE SITUATION
IS, THERE IS ANXIETY IN THE 
COUNTRY BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC 
AND THE MANY UNKNOWNS 
ECONOMICALLY AND AS I SAID 
HEALTH-WISE.
SO YOU WOULD EXPECT SOME SORT OF
MESSAGING I THINK FROM THE NEW 
LEADER AROUND THAT BECAUSE THAT 
IS TOP OF MIND, AND THAT COULD 
INCLUDE CRITICISM OF THE 
GOVERNMENT'S HANDLING OF THE 
PANDEMIC, CERTAINLY, BUT YOU 
WOULD WANT TOM SORT OF SENSE 
ABOUT -- SOME SORT OF SENSE 
ABOUT WHAT THIS PARTY IS HOPING 
FOR, WHAT IT WILL DO TO TRY AND 
PUSH THE GOVERNMENT TO HELP 
CANADIANS, THE KINDS OF THINGS 
THAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT 
ALL THE TIME.
I'M NOT SAYING, AS YOU SAID, 
THAT THEY WON'T MENTION THE We 
CONTROVERSY OR OTHER THINGS, BUT
I THINK THE PANDEMIC AND THE 
ECONOMIC RECOVERY LOOMS PRETTY 
LARGE FOR MOST CANADIANS, AND IF
THEY DON'T MENTION THAT TONIGHT,
THAT WOULD BE A MISSED 
OPPORTUNITY PROBABLY FOR THE NEW
LEADER.
>> Vassy: YEAH, AND I DON'T 
THINK IT'S -- I THINK ALSO, AND 
THIS COMES AT ME FROM -- AND ALL
OF US FROM PARTISANS ON BOTH 
SIDES.
IT'S NOT AN EITHER/OR. 
>> Rosemary: NO.
>> Vassy: YOU CAN CONSIDER ALL 
OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN 
GOING ON WHEN IT COMES TO ETHICS
AND THE We CONTROVERSY, THE 
RESIGNATION OF THE FINANCE 
MINISTER.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY TALK TO 
CANADIANS ABOUT YOUR READ ON THE
ETHICS OF THIS GOVERNMENT, BUT 
AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK WHILE 
CANADIANS CAN CARE ABOUT THAT, 
THEY CAN ALSO CARE ABOUT THE WAY
IN WHICH YOU PLAN TO -- OR HOPE 
TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY FORWARD 
THROUGH AND OUT OF A PANDEMIC, 
AND SO I THINK THAT EXPECTATION 
IS THERE OF ALL CANADIANS FOR 
EACH -- YOU KNOW, WE EXPECT OUR 
GOVERNMENTS TO BE ETHICAL.
WE EXPECT THEM TO TRY AND HELP 
US DEAL WITH THE WORST HEALTH 
CRISIS IN GENERATIONS AND 
GENERATIONS AND GENERATIONS.
I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD COME 
AS A SURPRISE TO ANY POLITICAL 
LEADER, BUT IT DOESN'T ALWAYS 
COME THROUGH IN THEIR DISCOURSE,
AND I'M NOT JUST SPEAKING 
SPECIFICALLY OF THE 
CONSERVATIVES HERE, BUT I THINK 
THAT'S WHY I'M SO INTERESTED TO 
SEE IS THIS ALL ABOUT, AGAIN, 
HOW TERRIBLE THEY THINK JUSTIN 
TRUDEAU IS OR IS THERE SOMETHING
MORE CONCRETE THAT'S PUT 
FORWARD.
I WOULD IMAGINE FROM MY 
CONVERSATIONS WITH MOST 
CANDIDATES THAT THEY WILL AIM TO
DO THE LATTER, BUT WE SHALL SEE.
MAYBE.
SORRY, I SHOULDN'T HAVE JUMPED 
THE GUN THERE.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, NO, I KNOW.
SO I WILL SAY WE DON'T HAVE AN 
UPDATE NOW ON THE NUMBER OF 
BALLOTS, AND WE ARE OFFICIALLY 
AFTER MIDNIGHT EASTERN, SO FOR 
PART OF THE COUNTRY, WE'RE 
MONDAY, BUT FOR THE REST OF YOU,
YOU CAN HANG ON TO SUNDAY AND 
YOU'LL STILL HAVE A LEADER MAYBE
ON SUNDAY, A NEW LEADER COME 
SUNDAY.
SO WE ARE WAITING TO HEAR THE 
RESULTS FOR THIS FIRST BALLOT 
ROUND.
MAYBE I'LL GO TO CATHERINE 
CULLEN.
SHE IS ALSO STANDING BY AND 
WAITING EAGERLY AS WELL AS WE 
ARE TO HEAR FROM THE CO-CHAIRS 
THAT ARE THERE ON THE SCREEN AND
HAVE BEEN SITTING THERE NOW FOR,
I DON'T KNOW, 45 MINUTES, 
BECAUSE THEY WANTED A DIFFERENT 
VIEW OR DIFFERENT CHAIR TO GET 
BUSY.
WHEN WE LAST HEARD FROM HANNAH, 
THEY WERE TABULATING A REGIONAL 
VOTE.
SO -- BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO 
THEN SEND THOSE TO THE PEOPLE 
THAT THEY HAVE DESIGNATED IN 
THOSE PROVINCES, AND THOSE 
PEOPLE WILL READ THOSE NUMBERS 
OUT LOUD.
SO THAT PROBABLY IS ALSO 
DELAYING THINGS.
YOU HAVE TO CALL SOMEONE OR 
EMAIL SOMEONE AND HERE'S YOUR 
NUMBER.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DELAY IS 
AT THIS STAGE, BUT I EXPECT IT'S
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> Catherine: YEAH, I SEE LITTLE
THINGS FLASHING IN THE CORNER 
HERE, ROSEMARY.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE 
THERE'S NOT ANY NEWS, AND I 
DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS.
WELCOME TO DAY TWO OF OUR 
COVERAGE.
I STOLE THAT JOKE FROM ALEX 
BOUTELIER FROM THE ASTRONAUT 
STAR.
I STOLE THAT.
>> Rosemary: YOU CREDITED HIM.
THAT'S FINE -- TORONTO STAR.
>> Catherine: YOU CAN IMAGINE 
THE CANDIDATES, THEIR FAMILIES 
CHOMPING ON THEIR FINGERNAILS.
THINK ABOUT IT EARLIER IN THE 
TONIGHT, ERIN O'TOOLE WAS DOING 
ZOOM CALLS WITH HIS SUPPORTERS, 
TRYING TO KEEP EVERYBODY SORT OF
JACKED UP.
CAN YOU IMAGINE IF YOU'VE DONE 
DOOR KNOCKING FOR THESE 
CAMPAIGNS OR WHATNOT AND NOW YOU
HAVE BEEN WAITING SINCE 6:00 
WHEN THIS WAS OFFICIALLY 
SUPPOSED TO START, SIX HOURS.
OR IF YOU WERE SOME OF THE 
SCRUTINEERS WHO HAD BEEN IN 
THERE SINCE 7:00 IN THE MORNING,
IT IS ACTUALLY SO LATE THAT I 
HAVE JUST SORT OF LOST ALL 
CONCEPT OF WHAT WOULD THAT BE, 
17 HOURS, SOMETHING IN THAT 
NEIGHBOURHOOD.
JUST WILD.
>> Rosemary: DEVOTED PARTISANS.
>> Catherine: YEAH, WELL, AND 
YOU KNOW, TO JUST GET REALLY 
POLLYANNA FOR A SECOND, THAT IS 
WHAT IT TAKES, RIGHT, FOR 
POLITICAL PARTIES, AND I THINK 
IT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT WE 
AS JOURNALISTS LOVE COVERING 
POLITICS AND PARTY POLITICS IS 
BECAUSE YES IT CAN BE MESSY, AND
TONIGHT THIS IS ONE PARTICULAR 
EXAMPLE OF THAT, BUT ALSO THE 
INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEER 
HOURS THAT GO INTO MAKING 
SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN.
AND I WAS SAYING EARLIER 
TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF
EFFORT THAT GOES INTO MAKING A 
LEADERSHIP VOTE DURING A 
PANDEMIC WORK, AND THEN TO HAVE 
THINGS SORT OF FALL ON THEIR 
FACE A LITTLE BIT WHEN IT COMES 
TO THESE ENVELOPES, I THIS HI 
IT'S NOT NEARLY THE -- I THINK 
IT'S NOT NEARLY THE MAIN 
QUESTION, BUT ONE QUESTION IS 
THE SCOPE OF THIS PROBLEM, 
PRECISELY HOW BIG IT WAS.
THAT SAID, I DON'T HEAR ANY 
CAMPAIGN SAYING TO ME AT THIS 
POINT THAT THEY THINK THIS IS 
ANYTHING IN ANY WAY UNDERMINES 
THE RESULTS.
THAT'S NOT THE DISCUSSION.
THE DISCUSSION IS WHO'S GOING TO
WIN AND WHEN ARE WE GOING TO 
FIND OUT.
>> Rosemary: YEAH.
SO I AM HEARING THAT THE 
REGIONS, THE PROVINCES, HAVE 
NUMBERS.
SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS, SO THAT 
MEANS THAT INFORMATION IS MOVING
OUT, AND WE WILL SOON HEAR FROM 
BOTH THE CO-CHAIRS AND THEN FROM
PROVINCES ABOUT WHAT THE 
BREAKDOWN IS PER PROVINCE IN 
TERMS OF THOSE POINTS, BECAUSE 
IT'S THE POINT SYSTEM FOR THIS.
REMEMBER, 100 POINTS PER RIDING,
338 RIDINGS, IN CASE YOU'VE LOST
TRACK OF THAT NOW, 16,901 POINTS
WILL BRING YOU A VICTORY HERE 
TONIGHT, AND MAN, THESE PEOPLE, 
THESE LEADERS, THEY CAMPAIGNED 
FOR A LONG TIME DURING A 
DIFFICULT TIME, AND THEY ARE 
HAVING A LONG NIGHT, SO WHEN IT 
FINALLY HAPPENS, WHOEVER WINS, 
THAT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY 
JOYOUS PERSON.
THAT'S . . . 
[LAUGHTER]
THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY 
HAPPY -- OH, I CAN'T HEAR 
CATHERINE, SORRY.
I GOT YOU NOW.
>> Catherine: OH, I WAS THINKING
WHEN WE WERE PREPARING FOR THIS 
PARTICULAR EVENT TONIGHT, AS WE 
HAD SAID EARLIER, I THINK 
ACTUALLY ALL FOUR OF US, YOU AND
MYSELF AND VASSY WERE AT THE 
2017 ANNOUNCEMENT.
I REMEMBER SITTING BETWEEN 
ANDREW SCHEER AND MAXIME 
BERNIER, AND THEY HAD GONE 
BACKSTAGE AND THEY KNEW THE 
RESULTS, AND I REMEMBER SEEING 
THEIR FACES AND THE EMOTION ON 
MAXIM BERNIER'S FACE, AND AT 
FIRST I WASN'T SURE THE EMOTION.
HE WAS OVERCOME WITH EMOTION, 
BUT WAS HE ON THE VERGE OF TEARS
BECAUSE HE HAD WON OR LOST?
AND COMING INTO THIS, I THOUGHT,
OH, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY 
BECAUSE OF SOCIAL DISTANCING, IS
THIS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT 
MORE BLOODLESS?
WE WON'T HAVE QUITE THAT MOMENT 
OF HUMANITY?
BUT UNQUESTIONABLY IT'S 
HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES.
WE'RE NOT SEEING A LOT OF IT.
WE HOPE TO SEE ALL FOUR 
LEADERSHIP CANDIDATES AND THEIR 
WATCH PARTIES TONIGHT AS THESE 
RESULTS ARE ANNOUNCED AND GET A 
LITTLE BIT OF A SENSE OF HOW 
THEY'RE FEELING, BUT THIS, 
PARTICULARLY FOR THE CANDIDATES 
WHO HAVE PUT REALLY YEARS INTO 
THESE ASPIRATIONS, CERTAINLY IN 
THE CASE OF THE FRONTRUNNERS IN 
TERMS OF THEIR POLITICAL CAREER,
BUT I THINK YOU PROBABLY START 
THINKING ABOUT THIS EARLY ON IN 
YOUR LIFE IF YOU WANT TO THINK 
YOU WANT TO PURSUE A PATH TO TRY
TO BECOME PRIME MINISTER AT ONE 
POINT.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BIG MOMENT 
FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND ALL THE
VOLUNTEERS AROUND THEM.
SO HOPEFULLY WE HAVE ALMOST 
ARRIVED AT THAT MOMENT, 
ROSEMARY.
>> Rosemary: AND IT IS A 
TESTAMENT, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, 
THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE 
LIKE TO COVER POLITICS.
IT IS A TESTAMENT TO PEOPLE'S 
DEDICATION TO PUBLIC SERVICE.
AGAIN, TO BE ALL STARRY-EYED, 
BUT IT IS TRUE, AND IT IS 
IMPORTANT, AND NOT EVERYBODY 
DOES IT, SO WE APPRECIATE ALL 
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING 
TONIGHT INTERESTING TO WATCH AND
WHO ARE SO DEDICATED TO THEIR 
BELIEFS, AS MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE 
WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES HAVE 
BEEN DOING THAT.
OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT, 
CATHERINE.
WE'LL BE BACK TO YOU AS SOON AS 
WE KNOW MORE.
SO WE ARE EFFORTING RIGHT NOW TO
GET INFORMATION ABOUT, A, YOU 
KNOW, WHEN THIS MIGHT START, 
WHEN WE MIGHT START GETTING THE 
FIRST BALLOT RESULTS.
AND THEN WHAT THOSE RESULTS 
MIGHT SHOW US, BECAUSE 
PRESUMABLY SOME PEOPLE NOW KNOW 
WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE, SO WE 
WILL, IF WE GET ANY SENSE OF 
THEM BEFORE THEY ARE ANNOUNCED 
BRING THEM TO YOU AS WELL.
WE'RE WORKING LOTS OF SOURCES TO
TRY AND GET INFORMATION ON THAT 
FRONT.
YOU ARE WATCHING CBC TELEVISION,
"CBC NEWS NETWORK" AND cbc.ca.
THIS IS, OF COURSE, OUR SPECIAL 
COVERAGE OF THE CONSERVATIVE 
LEADERSHIP CONVENTION 2020.
WE BEGAN HERE TONIGHT AT 5:00 
EASTERN FOR A PROGRAM THE 
CONSERVATIVE PARTY HOPED WOULD 
BE OVER BY 8 P.M. EASTERN, 
WITHIN THREE OR FOUR HOURS.
WE ARE NOW LONG PAST THAT 
DEADLINE DUE TO PROBLEMS WITH 
THE MACHINE THAT WAS CUTTING 
OPEN THE ENVELOPES, ALL OF THE 
BALLOTS IN THIS LEADERSHIP RACE 
WERE MAILED IN, NOT DONE IN 
PERSON, SO ALL HAD TO BE TAKEN 
OUT OF ENVELOPES AND RUN THROUGH
A TABULATOR.
SOME OF THOSE BALLOTS WERE 
DAMAGED.
WE'RE HEARING REPORTS OF VARIOUS
NUMBERS OUT THERE, BUT WE KNOW 
CERTAINLY THOUSANDS OF THEM, 
3,000 TO 4,000 IS WHAT WE HAD 
LAST HEARD, AND SO ALL OF THOSE 
BALLOTS THAT HAD BEEN DAMAGED 
DID NEED TO BE CHECKED BY 
SCRUTINEERS.
THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN
UNFOLDING OVER THE COURSE OF 
MANY HOURS HERE, AND IT'S WHY 
YOU ARE STILL SEEING US ON CBC 
TELEVISION AND "CBC NEWS 
NETWORK."
AND WE NOW EXPECT TO HAVE THOSE 
RESULTS FAIRLY SOON.
WE KNOW THAT SOME OF THE REGIONS
HAVE THE RESULTS.
SOME OF THE CANDIDATES MAY EVEN 
HAVE THE RESULTS AS WELL, AND SO
THE CO-CHAIRS OF THIS LEADERSHIP
COMMITTEE, WHICH HAS BEEN AN 
EXTRAORDINARILY STRANGE 
LEADERSHIP CONTEST BECAUSE OF 
THE PANDEMIC, OF COURSE, WILL 
ANNOUNCE THOSE SHORTLY.
JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT IT WAS 
ACTUALLY IN JUNE WE WERE 
ANTICIPATING WE WOULD HAVE A NEW
CONSERVATIVE PARTY LEADER, BUT 
BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, 
EVERYTHING WAS PUSHED BACK.
DEBATES, THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE
LEADER, REALLY EVERYTHING.
IT MADE FOR A DIFFICULT CAMPAIGN
FOR ALL OF THOSE CANDIDATES WHO 
HAD TO COME UP WITH NEW WAYS TO 
CAMPAIGN AND NEW WAYS TO REACH 
OUT TO PARTY MEMBERS AND RECRUIT
NEW PARTY MEMBERS.
I DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE CAUSE -- 
IT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE CAUSED 
THEM MUCH TROUBLE, BECAUSE THEY 
DID MANAGE TO RECRUIT MANY MORE 
MEMBERS, AND THEY HAVE A LOT 
MORE PEOPLE VOTING, 65% OF THEIR
MEMBERS NOW VOTING, ALMOST 
175,000 BALLOTS SENT IN BEFORE 
5:00 ON FRIDAY.
THE PARTY STARTED COUNTING AT 4 
A.M. THIS MORNING.
OBVIOUSLY RAN INTO THAT PROBLEM,
SO IT'S TAKEN THEM MUCH LONGER 
THAN THEY EXPECTED.
OKAY, LET ME JUST CHECK IN ON 
WHERE WE ARE HERE WITH LISA 
RAITT AND DAN NOLAN, THE TWO 
CO-CHAIRS WHO ARE GOING TO MAKE 
THIS ANNOUNCEMENT FOR US.
WE HAVE NO UPDATE ON WHEN THIS 
WAS SUPPOSED TO START, AND IF 
YOU HAVE NOT BEEN WATCHING OR IF
YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING 
THROUGHOUT THE EVENING, THAT HAS
BEEN THE STORY OF THE NIGHT SO 
FAR.
DELAY AFTER DELAY AFTER DELAY AS
THE PARTY STRUGGLES, RUSHES, 
TRIES TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET 
THESE BALLOTS COUNTED FASTER, 
AND OF COURSE AS THE VARIOUS 
CAMPS MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE 
GOING TO BE SATISFIED WITH THE 
VALIDITY OF THE BALLOTS AND THE 
RESULTS.
OKAY, LET ME GO BACK TO VASSY 
KAPELOS, IF I CAN.
SHE IS, OF COURSE, HERE WITH ME 
IN OTTAWA, THE HOST OF "POWER & 
POLITICS," STANDING BY, AS I AM,
TO HEAR MORE.
ANY UPDATES ON TIMING FROM YOUR 
END?
>> Vassy: NO, NONE WHATSOEVER.
NO, SADLY NO.
I AM GETTING SOME -- I AM TRYING
TO GET SOME INFORMATION ABOUT 
THE FIRST BALLOT, WHICH IS OF 
COURSE THE RESULT THAT WE WOULD 
BE RECEIVING FIRST.
WE'RE GOING TO GET A REGIONAL 
BREAKDOWN, AS YOU SPELLED OUT, 
ROSIE, AND THEN WE ANTICIPATE 
THAT WE'LL GET THE NATIONAL 
NUMBERS FROM DAN NOLAN AND LISA 
RAITT WHO ARE UP THERE ON THE 
STAGE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT IS 
VERY CLOSE, SO WE HAVE BEEN 
TALKING ALL EVENING ABOUT JUST 
HOW CLOSE THINGS COULD BE, THAT 
THE SENSE WAS FOR MOST OF THE 
CAMPAIGNS, PARTICULARLY ON THE 
FIRST BALLOT, THAT IT COULD BE 
CLOSE.
AND I WOULDN'T TO MAKE SURE I 
DOUBLE CONFIRM AND TRIPLE 
CONFIRM MY NUMBERS, BUT THE 
SENSE THAT I HAVE FROM MORE THAN
ONE CAMPAIGN RIGHT NOW IS THAT 
IT IS EXTREMELY CLOSE, MOST 
ESPECIALLY BETWEEN PETER MacKAY 
AND ERIN O'TOOLE, WHICH OF 
COURSE COULD -- WHICH WOULD SEND
US INTO A SECOND BALLOT IF NOT A
THIRD, AND ALSO MAKES FOR A VERY
DYNAMIC RACE ONCE WE GET TO IT, 
WHEREVER THAT PORTION OF THE -- 
WHENEVER THAT PORTION OF THE 
EVENING BEGINS.
IT COULD, IN FACT, SUBSTANTIATE 
SO MUCH OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD 
DISCUSSED GOING INTO THIS 
EVENING AND THROUGHOUT THE 
CAMPAIGN AND MOST ESPECIALLY IN 
THE LAST FEW WEEKS, AND EVEN AS 
I SAID A FEW MINUTES AGO IN 
THOSE CONVERSATIONS I WAS HAVING
TODAY, JUST IN THE SENSE FROM 
THE O'TOOLE CAMPAIGN BASED ON 
THEIR EXIT POLLING THAT THEY 
WERE DOING VERY WELL AND THE 
NERVES, DESPITE THE MOMENTUM DUE
TO FUNDRAISING INCREASES IN THE 
PAST NUMBER OF WEEKS FROM MacKAY
CAMPAIGN, THE NERVES THAT THEY 
WERE EXPRESSING TODAY JUST SORT 
OF THE LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY 
AROUND THE RESULTS AND THE 
CONSIDERATIONS AROUND HOW CLOSE 
IT COULD BE.
SO WE'RE STILL ON PINS AND 
NEEDLES WAITING TO SEE -- 
WAITING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN 
THIS FIRST BALLOT, WHENEVER IT 
DOES GET ANNOUNCED, BUT I AM 
HEARING IT IS PRETTY CLOSE. 
>> Rosemary: OKAY.
AND AS VASSY SAID, WE WILL MAKE 
SURE WE HAVE ALL THOSE NUMBERS 
REALLY SOLIDLY SOURCED BEFORE WE
GIVE YOU ANY NUMBERS.
ANDREW COYNE HELPFULLY REMINDS 
US ON TWITTER THAT IT'S BEEN 45 
MINUTES SINCE THE 15-MINUTE 
WARNING.
JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF HOW 
THIS HAS UNFOLDED.
15 MINUTES, WHAT'S 15 MINUTES IN
ALL OF THIS?
OKAY, WE ARE STILL WAITING HERE 
FOR THOSE BALLOT RESULTS.
MAYBE I'LL GO BACK TO HANNAH 
THIBEDEAU, IF I CAN.
SHE IS -- NO HANNAH, OKAY.
THAT'S FINE.
I'M GOING TO GO TO KORY.
DO WE HAVE KORY STANDING BY?
OKAY, LET'S GO TO KORY AS WE 
WAIT.
KORY, I'M GOING TO CUT YOU OFF 
IF ANYTHING STARTS TO HAPPEN, 
BUT YOU'LL FORGIVE ME.
>> YEAH.
>> Rosemary: WITHOUT GETTING 
INTO SPECIFICATION AROUND 
NUMBERS, EVEN IF YOU HAVE 
NUMBERS, BECAUSE I DO -- I DON'T
WANT TO PUT NUMBERS OUT THERE 
UNTIL WE'RE ALL CONFIDENT IN 
THEM.
ARE YOU HEARING, THOUGH, THAT 
THINGS ARE CLOSE?
>> YEAH, NO, I AM HEARING THAT 
THINGS ARE CLOSE, BUT I HAVE 
BEEN ANTICIPATING CLOSE ALL 
NIGHT.
IF THE NUMBERS, AS WE SAID SINCE
THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE SHOW, 
IF MacKAY IS UNDER 40%, HE'S IN 
DEEP TROUBLE.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST 
THING THAT I WOULD BE LOOKING 
FOR, AND THEN IT'S REALLY WHAT 
IS THE SPREAD BETWEEN THE OTHER 
CANDIDATES.
HOW BIG A HILL DOES THE PERSON 
IN NUMBER TWO HAVE TO CLIMB TO 
GET INTO FIRST PLACE, BUT ALSO 
THE SPREAD BETWEEN THOSE OTHER 
CANDIDATES, PARTICULARLY WHAT 
WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU WERE TO ADD 
TOGETHER SLOAN'S VOTES WITH 
LEWIS'S VOTES?
DOES THAT PROPEL HER INTO SECOND
PLACE?
IF THAT HAPPENS, IT'S REALLY 
ANYBODY'S GAME.
SO I THINK ALL THE PREDICTIONS 
OF A VERY CLOSE RACE SEEM TO BE 
BEING BORNE OUT THROUGH THE 
RUMOURS AND THINGS THAT HAVE 
BEEN FLYING AROUND THROUGH TEXT 
MESSAGES, ET CETERA, RIGHT NOW, 
THAT IF -- 
>> Rosemary: OKAY, I'M GOING TO 
CUT YOU OFF, KORY.
>> OKAY.
>> Rosemary: I'LL COME BACK TO 
YOU.
LET'S GO NOW TO THE SHAW CENTRE 
IN DOWNTOWN OTTAWA WHERE WE ARE 
HEARING FROM -- WELL, NOT 
JUST -- THE CO-CHAIRS OF THE 
LEADERSHIP COMMITTEE.
THIS IS DAN NOLAN, TO HIS LEFT, 
LISA RAITT.
>> -- MEMBERS' INTENTION IS 
BEING RECORDED PROPERLY, AND 
THAT'S WHY IT'S UNDER FULL 
SCRUTINY OF ALL THE SCRUTINEERS 
FOR ALL THE CAMPAIGNS AND UNDER 
THE SCRUTINY OF DELOITTE AND 
EVERYTHING.
[ FRENCH ]. 
[No Interpretation]
>> NOW THE MOMENT WE'VE BEEN 
WAITING FOR, DAN.
REMEMBER, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN 
AT HOME, THE NUMBER IS 16,901.
>> ALL RIGHT.
SO -- 
>> AND THE FIRST PLACE WE'RE 
GOING TO GO TO.
DO YOU WANT TO REPEAT IN FRENCH 
FOR ME, DAN?
>> ENFRANÇAIS. 
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
THE MAGIC NUMBER IS 16,901.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> HOW ARE YOU DOING OUT THERE, 
KATHY AND JAMES?
>> WE'RE DOING WELL, THANK YOU.
OH, HOLD ON.
>> YOU'RE UP.
>> THANK YOU, DAN, THANK YOU.
FINALLY WE HAVE NUMBERS.
VERY GOOD.
[ FRENCH ]. 
[No Interpretation]
.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
THE PROVINCE OF BRITISH COLUMBIA
HAS 4,200 POINTS, AND THESE ARE 
THE NUMBER OF POINTS RECEIVED.
LESLYN LEWIS, 1,047 POINTS.
PETER MacKAY, 1281 POINTS.
ERIN O'TOOLE, 1255 POINTS.
DEREK SLOAN, 617 POINTS.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> SO THERE ARE 4200 POINTS 
AVAILABLE IN THE PROVINCE OF 
BRITISH COLUMBIA.
LESLYN LEWIS HAS EARNED 1,047 
POINTS.
PETER MacKAY HAS EARNED 1,281 
POINTS.
ERIN O'TOOLE HAS EARNED 1,255 
POINTS.
DEREK SLOAN HAS EARNED 617 
POINTS.
AND THAT'S FROM BRITISH 
COLUMBIA.
>> THANK YOU, KATHY.
THANK YOU, JAMES.
>> MERCI, AND NOW WE WILL GO TO.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
AND NOW NEWFOUNDLAND AND 
LABRADOR.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> AND FOR THOSE OF YOU LOOKING 
AT HOME, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE 
BRITISH COLUMBIA RESULTS HAVE 
BEEN POSTED ON YOUR SCREEN.
>> JUDY AND SHARON, ARE YOU 
THERE TO GIVE US THE RESULTS 
FROM NEWFOUNDLAND?
>> WE'RE HERE.
>> EXCELLENT.
>> THERE ARE 700 POINTS 
AVAILABLE IN THE PROVINCE OF 
NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR.
IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER, EACH 
CANDIDATE HAS EARNED THE 
FOLLOWING: 
LESLYN LEWIS HAS EARNED 118 
POINTS.
PETER MacKAY HAS EARNED 282 
POINTS.
>> ERIN O'TOOLE -- YOU GOT ME?
ERIN O'TOOLE HAS EARNED 240 
POINTS.
DEREK SLOAN HAS EARNED 61 
POINTS.
>> MERCI.
[ FRENCH ]. 
[No Interpretation]
>> EXCELLENT.
THANKS VERY MUCH, DAN.
WE ARE NOW GOING TO GO TO 
ALBERTA.
SO SONIA AND DUSTIN, TELL US THE
RESULTS. 
>> THANKS, LISA AND DAN.
AND IN ALBERTA WE HAVE A TOTAL 
OF 3400 POINTS, AND IN 
ALPHABETICAL ORDER, LESLYN LEWIS
HAS EARNED 957 POINTS.
PETER MacKAY EARNED 826 POINTS.
ERIN O'TOOLE EARNED 1,084 
POINTS, AND DEREK SLOAN EARNED 
532 POINTS FOR A TOTAL OF 3400.
OVER TO YOU, DUSTIN.
>> [ FRENCH ]. 
[No Interpretation]
>> THANKS VERY MUCH, DUSTIN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SONIA.
AND THERE YOU HAVE THE RESULTS 
FOR ALBERTA PUT UP IN FRONT OF 
YOU AGAIN. 
OUR NEXT PLACE THAT WE'RE GOING 
TO BE GOING TO IS THE PROVINCE 
OF NOVA SCOTIA, AND WE'RE 
LOOKING FOR TARA AND CHRIS.
>> HI, THERE.
THERE ARE 1,100 POINTS AVAILABLE
IN THE PROVINCE OF NOVA SCOTIA.
IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER, EACH 
CANDIDATE HAS EARNED THE 
FOLLOWING: 
>> [ FRENCH ]. 
[No Interpretation]
>> LESLYN LEWIS HAS EARNED 160 
POINTS.
>> LESLYN LEWIS [ FRENCH ]. 
>> PETER MacKAY HAS EARNED 710 
POINTS.
>> PETER MacKAY [ FRENCH ]. 
>> ERIN O'TOOLE HAS EARNED 142 
POINTS.
>> ERIN O'TOOLE [ FRENCH ]. 
>> AND DEREK SLOAN HAS EARNED 88
POINTS.
>> DEREK SLOAN [ FRENCH ]. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND NOW 
WE WILL GO TO NORTHERN CANADA, 
TO DAVID CONNOLLY.
[ FRENCH ]. 
DAVID, ARE YOU THERE?
>> DAVID'S GOING TO BE 
ANNOUNCING, OF COURSE, FOR 
NUNAVUT, NORTHWEST TERRITORIES 
AND FOR YUKON.
THE THREE WILL BE INCLUDED IN 
ONE ANNOUNCEMENT WITH DAVID.
>> OKAY, DAVID, ARE YOU THERE?
>> YES, I AM.
>> ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD.
>> GOOD EVENING FROM THE NORTH 
AND THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR 
PATIENCE IN HANGING IN THERE 
THIS EVENING.
THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 300 POINTS 
AVAILABLE FROM THE COMBINED 
THREE NORTHERN TERRITORIES OF 
NUNAVUT, THE NORTHWEST 
TERRITORIES AND THE YUKON.
LESLYN LEWIS HAS EARNED 90 
POINTS.
PETER MacKAY HAS EARNED 111 
POINTS.
ERIN O'TOOLE HAS EARNED 65 
POINTS, AND DEREK SLOAN HAS 
EARNED 35 POINTS.
34 POINTS, I CORRECT, 34 POINTS.
[ FRENCH ]. 
[No Interpretation]
>> THANK YOU, DAVID.
>> [ FRENCH ]. 
NEXT WE'RE GOING TO THE 
BEAUTIFUL PROVINCE OF PRINCE 
EDWARD ISLAND, AND WE'RE GOING 
TO PAT AND GAIL.
ARE YOU THERE?
>> WE ARE.
AND THERE ARE 400 POINTS 
AVAILABLE IN THE PROVINCE OF 
PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND.
IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER, EACH 
CANDIDATE HAS EARNED THE 
FOLLOWING.
LESLYN LEWIS HAS EARNED 96 
POINTS.
>> PETER MacKAY HAS EARNED 206 
POINTS.
>> ERIN O'TOOLE HAS EARNED 55 
POINTS. 
>> AND DEREK SLOAN HAS EARNED 43
POINTS.
>> MERCI BEAUCOUP.
IN FRENCH . . . 
[ FRENCH ]
. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OUR NEXT PROVINCE IS WE'RE GOING
TO THE PROVINCE OF SASKATCHEWAN 
WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE HEARING 
FROM KELLY BLOCK AND RANDY 
HOBACK.
SO KELLY AND RANDY, DO WE HAVE 
YOU ON THE LINE YET?
>> THANK YOU, LISA.
IN SASKATCHEWAN WE HAVE 1400 
POINTS IN PLAY, AND THE RESULTS 
IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER ARE: 
LESLYN LEWIS, 554 POINTS.
PETER MacKAY, 224 POINTS.
ERIN O'TOOLE, 369 POINTS.
AND DEREK SLOAN, 252 POINTS.
OVER TO YOU, KELLY.
>> [ FRENCH ]. 
[No Interpretation]
>> MERCI BEAUCOUP.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND NOW WE 
WILL GO TO BEAUTIFUL NEW 
BRUNSWICK.
MONICA AND MEL.
ARE YOU THERE?
WE'RE JUST . . . 
WE ARE JUST GETTING THEM.
>> AS WE'RE WAITING, WE HAVE 
SASKATCHEWAN, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK
AGAIN AT THE RESULTS THAT WE 
HAVE THERE FOR SASKATCHEWAN.
LESLYN LEWIS, 554, ERIN O'TOOLE,
369, DEREK SLOAN, 252 AND PETER 
MacKAY, 224.
>> OKAY.
AND WE HAVE MEL NORTON FROM NEW 
BRUNSWICK.
MEL, ARE YOU THERE?
>> I AM, DAN, AND THANK YOU, 
EVERYONE, FOR HANGING IN WITH 
US.
IN NEW BRUNSWICK THERE ARE 1,000
POINTS AVAILABLE FROM OUR 
PROVINCE.
IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER, EACH 
CANDIDATE HAS EARNED THE 
FOLLOWING.
LESLYN LEWIS HAS EARNED 204 
POINTS.
PETER MacKAY HAS EARNED 533 
POINTS.
ERIN O'TOOLE HAS EARNED 153 
POINTS.
AND DEREK SLOAN HAS EARNED 110 
POINTS.
>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY 
MUCH, MEL.
IN FRENCH . . . 
[ FRENCH ]. 
[No Interpretation]
>> GREAT, AND OUR NEXT PROVINCE,
AS WE TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE NEW 
BRUNSWICK RESULTS ONE MORE TIME,
OUR NEXT PROVINCE IS WE'RE GOING
TO MANITOBA, AND THERE WE HAVE 
CANDACE BERGEN AND HEATHER 
STEPHENSON.
>> THANKS VERY MUCH, LISA AND 
DAN.
THERE ARE 1400 POINTS AVAILABLE 
IN THE PROVINCE OF MANITOBA.
IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER, EACH 
CANDIDATE HAS EARNED THE 
FOLLOWING: 
LESLYN LEWIS HAS EARNED 360 
POINTS.
PETER MacKAY HAS EARNED 414 
POINTS.
ERIN O'TOOLE HAS EARNED 373 
POINTS.
AND DEREK SLOAN HAS EARNED 253 
POINTS.
>> MERCI BEAUCOUP.
IN FRENCH . . . 
[ FRENCH ]. 
[No Interpretation]
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
NOW WE'LL GO TO QUEBEC.
ALAIN AND MARIE JOSE, ARE YOU 
THERE?
>> YES, HELLO.
>> HELLO. 
>> SO FOR THE PROVINCE OF 
QUEBEC, WE HAVE 800 POINTS.
FOR LESLYN LEWIS, 781 POINTS.
FOR PETER MacKAY, 2685 POINTS.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> FOR ERIN O'TOOLE -- 
DR DEREK SLOAN, 802 POINTS.
>> EXCELLENT, THANK YOU VERY 
MUCH.
MARIE JOSE.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
SO FOR QUEBEC WE HAVE THE 
NUMBERS UP THERE FOR ERIN 
O'TOOLE, PETER MacKAY, DEREK 
SLOAN AND LESLYN LEWIS.
AND GOING TO OUR FINAL PROVINCE,
WE'RE HEADING BACK HERE TO 
ONTARIO WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE 
MINISTER CAROLINE MULRONEY AND 
GARY CLEMENT.
>> MERCI BEAUCOUP, LISA AND DAN.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 2,100 POINTS.
EACH CANDIDATE HAS EARNED THE 
FOLLOWING POINTS.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> THERE ARE 12,100 POINTS 
AVAILABLE IN THE PROVINCE OF 
ONTARIO.
IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER, EACH 
CANDIDATE EARNED THE FOLLOWING.
LESLYN LEWIS EARNED 2,557 
POINTS.
PETER MacKAY EARNED 4,056 
POINTS.
[REPEATED IN FRENCH]. 
ERIN O'TOOLE EARNED 3,414 
POINTS.
[REPEATED IN FRENCH]. 
DEREK SLOAN EARNED 2,073 POINTS.
[REPEATED IN FRENCH]. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE THAT.
SO IN ONTARIO, PETER MacKAY, 
4,056, ERIN O'TOOLE 3414, LESLYN
LEWIS 2557 AND DEREK SLOAN, 
2,073.
AND WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO 
SEE A LIVE SHOT FROM THE 
CANDIDATES' SUITES.
AND WE'RE GOING TO PULL THAT UP 
FOR YOU AS WE ANNOUNCE THE 
RESULTS FOR THE NATIONAL VOTE.
SO DAN, OVER TO YOU.
>> PETER MacKAY, [ FRENCH ]. 
[No Interpretation]
>> SO ON THIS NATIONAL BALLOT, 
IN ENGLISH, MR. MacKAY, 11,328 
VOTES.
MR. O'TOOLE, 10,681 VOTES.
MS. LEWIS, 6,925 VOTES.
MR. SLOAN, 4,864 VOTES.
MR. SLOAN DROPS OFF THE BALLOT, 
AND WE MOVE TO A SECOND BALLOT.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, THAT IS THE 
FIRST BALLOT RESULTS FOR THE 
CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA.
YOU CAN SEE THERE PETER MacKAY 
IS IN THE LEAD.
ERIN O'TOOLE SECOND, LESLYN 
LEWIS THIRD, DEREK SLOAN COMES 
IN LAST, AND SO HE DROPS OFF THE
BALLOT.
WE ARE NOW GOING TO GO TO SECOND
BALLOT RESULTS, BUT LET ME TELL 
YOU THAT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT 
THESE NUMBERS, THIS IS A -- NOT 
AS STRONG A PERFORMANCE AS PETER
MacKAY WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEE, 
AND IT IS AN EXTREMELY STRONG 
PERFORMANCE FROM LESLYN LEWIS.
SO WE WILL SEE HOW THIS NEXT 
BALLOT UNFOLDS.
LET'S LISTEN IN, BACK TO THE 
CO-CHAIRS NOW.
THE BALLOT RESULTS WILL COME 
FROM LISA RAITT AND DAN NOLAN.
THE SECOND BALLOT RESULTS, IN 
THE MEANTIME, IF I CAN, I'LL 
BREAK AWAY IF I HAVE TO IN ORDER
FOR US TO GET THIS SECOND BALLOT
RESULTS.
LET'S BRING IN MY COLLEAGUES, 
VASSY, CATHERINE AND HANNAH.
LET'S START WITH YOU, VASSY.
SO THIS IS -- JUST IN TERMS OF 
PERCENTAGES, PETER MacKAY HAS 
33%, 33.5% OF THE VOTE.
LESLYN LEWIS, 20.4% OF THE VOTE.
DEREK SLOAN DROPS OFF WITH JUST 
OVER 14% OF THE VOTE.
SO THAT IS A VERY LOW NUMBER FOR
PETER MacKAY.
HE WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED WITH 
THAT, AND IT WOULD INDICATE 
CONCERNS MOVING FORWARD, I 
THINK.
>> Vassy: YES, ENTIRELY 
ACCURATE, ROSIE.
THAT'S A TERRIBLE NUMBER FOR THE
MacKAY CAMPAIGN.
THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO PUT IT.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON I TALKED TO 
SAID THEY WERE LOOKING TO CLEAR 
40 IN ORDER TO BE ENCOURAGED 
EVEN IN THE EVENT OF A SECOND 
BALLOT.
THIS IS AN EXTREMELY TIGHT RACE 
BETWEEN ERIN O'TOOLE AND PETER 
MacKAY, AND I'VE GOT TO SAY, THE
STORY APPEARS TO BE LESLYN 
LEWIS, JUST AS MANY, LIKE KORY, 
HAD PREDICTED COMING IN IT LOOKS
LIKE HER MOMENTUM HAS CERTAINLY 
TRANSLATED.
THIS IS -- I MEAN, THIS HUGELY 
CHANGES THE DYNAMIC I THINK 
GOING FORWARD.
THIS IS -- IT IS POSSIBLE THAT 
ERIN O'TOOLE OR LESLYN LEWIS 
WINS THIS RACE.
IT SEEMS A LOT LESS POSSIBLE 
THAT PETER MacKAY DOES, JUST 
BECAUSE OF WHERE SECOND PLACE 
SUPPORT MIGHT ALIGN, AND JUST 
SOME OF THE RESULTS THAT WE SAW 
COME OUT THERE, O'TOOLE'S 
MASSIVE WIN IN QUEBEC, FOR 
EXAMPLE, REALLY STUCK OUT TO ME.
PETER MacKAY, UNSURPRISINGLY, 
REALLY TOOK OUT EAST, BUT LESLYN
LEWIS NOT ONLY PLACED EXTREMELY 
WELL IN ALBERTA WITH ERIN 
O'TOOLE COMING UP AHEAD OF HER, 
BUT ALSO TOOK SASKATCHEWAN, 
WHICH IS FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT AS 
WELL, SO I JUST THINK THAT 
THE -- LOOK, IT'S HARD TO SEE 
EXACTLY WHERE THIS GOES, BUT IT 
LOOKS VERY PROMISING FOR ERIN 
O'TOOLE, ESPECIALLY JUST GIVEN 
HOW SMALL -- I MEAN, ERIC WAS 
TALKING ABOUT PREVIOUS TO THIS 
TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE, 
RIGHT, OF THE GAP BETWEEN THE 
CANDIDATES.
IT'S A TWO-POINT GAP BETWEEN 
PETER MacKAY AND ERIN O'TOOLE 
AFTER THAT FIRST -- AFTER THAT 
FIRST BALLOT, AND YOU CAN SEE 
INSIDE THERE I THINK THAT'S BEEN
THE MacKAY CAMPAIGN ROOM.
THEY LOOK PRETTY SERIOUS RIGHT 
NOW.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, THEY 
CERTAINLY DO.
MAYBE WE CAN ALSO PULL UP THE 
ERIN O'TOOLE ROOM, IF THAT'S 
POSSIBLE FOR THE CONTROL ROOM, 
BECAUSE THAT MAY GIVE US A SENSE
OF HOW THEY ARE FEELING ABOUT 
THINGS.
THAT'S ERIN O'TOOLE THERE 
HANGING OUT WITH HIS FAMILY AS 
THEY AWAIT SECOND BALLOT 
RESULTS.
I MEAN, I DO THINK REGARDLESS OF
HOW THIS NIGHT UNFOLDS, TO TAKE 
NOTHING AWAY FROM THE WINNERS, 
CERTAINLY, BUT THE PERFORMANCE 
BY LESLYN LEWIS, A PERSON WHO 
IS, I MEAN, VIRTUALLY UNKNOWN TO
MANY PEOPLE INSIDE THE PARTY, 
LET ALONE THE COUNTRY, TO 
PERFORM THIS STRONGLY, TO WIN IN
THE PROVINCE OF SASKATCHEWAN, 
FOR INSTANCE, IS A HUGE CREDIT 
TO HER AND TO HER TEAM.
WHAT WE WILL NEED TO SEE IN THIS
SECOND BALLOT ROUND IS IF DEREK 
SLOAN'S VOTE, WHICH IS 14% RIGHT
NOW, IF DEREK SLOAN'S VOTE THEN 
MOVES TO LESLYN LEWIS BECAUSE 
THEY HAVE SIMILAR BELIEFS.
SO WE WILL HAVE TO SEE WHAT 
HAPPENS WITH THAT.
AND IF WE EVEN GET TO A THIRD 
BALLOT.
BUT IT IS POSSIBLE WE WILL -- 
IT'S POSSIBLE WE MAY NOT GET 
THERE.
I WOULD PRESUME AT THIS POINT, 
VASSY, THAT EVERYBODY IN THESE 
ROOMS, OR THE LEADERS AT LEAST, 
THE CANDIDATES -- RATHER THE 
CANDIDATES KNOW THE RESULTS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT AS
WELL?
>> I THINK SO.
I WOULD -- YEAH, I WOULD EXPECT.
I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN, BUT 
LIKELY THERE -- THAT WOULD SEEM 
TO MAKE SENSE, AND YOU CAN SEE 
THAT REFLECTED A LITTLE BIT.
PETER MacKAY'S CAMPAIGN LOOKS 
PRETTY SERIOUS, PRETTY RESIGNED.
I'M NOT SURE -- WE'RE JUST 
GETTING A LOOK INSIDE ERIN 
O'TOOLE'S CAMPAIGN RIGHT NOW.
THAT FIRST BALLOT, I CAN'T SAY 
IT ENOUGH, THAT WAS REALLY BELOW
WHERE PETER MacKAY AS A 
CONSISTENT SORT OF PERCEIVED 
FRONTRUNNER THROUGHOUT THIS HAD 
ANTICIPATED THAT HIS CAMPAIGN 
WOULD BE AND WHERE PEOPLE WHO 
RAN HIS CAMPAIGN ANTICIPATED IT 
WOULD BE AS WELL.
THAT IS A GOOD RESULT FOR ERIN 
O'TOOLE AND ONE THAT CERTAINLY 
ENCOURAGES HIS CAMPAIGN.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, AND I THINK 
FAIR TO SAY THAT PETER MacKAY 
PROBABLY UNDER-PERFORMED IN 
PLACES LIKE ONTARIO AND IN 
QUEBEC.
CERTAINLY THE O'TOOLE ROOM SEEMS
TO BE IN A MUCH HAPPIER MOOD.
WHETHER THAT'S INDICATIVE OF 
ANYTHING, I DON'T KNOW.
CATHERINE, LET ME BRING YOU IN 
TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE HEARING AS WE
WAIT FOR THESE SECOND BALLOT 
RESULTS ON WHO WILL BECOME THE 
NEXT LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL 
OPPOSITION.
WHAT ARE YOU HEARING, CATHERINE?
>> Catherine: THE OTHER THING I 
WOULD JUST NOTE IS THAT IT IS 
ACTUALLY A RELATIVELY STRONG 
PERFORMANCE IN TERMS OF THE 
RANGE OF WHAT WAS EXPECTED FOR 
DEREK SLOAN.
NOW HE IS DROPPING OFF THE 
BALLOT, BUT IT'S STILL IMPORTANT
TO NOTE, THIS BIG QUESTION OF 
WHERE THAT SUPPORT IS GOING TO 
GO.
AS VASSY SAID, WE WOULD EXPECT 
THAT A LOT OF IT WOULD CONTINUE 
ON TO LESLYN LEWIS, ALTHOUGH 
THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
I WOULD SAY ALL THE VOTERS, HIS 
IS PERHAPS THE MOST 
UNPREDICTABLE, AND THEN DOES 
THAT CONTINUE ON TO ERIN O'TOOLE
WHO DID MAKE A DIRECT APPEAL 
DURING THIS CAMPAIGN TO SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVES, SAYING I WANT 
YOUR VOTE, YOU KNOW.
ESSENTI I THINK SHE WAS ABLE TO 
PERFORM EXTREMELY WELL IN THE 
LAST LITTLE BIT WHEN IT CAME TO 
FUNDRAISING TO GETTING THROUGH 
TO THE MEMBERSHIP, TO SHOW THAT,
YEAH, SHE IS SOMEONE TO BE TAKEN
SERIOUSLY WITHIN THIS PARTY, BUT
THAT PATH TO VICTORY FOR PETER 
MacKAY LOOKS PRETTY SLIM AT THIS
POINT, AND YOU CAN TELL THAT 
THEY ARE NOT FEELING GOOD WITH 
THE NUMBERS THAT THEY GOT, 
BECAUSE ANYTHING BELOW 40 WAS 
NOT GOING TO BE GOOD FOR HIM.
>> Rosemary: NO.
I WOULD ASSUME TOO, I DON'T KNOW
IF ANYONE'S TOLD YOU THIS, 
HANNAH, I WOULD ASSUME THEY HAVE
SOME KNOWLEDGE OF THESE NUMBERS.
THEY MAYBE HAVEN'T SHARED IT 
WITH THE WHOLE ROOM, BUT THEY 
CERTAINLY WOULD KNOW SOMETHING, 
WOULD THEY NOT?
>> Hannah: WHAT I WAS TOLD, AND 
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FACT 
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO TRY TO KEEP
THIS -- THEY -- WHAT I WAS TOLD 
IS THAT THE LEADERSHIP TEAMS 
FOUND OUT THE NUMBERS WHEN WE 
FOUND OUT THE NUMBERS.
WHETHER THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, I'M 
NOT 100% SURE.
>> Rosemary: SURE.
>> Hannah: BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS
TOLD.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO 
SAY, ANYWAY.
I THINK THEY HAVE PRETTY MUCH A 
GOOD FEEL FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING 
NOW.
>> Rosemary: YES, EVEN JUST 
SEEING THOSE FIRST NUMBERS, THEY
WOULD KNOW HOW THINGS ARE GOING 
TO PLAY OUT IN TERMS OF WHERE 
THE NEXT -- WHERE THE NEXT VOTE 
GOES.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DELAY IS 
HERE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT, HANNAH.
APPRECIATE IT.
NOT SURE WHAT THE DELAY HERE IS 
FOR THE SECOND ROUND BALLOT.
I'M NOT SURE IF THEY ARE TRYING 
TO BUILD OUT SOME DRAMA.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED MORE, BUT 
WE'LL GET THE SECOND BALLOT 
RESULTS VERY, VERY SOON.
BUT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE, I 
DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A BOARD OR
IF WE CAN PUT THOSE NUMBERS UP 
SOMEWHERE, WE'LL WORK ON THAT SO
PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT THEM AS WE 
WAIT FOR THE SECOND ONE, BUT 
DEREK SLOAN HAS BEEN ELIMINATED 
IN THIS FIRST ROUND, FIRST ROUND
OF BALLOTS.
THAT IS NOT SURPRISING -- OH, 
THERE YOU GO.
LOOK.
ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE.
PETER MacKAY THERE WITH JUST 
OVER 33% OF THE VOTE.
THAT'S MORE THAN -- RATHER NOT 
NEAR WHAT HIS CAMP WAS 
PREDICTING OR HOPING FOR.
ERIN O'TOOLE IS IN SECOND PLACE 
WITH 31.6% OF THE POINTS.
THAT IS FOR ERIN O'TOOLE A GOOD 
SHOWING BECAUSE HE, OF COURSE, 
BELIEVED THAT HE PROBABLY HAS 
MORE DOWNBALLOT SUPPORT THAN 
PETER MacKAY DOES.
AND LESLYN LEWIS, AN IMPRESSIVE 
SHOWING FOR A WOMAN WHO WAS 
CERTAINLY NOT KNOWN TO ME BEFORE
THIS RACE AND PROBABLY NOT KNOWN
TO MANY CONSERVATIVES AS WELL.
SHE HAS COME IN AT 20.49%, AND 
AS I SAID, DEREK SLOAN ACTUALLY 
PERFORMING PROBABLY, AS 
CATHERINE MENTIONED THERE, A 
LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN HE HAD 
EXPECTED.
WE THOUGHT HE WOULD MAYBE GET 
AROUND 10%.
HE'S AT 14%.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF HIS 
SUPPORT, THOUGH, WOULD GO TO -- 
WOULD GO TO LESLYN LEWIS.
I THINK ERIC IS ALREADY 
CRUNCHING THOSE NUMBERS.
ERIC GRENIER SAYS 63% OF SLOAN'S
VOTERS RANKED LEWIS SECOND.
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS MIGHT 
THEN PLAY OUT ON THE SECOND 
ROUND BALLOT.
WE SHOULD LOOK FOR PROBABLY I 
WOULD SAY WE'RE HEADING TOWARDS 
THREE BALLOTS.
WE SHOULD LOOK FOR SOMEONE TO 
FALL OFF HERE ON THE NEXT ONE, 
AND WE'RE PROBABLY HEADED FOR 
THREE.
DIFFICULT TO SEE, THOUGH, HOW 
PETER MacKAY PULLS THIS OFF.
BUT I SUPPOSE ANYTHING IS STILL 
POSSIBLE.
LET ME BRING IN KORY TENEYCKE AS
WE WAIT FOR THE UPDATE ON THE 
SECOND ROUND OF THE BALLOT.
OKAY, KORY, WE HAVE ACTUAL 
THINGS TO TALK ABOUT NOW. 
>> YEAH, WE DO.
>> Rosemary: THERE WE GO.
SO I THINK DISAPPOINTING FOR 
PETER MacKAY, TO SAY THE VERY 
LEAST. 
>> OH, HUGELY.
>> Rosemary: CAN YOU CAN SEE THE
BODY LANGUAGE IN THE ROOM IS 
INDICATIVE OF THAT, YEAH.
>> IT SHOWS YOU THE VALUE OF 
EXIT POLLING.
POLLING IN THESE RACES IS VERY 
DIFFICULT.
IT DIDN'T END UP WORKING OUT 
QUITE THE WAY THE O'TOOLE CAMP 
THOUGHT IT WAS, BUT THEIR 
CONFIDENCE WAS CLEARLY WELL 
PLAYED.
THE NUMBERS FOR THE MacKAY 
CAMPAIGN ARE ALMOST A WORST-CASE
SCENARIO, AND THE NUMBER THAT IS
PROBABLY THE WORST OF THEM IS 
THE NUMBER IN QUEBEC.
FOR MacKAY TO HAVE A PATH TO 
VICTORY, HE HAD TO DO VERY WELL 
IN QUEBEC, AND HE HAD TO RACK UP
[INDISCERNIBLE] IN PLACES LIKE 
QUEBEC, AND HE GOT BEAT IN 
QUEBEC.
>> Rosemary: WHO WON IN QUEBEC?
WAS IT O'TOOLE?
>> IT WAS O'TOOLE.
THAT'S A BIG SURPRISE.
NO ONE SAW THAT COMING, AND I 
REALLY THINK THAT AS WE GO 
THROUGH THESE NUMBERS IN THE 
NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS AND DO A 
MUCH DEEPER ANALYSIS, I THINK 
THE O'TOOLE CAMPAIGN REALLY 
PULLED A RABBIT OUT OF THE HAT 
THERE AND SURPRISED I THINK A 
LOT OF PUNDITS AND PEOPLE WHO 
HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS AND 
POLLSTERS WHO HAVE BEEN TRYING 
TO POLL.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO DO IN THESE 
KINDS OF RACES.
THEY TRIED TO LOOK AT THAT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SAW THAT 
KIND OF VICTORY COMING IN 
QUEBEC. 
BUT I SEE NO PATH TO VICTORY FOR
MacKAY RIGHT NOW.
>> Rosemary: NO?
>> AND I THINK IF I WERE THE -- 
AND YOU DON'T WANT TO START 
POPPING THE CHAMPAGNE CORKS TOO 
EARLY ON THIS, BUT I WOULD 
CERTAINLY BE CHILLING THE 
CHAMPAGNE IN THE O'TOOLE CAMP.
I DON'T SEE ENOUGH OF THE SLOAN 
VOTE GOING, AS ERIC WAS POINTING
OUT, ABOUT 60% OF IT IS SUPPOSED
TO BE GOING TO LEWIS IN THE 
SECOND BALLOT.
THAT'S JUST NOT QUITE ENOUGH TO 
GET AHEAD OF THE OTHER TWO 
CANDIDATES FOR LEWIS, BUT OH, MY
GOSH, LIKE, LESLYN LEWIS, YOU 
KNOW, SHOULD FEEL -- HER 
CAMPAIGN SHOULD FEEL EWE FORIC 
ABOUT THE NUMBERS THAT SHE 
EUPHORIC ABOUT THE NUMBERS THAT 
SHE RACKED UP.
WINNING SASKATCHEWAN, FINISHING 
STRONG RIGHT ACROSS THE BOARD.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NOBODY SAW
COMING.
MY LOOK AT THIS, I DON'T SEE A 
PATH TO VICTORY FOR MacKAY, AND 
I HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE SEEING 
AN OUTCOME THAT IS NOT AN 
O'TOOLE VICTORY.
>> Rosemary: LET ME ALSO SAY -- 
I MEAN, YOU WOULD EXPECT SLOAN 
SUPPORTERS NOW TO GO TO LEWIS ON
THE SECOND BALLOT, OR MANY OF 
THEM TO GO TO LEWIS ON THE 
SECOND BALLOT?
>> NOT NECESSARILY ALL OF THEM.
>> Rosemary: NO, FAIR ENOUGH.
>> MOST OF THEM.
>> Rosemary: BUT JUST BEFORE 
I -- BEFORE WE SAY GOOD-BYE TO 
DEREK SLOAN NOW, 14% IS ACTUALLY
PRETTY GOOD FOR HIM.
LIKE, WE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD 
GET THAT HIGH.
>> YEAH, IT'S VERY HIGH, AND 
IT'S SIGNIFICANT IN A COUPLE OF 
DIFFERENT WAYS.
LIKE, THE HARD CORE SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVE VOTE IN THE 
CONSERVATIVE PARTY IN THE LAST 
RACE WAS ROUGHLY 15%.
YOU GOT ALMOST 100% OF THAT HARD
CORE VOTE HIMSELF, AND I EXPECT 
AS WE LOOK AT THIS ANALYSIS A 
LOT MORE SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES 
TURNED OUT IN THIS RACE THAN DID
LAST RACE.
I EXPECT THAT'S IN PART BECAUSE 
OF THE FEELING THAT THEY WERE 
BEING MARGINALIZED IN THE PARTY 
AND THAT THIS WAS SORT OF AN 
EXISTENTIAL FIGHT FOR A ROLE FOR
THEM IN THE PARTY.
THEY CAME OUT IN 
STRONGER-THAN-EXPECTED NUMBERS.
THE SLOAN TOTALS, BASICALLY THE 
TOTALS FOR SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE 
SUPPORT IN THE LAST RACE.
CLEARLY LESLYN LEWIS WOULD HAVE 
GOT SOME SUPPORT FROM SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVES AS WELL.
SO YOU KNOW, I THINK MORE SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES CAME OUT THAN IN 
THE LAST ELECTION, LAST 
LEADERSHIP ELECTION, AND THEY 
REALLY MADE THEIR PRESENCE FELT.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, I'M NOT 
SURE IT'S ENOUGH TO ELECT A 
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE, BUT IT 
CERTAINLY WAS ENOUGH TO DEFEAT 
PETER MacKAY.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, YOU'RE 
CONFIDENT IN SAYING THAT?
YOU DON'T SEE ANY WAY FOR HIM TO
PULL IT OFF HERE IN TWO MORE 
BALLOTS?
>> THE FIRST COMMENT I MADE 
TONIGHT WHEN I GOT ON AIR IS IF 
HE'S NOT ABOVE 40 HE'S IN DEEP 
TROUBLE, AND HE'S NOWHERE CLOSE 
TO 40.
HE'S -- THAT'S THE SMELL OF 
BURNT TOAST IN THE AIR.
AND IT'S NOT GOOD.
IT'S THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO 
SNIFF AS A CANDIDATE AT THIS 
TIME OF NIGHT.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, SO IS IT -- 
SO WHO IS IT BETWEEN RIGHT NOW, 
THEN?
IS IT STILL BETWEEN MacKAY AND 
O'TOOLE?
>> I THINK IT'S BETWEEN LEWIS 
AND O'TOOLE.
I JUST THINK -- 
>> Rosemary: THAT'S CRAZY!
I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY 
IMPRESSIVE.
A WOMAN WHO'S NEVER BEEN M.P., 
WHO WASN'T -- I DON'T KNOW IF 
YOU KNEW HER.
YOU MAY HAVE KNOWN HER FROM THE 
CAMPAIGN WHERE SHE RAN, 
BUT . . . 
>> LOOK, I THINK SHE IS THE 
STORY OF THE CAMPAIGN, AND 
REALLY RAN A CAMPAIGN UNLIKE ANY
I'VE EVER SEEN IN TERMS OF 
GETTING THOSE RESULTS.
I THINK IT'S A REAL CREDIT TO 
THE PARTY.
I THINK IT SPEAKS TO A LOT OF 
THINGS.
IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE THAT SHE WIN
TONIGHT, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY, 
VERY DIFFICULT, BUT I THINK IT'S
VERY LIKELY SHE'LL FINISH 
SECOND.
I GUESS WE WILL SEE.
>> Rosemary: MM-HM. 
>> BUT THAT IS AN ACCOMPLISHMENT
THAT IS REALLY -- 
>> Rosemary: FOR SURE.
>> IF SHE PULLS IT OFF, IT'S 
UNPARALLELED, TOTALLY 
UNPRECEDENTED, AND IT SPEAKS 
WELL OF CONSERVATIVES.
IT SPEAKS WELL OF CANADA.
I THINK THE PEOPLE OF 
SASKATCHEWAN, MY HOME PROVINCE, 
SHOULD PAT THEMSELVES ON THE 
BACK FOR PUTTING HER IN FIRST.
I THINK THE ONLY PROVINCE THAT 
SHE FINISHED FIRST IN.
I THINK IT SPEAKS WELL OF A 
PARTY THAT IS OPEN TO TRYING TO 
MAKE SURE THAT ALL DIFFERENT 
KINDS OF PEOPLE ARE IN 
LEADERSHIP POSITIONS.
>> Rosemary: FOR SURE.
>> AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT 
WILL HELP THE PARTY OVERALL.
IT WILL HELP US IN EVERY CORNER 
OF THIS COUNTRY.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, AND I 
DON'T -- AND I DON'T MEAN A 
SLIGHT TO MS. LEWIS WHEN I SAY 
IT'S CRAZY, BUT IT IS REMARKABLE
THAT SOMEONE WHO HAS NEVER BEEN 
A POLITICIAN, WHO UNSUCCESSFULLY
RAN AND REPLACED A CANDIDATE WHO
WAS NOT WELL KNOWN TO SORT OF 
ESTABLISHMENT CONSERVATIVES, IF 
THERE IS SUCH A THING, WHO 
PROBABLY DIDN'T GET ENOUGH, YOU 
KNOW, MEDIA COVERAGE AS A 
CANDIDATE, IN SPITE OF ALL THOSE
THINGS, WAS NOT PERCEIVED AS A 
FRONTRUNNER, MANAGED TO RAISE 
THAT MUCH MONEY AND GAIN THIS 
MUCH SUPPORT IN THE FIRST 
BALLOT.
THAT SAYS REMARKABLE THINGS 
ABOUT HER TEAM AND CERTAINLY 
ABOUT HER AS A PERSON.
SO I MEAN, SHE WILL HAVE A 
FUTURE INSIDE THIS PARTY, RIGHT?
>> OH, FOR SURE.
LOOK, ROSIE, SHE SPOKE A LITTLE 
BIT OF FRENCH, EVEN A LITTLE BIT
OF FRENCH, SHE WOULD PROBABLY BE
THE LEADER TONIGHT.
SHE'S JUST -- I THINK SHE'S JUST
GOING TO END UP A TINY BIT 
SHORT, AND SPEAKING TO HER 
EARLIER ABOUT HER INABILITY TO 
COMMUNICATE IN FRENCH, I THINK 
IF SHE HAD THAT, EVEN A LITTLE 
BIT, THERE WAS A VERY GOOD 
CHANCE THAT SHE WOULD BE WALKING
OUT TONIGHT A WINNER. 
>> Rosemary: I'M SURE SHE'S 
GOING TO GET ON THOSE FRENCH 
LESSONS ASAP IF SHE HASN'T 
ALREADY DONE IT.
THANK YOU, KORY, FOR THAT.
WE'LL BE BACK ONCE WE KNOW 
SECOND ROUND RESULTS.
LET ME BRING BACK VASSY KAPELOS,
HOST OF "POWER & POLITICS," WHO 
HAS BEEN LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS 
MORE, TALKING TO PEOPLE MORE AS 
WE WAIT TO SEE HOW MANY BALLOTS 
THIS WILL TAKE.
IT CAN TAKE A MAXIMUM OF THREE 
BECAUSE THERE ARE FOUR 
CANDIDATES.
WE'RE DOWN TO THREE CANDIDATES 
NOW.
ONE HAS FALLEN OFF.
WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM PEOPLE
IN TERMS OF LIKELIHOOD OF THIS 
EVEN GOING TO THREE?
>> Vassy: YEAH, MY EXPECTATION 
IS THAT IT WILL LIKELY GO TO 
THREE.
THAT IS WHAT I'M HEARING.
AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'S REALLY 
IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE JUST HOW 
CLOSE ERIN O'TOOLE AND PETER 
MacKAY WERE.
SO PETER MacKAY FALLING WELL 
SHORT OF HIS CAMPAIGN'S 
EXPECTATIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, A 
CLEAR PATH TO VICTORY.
KORY HAD OUTLINED AND HE SAID IT
TOO RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF THE 
SHOW THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE 
SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD 
OF 40 OR EVEN ABOVE.
THIS IS NOT THAT, AND I THINK 
EVEN MORE SIGNIFICANTLY, IT'S 
NOT JUST UNDER 40, IT'S NOT JUST
UNDERPERFORMING WHERE THE MacKAY
CAMPAIGN WANTED IT TO -- 
>> Rosemary: OH, I'VE LOST VASSY
THERE AS WE GO TO SOME SHOT OF 
THE INSIDE OF THE CAMPS.
>> Vassy: OKAY, SORRY, YOU LOST 
ME.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
>> Rosemary: I GOT YOU NOW.
OFF YOU GO.
>> Vassy: I WAS JUST GOING TO 
SAY THAT THE TWO CAMPAIGNS, 
WHICH ARE SIDE BY SIDE 
CONVENIENTLY ON OUR SCREEN 
THERE, THE MARGIN BETWEEN THE 
TWO IS JUST SO SMALL THAT IT'S 
HARD NOT TO READ SOMETHING MORE 
SIGNIFICANT INTO THAT, AND I 
THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REASON 
THAT I DO ANTICIPATE THIS GOES 
TO A THIRD BALLOT.
IT'S ALSO PART OF THE REASON 
THAT I THINK THE MOMENTUM IS 
REALLY BEHIND ERIN O'TOOLE RIGHT
NOW AS SOME OF THOSE RESULTS 
TRULY FASCINATING, RIGHT?
THE RESULTS IN QUEBEC 
ESPECIALLY.
WE KNOW HOW MUCH WEIGHT QUEBEC 
AND ONTARIO HAVE.
THE RESULTS IN QUEBEC, VERY 
SIGNIFICANT.
WE HAD SEEN ONE OF HIS, YOU 
KNOW, TOP CAMPAIGN OFFICIALS I 
GUESS YOU COULD SAY SPEAKING 
WITH HANNAH EARLIER ABOUT THE 
EFFORTS IN QUEBEC.
THERE WAS A HUGE EFFORT MADE ON 
THE PART OF THE CAMPAIGN THERE.
NOT JUST ACROSS THE COUNTRY, BUT
SPECIFICALLY TO TARGET QUEBEC, 
AND IT LOOKS TO HAVE BEEN TO 
ERIN O'TOOLE'S ADVANTAGE TO DO 
SO.
HE WON THOSE SORT OF POINT 
SYSTEM THERE BY A PRETTY LARGE 
MARGIN.
SO I THINK THE MOMENTUM AT THIS 
POINT, AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE 
ANY PREDICTIONS, BUT I SEE IT 
GOING TO A THIRD BALLOT, AND I 
DEFINITELY SEE IT BEHIND 
O'TOOLE.
YOU CAN SEE JUST IN THE VISUAL 
THERE, THE DIFFERENT DYNAMICS IN
THE TWO CAMPAIGNS.
ONE A LOT MORE RESIGNED AND 
SERIOUS AND THE OTHER LOOKING A 
BIT MORE UPBEAT.
AS YOU AND KORY WERE DISCUSSING,
THE STORY OF LESLYN LEWIS IS A 
BIG ONE IN THIS CAMPAIGN.
NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS ON THE 
NEXT BALLOT, THE FACT THAT SHE 
CAME IN RELATIVELY, AND I'M 
GOING TO SAY THE WORD 
RELATIVELY, UNKNOWN AT LEAST 
COMPARED TO OTHER -- ESPECIALLY 
THE FRONTRUNNERS AND WAS ABLE TO
SECURE THE PROVINCE OF 
SASKATCHEWAN, FOR EXAMPLE, AND 
PLACE SO HIGHLY IN ALBERTA, TWO 
PROVINCES THAT SAW CONSERVATIVES
COME OUT EN MASSE IN THE LAST 
ELECTION.
I THINK IT'S ALSO REALLY 
IMPOSSIBLE TO DISCOUNT, AND SO I
THINK LIKE YOU AND KORY WERE 
SAYING, HER FUTURE IS A 
PRETTY -- WHATEVER SHE WANTS IT 
TO BE, I GUESS, IN THE 
CONSERVATIVE PARTY, BUT RIGHT 
NOW MY FOCUS IS WHAT THE NEXT 
BALLOT TELLS US ABOUT THE MARGIN
BETWEEN ERIN O'TOOLE AND PETER 
MacKAY, AND IF WE CONTINUE TO 
SEE IT AS CLOSE AS IT IS, IT WAS
IN THE FIRST BALLOT, THAT COULD 
MEAN A LOT MORE ERIN O'TOOLE IN 
THE THIRD BALLOT.
>> Rosemary: QUITE RIGHT.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THE 
HOLDUP IS WITH THE SECOND 
BALLOT, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE 
THE CONSERVATIVES TO COME OUT 
AND GIVE US THAT BECAUSE THEY 
OBVIOUSLY HAVE IT.
IT WOULD BE GOOD TO START 
GETTING IT AS WE NEAR 1 A.M. 
HERE.
JUST A COUPLE PERHAPS NOTES 
ABOUT ERIN O'TOOLE AND PETER 
MacKAY.
ERIN O'TOOLE, REMEMBER, HE WAS 
FIRST ELECTED IN 2012 IN A 
BY-ELECTION IN DURHAM.
HE DID SERVE AS A CABINET 
MINISTER.
WE TALK ABOUT PETER MacKAY AS A 
CABINET MINISTER.
ERIN O'TOOLE WAS A CABINET 
AMERICAN OF VETERANS AFFAIRS.
HE RAN IN THE 2017 LEADERSHIP 
RACE.
HE CAME IN THIRD IN THAT RACE.
HE WAS THE CRITIC OF FOREIGN 
AFFAIRS FOR THE PARTY BEFORE HE 
HAD TO REMOVE HIMSELF FROM THAT 
ROLE IN ORDER TO RUN.
FORMER MEMBER OF THE MILITARY, 
FORMER LAWYER, CORPORATE LAWYER,
AND HAS BEEN REALLY PUSHING 
HIMSELF AS SORT OF THE BLUE, 
TRUE BLUE CONSERVATIVE, IF YOU 
WILL.
PETER MacKAY, MAYBE BETTER KNOWN
JUST BECAUSE HE'S BEEN IN 
POLITICS LONGER, HE WON THE 
PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE 
LEADERSHIP BACK IN 2003, AND 
THAT OF COURSE WAS WHEN HE MADE 
THE DECISION, ALONG WITH HIS 
PARTY, TO MERGE IT WITH STEPHEN 
HARPER'S CANADIAN ALLIANCE TO 
FORM THE MODERN CONSERVATIVE 
PARTY, AS WE KNOW IT.
[PLEASE STAND BY]
-- HE DOES NOT HAVE A SEAT
INSIDE OF THE HOUSE AND I'M NOT
SURE IF HE HAS PROMISED TO RUN
AGAIN, REGARDLESS WHETHER HE
WINS TONIGHT.
THAT WOULD BE I THINK
SURPRISING.
BUT WE'LL WAIT TO HEAR FROM
OTHERS.
LET'S GO TO CATHERINE CULLEN NOW
AS WE AWAIT.
AND SO MY ABILITY TO SPEAK IS
STARTING TO WANE, CATHERINE.
DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF TIMING
HERE OF THE SECOND BALLOT?
BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, THEY HAVE
THE RESULTS AND I'M NOT SURE WHY
WE WON'T SPIT THEM OUT.
>> Catherine: YOU ASKED
EARLIER IF THE CAMPAIGNS KNEW
AND I SPOKE TO SOMEONE FROM THE
O'TOOLE CAMPAIGN WHO SAID THEY
DON'T KNOW, THEY DON'T KNOW AND
THEY'RE POINTING OUT TO ME THAT
THERE'S STILL A PATH TO VICTORY
FOR LESLYN LEWIS AT THIS POINT.
BUT OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN SEE FROM
THE BUOYANT MOOD IN THE ROOM
THAT THEY'RE OPTIMISTIC AT VERY
BEST IF SOMEBODY HASN'T GIVEN
THEM A HEADS UP.
THEY ARE SAYING THAT THIS
MATCHES THEIR PROJECTIONS VERY
WELL.
WE TALKED DURING THE SHOW ABOUT
THE EXIT POLLING THAT PARTICULAR
TEAM DID.
SO THEY REALLY WERE FOLLOWING UP
ON THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY LIST,
THOSE THEY KNEW WHO HAD VOTED
AND TRY TO GET A SENSE WHERE
THEY WERE LANDING AND THIS ALL
FEELS GOOD TO THEM.
AND TALKED EARLIER ABOUT ERIN
O'TOOLE AND HIS SUCCESS IN
QUÉBEC AND WHAT A GOOD THING
THAT IS.
THE QUESTION REMAINS HOW MUCH OF
THIS VOTE WILL CARRY OVER, BUT,
YOU KNOW, LOTS OF BIG SMILES ON
THE O'TOOLE FAMILY FACES THAT WE
SAW THERE.
THEY HAVE REASON TO FEEL GOOD
AND LESLYN LEWIS' PEOPLE, THEY
ARE FEELING GOOD AS WELL, THOUGH
THEY DON'T SEE THE SAME LEVEL OF
ENTHUSIASM.
WE HAVE THE O'TOOLE HEADQUARTERS
UP ON THE SCREEN AND HIS
CAMPAIGN MANAGER IN THE CORNER,
FRED DELOREY, WHO SPOKE TO
HANNAH EARLIER NEXT TO HIM.
THAT'S HIS PRINCIPAL SECRETARY,
AND SASHA IS SOMEONE WHO HAS
BEEN ON PARLIAMENT HILL WITH HIM
FOR QUITE A LONG TIME AND HIS
WIFE AND TWO CHILDREN AND I
THINK THAT IS HIS DAD AND
STEP-MOTHER.
AND I MIGHT NAME ALL OF THE
MEMBERS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY
FEELING PRETTY GOOD AND THIS IS
A DAY THEY HAVEN'T JUST PLANNING
EIGHT MONTHS FOR, THE PEOPLE
SURROUNDING ERIN O'TOOLE ARE
VERY CLEAR THEY TRIED TO TAKE AS
MANY LESSONS AS THEY COULD FROM
THE 2017 CAMPAIGN.
THEY FEEL THEY HAD A PATH TO
VICTORY BUT THEY REFINED THINGS.
>> Rosemary: DO WE HAVE SOME
RESULT COMING IN NOW?
>> THE TOTAL COUNTS BY EACH
LEADERSHIP CANDIDATE IN
CONNECTION WITH THE ELECTION
RESULTS.
AS A RESULT OF APPLYING THE
PROCEDURES WE FOUND NO
EXCEPTIONS.
HOWEVER, THESE PROCEDURES DO NOT
CONSTITUTE AN AUDIT OF THE
ELECTION RESULTS AND ACCORDINGLY
WE DO NOT EXPRESS AN OPINION ON
SUCH INFORMATION.
THANK YOU.
WITH THAT, DAN AND LISA, I'M
GOING TO GIVE YOU THE RESULTS
FOR ROUND TWO AND THREE.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, DORIAN.
IT'S VERY HELPFUL.
SO WE WILL -- SO FIRST THING TO
DO, [Speaking French]
(Voice of Translator): FIRST
WE WANT TO GIVE THE RESULTS OF
THE NATIONAL VOTE.
AND WE WILL DO THAT FOR THE
SECOND BALLOT.
ARE WE READY WITH THE RESULTS
FOR THE SECOND BALLOTS?
[end of translation]
READY WITH THE SECOND ROUND
RESULTS?
>> WE ARE READY TO GO.
>> OKAY.
OKAY.
[Speaking French]
LESLYN LEWIS.
[Speaking French]
PETER MacKAY.
[Speaking French]
ERIN O'TOOLE.
[Speaking French]
MADAM LEWIS.
[Speaking French] (Voice of
Translator): THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE
CAMPAIGN MISS LEWIS.
>> ROUND TWO, IN ALPHABETICAL
LEWIS, MISS LEWIS, 10,140.
MR. MacKAY, 11,1650.
AND MR. O'TOOLE, 11,923 POINTS.
MISS LEWIS FALLS OFF THIS BALLOT
AND WE GO TO THE THIRD AND I
THANK HER VERY MUCH FOR HER
PARTICIPATION IN THE LEADERSHIP
RACE.
>> Rosemary: OUR SECOND BALLOT
RESULTS, LESLYN LEWIS HAS FALLEN
OFF THE SECOND BALLOT.
YOU CAN SEE THE CHEERS IN THE
ERIN O'TOOLE ROOM AND THAT IS
BECAUSE THEY LIKELY KNOW WHERE
THIS THIRD BALLOT IS HEADING.
LET'S LISTEN IN NOW FOR THOSE
OFFICIAL RESULTS.
THE NEXT CONSERVATIVE PARTY
LEADER WILL BE KNOWN IN JUST
MOMENTS.
>> MR. MacKAY.
[Speaking French]
(Voice of Translator): 14,528
POINTS.
THE WINNER AND THE NEXT LEADER
OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY IS
ERIN O'TOOLE WITH 19,000 POINTS.
19271 POINTS, ERIN O'TOOLE IS
THE NEW LEADER OF THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA.
[Cheers and Applause]
>> IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT IS
COMING NEXT --
[Cheers and Applause]
>> Rosemary: OKAY, YOU ARE
OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT LIVE SHOTS
INSIDE ERIN O'TOOLE'S SUITE,
WHICH HAS HIS CAMPAIGN WORKERS
AND HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
ERIN O'TOOLE HAS BECOME CANADA'S
THIRD LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY AND NOW LEADER OF THE
OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
HE DID IT IN THREE BALLOTS AND
PULLED OFF A WIN THAT WHEN IT
CAME DOWN TO IT, WHEN IT CAME
DOWN TO THE FINAL BALLOT, HE HAD
A SIGNIFICANT LEAD.
WE'LL KEEP WATCHING THOSE SHOTS
FROM INSIDE OF HIS SUITE AS HIS
TEAM MEMBERS CELEBRATE.
ERIN O'TOOLE BECOMING THE THIRD
LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY
OF CANADA.
AND THE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL
OPPOSITION.
HE SAID THAT HE WAS READY TO
TAKE ON THAT JOB COME DAY ONE,
COME MONDAY, AND HE WILL HAVE TO
DO THAT.
PETER MacKAY FALLS OFF ON THE
THIRD BALLOT, AND THE PARTY THAT
HE HELPED TO FOUND COULD MEAN
THE END OF PETER MacKAY'S
POLITICAL CAREER.
LET'S GO TO VASSY KAPELOS NOW.
WE ARE HOPING TO HEAR FROM ERIN
O'TOOLE WITH A SPEECH TONIGHT.
AS YOU CAN SEE MANY OF THE
PEOPLE IN THAT ROOM ARE PRETTY
THRILLED WITH HOW THIS HAS
UNFOLDED.
A LONG CAMPAIGN AND A VERY LONG
NIGHT.
BUT ERIN O'TOOLE HAS DONE IT ON
THE THIRD BALLOT.
THAT WASN'T REALLY ALL THAT
CLOSE WHEN WE GOT DOWN TO THE
END IT, VASSY?
>> Vassy: NOT AT ALL.
AND I THINK THAT THE NUMBERS
THAT WE HAVE WITNESSED --
FINALLY I SHOULD SAY WITNESSED
-- DANIEL AND LISA RAITT'S
READOUT ARE PRETTY CONSEQUENTIAL
AND PRETTY INFORMATIVE AS WE
WILL NOW LOOK BACK ON HOW THIS
ENDED UP PLAYING OUT.
ERIN O'TOOLE I THINK THAT KORY
HAD MENTIONED THE EXIT POLLING.
AND YOU HEARD FRED DELOREY WITH
HANNAH SAYING THAT WE KNOW THAT
WE'VE GOT THIS, AND, IN FACT,
MANY PEOPLE FROM HIS CAMPAIGN
WERE TELLING ME A FEW HOURS
BEFORE OUR SPECIAL STARTED THEY
BELIEVED THEY WOULD WIN IT ON
THE THIRD BALLOT.
THEY WERE STILL A BIT NERVOUS A
LITTLE WHILE AGO AS CATHERINE
POINTED OUT THINKING THAT LESLYN
LEWIS STILL HAD A PATH TO
VICTORY.
BUT WHEN THEY SAW THOSE INITIAL
NUMBERS AND HOW CLOSE THEY WERE
TO MacKAY ON THE FIRST BALLOT
AND LEWIS PRETTY CLOSE TO THEM
ON THE SECOND, BUT ONCE SHE
DROPPED OFF IT BECAME PRETTY
EVIDENT THAT O'TOOLE WOULD WIN.
THIS IS A BIG VICTORY FOR
MR. O'TOOLE AND A BIT OF A
SURPRISE IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE
NARRATIVE RIGHT FROM THE START
OF THIS CAMPAIGN ABOUT PETER
MacKAY KIND OF PREPARING FOR
THIS RUN FOR SO LONG, SO MUCH OF
THE SPECULATION AND IT WAS HIM,
WHO, OF COURSE, ALMOST DERIDED
ANDREW SCHEER FOR NOT BEING ABLE
TO SCORE ON AN EMPTY NET, RIGHT,
IN THE LAST ELECTION.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ERIN
O'TOOLE HAD THROUGHOUT THE
CAMPAIGN CONTENDED THAT IT WAS A
LOT CLOSER THAN MOST PEOPLE
THOUGHT AND THAT IT WOULD BE
CLOSE IN THE END.
AND, CERTAINLY, NOT ONLY WAS IT
CLOSE, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE HIM
THERE HUGGING MEMBERS OF HIS
CAMPAIGN AND CELEBRATING, IT WAS
NOT REALLY THAT CLOSE IN THE
END.
IN FACT, HE WAS ABLE TO PULL OUT
A WIN.
THIS IS HIS THIRD TIME RUNNING
FOR LEADERSHIP OF THIS PARTY.
I AM NOT SURE HOW MANY -- YOU
KNOW, OF THE PARTY'S
ESTABLISHMENT WOULD HAVE GUESSED
THIS WOULD BE THE OUTCOME TODAY,
BUT CERTAINLY HIS CAMPAIGN WAS
ADAMANT AND RIGHT TO THAT EXIT
POLLING TODAY THEY HAD A GOOD
SHOT.
AND THAT, IN FACT, MORE THAN A
GOOD SHOT, APPARENTLY.
>> Rosemary: SO THE FINAL
PERCENTAGE IN TERMS OF HOW THAT
SHOOK DOWN, LET ME GO BACK AND
GET THIS RIGHT BECAUSE IT'S LATE
AT NIGHT AND I DON'T WANT TO
MAKE A MISTAKE HERE.
PETER MacKAY ENDED UP WITH
42%, 42.9% OF THE VOTE ON THE
THIRD ROUND.
AND ERIN O'TOOLE WITH 57% OF THE
VOTE.
SO, YES, A SIGNIFICANT WIN FOR
HIM AND FROM ÉRIC GRENIER WHO IS
ALREADY CRUNCHING THOSE NUMBERS,
HE SAYS THAT 56% OF THE
LEWIS-SLOAN VOTERS RANKED ERIN
O'TOOLE NEXT, SECOND OR ON THE
LAST BALLOT IF THEY DID PUT THAT
DOWN.
AND 15% OF THEM RANKED MacKAY
WHEREAS THE REST OF THEM RANKED
NEITHER.
SO, OBVIOUSLY, IT WAS THAT
LEWIS-SLOAN SUPPORT THAT
CLINCHED THIS FOR ERIN O'TOOLE.
IT DID NOT MATTER THAT PETER
MacKAY RAISED THE MOST MONEY,
IT DID NOT MATTER THAT PETER
MacKAY HAD THE MOST
ENDORSEMENTS FROM CAUCUS,
WHETHER M.P.s OR SENATORS.
IT WAS, IN FACT, THE ADDITIONAL
SUPPORT THAT ERIN O'TOOLE
MANAGED TO GARNER DOWN BALLOT
FROM LEWIS AND SLOAN SUPPORTERS
THAT PUSHED HIM OVER THE TOP AND
HAS NOW MADE HIM WITH A
SIGNIFICANT AND A DEFINING
VICTORY REALLY, ONE THAT HE CAN
CERTAINLY SAY THAT HE RIGHTFULLY
WALKED OFF WITH IN SPITE OF THE
COMPLICATIONS AROUND THE BALLOT.
ERIN O'TOOLE, THE NEXT LEADER OF
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA
AND THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY AND
IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE HOW HE
APPROACHES ALL OF THAT AND I
THINK THAT "AT ISSUE" WILL COME
UP BECAUSE I WANT THEM TO WEIGH
IN AS WELL.
IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE THAT
THE DOWN BALLOT SUPPORT, THE
PEOPLE WHO RANKED O'TOOLE AFTER
THEY RANKED SOMEONE ELSE FURTHER
DOWN ON THEIR BALLOT, THAT IS
THE THING THAT SEEMS TO HAVE
MADE A DIFFERENCE HERE FOR ERIN
O'TOOLE.
SO HE MUST BE THRILLED AND THE
OTHER PERSON WHO IS THRILLED IS
LESLYN LEWIS WHO MANAGED TO STAY
ON IN THE SECOND BALLOT AND DID
VERY, VERY WELL, GARNERING A LOT
OF SUPPORT IN PROVINCES ACROSS
THE COUNTRY.
AND HAS CERTAINLY MADE A NAME
FOR HERSELF IN THE PARTY AND CAN
LIKELY SORT OF DECIDE WHAT HER
FUTURE WILL BE INSIDE OF THAT
PARTY.
BUT THERE'S A STRONG MESSAGE TO
DR. LEWIS THAT SHE'S WELCOME IN
THE PARTY AND THEY WANT TO FIND
A PLACE FOR HER.
SO THAT WOULD BE HAPPY NEWS FOR
LESLYN LEWIS, WHO PROBABLY
DIDN'T EXPECT TO PERFORM LIKE
THIS WHEN SHE KICKED OFF HER
CAMPAIGN ALL OF THOSE MONTHS
AGO.
THE PERSON WITH THE WORST NIGHT
WHO WILL BE FEELING REALLY
DISAPPOINTED IN EVENTS IS
OBVIOUSLY PETER MacKAY WHO
HELPED TO START THAT PARTY MANY
YEARS AGO.
AND DESPITE WHAT MIGHT HAVE LED
US TO BELIEVE THAT HE MIGHT HAVE
HAD IT, IT SIMPLY DIDN'T HAPPEN
WITH VOTES AND POINTS ACROSS THE
COUNTRY.
LET ME BRING IN CATHERINE CULLEN
TO SEE WHAT CATHERINE CULLEN IS
HEARING -- VASSY, OKAY, I'LL GO
TO VASSY AND JUST HEAR IF YOU'RE
HEARING ANYTHING MORE.
I DON'T KNOW IF PETER MacKAY'S
CAMPAIGN WOULD SPEAK AT THIS
STAGE BUT THIS IS DISAPPOINTING
AND IT IS SO INTERESTING BECAUSE
THE NORMAL INDICATORS THAT WE
WOULD LOOK AT LIKE ENDORSEMENTS
AND LIKE MONEY, ALL OF THOSE
KINDS OF THINGS, THEY DON'T
ACTUALLY TELL THE WHOLE STORY IN
THESE KIND OF LEADERSHIP RACES
AND THAT'S WHAT PETER MacKAY
HAS LEARNED, UNFORTUNATELY,
TONIGHT.
>> Vassy: WE SEE EXAMPLES OF
THAT ALL OVER THE PLACE, MONEY
DOESN'T ALWAYS DICTATE AND
FUNDRAISING DOESN'T ALWAYS
INDICATE THE OUTCOME BUT WHEN
IT'S A RACE FOCUSED ON PARITY,
SOMETIMES YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT
THE CERTAINLY PUBLIC VIEWS THE
PEOPLE RUNNING FOR THAT CAN
IMPACT HOW WE PERCEIVE THE WAY
IN WHICH THE RACE MIGHT PLAY
OUT.
SO IN THIS CASE PETER MacKAY
IS PROBABLY BEST KNOWN OF THE
FOUR PEOPLE RUNNING TO THE
CANADIAN PUBLIC WRIT LARGE.
HE'S BEEN A LONG-TIME CAB MET
MINISTER AND A HIGH PROFILE
CABINET MINISTER AND FOR MANY
YEARS HERE IN OTTAWA AND IN NOV
SCOTIA.
SO RIGHT AWAY HE CAME OUT OF THE
GATES AS THE FRONT-RUNNER.
PLUS A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT HE
SAID THROUGHOUT MR. SCHEER'S
TENURE GOT A LOT OF PLAY AND
THERE WAS A LOT OF INTEREST AND
I REMEMBER BEING AT A CONVENTION
AND HE INTRODUCED MR. SCHEER AND
THE AUDIENCE WAS INCREDIBLY
RECEPTIVE AND VERY EAGER TO HEAR
FROM HIM.
SO IT SEEMED LIKE HE WAS WALKING
INTO SOMETHING IN WHICH HE WOULD
BE ANNOINTED, BUT TO GIVE CREDIT
WHERE CREDIT IS DUE, ERIN
O'TOOLE AND HIS CAMPAIGN RIGHT
FROM THE START FOUGHT BACK
AGAINST THAT NOTION, RIGHT?
VERY PRECISELY AND VERY
CONSISTENTLY THROUGHOUT THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT WILL BE
INTERESTING TO LOOK BACK ONCE
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, OFFICIALLY
OVER, AND LOOK INTO SORT OF THE
DIFFERENT TACTICS THAT THEY
EMPLOYED BECAUSE FROM MY
UNDERSTANDING THE O'TOOLE
CAMPAIGN WAS VERY BIG ON
PERSONAL PHONE CALLS AND
OUTREACH AND TRYING TO ENSURE
THAT THOSE MAIL-IN BALLOTS WERE
SENT IN AND THEY HAD A CERTAIN
TACTIC THAT THEY EMPLOYED.
AND THEY REGIONALLY FOCUSED IN
ON AREAS THAT WERE BENEFICIAL TO
THEM AND I HIGHLIGHT QUÉBEC
CHIEF AMONG THOSE REGIONS.
ERIN O'TOOLE WAS ABLE TO PERFORM
EXTREMELY WELL AND TAKE QUÉBEC
IN THE FIRST BALLOT AND BECAUSE
OF THE WAITING, BECAUSE OF THE
NUMBER OF RIDINGS THERE, TO BE
SIMPLE, THAT HAD A HUGE IMPACT
OVERALL ON THE PROGRESSION OF
THE VOTE TALLIES AS YOU WENT
DOWN THE LINE INTO THE THIRD
BALLOT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE ONLY -- I
HAVE ONLY HAD ONE TEXT, YOU'RE
RIGHT TO POINT OUT THAT FROM
PETER MacKAY'S CAMPAIGN AND
THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT TOO EAGER
TO TALK BUT THE PERSON SAYING
THEY ARE DISAPPOINTED AS IT
GETS.
AND THAT'S NOT A SURPRISE
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK -- I THINK
THAT THEY WERE EXPECTING EVEN A
BIT MORE CLOSELY FOUGHT OF A
RACE.
>> Rosemary: POLITICS IS A
ROUGH, ROUGH BUSINESS AND THAT'S
JUST UNFORTUNATELY THE WAY THAT
IT GOES SOMETIMES AND PEOPLE ARE
DISAPPOINTED.
DO WE HAVE HANNAH AND IS SHE
DOWN THERE?
DO WE KNOW?
YES, HANNAH?
OKAY.
LET ME GO TO HANNAH IF I CAN TO
SEE WHAT YOU'RE HEARING BECAUSE
I HAVEN'T HAD YOU WEIGH IN YET
ON THE RESULTS.
SO, GO AHEAD.
>> Hannah: WELL, HI, I AM
HEARING FROM ERIN O'TOOLE'S CAMP
AND YOU CAN HEAR THAT THEY ARE
EXTREMELY HAPPY.
AND I GOT ONE TEXT BACK AND IT
WAS SIMPLY POO, LIKE DARN FOR
THEM, RIGHT?
AND I THINK THAT ESSENTIALLY
THEY -- AS VASSY WAS SAYING TOO
THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THEY
THOUGHT THAT HE WAS IN THE LEAD
FROM THE VERY BEGINNING AND YOU
FELT THAT THERE WAS A DIFFERENT
FEEL THAT THEY SIMPLY DIDN'T
HAVE WHAT THEY NEEDED TO PUSH
HIM PAST THAT THRESHOLD.
AND THAT NUMBER THAT HE GOT ON
THE FIRST BALLOT WAS
DISAPPOINTING.
ANYTHING BELOW 40.5% WOULD BE
EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTING AND THE
NUMBERS IN QUÉBEC THEY THOUGHT
THAT THEY WOULD DO A LOT BETTER
THERE.
AND DO YOU THINK THAT LESLYN
LEWIS BEAT PETER MacKAY AND
THEY'LL PROBABLY LICK THEIR
WOUNDS FOR A BIT AND THEY DON'T
WANT TO TALK NOW BECAUSE THIS IS
ABOUT CELEBRATION FOR ERIN
O'TOOLE'S TEAM FOR SURE.
>> Rosemary: I'M GOING TO CUT
YOU OFF THERE BECAUSE WE'RE
SEEING ERIN O'TOOLE AND HIS WIFE
AND HIS TWO CHILDREN.
HIS WIFE REBECCA, IF I'M NOT
MISTAKEN, HIS CHILDREN, MOLLY
AND JACK.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I
GOT THEIR NAMES RIGHT AS WE
LEARN MORE ABOUT MR. O'TOOLE AND
HIS FAMILY.
THEY'RE WALKING NOW INTO THE
ROOM WHERE ERIN O'TOOLE IS
EXPECTED TO GIVE A VICTORY
SPEECH.
OF COURSE, SUCH AN UNUSUAL
SIGHT, JUST THIS PICTURE ALONE,
JUST TO SEE ALL FOUR MEMBERS OF
THE FAMILY WEARING MASKS AS WE
ALL HAVE TO DO THESE DAYS BUT
IT'S STILL BECOMING A REMARKABLE
MOMENT FOR -- FOR A NEW LEADER
OF THE POLITICAL PARTY IN A VERY
DIFFICULT TIME.
A COUNTRY DEALING WITH THE
PANDEMIC AND AN ECONOMIC
RECOVERY.
[Applause]
THERE'S ERIN O'TOOLE BEING
GREETED BY ANDREW SCHEER, THE
FORMER, THE OUTGOING, LEADER.
AND HIS WIFE, JILL.
EMBRACING REBECCA.
REBECCA O'TOOLE.
>> HEY, CONGRATS.
>> Rosemary: RELUCTANTLY --
WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO WHAT WE
SHOULD NOT BE DOING IN TERMS OF
SOCIAL DISTANCING.
BUT THERE WE GO.
LISA RAITT AND DAN NOWLAN
CONGRATULATING ERIN O'TOOLE AS
WELL.
OF COURSE THIS NORMALLY WOULD BE
A CONVENTION HALL FULL OF PEOPLE
CHEERING AND CLAPPING AND WITH
LOTS OF MUSIC BUT THIS IS WHAT A
CONVENTION LOOKS LIKE IN THESE
TIMES.
[indiscernible]
>> HELLO.
[indiscernible]
>> Rosemary: WE'RE
EAVESDROPPING NOW, KIND OF
BETWEEN ERIN O'TOOLE AND WHAT
ANDREW SCHEER ARE SAYING.
HE SAYS THIS IS SURPRISING,
THERE WERE SOME SURPRISING
MOMENTS HERE.
THIS IS WHAT HE WAS HOPING FOR
BUT INTERESTING IN THAT SHOT
THERE, OF COURSE, ERIN O'TOOLE
RAN AGAINST ANDREW SCHEER IN THE
LAST LEADERSHIP RACE AND LOST TO
HIM.
LISA RAITT WAS ALSO A CONTENDER
FOR THAT LEADERSHIP BACK IN
2017.
PROBABLY FAIR TO SAY AS WELL
THAT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
ERIN O'TOOLE AND ANDREW SCHEER
IS A BETTER ONE THAN THE ONE
BETWEEN ANDREW SCHEER AND PETER
MacKAY THE WAY THAT PETER
MacKAY HAD STRONGLY CRITICIZED
ANDREW SCHEER'S PERFORMANCE IN
THE LAST ELECTION, EVEN BEFORE
IT WAS CLEAR THAT HE WAS RUNNING
TO BE LEADER.
I WOULD SAY THAT THERE WAS
ANIMOSITY AROUND THOSE COMMENTS
THAT PETER MacKAY MADE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD
SEE THE SAME KIND OF MOMENT THAT
WE'RE SEEING HERE TONIGHT WHERE
ANDREW SCHEER SEEMED QUITE
CONTENT WITH WHO HAS PULLED THIS
OFF TONIGHT.
AND IT IS, OF COURSE, ERIN
O'TOOLE.
SO A FACE TO GET FAMILIAR WITH
ACROSS THIS COUNTRY IF YOU DON'T
KNOW HIM.
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY MEMBERS
KNOW HIM AND MANY CANADIANS AS
WELL AS A TIME AS A CABINET
MINISTER IN STEPHEN HARPER'S
GOVERNMENT AND SOMEONE AROUND
FOR A LONG TIME NOW.
WE ARE EXPECTING TO HEAR FROM
HIM TONIGHT IN A SPEECH TO
MEMBERS.
AND TO CANADIANS.
>> [indiscernible]
>> WE ARE READY?
>> Rosemary: A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT THAN A REGULAR
CONVENTION.
HERE WE GO.
THE NEXT LEADER OF THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA,
AND THE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL
OPPOSITION, ERIN O'TOOLE, MAKING
HIS FIRST SPEECH.
>> YOU HAVE BEEN PATIENT
THROUGHOUT THIS LEADERSHIP RACE,
AS CANADIANS HAVE BEEN THROUGH
COVID-19 AND CONSERVATIVES WERE
PATIENT AGAIN TONIGHT.
SO THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT
THROUGHOUT THIS LEADERSHIP RACE.
BUT I WANT TO START BY THANKING
MY FRIENDS, LESLYN LEWIS, DEREK
SLOAN, AND, OF COURSE, THE
HONOURABLE PETER MacKAY.
THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP FOR
OUR COUNTRY.
CONGRATULATIONS FOR THE
CAMPAIGNS YOU HAVE RUN, FOR THE
IDEAS YOU HAVE PUT FORWARD, AND
FOR THE CANADIANS THAT YOU HAVE
RECRUITED TO OUR CAUSE.
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING YOUR NAME
ON THE BALLOT, FOR LEAVING YOUR
FAMILY FOR WEEKS TO TRAVEL ALL
OVER THIS GREAT COUNTRY, WHETHER
ON THE GROUND OR IN A ROOM OF
YOUR HOUSE FOR HOURS OF ZOOM
CALLS.
THANK YOU FOR TALKING TO
CANADIANS ABOUT OUR COUNTRY, OUR
PARTY, AND IDEAS FOR A STRONGER
FUTURE.
THANK YOU FOR VALUING THE
GRASSROOTS MEMBERS OF OUR
MOVEMENT.
I WANT TO THANK MY INCREDIBLE
CAMPAIGN TEAM FROM
COAST-TO-COAST-TO-COAST.
WE HAVE BUILT A PASSIONATE TEAM
OF PATRIOTIC CANADIANS, AND YOUR
HARD WORK LED TO THIS VICTORY.
[Speaking French]
(Voice of Translator): THIS
RACE SHOWS THAT THE PARTY --
CONSERVATIVE PARTY IS A PARTY OF
IDEAS AND WITH PETER AND DEREK
AND MY OTHER COLLEAGUES, WE HAVE
PROVEN THAT.
THANK YOU TO ALL THREE OF YOU,
WE WILL CONTINUE THAT WORK
TOGETHER.
DURING THIS RACE I WAS VERY
PROUD TO TRAVEL RIGHT ACROSS THE
COUNTRY AND I MET HUNDREDS OF
QUÉBECERS IN MONTRÉAL,
TROIS-RIVIÉRES, QUÉBEC CITY, AND
THE SAGUENAY.
THANK YOU FOR GREETING ME AND
TALKING TO ME ABOUT THE ECONOMY,
HEALTH, AND AGRICULTURE.
WHEN YOUNG PEOPLE TALK TO ME
ABOUT THE RACE, WHEN THEY TALK
ABOUT IT AGAIN, I THINK THEY
WILL BE TALKING ABOUT OUR
TREMENDOUS SUCCESS IN QUEÉBEC.
WE HAVE BUILT AN INCREDIBLE TEAM
THAT CAN REALLY REFLECT THE
BEAUTY OF OUR TWO FOUNDING
PEOPLES.
[end of translation]
TO LESLYN LEWIS AND DEREK, YOU
WORKED INCREDIBLY HARD AND I
WORK FORWARD TO ALL OF US
WORKING TOGETHER TO BUILD A
STRONGER COUNTRY WITH MORE
OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CHILDREN AND
GRANDCHILDREN.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK
ANDREW AND JILL SCHEER AND YOUR
FAMILY.
[Applause]
FOR YOUR SERVICE AND DEDICATION
TO THE COUNTRY AND TO OUR PARTY.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK
TOGETHER FOR CANADIANS.
AND, OF COURSE, I WANT TO THANK
MY WIFE REBECCA.
[Applause]
OUR CHILDREN, MOLLY AND JACK,
AND ALL OF MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS
HERE TONIGHT, OR STILL UP
WATCHING AT HOME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOVE, ADVICE
AND PATIENCE THESE NINE MONTHS.
[Speaking French]
(Voice of Translator): IN THIS
VICTORY, IT'S OWED TO MY WIFE,
REBECCA, MY TWO CHILDREN, JACK
AND MOLLY, AND, OF COURSE, MY
ENTIRE FAMILY AND OUR FRIENDS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOVE, YOUR
PATIENCE AND YOUR ADVICE.
[end of translation]
MOST OF ALL THANK YOU TO THE
TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CANADIANS
FROM COAST-TO-COAST-TO-COAST WHO
VOTED FOR ME.
YOU PUT YOUR FAITH IN ME TO LEAD
THIS HISTORIC PARTY AND I'M
HONOURED AND HUMBLED.
I PROMISE YOU I WILL NOT LET YOU
DOWN.
TODAY YOU HAVE GIVEN ME A CLEAR
MISSION TO UNITE OUR PARTY AND
TO CHAMPION OUR CONSERVATIVE
PRINCIPLES, TO SHOW CANADIANS
WHAT WE KNOW SO WELL, THAT
JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND HIS TEAM ARE
FAILING OUR GREAT COUNTRY.
WE MUST CONTINUE TO POINT OUT
LIBERAL FAILINGS AND CORRUPTION,
BUT WE MUST ALSO SHOW CANADIANS
OUR VISION FOR A STRONGER AND
PROSPEROUS AND MORE UNITED
CANADA.
AND WE MUST DO BETTER AND
CONSERVATIVES WILL DO BETTER TO
EARN THE TRUST OF CANADIANS IN
THE NEXT ELECTION.
[Speaking French]
(Voice of Translator): TODAY
YOU ARE GIVING US A CLEAR
MISSION TO UNITE OUR PARTY, TO
STAND UP FOR OUR VALUES AND TO
SHOW ONCE AGAIN THAT JUSTIN
TRUDEAU IS WEAKENING OUR
COUNTRY.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO JUST
CRITICISE THE LIBERALS, WE WILL
BE PROPOSING A VISION OF A
STRONGER CANADA, A MORE UNITED
AND PROSPEROUS CANADA, A VISION
THAT IS A POSITIVE CONSERVATIVE
VISION.
[end of translation]
NOW THE REAL WORK BEGINS.
WE COULD BE INTO AN ELECTION
CAMPAIGN AS SOON AS THIS FALL,
BUT IT'S MORE THAN 260,000
PASSIONATE CONSERVATIVES THAT
HAVE ALREADY SHOWN IN THIS
RECORD-BREAKING LEADERSHIP
AMIDST A PANDEMIC, THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY WILL BE READY
FOR THE NEXT ELECTION.
AND WE WILL WIN THE NEXT
ELECTION.
[Applause]
TO THE MILLIONS OF CANADIANS
THAT ARE STILL UP, THAT I'M
MEETING TONIGHT FOR THE FIRST
TIME, GOOD MORNING.
[laughter]
I'M ERIN O'TOOLE.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE SEEING AND
HEARING A LOT FROM ME IN THE
COMING WEEKS AND MONTHS, BUT I
WANT YOU TO KNOW FROM THE START
THAT I'M HERE TO FIGHT FOR YOU
AND YOUR FAMILY.
[Speaking French]
(Voice of Translator): THERE
ARE MILLIONS OF FELLOW CITIZENS
THAT ARE SEEING ME FOR THE FIRST
TIME TONIGHT.
BUT WE HAVE A LOT IN COMMON.
I WAS BORN IN MONTRÉAL AND I
GREW UP IN ONTARIO.
I LEARNED FRENCH IN THE CANADIAN
ARMED FORCES AND, YES, I DO
SPEAK LIKE AN ANGLO, BUT AN
ANGLO WHO RESPECTS FRANCOPHONES
AND IS PROUD OF FRENCH IN THIS
COUNTRY.
I AM IN POLITICS TO FIGHT FOR
ALL CANADIANS.
AND FOR OUR TWO NATIONAL
LANGUAGES.
[end of translation]
REBECCA AND I HAVE BEEN JUGGLING
A LOT OF JOBS LATELY.
WITH OUR KIDS AT HOME, COVID HAS
MADE US APPRECIATE TEACHERS MORE
THAN EVER BEFORE.
MY MOTHER, WHO PASSED AWAY WHEN
I WAS 9, WAS A TEACHER.
AND THROUGHOUT MY LIFE I WISHED
SHE WAS HERE TO GIVE ME ADVICE.
RIGHT NOW I WISH SHE WERE HERE
TO SEE HER CHILD SUCCEED.
BUT I KNOW THAT SHE IS HERE
TONIGHT BECAUSE I CAN SEE HER IN
MY DAUGHTER WHO SHARES HER NAME.
THANKFULLY I HAVE ALSO HAD MY
STEP-MOTHER, ALSO A TEACHER, TO
GUIDE ME TO THIS VERY DAY AND
I'M THANKFUL THAT SHE AND MY DAD
ARE HERE WITH ME TONIGHT.
MY FATHER, JOHN, INSPIRED ME
INTO PUBLIC SERVICE.
I GAVE MY DAD A HARD TIME
GROWING UP.
HE WORKED AT GENERAL MOTORS FOR
OVER 30 YEARS THAT BROUGHT US
FROM QUEÉBEC TO BOWMANVILLE,
ONTARIO.
AND I JOINED THE MILITARY TO
GAIN DISCIPLINE AND SERVE THE
COUNTRY.
IT DEEPENED MY LOVE FOR CANADA
AND DEFINES WHO I AM TODAY.
I SERVED AS A NAVIGATOR ON SEA
KING HELICOPTERS AND SAILED WITH
OUR NAVY OUT OF HALIFAX.
IT WAS IN HALIFAX THAT I MET
REBECCA, THE LOVE OF MY LIFE.
TODAY REBECCA AND I ARE BOTH
NAVIGATING, RAISING OUR AMAZING
CHILDREN, MOLLY AND JACK, AND
FIVE DAYS AGO, REBECCA AND I
CELEBRATED 20 YEARS OF MARRIAGE.
[Applause]
I HAVE SPENT MY ENTIRE ADULT
LIFE TRYING TO SERVE CANADA AND
ITS PEOPLE.
SOON I WILL ASK CANADIANS FOR
THE CHANCE TO SERVE AS PRIME
MINISTER.
SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS COUNTRY
BACK ON TRACK.
I LOVE THIS COUNTRY AND I'M VERY
WORRIED ABOUT THE COURSE WE ARE
ON.
WHEN I LAUNCHED MY CAMPAIGN IN
CALGARY IN JANUARY, I SAID THAT
THE STAKES WERE HIGH.
THEY ARE EVEN HIGHER TODAY.
OUR COUNTRY IS CURRENTLY FACING
ITS MOST SERIOUS ECONOMIC
CHALLENGE SINCE THE GREAT
DEPRESSION.
CAPITAL AND JOBS HAVE BEEN
LEAVING CANADA, AND LARGE
DEFICITS WERE BEING RUN BEFORE
THE COVID CRISIS LED TO RECORD
DEBTS AND DEFICITS.
[Speaking French]
(Voice of Translator):
HUNDREDS OF FAMILY BUSINESSES
ARE ON THE VERGE OF BANKRUPTCY.
WE CAN SEE THAT IN THE ALUMINUM
INDUSTRY.
NOTHING BEING DONE FOR THEM OR
FOR THE FOREST INDUSTRY.
WARREN BUFFET HAS CANCELLED HIS
BILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENTS IN
THE SAGUENAY, AND WITH LIBERALS,
CANADA HAS BECOME A RISKY
COUNTRY IN WHICH TO INVEST.
WE HAVE TO GIVE CONFIDENCE TO
EMPLOYERS AND BUSINESSES AND
INNOVATORS ONCE AGAIN.
WE MUST REMIND THEM THAT IT IS
POSSIBLE FOR CANADA TO BE A
BETTER PLACE, THE BEST PLACE IN
THE WORLD TO DO BUSINESS.
BUT ESPECIALLY I WANT TO FIGHT
FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
BEEN FORGOTTEN, PEOPLE WHO GET
UP EARLY TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES,
MEN AND WOMEN WHO WORK HARD AND
WHO ARE PROUD TO WORK.
THEY CAN COUNT ON ME.
[end of translation]
PEOPLE ARE LOSING FAITH IN
CANADA BECAUSE OF THE
IDEOLOGICAL AND THE OUT-OF-TOUCH
POLICIES FROM THE LIBERALS.
WE JUST EMERGED FROM THE FIRST
WAVE OF THE LARGEST HEALTH
CRISIS IN OUR HISTORY.
PREMIERS ACROSS OUR COUNTRY HAVE
SHOWN REAL LEADERSHIP AMID THE
COVID-19 CRISIS.
THEY WERE LOOKING OUT FOR YOU.
JUSTIN TRUDEAU, BILL MORNEAU AND
THE LIBERALS SHOWED ONCE AGAIN
THAT EVEN AMID A NATIONAL
CRISIS, THEY WERE STILL
INTERESTED IN LOOKING AFTER
THEIR FRIENDS.
WE CAN REBUILD OUR GREAT COUNTRY
WHILE PROTECTING CANADIANS FROM
THE ONGOING THREAT OF COVID-19.
WE CAN GET CANADIANS BACK TO
WORK, BE PROUD OF THE THINGS WE
GROW, BUILD AND PRODUCE IN
CANADA AGAIN.
WE MUST HAVE A GOVERNMENT THAT
WILL KEEP US SAFE AND ENSURE
THAT WE ARE NEVER ILL-PREPARED
AGAIN.
TO DO THAT WE NEED A LEADER WITH
REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE AND
SOMEONE WHO IS NOT AFRAID TO
MAKE THE TOUGH DECISIONS.
A LEADER WHO CARES MORE ABOUT
KEEPING CANADIANS SAFE AND
UNITED THAN ABOUT HIS PERSONAL
IMAGE AND THE INTEREST OF
INSIDERS.
WE NEED A LEADER WHO PUTS
CANADIANS FIRST AND WILL STAND
UP FOR CANADA AND OUR INTERESTS
IN A CHALLENGING WORLD WHERE
WE'VE LOST THE RESPECT OF OUR
FRIENDS AND ALLIES.
THE WORLD STILL NEEDS MORE
CANADA.
IT JUST NEEDS LESS JUSTIN
TRUDEAU.
WHY SHOULD I BE THAT LEADER?
BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WHETHER
YOU ARE BLACK, WHITE, BROWN OR
FROM ANY RACE OR CREED, THAT
WHETHER YOU ARE LGBT OR
STRAIGHT, WHETHER YOU ARE AN
INDIGENOUS CANADIAN, OR HAVE
JOINED THE CANADIAN FAMILY THREE
WEEKS AGO OR THREE GENERATIONS
AGO, WHETHER YOU ARE DOING WELL
OR BARELY GETTING BY, WHETHER
YOU WORSHIP ON FRIDAY OR
SATURDAY, SUNDAYS, OR NOT AT
ALL -- YOU ARE AN IMPORTANT PART
OF CANADA.
AND YOU HAVE A HOME IN THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA.
MAYBE YOU HAVE VOTED FOR A
DIFFERENT PARTY YOUR WHOLE LIFE
OR HAVE NEVER VOTED AT ALL.
MAYBE YOU FEEL THAT AS A UNION
MEMBER YOU SHOULD NOT VOTE FOR
OUR PARTY.
MAYBE YOU FEEL LET DOWN
REPEATEDLY BY POLITICIANS.
MAYBE YOUR FAMILY CAME TO CANADA
FOR BETTER, BUT YOU ARE STILL
WAITING FOR FAIR TREATMENT.
MAYBE YOU RUN A SMALL BUSINESS
AND YOU WORK ALL DAY, ONLY TO BE
CALLED THE TAX CHEAT BY YOUR OWN
GOVERNMENT.
IT IS TIME FOR MANY LIBERAL AND
N.D.P. VOTERS TO SOCIALLY
DISTANCE THEMSELVES FROM THOSE
OUT-OF-TOUCH PARTIES.
IT IS TIME FOR MORE CANADIANS TO
LOOK AT THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY
AGAIN.
IF YOU WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO
WORK HARD TO PROVIDE FOR YOUR
FAMILY, YOU SHOULD BE VOTING
CONSERVATIVE.
IF YOU WANT TO STOP INSIDERS
FROM GETTING AHEAD WHILE YOU ARE
FALLING BACK, YOU SHOULD BE
VOTING CONSERVATIVE.
IF YOU ARE PROUD OF WHAT WE HAVE
PRODUCED IN THIS COUNTRY,
WHETHER IT'S THE RESOURCES IN
THE GROUND OR THE IDEAS IN OUR
HEADS, YOU SHOULD BE VOTING
CONSERVATIVE.
AND IF YOU BELIEVE DEEPLY, LIKE
I DO, THAT YOU NEED AN ETHICAL
GOVERNMENT, AND THAT WE NEED TO
GIVE THE ETHICS COMMISSIONER A
BREAK, YOU SHOULD BE VOTING
CONSERVATIVE.
JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND JAGMEET SINGH
CLAIM TO STAND UP FOR WORKING
FAMILIES BUT THEY FAIL THEM TIME
AND TIME AGAIN.
[Speaking French]
(Voice of Translator): AND THE
BLOC QUÉBEÉCOIS, WELL, THE BLOC
IS BEHIND THE TIMES.
IT RISES WHEN JUSTIN TRUDEAU
SHOWS THAT NOTHING BUT HIS
RESPECT FOR QUEÉBECERS, BUT IT S
NOW TIME FOR QUEÉBEC TO HAVE A
SEAT AT THE DECISIONMAKING
TABLE.
AND I'M SAYING TO ALL OF YOU
THAT NATIONALIST QUEÉBECERS HAVE
AN IMPORTANT PLACE IN THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
[end of translation]
SERIOUS LEADERSHIP FOR THESE
CHALLENGING TIMES TO KEEP
CANADIANS SAFE AND PREPARE FOR
THE FUTURE, TO REBUILD OUR
COUNTRY, TO NAVIGATE OUR WAY OUT
OF RECORD LEVEL DEFICITS BEFORE
THEY PUT OUR SOCIAL PROGRAMMES
AT RISK TO ENSURE THAT WE
REBUILD STRONGER AND MORE
SELF-RELIANT, MORE RESILIENT, SO
THAT WE ARE BETTER PREPARED FOR
FUTURE WAVES OF COVID-19 AND ALL
THREATS.
TO RESTORE CANADA'S PLACE IN A
TOUGH WORLD, EARNING BACK THE
RESPECT THAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU HAS
LOST ON THE WORLD STAGE.
THAT IS WHAT CONSERVATIVES STAND
FOR.
DOING WHAT IS RIGHT, EVEN WHEN
IT IS NOT WHAT IS EASY, THAT'S
WHAT CANADIANS STAND FOR.
IT'S THE SAME SENSE OF DUTY THAT
KEPT OUR HEALTH CARE WORKERS AND
P.S.W.s HELPING OUR SICK IN
THE EARLY WEEKS OF THE PANDEMIC
WHEN THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT
RISKS TO THEMSELVES AND THEIR
FAMILIES.
[Speaking French]
(Voice of Translator): WE WERE
ALL PROUD OF OUR SOLDIERS WHO
WENT IN TO HELP OUT IN THE
LONG-TERM CARE HOMES.
THE SITUATION WAS A DIFFICULT
ONE, BUT CANADIANS WORKED
TOGETHER.
IN OUR FAMILIES, WE MADE
PORTUGUESE TARPS, WE TOOK CARE
OF OUR PARENTS, THERE WERE GOOD
THINGS AND BAD THINGS, BUT WE
KEPT GOING.
[end of translation]
THE SAME FEELING WHEN A FAMILY
HELPS NEWCOMERS TO CANADA BY
OPENING UP THEIR OWN HOME AND
LETTING THEM GET THEIR START
WITH THE HELP FROM FAMILY OR
FRIENDS IN THE COMMUNITY, EVEN
WHEN IT MAKES THINGS
CHALLENGING.
THAT SAME FEELING OUR SOLDIERS
MUST HAVE FELT AT THE BOTTOM OF
VIMY RIDGE MORE THAN A CENTURY
AGO.
IT'S A BELIEF IN WHAT CANADA CAN
BE.
IT'S A BELIEF IN THE HOPE AND
OPPORTUNITY THAT CANADA
REPRESENTS.
MY FELLOW CANADIANS, MY NAME IS
ERIN O'TOOLE.
I BELIEVE IN THIS COUNTRY, AND I
AM RUNNING TO SERVE YOU AS PRIME
MINISTER.
THANK YOU, AND GOOD NIGHT.
[Cheers and Applause]
>> Rosemary: OKAY, THAT IS
ERIN O'TOOLE, THE LEADER OF THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA.
AND LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL
OPPOSITION IN THIS COUNTRY TOO,
GIVING HIS FIRST SPEECH AS
LEADER.
A SPEECH WHERE AS YOU HEARD
THERE AT THE END, AND HE
MENTIONED IT DURING THE SPEECH
AS WELL, WHERE HE INTRODUCED
HIMSELF TO CANADIANS.
THERE'S LESLYN LEWIS NOW, COMING
OUT TO SHAKE HIS HAND.
SHE FELL OFF THE BALLOT.
PETER MacKAY IS COMING TO
SHAKE HIS HAND.
AND DEREK SLOAN ALSO.
SO A SHOW OF UNITY THERE AT THE
END FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DID NOT
WIN TO COME FORWARD AND TO
SUPPORT THE NEW LEADER OF THE
PARTY HERE WHO GAVE, I WOULD
SAY, A SPEECH THAT HIT ALL OF
THE RIGHT NOTES.
IT WAS REALLY NOT ONLY AN APPEAL
TO PARTY MEMBERS, BUT ALSO HAD
TO REACH OUT TO DIFFERENT PARTS
OF THE COUNTRY.
HE REACHED OUT TO QUEÉBEC, AND O
ALBERTA, AND TALKED TO CANADIANS
WHO MAY BE FEELING LEFT DOWN BY
THE TRUDEAU LIBERALS.
HAD SOME GOOD LINES IN THERE
WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT WITH OUR
REPORTERS IN JUST A MINUTE.
OBVIOUSLY, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN
A CONVENTION HALL FULL OF PEOPLE
AND SUPPORTERS CHEERING FOR
MR. O'TOOLE.
[Cheers and Applause]
THERE YOU GO, A NICE MOMENT, A
NICE SHOW OF SUPPORT FROM THE
FORMER LEADER TO THE NOW CURRENT
LEADER ERIN O'TOOLE.
WHO PULLED THIS OFF PRETTY
HANDLEY ON THE THIRD BALLOT AND
WALKED AWAY WITH IT PRETTY
EASILY.
AND CAN NOW AS YOU CAN SEE
BREATHE A SIGH OF RELIEF AND GO
OFF AND TO GET TO WORK AS HE
SAID.
I'LL BRING IN MY COLLEAGUES AND
I'LL START WITH THE HOST OF
"POWER & POLITICS" VASSY
KAPELOS, AND WE'LL LEAVE THESE
PICTURES UP BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT
THAT SPEECH.
THERE WERE A COUPLE OF GOOD
LINES IN THERE, VASSY, AND IT
HIT NOTES THAT THE NEW LEADER
NEEDED TO HIT.
AND THERE'S A FUNNY LINE THAT HE
SAID, GOOD MORNING, I'M ERIN
O'TOOLE.
BECAUSE IT IS MORNING IN EASTERN
CANADA.
AND HE TALKED ABOUT THE DIVIDE
INSIDE OF THE COUNTRY AND SAYS
THAT THE WORLD STILL NEEDS MORE
CANADA, JUST LESS JUSTIN
TRUDEAU.
HE APPEALED TO INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE, LGBTQ PEOPLE.
HE SAID IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU
HAVE BEEN LEFT BEHIND, MAYBE
CONSIDER THAT THE BLOC WAS OUT
OF TOUCH, THAT NATIONALISTS IN
QUÉBEC HAD AN IMPORTANT PLACE IN
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF
CANADA.
AND THAT THE LIBERAL DEFICIT,
THAT NEEDED TO BE ENDED BEFORE
THEY PUT AN END TO SOCIAL
PROGRAMMES OR PUT OUR SOCIAL
PROGRAMMES AT RISK, WHICH I
THOUGHT THAT WAS AN INTERESTING
LINE AROUND HIS FISCAL
CONSERVATIVISM.
I MEAN, THERE WERE A LOT OF
MOMENTS IN THERE IN TERMS OF
APPEALS TO PEOPLE, SOME
CRITICISM, OBVIOUSLY, OF THE
GOVERNMENT.
BUT REALLY A GOOD STRONG FIRST
SPEECH FROM THE LEADER.
>> Vassy: YEAH, IF I WERE TO
TAKE AWAY SORT OF ONE THING FROM
LISTENING TO THAT, IT IS THAT
ERIN O'TOOLE INHERENTLY
RECOGNIZES THAT HIS TASK AS
LEADER OF THE PARTY WILL BE TO
GROW ITS BASE AND THERE WAS AN
INHERENT ANG KNOWLEDGEMENT IN
THAT, IN SO MUCH OF WHAT HE JUST
SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, IT APPEALS
TO PEOPLE THAT NORMALLY WOULD
NOT VOTE CONSERVATIVE, LET'S
SAY.
OR DID NOT, TO BE MORE PRECISE
IN THE LAST ELECTION.
AND SOMETHING THAT HE HAS SPOKEN
ABOUT BEFORE AND HE DID PRETTY
MUCH RIGHT AFTER THE LAST
ELECTION HIMSELF, KIND OF BEING
FAMILIAR WITH THE 905 AND THE
AREA THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO
GROW IN IN ORDER TO BE MORE
SUCCESSFUL IN THE LAST ELECTION.
I JUST THOUGHT THAT IT WAS
CLEAR -- IT REMINDED ME OF A
SPEECH IN A WAY -- THIS MIGHT
SOUND WEIRD -- THAT I HEARD FROM
JUSTIN TRUDEAU YEARS AGO, RIGHT
BEFORE HE BECAME PRIME MINISTER,
WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT
CONSERVATIVES, RIGHT, AND THEY
AREN'T YOUR ENEMY, YOU HAVE TO
LOOK ACROSS THE AISLE AND SORT
OF, HEY, YOU COULD HAVE A HOME
HERE.
AND I VERY MUCH HEARD THAT
MESSAGE IN THIS SPEECH FROM ERIN
O'TOOLE TONIGHT.
ARE YOU DISENCHANTED WITH EITHER
THE LIBERALS OR THE N.D.P.?
ARE YOU SOMEONE IN A UNION WHO
WOULDN'T NORMALLY LOOK TO OUR
PARTY TO REPRESENT YOU?
WELL, TAKE A SECOND LOOK AND
HERE'S WHY, AND, LOOK, IT'S JUST
ONE SPEECH, BUT I DO THINK THAT
IT WAS -- IT WAS DEFINITELY IN
THE TONE AND TENOR AND IN
CONTENT, VERY DIFFERENT FROM
WHAT WE EVEN HEARD FROM ANDREW
SCHEER, A FEW HOURS AGO,
WHATEVER IT WAS, EARLIER
TONIGHT.
THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE, RIGHT,
THERE WAS A POSITIVE TONE.
AND I REALLY THINK INHERENT IN
THE SPEECH WAS AN
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, A CONCERTED
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, THAT IT WILL BE
HIS JOB TO EXPAND THE BASE AND
THAT STARTED TODAY.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, AND FORGET
THE SPEECH FROM 300 HOURS AGO,
I'M NOT SURE THAT -- I'M NOT
SURE THAT I HAVE HEARD ANDREW
SCHEER DO THAT KIND OF POINTED
REACH OUT TO VARIOUS GROUPS,
YEAH, VARIOUS GROUPS ACROSS THE
COUNTRY.
THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY -- YOU'RE
QUITE RIGHT TO MAKE THAT POINT
AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE --
THAT IT'S A THANK YOU TO NOT
ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT HIM
HERE BUT AN APPEAL TO PEOPLE WHO
HAVE LOOKED AT THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY AND NOT BEEN SURE, TO ASK
THEM TO LOOK AGAIN.
I'LL GET CATHERINE CULLEN TO
WEIGH IN ON WHAT YOU ARE
HEARING.
OBVIOUSLY, A BIG MOMENT FOR ERIN
O'TOOLE BECAUSE IT'S ALSO HIS
FIRST SPEECH.
MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY IS AWAKE BUT
THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR PARTS OF
THAT SPEECH TOMORROW.
AND PEOPLE WILL BE PICKING OVER
IT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THE
RIGHT MESSAGES WERE SENT.
AND IF THE GOAL -- I THINK THIS
IS THE GOAL OF THE NEW LEADER --
IS TO REACH OUT AND TO SHOW
UNITY.
HE DID HIT A LOT OF THOSE NOTE
THIS IS THAT SPEECH.
>> Catherine: AND IT WAS
INTERESTING, THE SORT OF VARIETY
OF NOTES TOO, RIGHT?
AND APPEALED TO DIFFERENT
REGIONS OF THE COUNTRY AND, YOU
KNOW, TALKING ABOUT MONTRÉALERS
AND I SPEAK ENGLISH LIKE AN
ANGLOPHONE AND NOT A
FRANCOPHONE.
AND AN APPEAL TO ALBERTA AND HE
DID PERCEIVE THAT MAJOR POWERFUL
ENDORSEMENT FROM ALBERTA PREMIER
JASON KENNEY.
AND ERIN O'TOOLE WAS BROADLY
SEEN BETWEEN HIMSELF AND PETER
MacKAY AS THE ONE MORE
UNDERSTANDING AND SYMPATHETIC TO
THE ISSUES OF ALBERTA.
I WAS TRYING TO PULL UP EXAMPLES
OF HIS CHIPPIER, LET'S SAY, TONE
DURING THE CAMPAIGN AND I FOUND
AN ONLY NEWSLETTER THAT HE SENT
OUT, A FUNDRAISING EMAIL AND
TALKING ABOUT STOPPING RADICAL
LIFTISTS AND THE TWITTER MOB.
AND A PUGNACIOUS TONE, REALLY A
180, SHOWED A VERY DIFFERENT
SIDE OF HIMSELF TONIGHT THAT I
THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY
COMPELLING.
NOT ONLY THE LITERAL
INTRODUCTION, GOOD MORNING, I'M
ERIN O'TOOLE AND YOU'LL SEE MORE
OF ME -- BUT THE PERSONAL STORY
AS WELL.
I HAVE INTERVIEWED HIM IN THE
PAST, AND ON LOSING HIS MOTHER
AT A YOUNG AGE.
BUT TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN SUCH
AN UPFRONT WAY AND MAKE IT A
PART OF HIS STORY, AND
REFLECTING ON THE IMPORTANCE OF
TEACHERS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF
HEALTH CARE WORKERS.
YOU KNOW, A MORE COMPASSIONATE
SIDE AND IN THAT I THINK WE SEE
AN UNDERSTANDING BY ERIN O'TOOLE
AND HIS TEAM THAT THAT IS --
WHILE THE CONSERVATIVE BASE MAY
WANT THAT FEISTIER SIDE, WHICH
HE CERTAINLY HAS, WHEN YOU'RE
INTRODUCING YOURSELF TO PEOPLE,
THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE FIRST
FOOT THAT YOU PUT FORWARD.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT
OF A DIFFERENT SIDE.
AS YOU SAY MAKING A VERY
SPECIFIC CASE TOO FOR WHY PEOPLE
SHOULD CONSIDER THE
CONSERVATIVES.
>> Rosemary: AN EXCELLENT
POINT AND A REAL CHANGE IN TONE
OF WHAT WE SAW FROM ERIN
O'TOOLE, CERTAINLY ON SOCIAL
MEDIA THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN.
NOT CONCILIATORY, BUT MORE
FRIENDLY AND MORE AMIABLE AND
NOT AS PUGNACIOUS.
NOT TO SAY THAT HE WON'T GO BACK
TO THAT BUT, CERTAINLY --
>> Catherine: THAT'S PART OF
WHO HE IS.
>> Rosemary: TONIGHT IT'S
ABOUT THIS AND INTRODUCING
HIMSELF TO CANADIANS.
LET ME UPDATE PEOPLE ON TWEETS
THAT CAME OUT FROM PEOPLE
CONGRATULATING ERIN O'TOOLE, ONE
FROM THE FORMER PRIME MINISTER
STEPHEN HARPER.
AND CONGRATULATING HIS LONG-TIME
COLLEAGUE AND SAYING MORE THAN
EVER OUR COUNTRY NEEDS A STRONG
UNITED CONSERVATIVE PARTY READY
TO FORM GOVERNMENT.
JASON KENNEY, WE TALKED ABOUT
THROUGHOUT THE HOURS WHO
ENDORSED -- LOOK AT THAT, WE'RE
SO ON THE BALL FOR PEOPLE AT
THIS SO LONG, A TWEET FROM
STEPHEN HARPER SENDING BEST
WISHES TO ERIN O'TOOLE AND HIS
WIFE REBECCA.
AND MAYBE WE EVEN HAVE THE JASON
KENNEY ONE, JASON KENNEY
ENDORSED ERIN O'TOOLE VERY
STRONGLY AND HE SAID -- HE SAYS
IN A TWEET, ERIN IS A BRILLIANT,
PRINCIPLED PATRIOT WHO HAS A
DESIRE FOR A STRONGER CANADA.
SO HE IS OBVIOUSLY THRILLED.
HE SAYS THAT ERIN O'TOOLE IS
COMMITTED TO A FAIR DEAL FOR THE
WEST AND A STRONG FOR THE
RESOURCE INDUSTRIES.
AND WE HAVE A TWEET FROM PETER
MacKAY, SAYING IN HIS TWEET
THAT THE LEADERSHIP RACE IS
WRAPPING UP AND THE RACES LEFT
ME FEELING PROUD OF OUR PARTY
AND HOPEFUL FOR THE FUTURE, AND
CONFIDENT IN CONSERVATIVISM, AND
LET'S COME TOGETHER AND GET
CANADA MOVING IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION.
AND HE ALSO CONGRATULATED ERIN
O'TOOLE.
SO SOME OF THE EARLY REACTION TO
THE CONSERVATIVES.
AND LET ME GO TO HANNAH FIRST OF
ALL TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT
WE HEARD THERE FROM ERIN
O'TOOLE.
CATHERINE'S POINT IS A GOOD ONE,
HANNAH, NOT EXACTLY THE KIND OF
THINGS THAT HE WAS SAYING
THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CAMPAIGN
BUT PRESENTING A DIFFERENT PART
OF HIMSELF, I GUESS, TO APPEAL
MORE BROADLY TO THE REST OF
CANADA.
KNOWING THAT THESE CLIPS WILL BE
PLAYED AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN
OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.
>> Hannah: YOU KNOW WHAT,
THAT'S MORE OF THE ERIN O'TOOLE
THAT I KNEW FROM THE LAST
LEADERSHIP RACE.
I FOUND -- YEAH, I FOUND THAT HE
WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
I THINK THAT THE WORD WE KEEP
USING IS CHIPPY, BECAUSE I THINK
THAT IS THE BEST WORD TO USE,
CHIPPIER DURING THIS ONE.
AND IN THAT SPEECH, ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING
FROM EVERYBODY SAYING WHEN WE
LOOK FORWARD TO THAT SPEECH, WE
WANT TO SEE THINGS LIKE BRINGING
IN THE OTHER CANDIDATES.
THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS
HE DID.
AND HE DID IT IN A REALLY NICE
WAY.
IN FACT, HE SEEMED VERY -- I
MEAN, OF COURSE HE'S VERY HAPPY
BUT IT WAS A MORE UPLIFTING
SPEECH THAN AS VASSY WAS SAYING
300 HOURS AGO WHEN WE HEARD FROM
ANDREW SCHEER.
AND HE ADDRESSED ALL OF THOSE
ISSUES BY BRINGING IN DIFFERENT
PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.
QUÉBEC, HE MENTIONED IN
PARTICULAR.
OUT WEST.
ALL OF THOSE ISSUES, LIKE TO TRY
TO, YOU KNOW, TO SNUB OUT THAT
WEXIT GROWTH THAT IS HAPPENING
RIGHT NOW OUT WEST.
BUT ALSO THE FACT THAT, YEAH,
THIS PARTY IS READY FOR A
POTENTIAL CAMPAIGN IF THAT WERE
TO HAPPEN.
THEIR FUNDRAISING NUMBERS ARE
QUITE HIGH.
THEY HAVE THAT MASSIVE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP TO BE A
PART OF THIS PARTY.
BUT ALSO THE FACT THAT THEY
HAVE -- I'M TOLD THAT THEY HAVE
PEOPLE READY TO, YOU KNOW,
CANDIDATES AND NOMINATIONS READY
IF THAT LEADER WANTS TO PULL THE
TRIGGER.
AND THEY'LL HAVE THAT
OPPORTUNITY COMING UP IN THE
NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS WHEN THERE
IS THAT THRONE SPEECH.
NOW ALSO ONE OF THE BIG THINGS
THAT HAPPENS NOW IS TRANSITION.
I HAVE BEEN TOLD FROM ANDREW
SCHEER'S TEAM THAT HE WANTS TO
ENSURE THAT THIS TRANSITION
BETWEEN HIMSELF AND ERIN
O'TOOLE, THE NEW LEADER, THAT
IT'S SMOOTHER THAN IT WENT FOR
HIM.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE
I MISSED WHEN THERE WAS
TRANSITION OVER TO ANDREW
SCHEER.
THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT FEELING
THAT IT WAS A BIT ROUGH FOR HIM.
HE WANTED TO BE A SMOOTH
TRANSITION OVER TO THE NEW
LEADER.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS
THAT GOOD RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
THOSE TWO MEN.
CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, ERIN O'TOOLE
WORKING FOR ANDREW SCHEER IN THE
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING -- HE
CAN GET RIGHT BACK TO WORK IN
THE HOUSE OF COMMONS BECAUSE HE
IS A SITTING M.P.
THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE ISSUES
THAT HE WILL HAVE.
SO HE DID ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE
POINTS THAT MANY M.P.s, MANY
ANALYSTS WERE SAYING, THAT THEY
HAVE TO ADDRESS IN THIS SPEECH.
AND LIKE YOU POINTED OUT, I
THOUGHT THAT MOMENT WHERE HE
SAYS GOOD MORNING, I'M ERIN
O'TOOLE -- THAT'S THE BIGGEST
THING THAT EVERYBODY SAID.
THEY NEED TO GET HIS NAME KNOWN
TO CANADIANS.
AND ESSENTIALLY LET WHAT'S
HAPPENING OUT THERE WITH THE
TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT TO CONTINUE
TO HAPPEN AND NOT TO GET IN THE
WAY OF THE FLUBS THAT JUSTIN
TRUDEAU AND HIS TEAM ARE MAKING
WITH THE "WE", WITH, YOU KNOW,
THE FINANCE MINISTER RESIGNING,
THAT TO LET THOSE THINGS HAPPEN
AND TO STAND BACK AND TO JUST
KIND OF TAKE A BREATH AND TO GET
PEOPLE TO KNOW YOUR NAME.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, THANK YOU
FOR THAT, HANNAH.
I APPRECIATE IT.
I'LL COME BACK TO YOU IF WE HAVE
TIME.
THANK YOU.
AND LET'S BRING IN OUR CBC POLL
ANALYST ÉRIC GRENIER BECAUSE
HE'S BEEN CRUNCHING THE NUMBERS.
ERIC, IT SEEMS FROM THE NUMBERS
THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY SENT OUT
THAT O'TOOLE'S WIN, NOT UNLIKE
WHAT HAPPENED WITH ANDREW
SCHEER, AND PULLING OFF SUPPORT,
BUT THAT HIS WIN COMES FROM
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES, IS THAT
FAIR TO SY?
>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY, BECAUSE
COMBINED ON THAT FIRST BALLOT,
SLOAN AND LEWIS HAD ABOUT 35%.
THAT'S MORE THAN DOUBLE WHAT THE
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES BACK IN
2017 HAD.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT FINAL
BALLOT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPORTING --
THE PEOPLE WHO HAD GIVEN THEIR
VOTE AND INITIALLY TO SLOAN AND
SENT IT THEN TO LEWIS, BY A
MARGIN OF NEARLY 4-1, O'TOOLE
GOT THAT SUPPORT OVER PETER
MacKAY.
PETER MacKAY DID NOT HAVE ANY
GROWTH FURTHER ON.
SO ERIN O'TOOLE CAN LOOK TO THE
SUPPORTERS WHO BACKED DEREK
SLOAN AND LESLYN LEWIS FOR THEIR
VICTORY AND THEY ARE THE ONES
THAT TOOK HIM ALL THE WAY TO
50%.
>> Rosemary: IT SHOWS US THAT
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES CONTINUE TO
HAVE A STRONG VOICE WHEN IT
COMES TO ELECTING A LEADER?
>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
STILL A BIG PART OF THE PARTY.
IF WE THINK BACK TO 2017, ANDREW
SCHEER WAS A SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE
AND JUST DIDN'T RUN AS ONE.
FOR A LOT OF CONSERVATIVE
MEMBERS HE WAS AN ACCEPTABLE
CANDIDATE, BECAUSE IF THEY WERE
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE THEY KNEW
THAT ANDREW SCHEER WOULD AT
LEAST SYMPATHIZE WITH THEM.
IN THIS RACE IT WAS CLEAR THAT
THERE WERE TWO SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATES AND TWO
POSITIONING THEMSELVES AS MORE
PROGRESSIVE ON SOCIAL ISSUES.
BUT, CLEARLY, IN THE END ERIN
O'TOOLE'S STRATEGY TO APPEAL TO
THOSE SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES, TO
AT LEAST SAY THAT YOU'RE NOT THE
STINKING ALBATROSS HANGING
AROUND THE NECK OF THE LEADER
WAS A GOOD STRATEGY BECAUSE
PETER MacKAY DID REALLY NOT
GET MANY VOTES FROM THE PEOPLE
WHO VOTED FOR DEREK SLOAN AND
LESLYN LEWIS.
>> Rosemary: NO, I KNOW THAT
WE'LL GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS AND
WE'LL FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE
REGIONS AND HOW THINGS BROKE
DOWN.
BUT I REMAIN PRETTY SURPRISED AT
HIS NUMBERS IN QUÉBEC.
MAYBE I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND
WHAT WAS GOING ON IN QUEÉBEC, BT
THAT SEEMS TO ME SIGNIFICANT
THAT HE WON IN QUEÉBEC.
AND I WONDER, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT
SURE WHAT THAT SAYS, BUT IT'S
SIGNIFICANT FOR HIM AS WELL.
AND IT'S PART OF WHY WE HEARD
HIM SPEAK FRENCH AND HOW HE WAS
BORN IN MONTREÉAL AND MAYBE I'LL
ASK BUT THAT PARTICULAR REGION?
>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY, THE
CONSERVATIVES NEED TO MAKE
INROADS IN QUEÉBEC AND IT'S NOT
CLEAR IF ERIN O'TOOLE HAS WHAT
IT TAKES TO GO UP AGAINST
YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET AND
TRUDEAU IN THE NEXT ELECTION.
HE DID RAISE MORE MONEY THAN
MacKAY IN QUEÉBEC.
AND PETER MacKAY HAD THE
ENDORSEMENT OF THE MAJORITY OF
THE CONSERVATIVE CAUCUS IN
QUÉBEC.
AND ERIN O'TOOLE HAD SOME
SUPPORTERS, PARTICULARLY SOME
LEO WHO IS WELL KNOWN WITHIN THE
PARTY.
BUT IT'S STRIKING THAT ERIN
O'TOOLE WAS ABLE TO WIN A LOT OF
THAT VOTE IN QUÉBEC AND HE
KNOWS -- HE HAS A PLATFORM FOR
QUÉBEC IN HIS LEADERSHIP
PLATFORM, AND HE KNOWS THAT IF
THE CONSERVATIVES ARE GOING TO
HAVE ANY CHANCE OF WINNING IN
THE NEXT ELECTION THEY NOT ONLY
HAVE TO APPEAL TO QUEÉBEC, BUT
COMMUNICATE TO THE REST OF
CANADA THAT IT'S THE PARTY THAT
WILL BE ACCEPTABLE TO A LOT OF
QUÉBECERS.
>> Rosemary: SO GLAD THAT YOU
WERE HERE AND OFF TO BED FOR
YOU.
AND WE'LL READ YOUR ANALYSIS IN
THE MORNING.
THANK YOU.
KORY TENEYCKE, I'LL GIVE YOU ONE
MINUTE AND THAT'S NOT A LOT
AFTER YOU HAVE BEEN HERE ALL
NIGHT.
BUT ONE MINUTE TO TELL ME
WHETHER YOU HEARD WHAT YOU
WANTED TO HEAR FROM ERIN
O'TOOLE, WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT.
>> YES, WELL, I THOUGHT THAT IT
WAS A REALLY GOOD SPEECH.
LIKE, I THOUGHT THAT IT DID
EXACTLY WHAT YOU SHOWED.
IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF APPLYING
ADVANTAGES ON THE INTERNAL
PARTY, AND THE DIVISIONS THAT
ARE INHERENTLY A PART OF THESE
THINGS BUT FOCUSED ON THE
BROADER AUDIENCE AND REACHING
OUT TO THEM AND TRYING TO SPEAK
TO OTHER GROUPS THAT, FRANKLY,
THE CONSERVATIVES NEED THE VOTES
OF IF THEY WANT TO FORM
GOVERNMENT.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, IS IT
ENOUGH DO YOU THINK TO GET
CANADIANS LOOKING OR TAKING A
SECOND LOOK?
>> ONE SPEECH IS NEVER ENOUGH
BUT THE FACT THAT YOU
ARTICULATED TO THE GROUPS THAT
HE WANTS TO REACH OUT TO AND THE
TONE THAT HE STRUCK, AS YOU
POINTED OUT, FAR MORE CONGENIAL
THAN DURING THE LEADERSHIP
CAMPAIGN -- WHICH I THINK THAT
WAS -- I THINK THAT IT'S THE
RIGHT TONE TO HAVE AS YOU REACH
OUT TO THE GENERAL ELECTORATE.
SO I THINK THAT THERE WAS A LOT
THERE TO FEEL OPTIMISTIC ABOUT
IN TERMS OF WHAT HE INCLUDED IN
THAT SPEECH.
YOU KNOW, TIME WILL TELL, THINGS
ARE MUCH BIGGER THAN THAT SPEECH
BUT I THINK HE GOT OFF ON A GOOD
FOOT.
AND HE RAN WITH A STRONG
SHOWING, 57%, THAT'S NOT --
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT ANYONE
WILL BE ABLE TO PICK AT THE
SEAMS OF.
AND PROBABLY THE GREAT IRONY OF
THE NIGHT WAS MacKAY WHO
STARTED OUT AS A FRONT-RUNNER,
YOU KNOW, AND REALLY WITH SAYING
THAT SCHEER HAD MISSED A SHOT ON
AN EMPTY NET.
AND ONE MIGHT SAY THAT THE SAME
THING HAPPENED IN THIS WITH THE
MacKAY CAMPAIGN.
BUT THE STORY IS STILL LEFT OPEN
FOR THOSE.
AN INTERESTING NIGHT FOR SURE.
>> Rosemary: A VERY
INTERESTING NIGHT AND THANK YOU,
KORY, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING
WITH US ALL THROUGH THIS LONG
EVENING.
THANK YOU.
MY THANKS TO VASSY, AND TO
CATHERINE AND TO HANNAH FOR
THEIR EXTRAORDINARY COVERAGE
THROUGHOUT THIS MANY, MANY
HOURS.
I'M SURE THAT VASSY WILL HAVE
MORE ON "POWER & POLITICS"
TOMORROW AND CATHERINE CULLEN IS
HOSTING "THE CURRENT," I'M NOT
SURE WHEN SHE'LL SLEEP BUT
THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR
THIS IMPORTANT POLITICAL NIGHT
IN THIS COUNTRY AND CERTAINLY
FOR THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
WE WILL LEAVE YOU WITH THE
MOMENT THAT ERIN O'TOOLE WAS
DECLARED THE WINNER AND THANK
YOU TO THE PRODUCERS AND THE
CONTROL ROOM AND THE GUESTS ON
THE SHOW AND WITH THAT I BID YOU
GOOD NIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR WATCHING AND WE'LL
SEE YOU BACK HERE PRETTY SOON.
>> FOR THE FINAL TEST,
MR. MacKAY, 14,528 POINTS.
MR. O'TOOLE, 19,271 POINTS.
ERIN O'TOOLE IS THE NEW LEADER
OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF
CANADA.
[Cheers and Applause]
[Cheers and Applause]
>> NOW IF YOU ARE WONDERING WHAT
IS COMING NEXT...
[Cheers and Appl
