>>> THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS
>>> THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS UNVEILED A NEW RULE IN THE
UNVEILED A NEW RULE IN THE ONGOING RESHAPING OF THE
ONGOING RESHAPING OF THE COUNTRY’S IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.
COUNTRY’S IMMIGRATION SYSTEM. THE RULE TARGETS HUNDREDS OF
THE RULE TARGETS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF LEGAL IMMIGRANTS
THOUSANDS OF LEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE LOOKING TO REMAIN IN THE
WHO ARE LOOKING TO REMAIN IN THE UNITED STATES AND RECEIVE FOOD
UNITED STATES AND RECEIVE FOOD STAMPS OR OTHER FORMS OF
STAMPS OR OTHER FORMS OF TAXPAYER FUNDED ASSISTANCE.
TAXPAYER FUNDED ASSISTANCE. THE MOVE WOULD REQUIRE THOSE
THE MOVE WOULD REQUIRE THOSE APPLYING FOR A CHANGE IN THEIR
APPLYING FOR A CHANGE IN THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS OR SEEKING TO
IMMIGRATION STATUS OR SEEKING TO ENTER THE U.S. LEGALLY TO PROVE
ENTER THE U.S. LEGALLY TO PROVE THEY ARE UNLIKELY TO EVER NEED
THEY ARE UNLIKELY TO EVER NEED THE GOVERNMENT’S ASSISTANCE.
THE GOVERNMENT’S ASSISTANCE. THIS WOULD ALSO ALLOW OFFICIALS
THIS WOULD ALSO ALLOW OFFICIALS TO BAR IMMIGRANTS, FAVORING THE
TO BAR IMMIGRANTS, FAVORING THE WEALTHIER APPLICANTS.
WEALTHIER APPLICANTS. THE ADMINISTRATION WAS PRESSED
THE ADMINISTRATION WAS PRESSED ON WHETHER IT TARGETS THE LOWER
ON WHETHER IT TARGETS THE LOWER INCOME IMMIGRANTS LOOKING TO
INCOME IMMIGRANTS LOOKING TO COME INTO THE COUNTRY.
COME INTO THE COUNTRY. >> WE CERTAINLY EXPECT ANYONE OF
>> WE CERTAINLY EXPECT ANYONE OF ANY INCOME TO STAND ON THEIR OWN
ANY INCOME TO STAND ON THEIR OWN TWO FEET, ARE IF PEOPLE ARE NOT
TWO FEET, ARE IF PEOPLE ARE NOT ABLE TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT THEN
ABLE TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT THEN THIS NEGATIVE FACTOR WILL BEAR
THIS NEGATIVE FACTOR WILL BEAR HEAVILY AGAINST THEM IN A
HEAVILY AGAINST THEM IN A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER THEY’LL
DECISION ABOUT WHETHER THEY’LL BECOME A LEGAL PERMANENT
BECOME A LEGAL PERMANENT RESIDENT AND A POOR PERSON CAN
RESIDENT AND A POOR PERSON CAN BE PREPARED TO BE
BE PREPARED TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT.
SELF-SUFFICIENT. MANY HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE
MANY HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.
HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY. SO LET’S NOT LOOK AT THAT AS THE
SO LET’S NOT LOOK AT THAT AS THE BE ALL AND END ALL.
BE ALL AND END ALL. IT’S NOT THE DECIDING FACTOR BY
IT’S NOT THE DECIDING FACTOR BY IS WHY WE CONTINUE TO USE THE
IS WHY WE CONTINUE TO USE THE TOTALITY OF CIRCUMSTANCES TEST.
TOTALITY OF CIRCUMSTANCES TEST. >> SO JOE, A LOT OF THE POLICIES
>> SO JOE, A LOT OF THE POLICIES WE HAVE SEEN IN THE TRUMP
WE HAVE SEEN IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN
ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN TARGETING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION,
TARGETING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, TO DETER PEOPLE TO COME HERE
TO DETER PEOPLE TO COME HERE FROM ILLEGALLY.
FROM ILLEGALLY. THIS IS DETERRING PEOPLE TO COME
THIS IS DETERRING PEOPLE TO COME HERE LEGALLY.
HERE LEGALLY. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. AND GENE ROBINSON, THIS IS WHAT
AND GENE ROBINSON, THIS IS WHAT ALL OF MY LAW PROFESSORS WOULD
ALL OF MY LAW PROFESSORS WOULD ALWAYS TALK ABOUT AS A SLIPPERY
ALWAYS TALK ABOUT AS A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
SLOPE. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> YOU KNOW, I’M FAIRLY
>> YOU KNOW, I’M FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE AND I HAVE ALWAYS
CONSERVATIVE AND I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CONSERVATIVE WHEN IT COMES
BEEN CONSERVATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. I DON’T THINK THE FIRST THING
I DON’T THINK THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO WHEN YOU COME TO
YOU SHOULD DO WHEN YOU COME TO AMERICA IS AN ILLEGAL ACT AND I
AMERICA IS AN ILLEGAL ACT AND I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT.
HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT. BUT YET -- I THINK A LOT OF
BUT YET -- I THINK A LOT OF AMERICANS FEEL THAT WAY.
AMERICANS FEEL THAT WAY. BUT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION
BUT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WHICH CLAIMED TO BE FIGHTING
WHICH CLAIMED TO BE FIGHTING QUOTE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, WELL,
QUOTE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, WELL, THEY’RE GOING AFTER REFUGEES
THEY’RE GOING AFTER REFUGEES WHICH OF COURSE CONSTITUTIONALLY
WHICH OF COURSE CONSTITUTIONALLY THOSE REFUGEES HAVE A RIGHT TO
THOSE REFUGEES HAVE A RIGHT TO COME TO AMERICA AND SEEK ASYLUM
COME TO AMERICA AND SEEK ASYLUM AND NOW HERE THEY’RE GOING AFTER
AND NOW HERE THEY’RE GOING AFTER QUOTE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
QUOTE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. SO THIS SLIPPERY SLOPE SUDDENLY
SO THIS SLIPPERY SLOPE SUDDENLY SEEMS TO BE MOVING TOWARDS ANY
SEEMS TO BE MOVING TOWARDS ANY TYPE OF IMMIGRANT.
TYPE OF IMMIGRANT. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. MOVING EXACTLY TO WHERE PEOPLE
MOVING EXACTLY TO WHERE PEOPLE LIKE STEPHEN MILLER, THE WHITE
LIKE STEPHEN MILLER, THE WHITE HOUSE ADVISER, WANT IT TO GO.
HOUSE ADVISER, WANT IT TO GO. YOU KNOW, THEY’RE
YOU KNOW, THEY’RE ANTI-IMMIGRATION, PERIOD.
ANTI-IMMIGRATION, PERIOD. AND THIS WILL AFFECT A LOT OF
AND THIS WILL AFFECT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO CAME HERE LEGALLY.
PEOPLE WHO CAME HERE LEGALLY. PERHAPS UNDER THE CONCEPT OF
PERHAPS UNDER THE CONCEPT OF FAMILY UNIFICATION, A LOT OF
FAMILY UNIFICATION, A LOT OF LATINO IMMIGRANTS WHO CAME HERE
LATINO IMMIGRANTS WHO CAME HERE LEGALLY OR TRYING TO ESTABLISH
LEGALLY OR TRYING TO ESTABLISH THEMSELVES AN GET PERMANENT
THEMSELVES AN GET PERMANENT STATUS AND EVENTUALLY GET
STATUS AND EVENTUALLY GET CITIZENSHIP.
CITIZENSHIP. AND THIS IS -- YOU KNOW, THIS IS
AND THIS IS -- YOU KNOW, THIS IS POTENTIALLY A REALLY BIG DEAL
POTENTIALLY A REALLY BIG DEAL FOR THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE, LOOK,
FOR THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE, LOOK, IF I HAD A DOLLAR FOR EVERYBODY
IF I HAD A DOLLAR FOR EVERYBODY WHO -- YOU KNOW, EVERY PROMINENT
WHO -- YOU KNOW, EVERY PROMINENT PERSON WHO’S TOLD ME ABOUT
PERSON WHO’S TOLD ME ABOUT THEIR -- HOW THEIR GREAT
THEIR -- HOW THEIR GREAT GRANDFATHER CAME FROM ITALY OR
GRANDFATHER CAME FROM ITALY OR FROM IRELAND WITH 13 CENTS IN
FROM IRELAND WITH 13 CENTS IN HIS POCKET AND LOOK WHERE THEY
HIS POCKET AND LOOK WHERE THEY ARE TODAY, WELL, THAT’S THE
ARE TODAY, WELL, THAT’S THE PROCESS THAT’S REPLICATING
PROCESS THAT’S REPLICATING ITSELF AND IT HAS REPLICATED
ITSELF AND IT HAS REPLICATED ITSELF THROUGHOUT AMERICAN
ITSELF THROUGHOUT AMERICAN HISTORY AND REPLICATING ITSELF
HISTORY AND REPLICATING ITSELF NOW AND THAT THEY WON’T STOP
NOW AND THAT THEY WON’T STOP BASICALLY.
BASICALLY. THAT BY APPLYING WHAT IS
THAT BY APPLYING WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY A MEANS TEST TO
ESSENTIALLY A MEANS TEST TO PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE DAY THE
YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE DAY THE SOCIETY WAS DIFFERENT.
SOCIETY WAS DIFFERENT. UNSKILLED JOBS PAID A LIVING
UNSKILLED JOBS PAID A LIVING WAGE, THEY DON’T TODAY, SO A LOT
WAGE, THEY DON’T TODAY, SO A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL COME IN AT THAT
OF PEOPLE WILL COME IN AT THAT SORT OF ENTRY LEVEL, DO NEED
SORT OF ENTRY LEVEL, DO NEED SOME FORM OF ASSISTANCE.
SOME FORM OF ASSISTANCE. THAT’S THE WAY OUR SOCIETY WORKS
THAT’S THE WAY OUR SOCIETY WORKS THESE DAYS.
THESE DAYS. AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE
AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE PENALIZED FOR THAT.
PENALIZED FOR THAT. >> MICHAEL STEELE --
>> MICHAEL STEELE -- >> WELL, THEY’LL BE PENALIZED
>> WELL, THEY’LL BE PENALIZED FOR THAT AND MIKE BARNICLE
FOR THAT AND MIKE BARNICLE THEY’LL BE PENALIZED FOR THAT
THEY’LL BE PENALIZED FOR THAT AND ALSO, YOU DON’T HAVE TO GO
AND ALSO, YOU DON’T HAVE TO GO BACK GENERATIONS TO SEE HOW
BACK GENERATIONS TO SEE HOW IMMIGRANTS LIVE.
IMMIGRANTS LIVE. I CAN TALK ABOUT HOW MY FAMILY
I CAN TALK ABOUT HOW MY FAMILY LIVED IN THE EARLY 1970s.
LIVED IN THE EARLY 1970s. MY MOM AND DAD LIVING THE
MY MOM AND DAD LIVING THE AMERICAN DREAM.
AMERICAN DREAM. THE FIRST GENERATION OF THEIR
THE FIRST GENERATION OF THEIR FAMILIES TO GO TO COLLEGE.
FAMILIES TO GO TO COLLEGE. MY DAD WORKED HARD, GOT A GREAT
MY DAD WORKED HARD, GOT A GREAT JOB AT LOCKHEED.
JOB AT LOCKHEED. HE WAS -- YOU KNOW, THE FAVORITE
HE WAS -- YOU KNOW, THE FAVORITE JOB HE EVER HAD, IN THE 1970’S
JOB HE EVER HAD, IN THE 1970’S A’S THERE WAS A RECESSION AND HE
A’S THERE WAS A RECESSION AND HE GOT LAID OFF FROM LOCKHEED AND
GOT LAID OFF FROM LOCKHEED AND HE LOOKED FOR A JOB FOR A YEAR
HE LOOKED FOR A JOB FOR A YEAR AND A HALF AND IT WAS THE SAFETY
AND A HALF AND IT WAS THE SAFETY NET THAT KEPT MY MOM -- MY MOM
NET THAT KEPT MY MOM -- MY MOM WENT BACK TO CHURCH.
WENT BACK TO CHURCH. AND YOU KNOW, GOT PAID $4,000 A
AND YOU KNOW, GOT PAID $4,000 A YEAR AS A CHURCH ORGANIST.
YEAR AS A CHURCH ORGANIST. BUT MY DAD FOR A YEAR AND A HALF
BUT MY DAD FOR A YEAR AND A HALF WHILE HE WAS DRIVING ACROSS THE
WHILE HE WAS DRIVING ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST LOOKING FOR A JOB THAT
SOUTHEAST LOOKING FOR A JOB THAT WOULD SUPPORT HIS FAMILY OF
WOULD SUPPORT HIS FAMILY OF FIVE, HE WAS ON -- HE GOT
FIVE, HE WAS ON -- HE GOT GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE.
GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE. AND HE GOT FOOD STAMPS AND HE
AND HE GOT FOOD STAMPS AND HE GOT UNEMPLOYMENT CHECKS.
GOT UNEMPLOYMENT CHECKS. OF COURSE HE GOT BACK UP ON HIS
OF COURSE HE GOT BACK UP ON HIS FEET, SCRATCHED AND CLAWED AND
FEET, SCRATCHED AND CLAWED AND BECAME A VERY SUCCESSFUL
BECAME A VERY SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEUR IN HIS OWN RIGHT.
ENTREPRENEUR IN HIS OWN RIGHT. BY HIS OWN STANDARDS.
BY HIS OWN STANDARDS. YOU KNOW, WE WERE MIDDLE CLASS,
YOU KNOW, WE WERE MIDDLE CLASS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HE FOUGHT
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HE FOUGHT HIS WAY OUT OF THAT.
HIS WAY OUT OF THAT. BUT THAT SAFETY NET IS WHAT
BUT THAT SAFETY NET IS WHAT ALLOWED HIM TO SUCCEED THROUGH
ALLOWED HIM TO SUCCEED THROUGH THE TOUGHEST OF TIMES AND IT’S
THE TOUGHEST OF TIMES AND IT’S JUST -- I’M FASCINATED THAT THE
JUST -- I’M FASCINATED THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, MAYBE IT’S
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, MAYBE IT’S BECAUSE TRUMP’S DAD GAVE HIM
BECAUSE TRUMP’S DAD GAVE HIM $400 MILLION AND TODAY -- IN
$400 MILLION AND TODAY -- IN TODAY’S MONEY TO GET STARTED AND
TODAY’S MONEY TO GET STARTED AND HE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THIS.
HE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THIS. BUT TO PENALIZE PEOPLE BECAUSE
BUT TO PENALIZE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY’RE ON GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE
THEY’RE ON GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME IS SHORT
FOR A PERIOD OF TIME IS SHORT SIGHTED I THINK.
SIGHTED I THINK. AND UNFAIR.
AND UNFAIR. >> WELL, JOE, YOU REALLY HAVE TO
>> WELL, JOE, YOU REALLY HAVE TO GO OUT OF YOUR WAY -- WELL OUT
GO OUT OF YOUR WAY -- WELL OUT OF YOUR WAY TO CONCOCT A POLICY
OF YOUR WAY TO CONCOCT A POLICY SO FILLED WITH IGNORANCE AND
SO FILLED WITH IGNORANCE AND MALEVOLENCE AS THIS POLICY IS,
MALEVOLENCE AS THIS POLICY IS, AND GUESS WHAT, THE TRUMP
AND GUESS WHAT, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION DID GO OUT OF ITS
ADMINISTRATION DID GO OUT OF ITS WAY TO DO THIS.
WAY TO DO THIS. AND THE INTERESTING ASPECT OF IT
AND THE INTERESTING ASPECT OF IT IS IF YOU READ BETWEEN THE
IS IF YOU READ BETWEEN THE LINES, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING
LINES, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING YOU’RE GOING TO HEAR ON RIGHT
YOU’RE GOING TO HEAR ON RIGHT WING RADIO, TALK RADIO.
WING RADIO, TALK RADIO. YOU KNOW, THE FOOD STAMPS THING,
YOU KNOW, THE FOOD STAMPS THING, PEOPLE AHEAD OF YOU IN THE
PEOPLE AHEAD OF YOU IN THE SUPERMARKET WITH FOOD STAMPS,
SUPERMARKET WITH FOOD STAMPS, BUYING PRIME SIRLOIN AND IT
BUYING PRIME SIRLOIN AND IT FEEDS A NARRATIVE THAT THE TRUMP
FEEDS A NARRATIVE THAT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WANTS TO FEED.
CAMPAIGN WANTS TO FEED. IT’S THEM, IT’S THE OTHER.
IT’S THEM, IT’S THE OTHER. BUT THE INTERESTING ASPECT OF
BUT THE INTERESTING ASPECT OF THIS IS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW,
THIS IS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO STOP THE HANDOUTS TO
WE HAVE TO STOP THE HANDOUTS TO NEWCOMERS TO THIS COUNTRY IS
NEWCOMERS TO THIS COUNTRY IS THAT IN JUNE THIS ADMINISTRATION
THAT IN JUNE THIS ADMINISTRATION THREW $16 BILLION TO AMERICAN
THREW $16 BILLION TO AMERICAN FARMERS TO HELP COMPENSATE FOR
FARMERS TO HELP COMPENSATE FOR THE INCOMPETENCE OF THEIR TRADE
THE INCOMPETENCE OF THEIR TRADE WAR WITH CHINA.
WAR WITH CHINA. $16 BILLION, MICHAEL STEELE.
$16 BILLION, MICHAEL STEELE. $16 BILLION AND THEY’RE GOING
$16 BILLION AND THEY’RE GOING AFTER POTENTIAL FOOD STAMP
AFTER POTENTIAL FOOD STAMP RECIPIENTS.
RECIPIENTS. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. IT’S PART OF THAT ONGOING
IT’S PART OF THAT ONGOING NARRATIVE THAT THE PRESIDENT’S
NARRATIVE THAT THE PRESIDENT’S TEAM LIKES TO ENGAGE IN AND THAT
TEAM LIKES TO ENGAGE IN AND THAT IS SETTING UP ONE SIDE AGAINST
IS SETTING UP ONE SIDE AGAINST ANOTHER.
ANOTHER. OR SEEMINGLY PREFERRING ONE SIDE
OR SEEMINGLY PREFERRING ONE SIDE TO ANOTHER.
TO ANOTHER. IN WHAT THIS CASE, FARMERS WHO
IN WHAT THIS CASE, FARMERS WHO HAVE BEEN HURT BY A TRADE POLICY
HAVE BEEN HURT BY A TRADE POLICY THAT PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE INSIDE
THAT PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE ECONOMIC
AND OUTSIDE OF THE ECONOMIC WORLD THINKS IS A LITTLE BIT
WORLD THINKS IS A LITTLE BIT NUTTY AGAINST THOSE WHO HAVE
NUTTY AGAINST THOSE WHO HAVE COME TO THE COUNTRY LEGALLY BUT
COME TO THE COUNTRY LEGALLY BUT NEED ASSISTANCE.
NEED ASSISTANCE. I THINK THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
I THINK THE OTHER SIDE OF THE QUESTION THOUGH THAT THE WAY
QUESTION THOUGH THAT THE WAY THAT SOME OF THE FOLKS ARE
THAT SOME OF THE FOLKS ARE LOOKING AT THIS IS NOT JUST IN
LOOKING AT THIS IS NOT JUST IN TERMS OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
TERMS OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE, WHO THEN GO ON PUBLIC
HERE, WHO THEN GO ON PUBLIC ASSISTANCE, BUT FOLKS WHO COME
ASSISTANCE, BUT FOLKS WHO COME IN APPLYING FOR LEGAL ENTRY INTO
IN APPLYING FOR LEGAL ENTRY INTO THE COUNTRY WHO NEED ASSISTANCE
THE COUNTRY WHO NEED ASSISTANCE AND THAT’S GOING TO BE AN
AND THAT’S GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING LINE I THINK TO
INTERESTING LINE I THINK TO REALLY WATCH IN TERMS OF HOW THE
REALLY WATCH IN TERMS OF HOW THE ADMINISTRATION REALLY WANTS TO
ADMINISTRATION REALLY WANTS TO ENFORCE THIS.
ENFORCE THIS. NOT SO MUCH IF YOU’RE HERE TO
NOT SO MUCH IF YOU’RE HERE TO JOE’S SCENARIO WHO HAVE COME IN
JOE’S SCENARIO WHO HAVE COME IN LEGALLY, WHO FALL ON HARD TIMES
LEGALLY, WHO FALL ON HARD TIMES AND THEN IS CAUGHT BY THE SAFETY
AND THEN IS CAUGHT BY THE SAFETY NET.
NET. VERSUS THOSE WHO COME IN TO THE
VERSUS THOSE WHO COME IN TO THE SYSTEM LEGALLY AND IMMEDIATELY
SYSTEM LEGALLY AND IMMEDIATELY NEED ASSISTANCE.
NEED ASSISTANCE. THAT SEEMS TO BE WHERE THE
THAT SEEMS TO BE WHERE THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO DRAW A
ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO DRAW A PARTICULARLY FINE LINE.
PARTICULARLY FINE LINE. >> YOU KNOW THOUGH -- YOU KNOW,
>> YOU KNOW THOUGH -- YOU KNOW, IT’S VERY INTERESTING, JOHN
IT’S VERY INTERESTING, JOHN HEILEMANN, THAT MIKE BARNICLE
HEILEMANN, THAT MIKE BARNICLE BRINGS UP THE $16 BILLION
BRINGS UP THE $16 BILLION CORPORATE WELFARE BILL FOR THE
CORPORATE WELFARE BILL FOR THE BIGGEST AGRICULTURAL COMPANIES
BIGGEST AGRICULTURAL COMPANIES IN AMERICA.
IN AMERICA. SO YOU HAVE DONALD TRUMP DOING
SO YOU HAVE DONALD TRUMP DOING WHAT A LOT OF POLITICIANS IN
WHAT A LOT OF POLITICIANS IN WASHINGTON DO.
WASHINGTON DO. HE’S PREACHING CAPITALISM AND
HE’S PREACHING CAPITALISM AND FREE ENTERPRISE TO SINGLE MOMS
FREE ENTERPRISE TO SINGLE MOMS AND IMMIGRANTS, BUT HE’S
AND IMMIGRANTS, BUT HE’S PRACTICING CORPORATE WELFARE TO
PRACTICING CORPORATE WELFARE TO THE LARGEST CORPORATIONS AND THE
THE LARGEST CORPORATIONS AND THE LARGEST BUSINESSES IN AMERICA.
LARGEST BUSINESSES IN AMERICA. I JUST DON’T SEE HOW THIS
I JUST DON’T SEE HOW THIS CONTINUED JOURNEY DOWN THIS
CONTINUED JOURNEY DOWN THIS SINGULAR ANTI-IMMIGRANT PATH IS
SINGULAR ANTI-IMMIGRANT PATH IS GOING TO PAY OFF FOR HIM IN
GOING TO PAY OFF FOR HIM IN 2020.
2020. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. WELL, JOE, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT
WELL, JOE, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT PARTICULAR CONTRADICTION IS ONE
PARTICULAR CONTRADICTION IS ONE THAT’S BEEN A PROBLEM IN YOUR
THAT’S BEEN A PROBLEM IN YOUR FORMER PARTY FOR A LONG TIME.
FORMER PARTY FOR A LONG TIME. THE HYPOCRISY RELATED TO
THE HYPOCRISY RELATED TO CORPORATE WELFARE, BUT I WOULD
CORPORATE WELFARE, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT GAVIN NEW SOME HAS SAID
SAY THAT GAVIN NEW SOME HAS SAID WHAT AMERICA IS GOING THROUGH IS
WHAT AMERICA IS GOING THROUGH IS WHAT CALIFORNIA WENT THROUGH IN
WHAT CALIFORNIA WENT THROUGH IN THE 1990s WHEN PETE WILSON
THE 1990s WHEN PETE WILSON BECAME SYNONYMOUS WITH
BECAME SYNONYMOUS WITH ANTI-IMMIGRANT POLICIES.
ANTI-IMMIGRANT POLICIES. IT BECAME THE PARTY -- THE PARTY
IT BECAME THE PARTY -- THE PARTY BECAME SYNONYMOUS WITH BEING
BECAME SYNONYMOUS WITH BEING HOSTILE TOWARDS IMMIGRANTS OF
HOSTILE TOWARDS IMMIGRANTS OF ALL KINDS IN THE PARTY.
ALL KINDS IN THE PARTY. YOU HAD THE WILSON
YOU HAD THE WILSON ADMINISTRATION, HE WAS GOVERNOR.
ADMINISTRATION, HE WAS GOVERNOR. HE HAD GOTTEN ELECTED BUT HIS
HE HAD GOTTEN ELECTED BUT HIS ADMINISTRATION BECAME SYNONYMOUS
ADMINISTRATION BECAME SYNONYMOUS WITH ANTI-IMMIGRANT SENTIMENT
WITH ANTI-IMMIGRANT SENTIMENT AND POLICIES THAT WERE
AND POLICIES THAT WERE EXTRAORDINARILY HARSH.
EXTRAORDINARILY HARSH. AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE
AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY -- THAT WAS THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY -- THAT WAS THE END FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
END FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. PETE WILSON WAS VOTED OUT AND
PETE WILSON WAS VOTED OUT AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS BEEN ON
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS BEEN ON THE ASH HEAP IN CALIFORNIA EVER
THE ASH HEAP IN CALIFORNIA EVER SINCE THEN AND NEWSOM’S ARGUMENT
SINCE THEN AND NEWSOM’S ARGUMENT IS THAT’S WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH
IS THAT’S WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH AMERICA AND WITH THE
AMERICA AND WITH THE ANTI-IMMIGRANT SENTIMENTS, USED
ANTI-IMMIGRANT SENTIMENTS, USED TO BE WELL, WE’RE AGAINST
TO BE WELL, WE’RE AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND WE’RE
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND WE’RE FOR LEGAL IMMIGRATION.
FOR LEGAL IMMIGRATION. NOW IT LOOKS LIKE UNDER DONALD
NOW IT LOOKS LIKE UNDER DONALD TRUMP THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS
TRUMP THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS HOSTILE TOWARDS ALL IMMIGRANTS.
HOSTILE TOWARDS ALL IMMIGRANTS. THAT I THINK IS HEADED TOWARDS A
THAT I THINK IS HEADED TOWARDS A DISASTER FOR THE REPUBLICAN
DISASTER FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BECAUSE IMMIGRATION IS
PARTY BECAUSE IMMIGRATION IS TRANSFORMING THE COUNTRY AND
TRANSFORMING THE COUNTRY AND THERE’S NOTHING THAT WILL STOP
THERE’S NOTHING THAT WILL STOP THAT.
THAT. IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE FUTURE OF
IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE FUTURE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NATIONALLY
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NATIONALLY LOOK AT WHAT’S HAPPENED TO THE
LOOK AT WHAT’S HAPPENED TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THE LAST 20
REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THE LAST 20 YEARS IN CALIFORNIA.
YEARS IN CALIFORNIA. IT’S AN EXACT PARALLEL.
IT’S AN EXACT PARALLEL. >> KATTY KAY, THIS IS IN LINE
>> KATTY KAY, THIS IS IN LINE WITH WHAT THE TRUMP
WITH WHAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAVE TOLD US THAT
ADMINISTRATION HAVE TOLD US THAT THEY WANT IN THIS COUNTRY, HE
THEY WANT IN THIS COUNTRY, HE SAID IT TO DICK DURBIN IN 2018.
SAID IT TO DICK DURBIN IN 2018. HE DOESN’T WANT -- WE HAVE MORE
HE DOESN’T WANT -- WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE FROM COUNTRIES LIKE
PEOPLE FROM COUNTRIES LIKE NORWAY.
NORWAY. >> I DON’T THINK THIS IS ABOUT
>> I DON’T THINK THIS IS ABOUT MONEY AND HOW MUCH THIS COSTS IN
MONEY AND HOW MUCH THIS COSTS IN TERMS OF THE PROGRAMS.
TERMS OF THE PROGRAMS. THIS IS ABOUT RACE AND WHERE YOU
THIS IS ABOUT RACE AND WHERE YOU COME FROM AND WHAT THIS
COME FROM AND WHAT THIS COUNTRY -- THAT THIS
COUNTRY -- THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION, STEPHEN MILLER
ADMINISTRATION, STEPHEN MILLER FROM THE BEGINNING OF HIS TIME
FROM THE BEGINNING OF HIS TIME IN THE WHITE HOUSE HE HAS BEEN
IN THE WHITE HOUSE HE HAS BEEN CONSISTENT ON THIS, HAS BEEN
CONSISTENT ON THIS, HAS BEEN WANTING TO START CHIPPING AWAY
WANTING TO START CHIPPING AWAY AT LEGAL IMMIGRATION TO THE
AT LEGAL IMMIGRATION TO THE EXTENT IT BRINGS PEOPLE INTO THE
EXTENT IT BRINGS PEOPLE INTO THE COUNTRY THEY DON’T FEEL ARE THE
COUNTRY THEY DON’T FEEL ARE THE KIND OF PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY,
KIND OF PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY, THAT MEANS WHITE, WEALTHIER
THAT MEANS WHITE, WEALTHIER EUROPEANS.
EUROPEANS. THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE
THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND
REPUBLICAN PARTY AND IMMIGRATION, THEY WERE THE
IMMIGRATION, THEY WERE THE CHAMPIONS OF LEGAL IMMIGRATION.
CHAMPIONS OF LEGAL IMMIGRATION. THAT’S ERODED OVER THE YEARS.
THAT’S ERODED OVER THE YEARS. WHETHER THAT’S BECAUSE OF
WHETHER THAT’S BECAUSE OF AUTOMATION AND THEY CAN GET A
AUTOMATION AND THEY CAN GET A COMPUTER CHIP TO TAKE THE JOBS
COMPUTER CHIP TO TAKE THE JOBS BUT THERE’S NO MORE THE LOBBY
BUT THERE’S NO MORE THE LOBBY THAT MADE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
THAT MADE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY PRO IMMIGRATION.
PRO IMMIGRATION. THAT JUST HAS EVAPORATED UNDER
THAT JUST HAS EVAPORATED UNDER DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP. IT MAY COME BACK AFTER DONALD
IT MAY COME BACK AFTER DONALD TRUMP AND STEPHEN MILLER LEAVE
TRUMP AND STEPHEN MILLER LEAVE THE WHITE HOUSE, BUT NOT THERE
THE WHITE HOUSE, BUT NOT THERE AT THE MOMENT.
AT THE MOMENT. >> A BIG STEP IN THAT DIRECTION.
>> A BIG STEP IN THAT DIRECTION. >> WILLIE, WHAT’S SO
>> WILLIE, WHAT’S SO FASCINATING, KATTY BRINGS UP A
FASCINATING, KATTY BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.
GOOD POINT. WHEN I WAS IN THE REPUBLICAN
WHEN I WAS IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THE LEADERS OF THE
PARTY THE LEADERS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WERE FAR MORE
REPUBLICAN PARTY WERE FAR MORE FOR -- I WON’T SAY OPEN BORDERS.
FOR -- I WON’T SAY OPEN BORDERS. BUT HAD VERY LIBERAL VIEWS ON
BUT HAD VERY LIBERAL VIEWS ON IMMIGRATION.
IMMIGRATION. THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL"
THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL" EDITORIAL PAGE HAD WHAT I
EDITORIAL PAGE HAD WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE VERY LIBERAL
CONSIDER TO BE VERY LIBERAL VIEWS ON IMMIGRATION.
VIEWS ON IMMIGRATION. AND THE BELIEF WAS REPUBLICANS
AND THE BELIEF WAS REPUBLICANS WANTED AS MANY IMMIGRANTS AS
WANTED AS MANY IMMIGRANTS AS POSSIBLE IN THE UNITED STATES SO
POSSIBLE IN THE UNITED STATES SO THEY COULD HAVE A LESS EXPENSIVE
THEY COULD HAVE A LESS EXPENSIVE WORKFORCE.
WORKFORCE. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> AND DEMOCRATS WANTED MORE
>> AND DEMOCRATS WANTED MORE IMMIGRANTS IN THE UNITED STATES
IMMIGRANTS IN THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED THAT IT
BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED THAT IT BENEFITTED THEM POLITICALLY.
BENEFITTED THEM POLITICALLY. I MEAN, THAT’S THE MORE CYNICAL
I MEAN, THAT’S THE MORE CYNICAL VIEW OF BOTH PARTIES BUT WILLIE,
VIEW OF BOTH PARTIES BUT WILLIE, TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHEN I GOT
TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHEN I GOT UP THERE IN ’94, ’95, WHETHER IT
UP THERE IN ’94, ’95, WHETHER IT WAS NEWT GINGRICH OR WHETHER IT
WAS NEWT GINGRICH OR WHETHER IT WAS TRENT LOTT, WHETHER IT WAS
WAS TRENT LOTT, WHETHER IT WAS ALL THESE SO CALLED
ALL THESE SO CALLED CONSERVATIVES, THEY HAD A VIEW
CONSERVATIVES, THEY HAD A VIEW OF IMMIGRATION THAT WAS MORE IN
OF IMMIGRATION THAT WAS MORE IN LINE WITH RONALD REAGAN’S VIEW
LINE WITH RONALD REAGAN’S VIEW OF IMMIGRATION, WHICH OF COURSE
OF IMMIGRATION, WHICH OF COURSE WE HAVE ALL TALKED ABOUT RONALD
WE HAVE ALL TALKED ABOUT RONALD REAGAN’S FAREWELL SPEECH TO
REAGAN’S FAREWELL SPEECH TO AMERICA.
AMERICA. IT WAS A REPUBLICAN PARTY WHO
IT WAS A REPUBLICAN PARTY WHO BELIEVED THAT AMERICA’S SUCCESS
BELIEVED THAT AMERICA’S SUCCESS DEPENDED ON GETTING MORE
DEPENDED ON GETTING MORE IMMIGRANTS INTO THE UNITED
IMMIGRANTS INTO THE UNITED STATES AND CONTINUING THAT
STATES AND CONTINUING THAT 200-YEAR TRADITION.
200-YEAR TRADITION. >> AND THAT CONTINUED UP THROUGH
>> AND THAT CONTINUED UP THROUGH GEORGE W. BUSH, JOHN McCAIN.
GEORGE W. BUSH, JOHN McCAIN. BUT THAT’S LONG GONE NOW.
BUT THAT’S LONG GONE NOW. >>> COMING UP, THE REPORTER WHO
