But what I think is cool about this is that he's not so fancy
with it.
And you see we don't have too many clips of us of having
him talk per se because he's not the most entertaining person
to listen to always but but listen to what he had to say,
if you're trying to convince the public to do something you
have to say.
Okay.
How's this going to read?
And what message are we going to try to convey?
What will people respond to what would I respond to if I
was you?
Sort of an objective member of the public and so that's that's
really, you know, if you're trying to change people's minds.
I'll get people fired up about something then you got to
think. Okay.
What's that message?
What's going to get them really excited?
I said wait a minute.
Wait, wait a minute.
There's just like disgustingly simple and you would think
and look at it like not this that's it.
Like that's all it takes.
Yes, what what parts of that do you feel are relevant?
Right?
Like it kind of from a marketing standpoint just how you
see creativity and things like that.
Is it really that simple for like some of us introverts who
don't believe the hype like nah, there's no way marketing
is that easy are certain parts of it really that simple So
so yeah, I would say that some of it is that simple right?
I would say if you're trying to figure out what works you
just got to know what works for your audience right now how
to figure out what works for your audience is a different
situation, but he went really basic of all right, if you
think of something and you think it works, you know go to
your audience.
Make sure it works.
Like I'm like dude what like billionaire.
Hello.
Hello.
Like can you give me something else like you're giving me
the most basic stuff?
But I mean it goes back to some of the advice that I give
maybe we're seeking a more complicated answer because it
shouldn't be that easy and sometimes it really is, you know,
sometimes it really is just like yo, just put it out.
out there Yo this if you want to figure them out, you know,
just some what would they like?
What do they do?
They do on a regular basis figured that out.
And so sometimes yes it is that simple so I can't be mad
at him.
I'm mad as monotone voice.
But I mean, I can't be mad at him for saying it that simple
because maybe the level of success.
We're almost expecting a dancer Like works because we always
Overlook the simple stuff.
Like you can't you can't tell me just read people like okay
cool. Now I'm going to ask you how so you told me what to
do. Now.
I'm going to ask how but the what is normally very simple.
You know what I find that this happens a lot with people
who have an You needed a match Talent with skill.
Like what they're excited to work hard toward is what they're
naturally gifted to do.
Like they didn't fail too much and trying to find what is
it that they're going to do if you think about it, like I
don't want to say he struck gold, but he pretty much did
right. So it's a rare scenario where he invents a a video
game at 12 years old graduates college and then kind of hits
it hits a homerun with his first business, right?
It's like I've already had more failures in my life.
If time more than he had between you know 12 and college,
but I think that's what happens when you speak to people
who have struck it with talent and skill and it's come to
them that easy they come they don't know how to really describe
it. Like I often asked like certain Concepts around either
whether it be a storytelling or just speaking even with someone
like e for him because it's come so natural certain parts
of it, you know.
He is almost confused.
Like why are you struggling with this concept so much like
this. This is what it is.
And of course after spending time with people he's so great
at reading people that he can better articulate some of those
Concepts but that's definitely one of those rare cases where
you see that talent and skill are a match and it just comes
off in their mind like well, that's all I did and of course
he doesn't to the greatest job of explaining it.
