>>> WE ARE BACK.
>>> WE ARE BACK. IT IS 7:39.
IT IS 7:39. AROUND THE WORLD RACING TO STOP
AROUND THE WORLD RACING TO STOP THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC.
THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC. YOU SPENT TIME YESTERDAY WITH
YOU SPENT TIME YESTERDAY WITH SOMEONE WHO IS STEPPING UP TO
SOMEONE WHO IS STEPPING UP TO HELP IN A BIG WAY.
HELP IN A BIG WAY. >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. BILLIONAIRE, ENTREPRENEUR BILL
BILLIONAIRE, ENTREPRENEUR BILL GATES HAS HIS FOUNDATION AND HAS
GATES HAS HIS FOUNDATION AND HAS DONATED MORE THAN $250 MILLION
DONATED MORE THAN $250 MILLION TO COVID-19 RESEARCH.
TO COVID-19 RESEARCH. HE’S ALSO THROWING RESOURCES
HE’S ALSO THROWING RESOURCES BEHIND TESTS, TREATMENTS AND
BEHIND TESTS, TREATMENTS AND VACCINES FOR THE VIRUS.
VACCINES FOR THE VIRUS. HE SPOKE AT LENGTH ABOUT WHAT
HE SPOKE AT LENGTH ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE AND HIS
THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE AND HIS PREDICTION OF A PANDEMIC YEARS
PREDICTION OF A PANDEMIC YEARS AGO HE HOPED WOULD BETTER
AGO HE HOPED WOULD BETTER PREPARE US FOR WHAT WE ARE NOW
PREPARE US FOR WHAT WE ARE NOW FACING.
FACING. >> YOU HAVE MADE FIGHTING
>> YOU HAVE MADE FIGHTING INFECTIOUS DISEASE REALLY YOUR
INFECTIOUS DISEASE REALLY YOUR LIFE’S WORK, THE SECOND HALF OF
LIFE’S WORK, THE SECOND HALF OF YOUR LIFE.
YOUR LIFE. MY FIRST QUESTION IS JUST WHERE
MY FIRST QUESTION IS JUST WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF
WE ARE RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF THIS PANDEMIC.
THIS PANDEMIC. THAT FAMOUS SAYING, ARE WE AT
THAT FAMOUS SAYING, ARE WE AT THE END OF THE BEGINNING OR THE
THE END OF THE BEGINNING OR THE BEGINNING OF THE END?
BEGINNING OF THE END? >> I WISH I COULD SAY WE’RE
>> I WISH I COULD SAY WE’RE HALFWAY THROUGH BUT I DON’T
HALFWAY THROUGH BUT I DON’T THINK SO.
THINK SO. IT TAKES TIME TO MAKE A VACCINE.
IT TAKES TIME TO MAKE A VACCINE. THERE’S A LOT ABOUT THE DISEASE
THERE’S A LOT ABOUT THE DISEASE WE DON’T UNDERSTAND.
WE DON’T UNDERSTAND. WE KNOW THAT WE CAN GET OUT OF
WE KNOW THAT WE CAN GET OUT OF THIS BUT IT’S GOING TO BE A
THIS BUT IT’S GOING TO BE A WHILE BEFORE THINGS GO BACK TO
WHILE BEFORE THINGS GO BACK TO NORMAL.
NORMAL. >> YOU FAMOUSLY TALKED ABOUT A
>> YOU FAMOUSLY TALKED ABOUT A COMING PANDEMIC AS THIS
COMING PANDEMIC AS THIS NIGHTMARE SCENARIO IN 2015 ON
NIGHTMARE SCENARIO IN 2015 ON THE HEELS OF THE EBOLA CRISIS.
THE HEELS OF THE EBOLA CRISIS. YOU SAID IN YOUR TED TALK THAT
YOU SAID IN YOUR TED TALK THAT YOU WORRIED ABOUT A VIRUS THAT
YOU WORRIED ABOUT A VIRUS THAT COULD BE 1,000 TIMES WORSE.
COULD BE 1,000 TIMES WORSE. >> IF ANYTHING KILLS OVER 10
>> IF ANYTHING KILLS OVER 10 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE NEXT FEW
MILLION PEOPLE IN THE NEXT FEW DECADE, IT’S MOST LIKELY TO BE A
DECADE, IT’S MOST LIKELY TO BE A HIGHLY INFECTIOUS VIRUS RATHER
HIGHLY INFECTIOUS VIRUS RATHER THAN A WAR.
THAN A WAR. >> IS THIS THAT VIRUS?
>> IS THIS THAT VIRUS? >> YES.
>> YES. THE HUMAN-TO-HUMAN RESPIRATORY
THE HUMAN-TO-HUMAN RESPIRATORY SPREAD IS THE NIGHTMARE.
SPREAD IS THE NIGHTMARE. I WISH IT HAD COME FIVE TO TEN
I WISH IT HAD COME FIVE TO TEN YEARS LATER, THEN GOVERNMENTS
YEARS LATER, THEN GOVERNMENTS MIGHT HAVE DONE THE PREPARATION
MIGHT HAVE DONE THE PREPARATION TO MOVE QUICKLY LIKE A FEW
TO MOVE QUICKLY LIKE A FEW GOVERNMENTS DID AND THE
GOVERNMENTS DID AND THE TECHNOLOGIES WOULD HAVE BEEN
TECHNOLOGIES WOULD HAVE BEEN FURTHER ALONG.
FURTHER ALONG. >> LET’S TALK ABOUT WHAT’S
>> LET’S TALK ABOUT WHAT’S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. THERE ARE STATES LIKE GEORGIA
THERE ARE STATES LIKE GEORGIA POISED TO REOPEN SOME PARTS OF
POISED TO REOPEN SOME PARTS OF THEIR ECONOMY.
THEIR ECONOMY. WHAT’S YOUR THOUGHT ON THE
WHAT’S YOUR THOUGHT ON THE WISDOM OF THAT.
WISDOM OF THAT. IS THERE ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY
IS THERE ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY THAT’S READY FOR THAT
THAT’S READY FOR THAT INDEPENDENT COULD OF REOPENING?
INDEPENDENT COULD OF REOPENING? >> WE KNOW THAT IF YOU GO FULLY
>> WE KNOW THAT IF YOU GO FULLY BACK TO NORMAL MIXING BUT THEN
BACK TO NORMAL MIXING BUT THEN YOU GET ONTO THAT EXPONENTIAL
YOU GET ONTO THAT EXPONENTIAL GROWTH CURVE, I’M AFRAID WE HAVE
GROWTH CURVE, I’M AFRAID WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE AND SOME STATES THAT
SOME PEOPLE AND SOME STATES THAT MOVE TOO QUICKLY AND HAVE TO
MOVE TOO QUICKLY AND HAVE TO BACK OFF.
BACK OFF. >> DR. FAUCI SAID HE’S CERTAIN
>> DR. FAUCI SAID HE’S CERTAIN THERE WILL BE A SECOND WAVE OF
THERE WILL BE A SECOND WAVE OF THIS VIRUS.
THIS VIRUS. WHAT’S YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON HOW
WHAT’S YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON HOW BAD IT COULD BE?
BAD IT COULD BE? >> IF WE’RE STILL BEING CAREFUL
>> IF WE’RE STILL BEING CAREFUL ABOUT SOCIAL CONTACT, IF WE’VE
ABOUT SOCIAL CONTACT, IF WE’VE GOT THE TESTING CAPACITY UP, I’M
GOT THE TESTING CAPACITY UP, I’M HOPEFUL THAT THE FALL WILL NOT
HOPEFUL THAT THE FALL WILL NOT BE NEARLY AS BAD AS THIS FIRST
BE NEARLY AS BAD AS THIS FIRST PEAK.
PEAK. THE FLU IS A CHALLENGE BECAUSE
THE FLU IS A CHALLENGE BECAUSE THE SYMPTOMS ARE COMMON ENOUGH
THE SYMPTOMS ARE COMMON ENOUGH THAT KNOWING EXACTLY HOW TO
THAT KNOWING EXACTLY HOW TO TEST, WHICH ARE PEOPLE WITH
TEST, WHICH ARE PEOPLE WITH SYMPTOMS, WILL BE A LITTLE
SYMPTOMS, WILL BE A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE
CONFUSED BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE FLU INFECTIONS.
FLU INFECTIONS. >> THE GATES FOUNDATION IS VERY
>> THE GATES FOUNDATION IS VERY MUCH AT THE FOREFRONT ON THIS
MUCH AT THE FOREFRONT ON THIS HUNT FOR A VACCINE.
HUNT FOR A VACCINE. WE’VE ALL LEARNED BY NOW THE
WE’VE ALL LEARNED BY NOW THE TIME LINE, THE HOPEFUL TIME LINE
TIME LINE, THE HOPEFUL TIME LINE OF 12 TO 18 MONTHS.
OF 12 TO 18 MONTHS. THAT IS HIGHLY EXPEDITED TRACK,
THAT IS HIGHLY EXPEDITED TRACK, A FASTTRACK FOR A VACCINE.
A FASTTRACK FOR A VACCINE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY?
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY? >> USUALLY A VACCINE TAKES OVER
>> USUALLY A VACCINE TAKES OVER FIVE YEARS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE
FIVE YEARS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE MANY STEPS THAT YOU WANT TO DO
MANY STEPS THAT YOU WANT TO DO IN A SERIAL WAY.
IN A SERIAL WAY. HERE BECAUSE OF ALL THE
HERE BECAUSE OF ALL THE INCREDIBLY NEGATIVE EFFECTS, THE
INCREDIBLY NEGATIVE EFFECTS, THE SOONER THE BETTER.
SOONER THE BETTER. THERE ARE 100 EFFORTS BUT MAYBE
THERE ARE 100 EFFORTS BUT MAYBE 10 OF THOSE SHOULD GET THE
10 OF THOSE SHOULD GET THE RESOURCES TO BUILD FACTORIES AND
RESOURCES TO BUILD FACTORIES AND GO FULL SPEED AHEAD.
GO FULL SPEED AHEAD. SO THE BEST SCIENTISTS WORKING
SO THE BEST SCIENTISTS WORKING HARD ON THIS, AND I’M HOPEFUL.
HARD ON THIS, AND I’M HOPEFUL. IN FACT, IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS,
IN FACT, IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS, I’VE SEEN SIGNS THAT WE MAY GET
I’VE SEEN SIGNS THAT WE MAY GET TO THE OPTIMISTIC SIDE OF THAT
TO THE OPTIMISTIC SIDE OF THAT TIME PROJECTION.
TIME PROJECTION. >> IF THERE’S BEEN ANY AREA THAT
>> IF THERE’S BEEN ANY AREA THAT SEEMS TO BE BEDEVILLING DURING
SEEMS TO BE BEDEVILLING DURING THIS CRISIS, IT’S TESTING.
THIS CRISIS, IT’S TESTING. I WONDER HOW YOU ASSESS HOW THE
I WONDER HOW YOU ASSESS HOW THE U.S. HAS DONE ON TESTING, AND
U.S. HAS DONE ON TESTING, AND WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE ISSUE HERE?
WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE ISSUE HERE? >> WELL, MANY COUNTRIES DECIDED
>> WELL, MANY COUNTRIES DECIDED THAT AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL THEY
THAT AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL THEY WOULD ORCHESTRATE THE TESTING.
WOULD ORCHESTRATE THE TESTING. THAT HASN’T HAPPENED IN THE
THAT HASN’T HAPPENED IN THE UNITED STATES.
UNITED STATES. IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN.
IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN. BUT THE ACCESS TO TESTS IS JUST
BUT THE ACCESS TO TESTS IS JUST CHAOTIC.
CHAOTIC. >> THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID HE’S
>> THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID HE’S GOING TO PUT FUNDING FOR THE
GOING TO PUT FUNDING FOR THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION ON
WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION ON HOLD.
HOLD. WHAT EFFECT DO YOU THINK THAT
WHAT EFFECT DO YOU THINK THAT WILL HAVE RIGHT NOW PULLING THAT
WILL HAVE RIGHT NOW PULLING THAT FUNDING IN THE MIDST OF A
FUNDING IN THE MIDST OF A PANDEMIC.
PANDEMIC. >> I’M HOPEFUL WE WON’T CUT THAT
>> I’M HOPEFUL WE WON’T CUT THAT MONEY OFF.
MONEY OFF. IN FACT, W.H.O. NEEDS MORE
IN FACT, W.H.O. NEEDS MORE RESOURCES DURING THIS TIME TO
RESOURCES DURING THIS TIME TO STEP UP TO THEIR ROLE OF
STEP UP TO THEIR ROLE OF INTERNATIONAL COORDINATION.
INTERNATIONAL COORDINATION. THE WORLD WANTS THE U.S. TO PLAY
THE WORLD WANTS THE U.S. TO PLAY THAT ROLE IN TERMS OF RESEARCH
THAT ROLE IN TERMS OF RESEARCH AND FUNDING AND COLLABORATION,
AND FUNDING AND COLLABORATION, SO THAT’S STILL AN OPPORTUNITY
SO THAT’S STILL AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THE U.S. HAS THAT WE
THAT THE U.S. HAS THAT WE HAVEN’T SEIZED YET.
HAVEN’T SEIZED YET. >> I KNOW YOU’RE WORKING ON
>> I KNOW YOU’RE WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE GATES FOUNDATION,
BEHALF OF THE GATES FOUNDATION, SO YOUR SELF-ISOLATION ISN’T
SO YOUR SELF-ISOLATION ISN’T EQUAL TO OURS.
EQUAL TO OURS. I GUESS YOU’RE NOT WATCHING
I GUESS YOU’RE NOT WATCHING TIGER KING OR NETFLIX BUT WHAT
TIGER KING OR NETFLIX BUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THE EXTRA
ARE YOU DOING WITH THE EXTRA TIME THESE DAYS?
TIME THESE DAYS? >> WELL, MY DAUGHTER DID GET ME
>> WELL, MY DAUGHTER DID GET ME TO WATCH "TIGER KING."
TO WATCH "TIGER KING." AT NIGHT, A LITTLE DISTRACTION
AT NIGHT, A LITTLE DISTRACTION IS ALLOWED, EVEN THOUGH IT’S A
IS ALLOWED, EVEN THOUGH IT’S A BUSY TIME.
BUSY TIME. >> LET’S TALK ABOUT THE WORLD
>> LET’S TALK ABOUT THE WORLD GOING FORWARD.
GOING FORWARD. DR. FAUCI SAID THE OTHER DAY, I
DR. FAUCI SAID THE OTHER DAY, I THINK HE WAS JOKING, THAT
THINK HE WAS JOKING, THAT HANDSHAKING IS A THING OF THE
HANDSHAKING IS A THING OF THE PAST OR SHOULD BE.
PAST OR SHOULD BE. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT’S
HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT’S CHANGED FOREVER?
CHANGED FOREVER? >> I DO THINK SOME OF THE
>> I DO THINK SOME OF THE DIGITAL APPROACHES THAT WERE
DIGITAL APPROACHES THAT WERE CATCHING ON ANYWAY HAVE BEEN
CATCHING ON ANYWAY HAVE BEEN ACCELERATED.
ACCELERATED. EVEN I’M SURPRISED THAT DOING
EVEN I’M SURPRISED THAT DOING THESE MEETINGS DIGITALLY FOR A
THESE MEETINGS DIGITALLY FOR A LOT OF THINGS WORKS PRETTY WELL.
LOT OF THINGS WORKS PRETTY WELL. WE REALLY NEED EXPERTS IN
WE REALLY NEED EXPERTS IN GOVERNMENT, AND THEY NEED TO
GOVERNMENT, AND THEY NEED TO THINK THROUGH THESE SCENARIOS TO
THINK THROUGH THESE SCENARIOS TO PROTECT US FROM ANY FUTURE
PROTECT US FROM ANY FUTURE PANDEMIC.
PANDEMIC. I THINK THERE WILL BE A LOT OF
I THINK THERE WILL BE A LOT OF CHANGE.
CHANGE. I HOPE IT’S MORE ABOUT THE WORLD
I HOPE IT’S MORE ABOUT THE WORLD WORKING TOGETHER TO SOLVE BIG,
WORKING TOGETHER TO SOLVE BIG, BIG PROBLEMS.
BIG PROBLEMS. >> ACTUALLY, GUYS, GATES HAS
>> ACTUALLY, GUYS, GATES HAS LIKENED THIS FIGHT AGAINST
LIKENED THIS FIGHT AGAINST COVID-19 TO A WORLD WAR EXCEPT
COVID-19 TO A WORLD WAR EXCEPT THIS TIME WE’RE ALL ON THE SAME
THIS TIME WE’RE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE.
SIDE. HE’S REALLY HOPEFUL.
HE’S REALLY HOPEFUL. JUST LIKE WE SAW DURING WORLD
JUST LIKE WE SAW DURING WORLD WAR II, THERE WILL BE AN
WAR II, THERE WILL BE AN EXPLOSION OF INNOVATION AND
EXPLOSION OF INNOVATION AND INGENUITY, PERSONAL WHEN IT
INGENUITY, PERSONAL WHEN IT COMES TO VACCINES AND TESTING SO
COMES TO VACCINES AND TESTING SO WE’RE LESS VULNERABLE IN THE
WE’RE LESS VULNERABLE IN THE FUTURE.
FUTURE. HE THINKS IT’S INEVITABLE IT
HE THINKS IT’S INEVITABLE IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN.
WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. >> I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT
>> I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT 12 TO 18 MONTHS FOR THE VACCINE
12 TO 18 MONTHS FOR THE VACCINE WAS THE FASTTRACK.
WAS THE FASTTRACK. I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE EXPECTED
I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE EXPECTED TRACK.
TRACK. I LEARNED A LOT FROM THAT.
I LEARNED A LOT FROM THAT. >> YES.
>> YES. IT’S A HUGE FASTTRACK.
IT’S A HUGE FASTTRACK. HE’S ACTUALLY HOPEFUL, AND I
HE’S ACTUALLY HOPEFUL, AND I THINK THIS WAS THE MOST
THINK THIS WAS THE MOST INTERESTING THING THAT HE SAID,
INTERESTING THING THAT HE SAID, AND HE KNOWS, BECAUSE HE KNOWS
AND HE KNOWS, BECAUSE HE KNOWS THE DIFFERENT VACCINES
THE DIFFERENT VACCINES POTENTIALLY IN THE PIPELINE,
POTENTIALLY IN THE PIPELINE, THAT MAYBE IT WILL BE ON THE
THAT MAYBE IT WILL BE ON THE SHORTER END OF THAT.
SHORTER END OF THAT. THAT WOULD BE HUGE, TOTALLY
THAT WOULD BE HUGE, TOTALLY UNPRECEDENTED IN TERMS OF THE
UNPRECEDENTED IN TERMS OF THE SCIENCE.
SCIENCE. >> ARGUABLY NO ONE HAS PUT THEIR
>> ARGUABLY NO ONE HAS PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS LIKE
MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS LIKE BILL GATES.
BILL GATES. TO THINK HE ALSO WATCHES "TIGER
TO THINK HE ALSO WATCHES "TIGER KING" HE REALLY IS JUST LIKE THE
KING" HE REALLY IS JUST LIKE THE REST OF US.
REST OF US. >> I KNOW.
>> I KNOW. THEN WE CHATTED AFTERWARDS, AND
