About 180 years ago Joseph Smith the
founder of Mormonism perpetrated a fraud
upon the Mormon people and in this video
I want to tell you about that fraud
during today's Tuesday livestream where
we tackle apologetics and theology every
Tuesday at 5:00 p.m. Pacific Standard
Time if I can remember where I live we
tackle the issues of theology and
apologetics and I do take your questions
at the end of this live stream and so as
we're about to jump into the topic of
how to not just guess but prove that
Mormonism's foundations were a lie that
Joseph Smith perpetrated a fraud upon
the Mormon people and Mormons are,
they're the victims, victims of Joseph
Smith and what he did. We're gonna
prove that today! You can be typing in
your questions throughout this live
stream and my buddy AJ Bernard he is
going to take your questions and he's
gonna send them to me through my very
intelligent phone and I will answer
those questions at the end of the stream
so whatever whatever those questions are
as they pop up especially if they relate
to the the question at hand which is the
Book of Abraham and Joseph Smith I'm
especially interested in those but I'll
take any question you've got and answer
to the best of my ability today I'm Mike
winger and this is my youtube channel
and if you have not subscribed yet I do
encourage you to go to the subscribe
button click it and even hit the little
bell icon and that way you get
notifications when I go live like this
as well as whenever I put up a new video
which right now is three times a week so
we've got a lot of good biblical content
learning how to think biblically about
everything in our lives going on okay so
let's let's jump into the content you
don't wanna look at this guy you want to
look at this guy right here this is
Joseph Smith this good-looking guy and
and he is a good-looking guy at least in
this picture although this might be more
of a Instagram type thing where when you
meet him in person you might have been a
little disappointed but anyhow that's
Joseph Smith he is the founder of
Mormonism Mormonism is a massive
religion worldwide with lots of little
offshoots but the main branch of
Mormonism the Church of Jesus Christ of
latter-day saints also known as the L
yes or latter-day saints they have about
15 million LDS members across the globe
right now and here's a picture of the
the temple where they gather in Utah
Salt Lake City Utah this is considered
really the holiest spot for the the
Mormon person now what I want to do
today is ask the question apart from
just praying apart from just kind of
feeling it out how can I test Mormonism
to see if it's true and there is a
perfect way to test it nowadays to prove
I mean beyond a shadow of a doubt beyond
any reasonable doubt to prove that
Mormonism is either true or false and
when you subject Mormonism to this test
you have your answer and you can go on
your merry way
knowing that you have now figured out
the reality of this situation so for you
to understand how this works I'm gonna
need to tell you about the Book of
Abraham the book of Abraham is Mormon
scripture it's part of there basically
as a Christian you think of this as part
of their Bible and it is but you need to
hear the story of how the Book of
Abraham came out so let's back up a
little bit and we'll go back quite a bit
almost 180 years approximately to 1835
and in 1835 that is when Mormonism was
being founded this is the beginnings
that the baby period of Mormonism where
Joseph Smith this guy shows up and he
says I have new fresh revelation from
God I have gifts on the seer and I'm the
Prophet I am the one who speaks on
behalf of God to this generation and he
came and he brought new scriptures to be
added to the Bible and he says he
restored the gospel so in 1835 here's
what happened the Mormons were they're
centered around Kirtland Ohio and into
Kirtland Ohio came a traveling group and
this traveling group and this is this is
agreed upon by Mormons I'm not giving
you some sort of secret history this is
all well-known stuff right this
traveling group had a mummy ex
exhibition so they had four mummies from
ancient Egypt that they brought in along
with two papyrus scrolls and the the
Mormons they saw these mummies they saw
these scrolls and what they were most
excited about was the scrolls because
this guy Michael Chandler he was
claiming that these mummies
and this Scootie scrolls these papyrus
went back all the way to the time of the
patriarchs you know Abraham Isaac Jacob
the claim was it went all the way back
to them so this was very exciting for
them because you see the the Mormons
have been told that Joseph Smith had a
gift of translation and a gift of seeing
ancient languages and being able to
interpret them from the power of God so
I mean imagine if you were a Mormon back
then you'd be like look ancient texts
that may date back to to Abraham Isaac
and Jacob we know who can translate
these now yes that now you might think
be thinking hey it's Egyptian everybody
knows Egyptian nowadays right I mean
just Google Translate could probably do
it for me but but back then the Rosetta
Stone which unlocked the Egyptian
language had only recently been found
and the only people really doing work in
Egyptian was in Europe in France and so
in America nobody knew Egyptian nobody
knew how to understand what was written
on these documents so they got really
excited because maybe Joseph can
understand this they didn't realize the
work was going on elsewhere so the
Mormon Church did some fundraising and
Joseph Smith raised two thousand four
hundred dollars to purchase these four
mummies and these two scrolls and some
other fragments as well
now that's a lot of money that's about
sixty thousand dollars in modern modern
currency nowadays because I'm of
inflation so the this this document he
gets and he starts looking at these and
he claims claims that he had now has a
document that was not only from the time
of Abraham Isaac and Jacob but was
written by the hand of Abraham himself
this is what Joseph Smith claims which
would be very exciting if it's true so
he begins to translate this document and
it takes him about seven years before he
finally publishes the Joseph Smith
translation of what is called now The
Book of Abraham now to verify this I'm
gonna read a couple
entries from Joseph Smith's diary these
are been printed by the Mormon Church
and it says in the following Joseph
Smith his diary he says Sunday July 5th
1835 with WWF Phelps and Oliver Cowdery
as scribes I commenced the translation
of some of the characters or
hieroglyphics and much to our joy found
that one of the scrolls contained the
writings
of Abraham and another the writings of
Joseph of Egypt more more full account
of which will appear in its place as I
proceed to examine or unfold them truly
we can say the Lord is beginning to
reveal the abundance of peace and truth
and that's in the history of of the
church and you can look that up for
yourself
in fact what I'll do is as much as I can
I'll put some links in the description
after this live stream is over and you
guys can double check and confirm
because I do not want you to take my
word for it in fact that's kind of the
point of the livestream isn't it don't
just take people's word for it so on
another of his journal entries in late
July of 1835 says the remainder of this
month I was continually engaged in
translating an alphabet of the Book of
Abraham and arranging a grammar of the
Egyptian language as practiced by the
ancients so Josephus says he's he's
translating this right from the text
itself into the Book of Abraham in
English for people to have that day also
October 1st 1835 he says this afternoon
I labored on the Egyptian alphabet I
labored on the Egyptian alphabet and so
all these are of course these documents
are all printed and these these journal
entries are all recorded from the LDS
for us to read then finally the last one
I'll read was Thursday November 26th
1835 he says at home we spent the day in
transcribing Egyptian characters from
the papyrus and so this is this is a
claim from Joseph Smith that we we're
I'm excited about you should be excited
about too because whenever people make
testable claims they have a chance to
prove themselves true or prove
themselves false and either way we all
win because we're drawn closer to truth
right now
there are some who would who will
already start to say some some maybe LDS
people who would be like Mike you're not
you're wrong um he didn't say that those
exact writings were from Abraham but but
let me read now from the diary of
Wilfred Woodruff who is no small bean in
in the LDS history he was part of the
quorum of the twelve and he ended up
being the fourth president of the LDS
now the president is not just a
governmental position in the LDS Church
it is a
spiritual authoritative position in the
church and so he wrote in February 19th
1842 the Lord is blessing Joseph with
power to reveal mysteries of the kingdom
of God to translate through the ordem
and Thummim those were basically special
glasses he wore he called him or him and
Thummim I'm not gonna explain that today
as I continue reading he says ancient
records and hieroglyphics as old as
Abraham or Adam Joseph the seer has
presented us some of the Book of Abraham
which was quote written by his own hand
but hid from the knowledge of man for
the last 4,000 years and that actually
is going to be the claim let me show you
specifically from the book of Abraham
because look this is the Doctrine and
Covenants in the pearl of great price
these these are documents that are
considered authoritative Scripture in
the Mormon Church over here the pearl of
great price
well that contains within it the Book of
Abraham and I know you can't see this so
I went in and took a picture of it and
blew it up for you
in the introduction to the Book of
Abraham the LDS Church has printed
really from Joseph Smith this phrase
translated from the papyrus by Joseph
Smith so where's it translated from
these papyrus those same papyrus a
translation of some ancient records that
have fallen into our hands from the
catacombs of Egypt the writings of
Abraham while he was in Egypt called the
Book of Abraham written by his own hand
upon papyrus that's so so important that
we established this the claim of Joseph
is that Abraham himself he wrote down
the stuff on these exact papyri that's
just a plural for papyrus right like
these exact documents Abraham wrote them
so that is that is really important the
next thing to know is really important
as well and that is that in 1880 that's
when the church canonized or said this
is God's inspired Word so they elevated
it right up there absolutely equal with
the Bible as God inspired Word
okay now these now this is now part of
the standard works of the church and so
we can really judge this as being the
foundation upon which the church stands
we can say hey the the the credibility
of Joseph Smith hangs upon this document
the credibility of the Mormon Church and
its new revelation from God hangs upon
this as well
now unfortunately the papyrus themselves
were for years and years no one was able
to examine them you know even later when
they found Egyptian and more Egyptian
knowledge and they started to be able to
understand and decipher these
hieroglyphs you couldn't get a hold of
the papyrus because they were lost or so
we thought in the Great Chicago Fire of
1871 now what did happen was inside that
same Book of Abraham Joseph Smith
included pictures or drawings fact
similes that were meant to be copies of
the original documents so he actually
includes those in the modern-day
versions of the Book of Abraham here's
an example
so here's him actually he's drawn or
someone near him has drawn these
pictures saying this is the papyrus this
is one of the papyrus we used in order
to translate this stuff now it's kind of
cool for us who are interested in this
stuff is he actually includes notice
than numbers there's a little one
there's a little three there's a little
two you see these you see these little
numbers over here this stuff is is um is
it connected to explanations where he
says this is what these things mean so
he interprets the images on these
ancient pictures and he doesn't just
interpret them and general he interprets
them in the context of the of the
divinely inspired Word of God that the
LDS claims the book Abraham is so the
angel of the Lord this Eagle figure up
here that's angel of the Lord the guy on
the tables Abraham over here this this
other scary-looking dude he's you know
trying to kill Abraham he's got a knife
in his hand he's gonna stab him these
these images on the bottom there's a
little animal images and the bottom
those represent gods and he gives the
names for these gods you know Elkanah
latina mamakara kourosh he names them
and so this is stuff we can actually
test so what they did was they submitted
these these facts similes to
Egyptologists
of the time and the Egyptologists
actually really criticized them a lot
and the Mormon Church they didn't like
obviously didn't like this you're not
gonna like this if you believe this
stuff is true you're gonna be offended
by that I think or at least bothered so
the Mormon Church said you know what
all you Egyptologists you're you're
wrong but it doesn't matter because you
don't have the originals and if you
can't criticize the originals
you're just you're getting mad at
pictures maybe the pictures weren't that
accurate you know so unfortunately the
the conversation kind of ended right
there but in 1966 something wonderful
happened for Mormons and that is they
found many of the original papyri that
Joseph Smith used they found them
basically buried in the in the New York
Metropolitan Museum of Art now this is
not uncommon right museums have backlogs
of tons of texts just sort of sitting in
the basements waiting for someone to
kind of go through them and try to
catalog them and say what's what well
when they were going through their text
they said hey this is these match the
drawings of Joseph Smith these are
actually the papyrus from him so in 1966
they found them in 1967 they were given
over to the Mormon Church and our
Brigham Young University what one of the
other I forget and then the Mormon
Church came out and officially
proclaimed these are the very same
documents now this is very exciting
right because now what can we do we can
test them we can ask the question is
Joseph Smith legit was his translation
accurate did he know Egyptian before
anyone else did did he get the business
really from Abraham do we have an
ancient text that's older than anything
else we've got and so on they came out
and said things for instance Hugh Nibley
the professor of ancient scripture at
BYU Brigham Young University he
commented in the Journal of BYU studies
he said the following the discovery of
the Book of Abraham papyri is a far more
momentous transaction that might appear
on the surface for it brought back into
play for the first time since the angel
Moroni I took back the golden plates a
tangible link between the worlds that's
that's pretty impressive in fact in the
in the pearl of great price student
manual religion this is something
produced by the LDS Church for
learning about the pearl of great price
about in about the Book of Abraham
they said this the Mormon Church has
said this the Book of Abraham is an
evidence of the inspired calling of the
Prophet Joseph Smith it came forth at a
time when the study of the ancient
Egyptian language and culture was just
beginning the scholars of the 1800s had
scarcely begun to explore the field of
Egyptology and yet with no formal
training in ancient languages and no
knowledge of ancient Egypt except his
work with the Book of Mormon Joseph
Smith began his translation of the
ancient manuscripts his knowledge and
ability came through the power and gift
of God together with his own
determination and faith that quote is
from the pearl of great price student
Manuel religion page 29 and this is this
is significant stuff right ok now we can
test it they're excited we're excited
everyone's excited let's put it to the
test and I can't even let's pause for
second you cannot even imagine how big
of a deal this is you see earlier Joseph
Smith had translated the Book of Mormon
the Book of Mormon have been translated
from these elusive golden plates we
won't get into that today but here's the
main point the the stuff that he says
they were translated from it was taken
up to heaven according to Joseph Smith
so no one ever saw it again no one ever
no one was able to check you couldn't
compare the Book of Mormon to the golden
plates to see if he translated right you
couldn't even look at one letter of the
ancient language for that matter but now
we can do something we can test Joseph
Smith and see if he's a prophet of God
it's pretty powerful cuz I'll tell you
what as a non Mormon if this came out to
show that he really accurately
translated ancient Egyptian I would
really I would consider becoming Mormon
I'd be like wow that's pretty impressive
like how did he do that
you know I would be wondering so what
did we find what was the truth about the
the Book of Abraham and the ancient
papyrus that they found well the truth
was that they dated not to the time of
Abraham but to the second century BC 2nd
century BC now that's kind of a big deal
I'm supposed to be written by Abraham
with his own hand but with the papyrus
dates to 2nd century BC that's about
1,800 years off that's almost as far off
as
are from Jesus right now in the year
2000 that's about how far off it was
from Abraham's time the subject is not
just a date that's the problem because
if it still contains you know you might
say well maybe there's some explanation
but no no the subject these are Egyptian
funerary texts these are actually pagan
and they're full of false gods and false
Egyptian religious content and it's
actually from the book of the Dead and
something called the breathing permit of
hor hor is the name of an individual in
fact that's the guy that's on the table
in the picture that I showed you was an
Abraham there was a guy named hor that
text gives his name so this is about the
afterlife in fact let me let me put the
image back up for you on the screen here
now this is the actual papyrus overlaid
on top of Joseph Smith's drawings of it
what what's interesting about it is a
few things there's missing pieces now he
didn't tell anybody that this was
something they found out about when they
discovered that papyrus there were
missing pieces and he just filled in the
blanks there's a big debate over whether
this guy had arms at all and maybe those
were the wings of another bird a
different type of bird I won't get into
that because it's because that gets us
off track we want to talk about what we
do know now what we don't know well
what's going on here there is there his
an Egyptian deity who's helping a man
named hor he is lying on the bed and his
and this isn't the angel of the lord
this eagle is it wasn't actually an
eagle probably had the man of the head
of a man on it that's what all the other
egyptian hieroglyphics show in that type
of image and there's plenty of them and
down at the bottom those four egyptian
gods that he named those aren't those
names don't exist first off and secondly
they're different they are different
deities but they're not the ones he
named not even close but what these are
is these are canopic jars what they're
there for is holding the organs of the
dead guy right nowadays nowadays we know
what goes on with Egyptian embalming why
do we all know this like I don't know
it's interesting right we're interested
in what happened in ancient Egypt and
what they do when they pulled your brain
out through your nose and stuff like
that but but those were jars for holding
the organs of the dead guy and this is
this is stuff that's meant to help him
get across to the other side
the breathing permit of horror is
actually that it's like to help him to
be able to breathe again in the future
sometime this is this is all cultic
weird stuff that's what we discovered
about The Book of Abraham it literally
had nothing not even a tiny bit to do
with Abraham either in time or in
subject or in content and it wasn't even
about the God of Abraham it wasn't even
from a biblical perspective but from an
Egyptian one whoa that's kind of
interesting isn't it so what do each
apologists actually say about it let me
let me read it to you because that's
what I would want to know right doctor
WM Flinders Petrie from the London
University says the following I've
examined the illustrations given in the
pearl of great price in the first place
they are copies very badly done of
well-known Egyptian subjects of which I
have dozens of examples secondly they
are all many centuries later than
Abraham James H breasted PhD from
haskell oriental Museum in the and the
University of Chicago says the following
Joseph Smith's interpretation of them as
part of a unique revelation through
Abraham therefore very clearly
demonstrates that he was totally
unacquainted with the significance of
these documents and absolutely ignorant
of the simplest facts of Egyptian
writing and civilization let's read a
few more dr. arthur c mace assistant
curator from the Metropolitan Museum of
Art in New York from the Department of
Egyptian art he says The Book of Abraham
it is hardly necessary to say is a pure
fabrication dr. John Peters from the
University of Pennsylvania says the
plates contain in the contained in the
pearl of great price are rather comical
and a very poor imitation of the
Egyptian originals Reverend professor CA
B Mercer PhD he says the following the
explanatory notes to his facsimile
cannot be taken seriously by any scholar
as they seem to be undoubtedly the work
of pure imagination dr. Edward Meyer
from the University of Berlin the
Egyptian Pyrus which Smith declared to
be The Book of Abraham and trained
translated it's in quotes that are
translated or explained in his
fantastical way and of which are three
specimens are published in the pearl of
great price are parts of the well-known
Book of the Dead
although the reproductions are very
one can easily recognize familiar scenes
from this book finally dr. Friedrich
free here of on missing try to save that
name professor of Egyptology in the
University of Munich you didn't join the
lifestream there that's my cat Maxie she
also thinks it's a forgery he says a
careful study has been stood Smith
probably believed seriously to have
deciphered the ancient hieroglyphics but
that he utterly failed what he calls the
Book of Abraham is a funeral Egyptian
text probably not older than the Greek
ages so there's what some of the the
actual Egyptologist professors say but
you might be thinking Mike okay that's
fine you quoted a bunch of non Mormon
Egyptologist what did the Mormons
actually say about this what does the
LDS actually teach are you gonna you're
gonna ruin this thing huh I always
wonder when they're gonna ruin my
livestream so what did they actually
teach well let me read to you from an
article on lds.org called translation
and historicity of the Book of Abraham
this is the official position I mean at
least it's on the official website of
the church and I'll read to you word for
word none of the characters on the
papyrus fragment in Abraham's name or
any of the events recorded in the Book
of Abraham Mormon and non Mormon
Egyptologists agree that the characters
on the fragment do not match the
translation given in the Book of Abraham
do you hear that we read again Mormon
and non Mormon Egyptologists agree that
the characters on the fragments do not
match the translations given in the Book
of Abraham though there is not unanimity
even among non Mormon scholars about the
proper interpretation of the vignettes
on these fragments now that's kind of a
cop-out because what they're really
saying is we're not sure entirely sure
of what every little piece of these
fragments means okay fine
but we know for sure it doesn't mean
that mm-hmm
message of Satan to Buffett me so
reading on in the on the LDS org this is
live stream guys
and it says though there is not
unanimity we read that part that
scholars have identified the papyrus
fragments as part of standard funerary
texts that were deposited with mummified
bodies these fragments date to between
the third century BCE and the first
century CE II long after Abraham lived
so lds.org comes out and says yep these
things are not true
we know these things aren't true in fact
the article concludes and you can go to
the article I will put it in the video
description here after I'm done the
article concludes with this phrase the
last thing they say the truth about the
Book of Abraham is ultimately found
through careful study of its teachings
sincere prayer and the confirmation of
the holy spirit that's how you really
find out because in Mormonism Mormon
apologetics is built on one pillar
evidence doesn't matter just believe it
I could not be a Mormon because of this
I am only a Christian because when I
research the evidence and when I sought
to find the proof for what I believed my
questions were answered and I felt
satisfied intellectually with those
answers I could never be Mormon and I
can't imagine what it feels like to be
raised as a Mormon and then to hear
stuff like this and then maybe get mad
at a guy like me and then go look into
it and find out it's true and then your
whole world's upside down right you
don't know what to believe and they come
to you and they say take it on faith you
know just just believe it you know pray
that God will kind of reveal it to you
that it's true even though it's not let
me finish by quoting as far as quoting
people last quote for you tonight let me
give you a quote from dr. Stephen E
Thompson he is a Mormon Egyptologist
with his PhD in Egyptology and he says
and I quote it was not written by
Abraham's own hand upon papyrus that's
the truth now what does this mean what
do I do with all this information I
conclude Joseph Smith lied now that's
not meant to insult Joseph Smith this is
meant to be a branch of hope to the
Mormon who was lied to you see because
he didn't just lie about something if
Joseph Smith lied about one little thing
I wouldn't it wouldn't
he was a false prophet right but when he
lies about his divine inspiration when
he lies about his ability from God to
translate this ancient Egyptian text
into what is now new revelation from God
guess what that means there is no
possible way this guy's a prophet except
a false prophet it's the only option
available it's the only possibility is
that he is a false prophet this is utter
proof and it's not even new this none of
this is new right we've known this since
the 60s there was documentaries produced
on it there's plenty of content online
but a lot of stuff that happened in the
60s has been forgotten as you well know
so it's good to bring it up again so I
encourage you to to go ahead and and
share this I mean share this video like
put it up on your on your facebook or
instance Tabuk or face Twitter's and all
that just put it out there because we
want to get the content out so people
can know the truth this is not
complicated stuff it's just things get
forgotten and we need to kind of like
for a new generation say it again and
again and again and that's one of the
things I'm doing on this on this Tuesday
livestream and now I'm gonna answer real
quick before I take your guys questions
and I want to tell you go ahead and and
put your questions now in the in the
comments and then AJ's gonna send those
to me and I will I will answer them here
on our live stream and I thank you for
doing that thanks for joining me today
by the way thanks for taking time out of
your out of your day I know you're busy
because we live in a busy time but let's
suppose that a Mormon watch this video
and they go wait wait but wait aren't
there answers and they go research and
they find that there actually are mormon
apologists who are trying to defend the
Book of Abraham still even though
there's no way like there's no possible
way that it's true so what do they say
well one of the things they say is they
have two theories one's called the short
Scroll theory and the other one's called
the long scroll theory so as you
research this they'll say the short
Scroll theory is that it was the scrolls
about as the sizes of as it appears to
be based upon the papyri we've
discovered and that's pretty much all
the content that was there for the most
part and guess what language changed and
so maybe abraham really did write it and
then people change
the meaning of what Abraham wrote and
Egyptian language and hieroglyphs
changed so that now it means something
different but it was still the same
thing that he originally wrote I almost
don't have to respond to this because
the theory that an entire language
changed and transformed to fit I mean
it's it's like this is I just want
Mormons to hear people say this out loud
so that they'll realize like yeah this
is a joke this is a joke when you know
these are the excuses you have when you
don't have an excuse the long scroll
theory is a little different the long
scrolls theory is that yes there's these
papyri but and we found some of them but
in that same scroll there was other you
know documents that were just lost in
the fire and we don't have those ones so
the ones we've recovered are from the
Book of the Dead and the breathing
permit of horror but but no no there was
other ones that we haven't found yet
that's another offered thing but here's
a problem this cannot be the case
because Joseph Smith included in his
translation the very things he was
translating from and then he analyzed
those pictures gave the definition of
what those things meant and that has
been thoroughly refuted and so that's
not possible the long scroll theory is
impossible another one would be another
option is that Joseph Smith when he we
say translate he didn't translate the
actual words what he did was and this is
on lds.org as well is that he looked at
the papyri and he just meditated on it
and he was like hmm and he could see
like an image you know like he'd see
like the the guy on the table and he
just and it just this is an occasion
that triggers sort of meditative thought
and then God reveals to him about
Abraham and how they did the Egyptians
tried to kill Abraham or something this
we know to be false because of his own
Diaries where he says he translated it
we also know it to be false because of
the introduction to the Book of Abraham
or says it was written by his own hand
and it says that this is a translation
of that very document not not a
spiritual impressions derived from
getting inspiration or some garbage like
that the final and last-ditch effort of
Mormon apologists is because I have
research I'm like what do they say
the final one they say the final thing
they give out there is this well we
don't really know enough and they say
this Egypt Egyptians they
geologists and the whole field of
Egyptology is constantly evolving we're
always learning new things and getting
proved wrong now why would they say this
because all of the evidence is against
them now some all of the evidences
against them what they're saying is
maybe we'll find something in the future
that somehow makes this all work but
that's not the case because it's not
what we don't know that proves the Book
of Abraham wrong
it's what we do know that proves that
Book of Abraham wrong and whatever we
learn next about Egyptian isn't going to
undo the fact that this is Osiris not
this this priest that he fabricated
things that in fact there is I'll show
you one more image um nope there you go
this image I'm about to show you is
actually I got to show this to you guys
if I can get my thing to work properly
mmm okay the image I'm trying to I'm
trying to get up for you let me explain
it well I'm well I'm monkeying around
with this PowerPoint presentation okay
there it is this this image when I tried
to jump to it quickly that's what
happens I end the whole thing this is an
image of Joseph Smith in his own
writings trying to decipher Egyptian
hieroglyphics now the great thing is is
we actually have documents with these
images on them where he's trying to say
this is what Egyptian is this is what
the ancient Egyptian meant and he's
trying to come up with it now of course
unbeknownst to him there were people
actually really knowing this stuff in
Europe and now we can compare but what
he does here is he proves and you can't
really read the writing but I encourage
you to research it on your own he proves
that he doesn't know anything about
these letters he's literally just making
stuff up and so yes he was really trying
to translate the originals yes he was
really trying to to give a testimony
just like it sounds and yes it's
absolutely been proven wrong so there's
the Book of Abraham for you I'm gonna
take your guys questions now so let me
just open that up
and thanks AJ for being there AJ's
volunteering he does this for nothing
it's just for kicks kicks and and for
the enjoyment of helping to basically
spread the truth okay so here's the
question it says Deuteronomy 18:20
actually this is a scripture someone
wanted to share so I will read it this
is a very pertinent to us but the
prophet who presumes to speak a word in
my name that I've not commanded him to
speak or he who speaks in the name of
other gods that same prophet shall die
the scripture is extremely strict about
you know someone who claims to be a
prophet and then he was not just wrong
he was clearly truly fabricating things
either inspired by Satan or the
imaginations and deceptions of his own
heart and mind either way it wasn't God
and the scripture would say he dies at
least that's under the Old Testament law
I don't think we should go out trying to
kill people actually I have a two-part
series called how to understand the Old
Testament law for those of you that
think I'm being a hypocrite when I say
that I do explain that very carefully
okay so from truth-seeker 4815 Mike what
do you make of the argument that some
Mormon apologists make by saying that
translation means that he receives the
book via direct revelation actually I I
think that that's I think it's refuted
by what I already shared as far as the
specific things how he did in his diary
quotes earlier in this video he says
that he's translating the exact words
and phrases and he's getting the meaning
from the text and there's tons of other
Diaries and other writings from the
history of the church where people are
saying yeah and Joseph Smith produced
the actual document and then told us
what those symbols meant and so they're
they're basically totally they're lying
they're just so deceitful and lying
anymore man apologist worth their salt
is gonna say you know what Mormonism is
wrong and and we need to come out of it
in fact I call if any if you're a high
up Mormon and you know this stuff I
don't care if it costs you your
reputation or your job you owe it to
everyone you know to use your position
to stand up and declare that Mormonism
is a lie you can't just sit there and
quietly know it's not true
you have to tell everyone you have to
help get them into the truth of Jesus
Christ but away from the truth of Joseph
Smith because history is false another
question from
our Obinna won and thanks for watching
with me the other thing we look at is
the Old Testament or covenant is cut
with blood the New Testament with the
blood of Jesus what is Mormonism and
another and another Testament cut with
I'll be I'll be honest I don't fully
track with with what you're saying I get
that you're saying there was a there was
a Testament in blood and testimony and
blood that were their sacrifices and
stuff like that of the Old Testament
then jesus in the new actually my
biggest personal apologetic statement
against the Book of Mormon or any any
Latter day type revelation a new book
added to the Bible is this the Old
Testament creates amazing expectation
for Jesus and and you leave the Old
Testament with the sense that it's it's
not over right this is all this prophecy
of what's coming next and it's a messiah
and all these specific things that he's
gonna do and transformations and changes
and a new covenant is prophesied in
Jeremiah 31 but then you have Joseph
Smith's show up and there's nothing in
the Bible that suggests that this guy's
gonna come there's nothing in the Bible
that suggests Muhammad's gonna show up
later or or on songkong or some other
person and other religion so the Old
Testament creates expectation for the
new the new creates expectation for the
Second Coming not for another Testament
truth-seeker 4:8 1:5 says what about the
argument that Joseph Smith didn't
actually write the grammar and alphabet
document supposedly was written by
somebody else I haven't actually heard
that document and I heard that argument
I think it would fall flat for this
reason the the for whatever reason right
the LDS Church they recently published
something called the Joseph Smith papers
so go google that Joseph Smith papers
and what that is is a whole bunch of
stuff they had kind of buried away and
they said this is everything that Joseph
Smith wrote this is all the stuff we
have on Joseph Smith it's very revealing
and it's very shaming I think upon
Joseph Smith and I if I'm not mistaken
these documents were included in there
and if that's the case then that's not
even possible but even if we didn't have
the document where he's trying to
decipher the hieroglyphs it would it
would still be damning in another sense
because of all the other content but
I've even heard a Mormon apologist
trying to defend Joseph Smith and his
statement about the the hieroglyphs that
he was
he was saying this is the hieroglyph
that's what it means he says and I quote
I don't know what Joseph Smith was doing
with that we don't really know what was
going on there and so in other words
it's wrong and they don't have an
explanation in truth by grace says ask
Mike if he finds it more effective to
expose these lies of a of a Joseph Smith
or appealing to the authority of God
claimed in Scripture which authority do
Mormons value more God or Joseph Smith
that's a good question I guess there's
probably no one blanket answer on that
and obviously you mean one individual
they'll be in one position you mean
another individual they'll be in a
different position um but what I found
is this I've actually had Mormon
missionaries at my door and I've asked
him this question I've said hey if you
had the Bible said one thing just
hypothetical right some people are not
good at hypothetical questions but here
it is if you had the Bible that preached
one truth right then you have the the
the Book of Mormon or another one of the
standard works of the church that
preaches something absolutely
contradictory then you have the Holy
Spirit telling you something else or at
least you think the Holy Spirit's
telling you something else and I asked
him which one would you believe that's
an interesting question because I'm just
trying to figure out why are they really
believing and and every Mormon I asked
this answer the same they said I would
believe the Holy Spirit and that makes
sense when you realize that the
apologetics of Mormonism is believe the
Holy Spirit and then they preach the
this feeling you're getting is the Holy
Spirit of course if anyone prays and
they don't get that from the Holy Spirit
that's not an answer that is not true
it's theirs you can only get a yes from
the Holy Spirit the only answer the Holy
Spirit gives us ever is yes and you
ignore it when he's if he says no
because I prayed about it and God told
me no don't put it that way but that
doesn't count to the LDS so I think that
they they don't consider the Book of
Mormon or the Bible or even the church
as great of an authority as they
consider the Holy Spirit and they've
been brain well I shouldn't say
brainwash didn't taught that and so man
how do you how do you deal with that
like how do you approach that I want to
move them into the realm of not judging
things by how they feel that's what I
want to do I want to get them into the
realm of saying look you know you can
you know sometimes you feel something's
true and you're wrong
so then we should be able to test it if
it's true you should be able to poke it
a little bit and see okay a detective in
Christ has a question says what would be
the thing to say to Mormons when
witnessing to Mormons and should i link
them to this video well that will be up
to you if you want to link them to this
video I definitely hope Mormons watch
this video I open the video addressing
Mormons in particular to try to let them
know you know I'm not trying to attack
or be mean or anything I'm trying to
speak truth but what would be like one
thing that you might say to two Mormons
that's a tough one that's a tough one I
should I've been asked to do a video on
like what do I say when Mormons come to
my door and maybe you have you that'd be
worth spending some time thinking and
praying about it but you know the
proverb says the righteous he ponders
before he answers he considers a matter
first and if I had to tell you one thing
I don't think I can answer that question
off the top of my head I usually start
with questions when the Mormons come to
my door I try to find out where they're
at you know just find out what do you
believe what do you think about this
where do you think about that even
hypothetical questions like how do you
know it's true and then if I find out
where they're at like how this person
grounds themself in Mormonism or in that
faith then I'll better be informed to
kind of help them understand that it's
it's not grounded
it's not true so but yeah I do I do I
think videos like this are great because
here's the thing
what Mormon will like sit there and let
you say all that all the stuff I said
they'll interrupt you they'll change the
subject they'll bring up 15 different
scriptures out of context then they'll
say you have to pray I take it on faith
and they'll leave but giving them a
video well they might watch the whole
thing even if they're just watching it
cuz they're mad and hopefully they'll
think it through and hopefully they'll
consider it and even better they they
will actually go research the stuff on
their own because I'm not sharing stuff
I'm making up this is all just reality
so yeah so thank you guys I have a
question for you guys and I want you to
put it in the comments but not in the
livestream comments I like you if
possible to put it in the comments on
the video when it's done and the
question is this what would you like me
to do in this livestream next because
what I what I was off the top my head
when I'm thinking about doing is I found
a video online
by an atheist giving us I think it's 23
reasons not to believe in God and I was
and it's just like it's like shotgun
boom-boom boom-boom-boom one after
another and what I was gonna do is
answer these things and try to expose
that the the logic and reasoning is
flawed in those arguments and I don't
want to only talk about you know false
religious groups I want to deal with
everything that kind of hits the scope
of theology and apologetics so I was
thinking about doing that other things
I'm thinking about doing is there are
some faith healing stuff that I've been
researching and I want to expose to be
honest I believe in healing I do I'm
charismatic in the sense that I believe
that God still heals today I however I
think people abuse other people in the
realm of healings and I feel provoked to
say something about it and so I went to
very graciously and cautiously expose
what I believe are some of the false
healing people out there on the internet
right now and it's not because I'm
bitter or any you know I'm just trying
to trying to help people is the truth
because not enough balanced people talk
about this stuff oftentimes it's only
the unbalanced that get on either one or
the other side and you know yell at each
other when someone's like I just want
clarity can I just have clarity and
truth and that's of course my goal so
between those two things uh atheism or
fake healings you get to pick you decide
what the next live stream will be about
so that's about it if you haven't
subscribed to my channel please do so if
you're interested in this content you
can subscribe now and you can get
updates on a regular basis from from
your notifications if you click that
little bell icon because YouTube changed
the way they do things a little while
back and you need to click that or you
might not know actually when I make a
video so god bless you guys and I
appreciate your prayers for this
ministry as I'm still learning how to
use this social platform for the Lord
take care
