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I N T H E U N I T E D S T A T E S D I S T
R I C T C O U R T
F O R T H E D I S T R I C T O F O R E G O
N
E u g e n e D i v i s i o n
U N I T E D S T A T E S O F A M E R I C A,
P l a i n t i f f,
v s .
T H O M A S R O B E R T M U R P H Y,
D e f e n d a n t.
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B E I T R E M E M B E R E D T H A T o n t
h e 2 7 t h d a y o f J u n e,
2 0 1 8, t h e a b o v e- e n t i t l e d
m a t t e r c a m e o n f o r h e a r i n
g
b e f o r e t h e H O N O R A B L E J O L
I R U S S O, M a g i s t r a t e C o u r t
J u d g e.
D E B O R A H C O O K, R P R, C S R
O F F I C I A L C O U R T R E P O R T E R
4 0 5 E a s t 8 t h A v e n u e
S u i t e 2 1 3 0
E u g e n e, O r e g o n 9 7 4 0 1
( 5 4 1) 4 3 1- 4 1 6 2
d e b@ c o o k c o u r t r e p o r t i n g.
c o m
D e b o r a h_ C o o k@ o r d. u s c o u r
t s. g o v
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A P P E A R A N C E S
F o r t h e G o v e r n m e n t:
JOSEPH HUYNH
Asst. US Attorney
405 E 8th Street, Ste. 2400
Eugene, Oregon 97401
541.465.6671
Joseph.huynh@usdoj.gov
F o r t h e D e f e n d a n t:
MARK BENNETT WEINTRAUB
Federal Public Defender
859 Willamette Street, Ste. 200
Eugene Oregon 97401
541.465.6937
Mark_weintraub@fd.org
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P R O C E E D I N G S
W e d n e s d a y, J u n e 2 7 , 2 0 1 8,
a t 2 : 2 7 p . m .
C O U R T C L E R K: N o w i s t h e t i m
e s e t f o r m a g i s t r a t e
c a s e 1 8 - 3 3 , t h e U n i t e d S t
a t e s o f A m e r i c a v e r s u s T h
o m a s
R o b e r t M u r p h y f o r s t a t u s
c o n f e r e n c e.
M R . W E I N T R A U B: G o o d a f t e r
n o o n. M a r k W e i n t r a u b
f o r M r . M u r p h y. W e h a v e t w o
i s s u e s p e n d i n g b e f o r e t h
e
C o u r t.
O n e i s I f i l e d a m o t i o n t o w
i t h d r a w b a s e d o n
M r . M u r p h y' s r e q u e s t. M y u
n d e r s t a n d i n g f r o m h i m a c
o u p l e
o f d a y s a g o i s t h a t h e n o w w
a n t s m e t o s t a y o n t h e c a s e.
B u t r e g a r d l e s s, I t h i n k i t
' s p r e m a t u r e t o t a k e t h a t
u p
b e c a u s e t h e s e c o n d i s s u e,
w h i c h i s c o m p e t e n c y. T h e C
o u r t
s h o u l d h a v e r e c e i v e d a l e
t t e r f r o m t h e p s y c h o l o g i
s t a t
S e a T a c t h a t f o u n d t h a t M r
. M u r p h y i s n o t c o m p e t e n t.
I h a v e d i s c u s s e d t h a t i s s
u e w i t h c o u n s e l. T h e
w a y h e w o u l d l i k e t o p r o c e
e d i s t o s c h e d u l e a s p e c i a
l
s e t t i n g b e f o r e t h e C o u r t
a s s o o n a s w e c a n s o t h a t w e
c a n
g e t t h e p s y c h o l o g i s t o n t
h e p h o n e t o t e s t i f y b y t e l
e p h o n e
r e g a r d i n g t h a t m a t t e r, s o
t h e C o u r t w i l l h a v e c o m p l
e t e
i n f o r m a t i o n r e g a r d i n g t
h e c o m p e t e n c y i s s u e a n d c
a n m a k e a
d e c i s i o n a b o u t n e x t s t e p
s.
W e t a l k e d a b o u t d o i n g t h a
t t o m o r r o w m o r n i n g.
A s s u m i n g t h a t t h e C o u r t i
s a v a i l a b l e a n d t h a t t h e
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p s y c h i a t r i s t i s , a l s o, o r
F r i d a y m o r n i n g w o u l d w o r
k,
a l s o, i f t h e C o u r t i s a v a i l
a b l e t h e n.
M R . H U Y N H: I f I c o u l d, Y o u r
H o n o r, I h a v e
e - m a i l e d t h e p s y c h i a t r i
s t t r y i n g t o s e e w h a t h i s
a v a i l a b i l i t y i s f o r t h i s
w e e k. I a s s u m e F r i d a y m o r n
i n g
w o u l d b e t h e e a r l i e s t, b e c
a u s e w e s t i l l h a v e t o g e t a
h o l d
o f h i m. H e ' s o u t t h e f i r s t t
w o w e e k s o f J u l y, a s w e l l.
S o I k n o w w e ' r e t r y i n g t o g
e t a s p e c i a l s e t t i n g t o
c o n t i n u e t o f o l l o w u p .
O b v i o u s l y, t h e c o n c e r n s f
r o m t h e g o v e r n m e n t a r e
s e r i o u s g i v e n t h e n a t u r e
o f t h e s e c h a r g e s a n d h i s
c r i m i n a l h i s t o r y, a s w e l l
a s t h e f i n d i n g s o f t h e
p s y c h i a t r i s t, w h i c h a r e a
l i t t l e b i t c o n f u s i n g b e c
a u s e I
f o l l o w e d u p w i t h t h e p s y c
h i a t r i s t.
H e ' s f o u n d t h a t M r . M u r p h
y c a n n o t a s s i s t i n h i s
o w n d e f e n s e, b e c a u s e o f h i
s m e n t a l i s s u e s b u t h e a l s
o
f o u n d h e c o u l d n' t a p p r e c i
a t e t h e p r o c e e d i n g s b e c a
u s e
t h o s e m e n t a l i s s u e s i m p a
c t h i s a b i l i t y t o u n d e r s t
a n d w h a t
i s g o i n g o n , a n d v i e w h i s d
e f e n s es , e t c e t e r a.
S o I t h i n k i t ' s i m p o r t a n t
f o r t h e C o u r t t o h e a r
f r o m t h e p s y c h i a t r i s t a b
o u t t h i s r e p o r t a n d w h a t h
i s
e x a m i n a t i o n w a s. S o F r i d a
y m o r n i n g m a y b e w o r k a b l e.
I ' m
t r y i n g t o g e t a h o l d o f t h e
p s y c h i a t r i s t t o c o n f i r m
t h a t.
T H E C O U R T: F r i d a y m o r n i n g
i s g o i n g t o b e v e r y
t o u g h, a n d I c a n s p e a k f o r m
y s e l f a n d J u d g e C o f f i n.
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M a y b e w e s h o u l d l o o k a t - - y
o u s a i d h e ' s o u t t h e f i r s t
t w o w e e k s i n J u l y. S o i t w o u
l d b e t h e t h i r d w e e k i n
J u l y.
M R . H U Y N H: T h a t i s c o r r e c t,
Y o u r H o n o r,
a c c o r d i n g t o m y i n f o r m a t
i o n.
T H E C O U R T: W h a t a b o u t J u l y
1 7 t h , T u e s d a y?
M R . W E I N T R A U B: T h a t w o u l d
w o r k f o r m e .
M R . H U Y N H: W e w i l l f i n d a w a
y o f m a k i n g i t w o r k
f o r t h e g o v e r n m e n t, a s w e l
l, Y o u r H o n o r.
T H E C O U R T: A n d w i l l y o u c h e
c k w i t h t h e d o c t o r?
M R . H U Y N H: I w i l l c h e c k w i t
h t h e d o c t o r. A n d a t
t h a t h e a r i n g t h e d e f e n d a
n t a l s o h a s a r i g h t t o t e s t
i f y,
a s w e l l. S o w e w i l l w a i t t o s
e e i f h e w a n t s t o d o s o .
T H E C O U R T: M a y b e s h o u l d w e
g o a h e a d a n d s e t t h i s
a n d h o p e t h a t i t w o r k s.
M R . H U Y N H: I w o u l d r e c o m m e
n d s e t t i n g i t , a n d I
w i l l f o l l o w u p w i t h t h e C o
u r t a n d d e f e n s e c o u n s e l i
f i t
d o e s n' t w o r k.
M R . W E I N T R A U B: W e m a y w a n t
t o s e t t h a t f o r a
t i m e o t h e r t h a n t h e u s u a l
c a l e n d a r.
T H E C O U R T: W h a t t i m e i s t h e
d o c t o r - - h e ' s n o t
l o c a l, i s h e ?
M R . H U Y N H: H i s r e q u e s t i s t
o a p p e a r b y v i d e o
c o n f e r e n c e o r b y p h o n e. D e
f e n s e h a s i n d i c a t e d n o
o b j e c t i o n t o i t , b u t I w a n
t e d t o m a k e s u r e.
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M R . W E I N T R A U B: T h a t' s c o r
r e c t.
T H E C O U R T: W h a t a b o u t 1 0 : 0
0 ?
M R . H U Y N H: I w i l l f o l l o w u p
w i t h t h e d o c t o r.
M R . W E I N T R A U B: T h a t w o r k s
f o r m e .
T H E C O U R T: M r . W e i n t r a u b,
w e w i l l c o n t i n u e t o
s t a y y o u r m o t i o n t o w i t h d
r a w; i s t h a t c o r r e c t?
M R . W E I N T R A U B: Y e a h. I d o n'
t t h i n k w e c a n h a v e
a r u l i n g o n t h a t u n t i l t h e
c o m p e t e n c y i s s u e h a s b e e
n
r e s o l v e d.
M R . H U Y N H: A n d w e c o n t i n u e
t o a s k f o r t i m e t o b e
e x c l u d e d a c c o r d i n g l y.
M R . W E I N T R A U B: N o o b j e c t i
o n.
T H E C O U R T: T h a n k y o u.
M R . W E I N T R A U B: S o J u l y 1 7 t
h a t 1 0 : 0 0 ?
T H E C O U R T: 1 0 : 0 0 a . m . , t h i
s c o u r t r o o m.
M R . W E I N T R A U B: A n d w e w i l l
w a n t M r . M u r p h y t o b e
p r e s e n t d u r i n g t h a t h e a r
i n g.
T H E C O U R T: Y e s.
M R . H U Y N H: A n d I w i l l f o l l o
w u p w i t h t h e C o u r t
a n d d e f e n s e c o u n s e l a b o u
t t h e a v a i l a b i l i t y o f t h e
d o c t o r,
Y o u r H o n o r.
T H E C O U R T: T h a n k y o u.
( P r o c e e d i n g s c o n c l u d e d
a t
2 : 3 2 p . m .)
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S T A T E O F O R E G O N )
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C O U N T Y O F Y A M H I L L)
I , D e b o r a h L . C o o k, R P R, C e
r t i f i e d S h o r t h a n d
R e p o r t e r i n a n d f o r t h e S t
a t e o f O r e g o n, h e r e b y c e r t
i f y
t h a t a t s a i d t i m e a n d p l a c
e I r e p o r t e d i n s t e n o t y p e
a l l
t e s t i m o n y a d d u c e d a n d o t
h e r o r a l p r o c e e d i n g s h a d
i n t h e
f o r e g o i n g h e a r i n g; t h a t t
h e r e a f t e r m y n o t e s w e r e
t r a n s c r i b e d b y c o m p u t e r-
a i d e d t r a n s c r i p t i o n b y m
e
p e r s o n a l l y; a n d t h a t t h e f
o r e g o i n g t r a n s c r i p t c o n
t a i n s a
f u l l, t r u e a n d c o r r e c t r e c
o r d o f s u c h t e s t i m o n y a d d
u c e d
a n d o t h e r o r a l p r o c e e d i n
g s h a d, a n d o f t h e w h o l e t h e
r e o f.
W i t n e s s m y h a n d a n d s e a l a
t D u n d e e, O r e g o n,
t h i s 8 t h d a y o f M a r c h, 2 0 2 0.
/ s / D e b o r a h L . C o o k, R P R, C
S R
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C e r t i f i e d S h o r t h a n d R e p
o r t e r
O R E G O N C S R # 0 4 - 0 3 8 9
C A L I F O R N I A C S R # 1 2 8 8 6
W A S H I N G T O N C S R # 2 9 9 2
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I N T H E U N I T E D S T A T E S D I S T
R I C T C O U R T
F O R T H E D I S T R I C T O F O R E G O
N
E u g e n e D i v i s i o n
U N I T E D S T A T E S O F A M E R I C A,
P l a i n t i f f,
v s .
T H O M A S R O B E R T M U R P H Y,
D e f e n d a n t.
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N o . 6 : 1 9 - c r - 0 0 5 3 0- A A
B E I T R E M E M B E R E D T H A T o n t
h e 2 1 s t d a y o f
A u g u s t, 2 0 1 9, 2 0 2 0, t h e a b o
v e- e n t i t l e d m a t t e r c a m e o
n f o r
h e a r i n g b e f o r e t h e H O N O R
A B L E M U S T A F A K A S U B H A I, M a
g i s t r a t e
C o u r t J u d g e.
D E B O R A H C O O K, R P R, C S R
O F F I C I A L C O U R T R E P O R T E R
4 0 5 E a s t 8 t h A v e n u e
S u i t e 2 1 3 0
E u g e n e, O r e g o n 9 7 4 0 1
( 5 4 1) 4 3 1- 4 1 6 2
d e b@ c o o k c o u r t r e p o r t i n g.
c o m
D e b o r a h_ C o o k@ o r d. u s c o u r
t s. g o v
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A P P E A R A N C E S
F o r t h e G o v e r n m e n t:
JOSEPH HUYNH
Asst. US Attorney
405 E 8th Street, Ste. 2400
Eugene, Oregon 97401
541.465.6671
Joseph.huynh@usdoj.gov
F o r t h e D e f e n d a n t: V i a S p e
a k e r p h o n e
LISA MAXFIELD
KRISTEN WINEMILLER
Pacific Northwest Law
333 SW Taylor, Ste. 300
Portland Oregon 97204
503.222.2661
Lamaxfield@pacificnwlaw.com
Klwinemiller@pacificnw.law.com
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P R O C E E D I N G S
W e d n e s d a y, A u g u s t 2 1 , 2 0 1
9 a t 1 : 5 8 p . m .
C O U R T C L E R K: M a g i s t r a t e c
a s e N o . 1 8 - 3 3 , U n i t e d
S t a t e s o f A m e r i c a v e r s u s
T h o m a s R o b e r t M u r p h y f o r
s t a t u s
c o n f e r e n c e.
M s . M a x f i e l d, c a n y o u h e a r
m e ?
M S . M A X F I E L D: Y e s, a n d I a m
h e r e w i t h
M s . W i n e m i l l e r, w h o w i l l b
e t h e p r i m a r y a t t o r n e y.
M S . W I N E M I L L E R: G o o d a f t e
r n o o n, Y o u r H o n o r.
T H E C O U R T: G o o d a f t e r n o o n,
M s . W i n e m i l l e r.
A n d s t a t u s o n M r . M u r p h y?
M R . H U Y N H: Y o u r H o n o r, w i t
h r e s p e c t t o s t a t u s,
w e ' r e h e r e b e c a u s e o f a p p
o i n t m e n t o f n e w c o u n s e l. S
o I
t h i n k w e c a n s t a r t w i t h t h
a t, Y o u r H o n o r.
T H E C O U R T: T h a n k y o u.
M s . W i n e m i l l e r, y o u a r e s e
e k i n g a p p o i n t m e n t?
M S . W I N E M I L L E R: I b e l i e v e
I s a w t h e a p p o i n t m e n t
o r d e r c o m e t h r o u g h y e s t e
r d a y, a n d M s . M a x f i e l d i s o
n t h e
l i n e w i t h m e , b e c a u s e I h a
d e x p l a i n e d t o t h e p a n e l s
t a f f
t h a t I d o h a v e a n u m b e r o f c
o n f l i c t s o v e r t h e n e x t s i
x
w e e k s, b e c a u s e I b e l i e v e t
h e c l i e n t i s n o t b a c k i n O r
e g o n
y e t. I t h i n k b e t w e e n t h e t w
o o f u s , w e c a n c o v e r
e v e r y t h i n g t h a t n e e d s t o
b e d o n e i n t h e s h o r t t e r m u
n t i l
m y s c h e d u l e c l e a r s u p . S o
i t w i l l b e m y c a s e. I d o h a v e
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a n a p p o i n t m e n t o r d e r, b u t
a t l e a s t t e m p o r a r i l y
M s . M a x f i e l d w i l l b e a s s i
s t i n g w i t h i t , a s w e l l.
T H E C O U R T: S o M s . M a x f i e l d
i s a l s o a p p o i n te d t o
r e p r e s e n t o n t h i s c a s e.
I s t h e r e a n y t h i n g e l s e w e
n e e d t o a d d r e s s n o w?
M R . H U Y N H: I t h i n k w i t h r e s
p e c t t o t h e s t a t u s o f
t h e d e f e n d a n t, I h a v e s p o k
e n w i t h M s . M a x f i e l d a n d h
e r
c o l l e a g u e. A s y o u k n o w, Y o
u r H o n o r, h e ' s i n r e s t o r a t
i o n
p r o c e e d i n g s. T h e r e w a s a l
e t t e r, r e p o r t f r o m t h e
p h y s i c i a n, a n d I b e l i e v e t
h e d e f e n s e c o u n s e l w o u l d
l i k e
t i m e t o r e v i e w t h a t, r e v i e
w t h e c a s e, a s w e l l a s t a l k t
o
t h e c l i e n t. I t w i l l t a k e h i
m a l i t t l e b i t o f t i m e t o b e
t r a n s p o r t e d b a c k t o O r e g
o n.
S o I b e l i e v e d e f e n s e c o u n
s e l i s r e q u e s t i n g
6 0 d a y s f o r t h a t t o h a p p e n,
i n l i g h t o f b e i n g n e w t o t h
e
c a s e, a s w e l l a s b e i n g - - h a
v i n g o t h e r o b l i g a t i o n s t
h a t
s h e m e n t i o n e d w i t h o t h e r
c a s e s.
T H E C O U R T: M s . M a x f i e l d.
M S . M A X F I E L D: T h a t i s o u r r
e q u e s t. W e d o n o t
y e t h a v e d i s c o v e r y, a n d o f
c o u r s e, h a v e n o t m e t w i t h
M r . M u r p h y. S o I t h i n k u n d e
r t h e c i r c u m s t a n c e s 6 0 d a
y s
w o u l d g i v e u s a c h a n c e t o r
e a l l y m a k e a n i n t e l l i g e n
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r e p o r t t o t h e C o u r t a b o u t
w h a t w e a n t i c i p a t e a h e a d,
a n d
w h a t d a t e s a r e l i s t e d.
T H E C O U R T: A n d h a s M r . M u r p
h y - - i s h e a l r e a d y
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i n t r a n s i t? I s a n o r d e r i n p
l a c e?
M R . H U Y N H: I c o n t a c t e d t h e
M a r s h a l s a n d t h e y a r e
l o o k i n g i n t o i t . I d o n' t b e
l i e v e t h e r e' s b e e n a n o r d e
r.
S o i f Y o u r H o n o r w o u l d s e t
t h e s t a t u s c o n f e r e n c e a t
6 0 d a y s, t h e n w e c o u l d o r d e
r h i s a p p e a r a n c e a t t h a t
p o i n t, a n d h e w i l l b e t r a n s
p o r t e d a c c o r d i n g l y.
T H E C O U R T: V e r y g o o d t h e n.
6 0 d a y s w i l l b e
e x c l u d e d i n t h e i n t e r e s t
o f j u s t i c e a p p e a r i n g t h a
t
a d d i t i o n a l i n f o r m a t i o n
n e e d s t o b e i n v e s t i g a t e d,
a n d
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i l l b e r e q u i r e d o n t h a t d a
t e, a s
w e l l.
A n y t h i n g e l s e t h a t w e c a n
a d d r e s s t o d a y?
M R . H U Y N H: N o , Y o u r H o n o r.
T h a n k y o u.
M S . M A X F I E L D: I t w o u l d b e h
e l p f u l f o r m e t o
r e a l l y m a k e a g o o d r e p o r t
t o t h e C o u r t o n t h a t d a t e i
n
6 0 d a y s i f M r . M u r p h y c o u l
d b e b a c k a t l e a s t t w o w e e k
s
e a r l i e r. T h a t w o u l d g i v e m
e t i m e t o t r a v e l t o E u g e n e
a
c o u p l e o f t i m e s t o m e e t w i
t h h i m, a n d r e a l l y b e u p t o
s p e e d e n o u g h o n h i s w i s h e
s t o b e a b l e t o t a l k w i t h t h
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C o u r t a b o u t w h a t I p r o p o s
e g o i n g f o r w a r d. H e a n d I h a
v e
n o t m e t y e t.
M R . H U Y N H: I u n d e r s t a n d. I
s p o k e t o t h e
M a r s h a l s e a r l i e r t o d a y a
b o u t t h i s. T h e y c a n' t g i v e
u s a n
e x a c t e s t i m a t e, b e c a u s e i
t h a s n' t g o n e t h r o u g h t h e
s y s t e m. I t u s u a l l y t a k e s a
b o u t a m o n t h f o r s u c h
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t r a n s p o r t, s o i t s h o u l d b e
s u f f i c i e n t t i m e. I f t h e r e'
s
a n i s s u e, w e c a n l e t d e f e n s
e c o u n s e l k n o w. B u t a g a i n,
i t ' s s o m e o n e e l s e w h o d o e
s t h e t r a n s p o r t, n o t t h e
M a r s h a l s. I t ' s a d i f f e r e n
t p a r t o f B O P t h a t d o e s t h a
t.
T H E C O U R T: M s . W i n e m i l l e r,
w e r e y o u a b l e t o
f o l l o w t h a t?
M S . W I N E M I L L E R: I w a s. A n d
I e x p e c t t h a t m y
s c h e d u l e w i l l b e f r e e d u p
a r o u n d t h e b e g i n n i n g o f
O c t o b e r, s o a n y t i m e f r o m t
h a t f o r w a r d w o u l d w o r k f o
r o u r
p u r p o s e s. I t h i n k t h a t' s w
h a t M r . H u y n h i s d e s c r i b i
n g,
a s w e l l.
T H E C O U R T: S o i t a p p e a rs t h
a t o n c e t o d a y' s d a t e
i s - - o n c e I ' v e o r d e r e d t h
e s t a t u s c o n f e r e n c e, i t w i
l l
s e t t h e b a l l i n m o t i o n. T h e
n i t t a k e s a b o u t 3 0 d a y s,
g e n e r a l l y s p e a k i n g, f o r t
r a n s p o r t t o b e c o m p l e t e d.
S o i t
w o u l d a l s o a p p e a r t h a t M r
. M u r p h y w i l l b e b a c k i n O r
e g o n,
p e r h a p s, a s e a r l y a s t w o w e
e k s b e f o r e y o u a r e a b l e t o
m e e t w i t h h i m.
I f , M r . H u y n h, t h e r e - - y o u
b e c o m e a w a r e o f s o m e
c o m p l i c a t i o n s w i t h t r a n
s p o r t, p l e a s e a p p r i s e
M s . W i n e m i l l e r a n d M s . M a
x f i e l d.
M R . H U Y N H: Y e s, Y o u r H o n o r.
C O U R T C L E R K: S t a t u s c o n f e
r e n c e i s s e t f o r
O c t o b e r 1 6 , 2 0 1 9, a t 1 : 3 0 p
. m . b e f o r e J u d g e K a s u b h a
i.
T H E C O U R T: T h a n k y o u, C o u n
s e l.
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M S . W I N E M I L L E R: T h a n k y o u,
Y o u r H o n o r.
( P r o c e e d i n g s c o n c l u d e d
a t 2 : 0 2 p . m .)
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a t e o f O r e g o n, h e r e b y c e r t
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I N T H E U N I T E D S T A T E S D I S T
R I C T C O U R T
F O R T H E D I S T R I C T O F O R E G O
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E u g e n e D i v i s i o n
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e n t i t l e d m a t t e r c a m e o n f
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h e a r i n g b e f o r e t h e H O N O R
A B L E J O L I R U S S O, M a g i s t r a
t e C o u r t
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D E B O R A H C O O K, R P R, C S R
O F F I C I A L C O U R T R E P O R T E R
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S u i t e 2 1 3 0
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c o m
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t s. g o v
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A P P E A R A N C E S
F o r t h e G o v e r n m e n t:
JOSEPH HUYNH
Asst. US Attorney
405 E 8th Street, Ste. 2400
Eugene, Oregon 97401
541.465.6671
Joseph.huynh@usdoj.gov
F o r t h e D e f e n d a n t:
MARK BENNETT WEINTRAUB
Federal Public Defender
859 Willamette Street, Ste. 200
Eugene Oregon 97401
541.465.6937
Mark_weintraub@fd.org
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P R O C E E D I N G S
F r i d a y, F e b r u a r y 2 3 , 2 0 1 8
a t 1 : 3 2 p . m .
T H E C O U R T: T h a n k y o u. P l e a
s e b e s e a t e d.
C O U R T C L E R K: N o w i s t h e t i m
e s e t f o r m a g i s t r a t e
c a s e 1 8 - 3 3 , t i m e s e t f o r p
r e l i m i n a r y e x a m i n a t i o n.
M R . W E I N T R A U B: W e h a v e a g r
e e d t o w a i v e a p r e l i m.
W e ' r e a l s o a g r e e a b l e t o w
a i v i n g s o m e t i m e f o r
p r e s e n t a t i o n t o t h e g r a n
d j u r y w h i l e w e a s s e s s t h e
c a s e.
A n d I u n d e r s t a n d t h a t c o u
n s e l h a s a m o t i o n f o r
t h e C o u r t.
M R . H U Y N H: G i v e n t h e n a m e o
f t h i s o f f e n s e, a s
w e l l a s t h e d e f e n d a n t' s c r
i m i n a l h i s t o r y, t h e g o v e r
n m e n t
i s g o i n g t o m o v e t o t h e C o u
r t t h a t t h e r e b e a c o m p e t e
n c y
e v a l u a t i o n. A l s o, i n a d d i
t i o n t o t h a t, I n o t e t h a t
d e f e n d a n t h a s f i l e d a n o t
i c e t h i s m o r n i n g o n p o i n t
t w o,
r e g a r d i n g t h e i n s a n i t y d
e f e n s e. S o t h e t i m e t o s e t t
o d o
t h e c o m p e t e n c y e v a l u a t i
o n c a n a l s o b e u s e d t o t h e n
- -
C O U R T R E P O R T E R: W a i t a m i n
u t e, M r . H u y n h. I
c a n' t h e a r y o u b e c a u s e t h e
r e' s t o o m u c h n o i s e i n h e r e.
T H E C O U R T: P l e a s e s t a r t o v
e r.
M R . H U Y N H: S o w e a r e m o v i n g
f o r a c o m p e t e n c y
e v a l u a t i o n. D e f e n s e c o u n
s e l h a s a l s o f i l e d n o t i c e
u n d e r
1 2 . 2 , i n s a n i t y d e f e n s e. S
o o u r m o t i o n w i l l a l s o r e q
u e s t
t h a t d u r i n g t h e t i m e o f t h
e c o m p e t e n c y e v a l u a t i o n
t h e r e
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b e a n i n s a n i t y d e f e n s e e v
a l u a t i o n, a s w e l l.
W e ' r e g o i n g t o a s k f o r a 9 0
- d a y s e t o v e r f o r a
s t a t u s h e a r i n g g i v i n g u s
t i m e t o g e t d e f e n d a n t o u t
t o b e
e v a l u a t e d a n d t h e n b e r e t
u r n e d i n t i m e.
T H E C O U R T: O k a y.
M R . W E I N T R A U B: T h a t i s a l l
c o r r e c t. A n d w e h a v e
n o o b j e c t i o n t o t h e e n t r y
o f t h a t o r d e r.
J u s t t o p r o v i d e t h e C o u r t
w i t h a l i t t l e
b a c k g r o u n d, M r . M u r p h y w a
s f o u n d g u i l t y, b u t i n s a n e,
i n
t h e S t a t e s y s t e m. I h a d s o m
e r e p o r t s t h a t I h a v e n' t h a
d
a c h a n c e t o r e v i e w y e t t h a
t I j u s t r e c e i v e d t o c o n f i
r m
t h a t.
S o i n t e r m s o f c r i m i n a l h i
s t o r y I t h i n k t h a t' s
w h a t c o u n s e l i s r e f e r r i n
g t o . A n d b a s e d o n t h a t h i s
t o r y
w e d o n' t h a v e a n y o b j e c t i o
n t o t h e o r d e r.
T H E C O U R T: T h a n k y o u. I w i l
l g o a h e a d a n d g r a n t
t h e o r d e r a n d s e t t h i s o u t
f o r 9 0 d a y s. I d o n' t - -
M R . H U Y N H: T h a t w o u l d b e p e
r f e c t.
M R . W E I N T R A U B: T h e r e' s o n
e o t h e r m a t t e r, J u d g e.
I u n d e r s t a n d t h e M a r s h a l
s w a n t t o h a v e M r . M u r p h y
t e s t e d f o r T B b e f o r e h e g o
e s u p t o S h e r i d a n. O n b e h a l
f
o f M r . M u r p h y, I a m o b j e c t i
n g t o t h a t, b e c a u s e h e
b e l i e v e s h e ' s h a d a t e s t r
e c e n t l y e n o u g h t o a c c o m p
l i s h
t h o s e p u r p o s e s. B u t h e h a s
a s s u r e d m e , a l s o, t h a t i f
t h i s C o u r t o r d e r s t h a t t h
e t e s t i n g b e d o n e, t h a t h e w
i l l
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c o m p l y w i t h t h a t o r d e r.
T H E C O U R T: D o w e h a v e a n y w a
y t o a c c e s s
M r . M u r p h y' s m e d i c a l r e c o
r d s t o f i n d o u t w h e n t h e T B
t e s t
w a s d o n e?
M R . W E I N T R A U B: I d o n' t , a t
t h i s p o i n t.
T H E D E F E N D A N T: I c a n p r o v i
d e i n f o r m a t i o n, i f
t h a t h e l p s, w h e n t h e l a s t t
e s t w o u l d h a v e b e e n.
T H E C O U R T: Y o u c a n p r o v i d e
t h a t i n f o r m a t i o n t o
y o u r l a w y e r.
M R . H U Y N H: I s u g g e s t, Y o u r
H o n o r t h a t y o u o r d e r
t h a t h e b e t e s t e d u n l e s s h
e c a n p r o v i d e t h e i n f o r m a
t i o n
s o t h a t w e c a n - -
T H E D E F E N D A N T: W e d o n' t w a
n t t o s t a b m e w i t h
n e e d l es t h a t i n c l u d e - - w h
a t c o u l d h a p p e n i s t h a t c o
u l d
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f I h a v e h a d t h a t t e s t,
b e c a u s e i t ' s d a n g e r o u s. A
n d i t ' s i l l e g a l t o - - i f
s o m e o n e h a s a v a c c i n e r e q
u i r e m e n t a n d t h e y g e t t o o
m a n y
o f t h e m, i t c o u l d k i l l t h e m.
S o w h a t w o u l d y o u g u y s w a n
t t o d o i s l i s t e n t o
w h a t I a m s a y i n g h e r e - -
M R . W E I N T R A U B: I ' l l s e e i f
I c a n f i n d t h o s e
r e c o r d s - -
T H E D E F E N D A N T: - - a n d y o u d
o n' t w a n t t o j u s t g o
a r o u n d T B i n g e v e r y b o d y d
o w n i f t h e y s a y t h e y h a v e a
l r e a d y
b e e n r e c e n t l y T B ' d . I f t h
e h o s p i t a l d o e s n' t h a v e t h
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r e c o r d s t h e n I w i l l d o i t a
g a i n. B u t a g a i n, I h a v e b e e
n
i n s o m a n y h o s p i t a l s n o w, I
' v e b e e n T B ' d d o w n s o m a n y
t i m e s, a n d I h a v e b e e n a s s u
r e d t h a t t h e t e s t i s g o o d f
o r
a c e r t a i n p e r i o d o f t i m e.
T H E C O U R T: O k a y.
T H E D E F E N D A N T: T h e r e' s o t
h e r w a y s t o t e s t f o r
t u b e r c u l o s i s, t o o - - b r e a
t h a l y z e r, a l l k i n d s o f s t u
f f.
T H E C O U R T: A l l r i g h t. T h a n
k y o u. T h a n k y o u,
s i r. I a p p r e c i a t e t h a t. I r
e a l l y d o .
A n d I t h i n k t h a t' s r i g h t. Y
o u h a v e i n d i c a t e d
t h a t y o u w i l l t a k e t h e t e s
t u n l e s s y o u r c o u n s e l c a n
p r o v i d e e v i d e n c e t h a t y o
u' v e a l r e a d y h a d t h e t e s t.
T H E D E F E N D A N T: A n d I w i l l h
a p p i l y a g r e e t o
c o m p l y. I j u s t u r g e y o u t o n
o t e t h a t I h a v e t a k e n t h e
t e s t.
T H E C O U R T: O k a y. T h a n k y o u.
D u l y n o t e d. T h a n k
y o u, s i r. I a p p r e c i a t e y o u
r t i m e.
T H E D E F E N D A N T: T h a n k y o u.
M R . W E I N T R A U B: I t h i n k t h a
t' s a l l f o r t o d a y.
T H E C O U R T: T h a n k y o u v e r y m
u c h.
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a t
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r t i f i e d S h o r t h a n d
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a t e o f O r e g o n, h e r e b y c e r t
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e I r e p o r t e d i n s t e n o t y p e
a l l
t e s t i m o n y a d d u c e d a n d o t
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f o r e g o i n g h e a r i n g; t h a t t
h e r e a f t e r m y n o t e s w e r e
t r a n s c r i b e d b y c o m p u t e r-
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o r e g o i n g t r a n s c r i p t c o n
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t D u n d e e, O r e g o n,
t h i s 8 t h d a y o f M a r c h, 2 0 2 0.
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I N T H E U N I T E D S T A T E S D I S T
R I C T C O U R T
F O R T H E D I S T R I C T O F O R E G O
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E u g e n e D i v i s i o n
U N I T E D S T A T E S O F A M E R I C A,
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e n t i t l e d m a t t e r c a m e o n f
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h e a r i n g b e f o r e t h e H O N O R
A B L E M U S T A F A K A S U B H A I, M a
g i s t r a t e
C o u r t J u d g e.
D E B O R A H C O O K, R P R, C S R
O F F I C I A L C O U R T R E P O R T E R
4 0 5 E a s t 8 t h A v e n u e
S u i t e 2 1 3 0
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d e b@ c o o k c o u r t r e p o r t i n g.
c o m
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t s. g o v
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A P P E A R A N C E S
F o r t h e G o v e r n m e n t:
JOSEPH HUYNH
Asst. US Attorney
405 E 8th Street, Ste. 2400
Eugene, Oregon 97401
541.465.6671
Joseph.huynh@usdoj.gov
F o r t h e D e f e n d a n t:
SUSAN RUSSELL
Federal Public Defender's Office, Portland
101 SW Main, Ste. 1700
Portland Oregon 97204
503.326.2173
Susan_russell@fd.org
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P R O C E E D I N G S
W e d n e s d a y, F e b r u a r y 2 0 , 2
0 1 9, a t 3 : 1 1 p . m .
C O U R T C L E R K: N o w i s t h e t i m
e s e t f o r c r i m i n a l
c a s e 1 8 - 0 0 3 3, U n i t e d S t a t
e s o f A m e r i c a v e r s u s T h o m
a s
R o b e r t M u r p h y, s t a t u s c o n
f e r e n c e.
T H E C O U R T: W a s t h i s t h e o t h
e r c a s e t h a t I t h i n k
M s . P o t t e r m i g h t h a v e b e e
n r e f e r r i n g t o ?
M R . H U Y N H: I b e l i e v e s o , Y o
u r H o n o r.
M R . R U S S E L L: T h a n k y o u, Y o
u r H o n o r. S u s a n
R u s s e l l o n b e h a l f o f M r . M
u r p h y, w h o i s n o t p r e s e n t.
H e ,
i n f a c t, i s n o t i n t h e S t a t e
o f O r e g o n. H e i s i n
P a h r u m p, N e v a d a. A t P a h r u
m p, N e v a d a, I u n d e r s t a n d, i
s a
p r i v a t e p r i s o n r u n b y C o r
e C i v i c, f k a, C o r r e c t i o n s
C o r p o r a t i o n o f A m e r i c a.
H e w a s d e t e r m i n e d - - f o u n
d t o b e i n c o m p e t e n t b y
t h i s C o u r t b a c k o n J u l y 1 7
t h o f 2 0 1 8. W e ' r e s e v e n m o n
t h s
l a t e r. H e h a s n o t b e e n t r a n
s p o r t e d t o a m e d i c a l f a c i
l i t y
f o r h i s o r d e r e d r e s t o r a t
i o n t r e a t m e n t t o b e g i n. S o
w e
h a v e a p a r t i c u l a r l y e g r e
g i o u s s i t u a t i o n h e r e.
I h a v e a c o u p l e p r o p o s a l s
I h a v e t o t h e C o u r t.
T h e f i r s t i s i t ' s o u r p o s i
t i o n t h a t M r . M u r p h y i s
c o m p e t e n t t o p r o c e e d. T h e
C o u r t d e t e r m i n e d h e w a s
i n c o m p e t e n t b a c k i n J u l y.
T h a t w a s b a s e d o n a n
a s s e s s m e n t b y a B u r e a u o f
P r i s o n s p s y c h i a t r i s t. T h
e r e
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w e r e c o n f l i c t i n g d o c u m e
n t s a t t h a t t i m e i n t e r m s o
f h i s
c o m p e t e n c y. H e h a d b e e n r e
c e n t l y e v a l u a t e d a n d f o u
n d t o
b e c o m p e t e n t i n t h e S t a t e
o f O r e g o n p r o c e e d i n g s.
I h a v e s p o k e n w i t h M r . M u r
p h y r e c e n t l y t h i s w e e k
w h i l e h e ' s a t N e v a d a. P r e s
e n t a l s o a t t h a t t i m e w a s m
y
i n v e s t i g a t o r, C o u r t n e y W
i t h i c o m b, a n d i f s h e w e r e c
a l l e d
t o t e s t i f y, s h e' d t e s t i f y
t h a t M r . M u r p h y w a s
i n t e r a c t i v e, h e w a s a w a r e
o f h i s r i g h t s, o f t h e v a r i o
u s
r o l e s o f t h e p a r t i c i p a n t
s i n C o u r t p r o c e e d i n g s, o f
h i s
v a r i o u s r i g h ts i n t h i s c a s
e, a n d i n d i c a t e d i n e v e r y
r e s p e c t t h a t h e ' s c o m p e t
e n t t o p r o c e e d.
I t ' s o u r p o s i t i o n t h a t t h
e e v a l u a t i o n, e v e n
a s s u m i n g h e w a s i n c o m p e t
e n t b a c k i n J u l y, t h a t w a s s
e v e n
m o n t h s a g o. T h a t i s a s t a l e
e v a l u a t i o n o n w h i c h t o b a
s e
a c o n t i n u i n g o r d e r f o r r e
s t o r a t i o n. T h e r e i s n o - - I
c a n' t s e e a n y p o s s i b l e e x p
l a n a t i o n w h y i t ' s t a k e n s
e v e n
m o n t h s f o r M r . M u r p h y t o b
e t r a n s p o r t e d t o a m e d i c a
l
f a c i l i t y.
I r e c e i v e d a n e - m a i l - - a c
t u a l l y, i t w a s
f o r w a r d e d t o m e w h e n t h e c
a s e w a s r e a s s i g n e d t o m e . I
t ' s
a n e - m a i l f r o m J a n u a r y 7 t
h f r o m a p s y c h o l o g y s e c r e
t a r y,
t h e U S M e d i c a l C e n t e r f o r
F e d e r a l P r i s o ns i n S p r i n g
f i e l d,
M i s s o u r i, i n d i c a t i n g t h a
t M r . M u r p h y h a d b e e n d e s i
g n a t e d
t o t h e i r f a c i l i t y, b u t t h a
t t h e a c t u a l d a t e o f h i s
a r r i v a l w a s s t i l l u n k n o w
n. T h a t w a s o n J a n u a r y 7 t h .
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S o w e h a v e a n i n d i v i d u a l w
h o h a s b e e n i n c u s t o d y
s i n c e b e i n g d e t e r m i n e d t
o b e i n c o m p e t e n t, s e v e n m o
n t h s.
T H E C O U R T: M r . H u y n h.
M R . H U Y N H: Y o u r H o n o r, t h i
s i s a n i s s u e t h a t h a s
b e e n r a i s e d b e f o r e t h i s C
o u r t a c o u p l e o f t i m e s. T h e
r e
h a v e b e e n h e a r i n g s o n t h i
s m a t t e r, s o t h i s C o u r t i s v
e r y
w e l l a w a r e o f w h y t h e r e' s b
e e n a d e l a y, a n d t h e r e a s o n
f o r i t .
J u s t a r e m i n d e r, M r . M u r p h
y w a s c h a r g e d w i t h
t h r e a t e n i n g t h e p r e s i d e
n t, m a k i n g I n t e r n e t t h r e a
t s t o
s h o o t h i m i n t h e h e a d o r k i
l l h i s s e c r e t s e r v i c e a g e
n t s.
T h i s a l s o c o n c e r n s u s t h a
t i n a p r i o r c a s e h e w a s f o u
n d
g u i l t y b y r e a s o n o f i n s a n
i t y.
T H E C O U R T: P r i o r F e d e r a l c
a s e o r - -
M R . H U Y N H: S t a t e. I t w a s a S
t a t e - - b y r e a s o n
o f i n s a n i t y i n w h i c h h e t r
i e d t o t a k e a g a r d e n p i c k a
x e
a n d k i l l t w o i n d i v i d u a l s,
s l a s h i n g o n e i n t h e g u t. H e
w a s s u b s e q u e n t l y r e l e a s
e d w h e n t h e d o c t o r s a t t h e
S t a t e
s a i d t h a t i t w a s a m e t h- i n d
u c e d p s y c h o s i s. B u t t h a t w
a s
l o n g b e f o r e t h e c u r r e n t c
r i m e s f o r w h i c h h e ' s b e e n
c h a r g e d.
T H E C O U R T: S o i n t h a t S t a t e
c a s e t h e y f o u n d - -
o r s o m e b o d y f o u n d t h a t m e
t h- i n d u c e d p s y c h o s i s w a s
- -
M R . H U Y N H: W e l l, g u i l t y b y
r e a s o n o f i n s a n i t y
w h i l e h e w a s i n c a r e f o r - - b
e c a u s e o f t h e r e s u l t o f t h
e
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i n s a n i t y f i n d i n g, t h e n t h
e y r e l e a s e d h i m a f t e r t h a
t
d o c t o r t h e r e t h o u g h t i t w
a s m e t h- i n d u c e d p s y c h o s i
s.
T H E C O U R T: T h e b a s i s f o r t h
e i n s a n i t y w a s
m e t h- i n d u c e d p s y c h o s i s?
M R . H U Y N H: C o r r e c t. B u t s u
b s e q u e n t t o h i s b e i n g
c h a r g e d i n t h i s c a s e, w e h a
d a c o m p e t e n c y e v a l u a t i o
n
d o n e. I t w a s a n e x t e n s i v e e
v a l u a t i o n. W e h a d a n
e x t e n s i v e c o m p e t e n c y h e
a r i n g i n w h i c h J u d g e R u s s
o
p r e s i d ed o v e r t h a t m a t t e r.
T h e d o c t o r t e s t i f i e d b y V
T C.
T h e d e f e n d a n t a l s o s p o k e,
a n d I c r o s s- e x a m i n e d t h e
d e f e n d a n t.
W h i l e t h e d o c t o r d i d s a y t
h a t t h e i n d i v i d u a l
u n d e r s t a n ds r o l e s, e t c e t
e r a, o f p e o p l e i n t h e C o u r t
a n d
i n C o u r t p r o c e e d i n g s, h e d
o e s n' t h a v e a r a t i o n a l
u n d e r s t a n d i n g o f t h e p r o
c e e d i n g s. I n f a c t, i n m y
c r o s s- e x a m i n a t i o n o f h i m
I j u s t a s k e d s o m e o f t h e s e
q u e s t i o n s - - a s k e d w h e t h
e r o r n o t - - t o e x p l a i n s o m
e o f
t h e s t a t e m e n t s h e m a d e t h
a t w e r e s o m e w h a t i r r a t i o
n a l, a n d
h e c o n t i n u e d t o d o s o .
J u d g e R u s s o f o u n d h i m t o b
e i n c o m p e t e n t a n d
o r d e r e d h i m t o b e - - d e s p i
t e F e d e r a l D e f e n d e r s a t t
h e
t i m e a r g u i n g t h a t h e w a s s
t i l l c o m p e t e n t g i v e n t h e
i r
c o m m u n i c a t i o n s.
S o w e h a v e h a d t h i s h e a r i n
g. I t ' s b e e n
l i t i g a t e d. H e w a s f o u n d t o
b e i n c o m p e t e n t. T h e
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o b s e r v a t i o n s d o n e b y u n t
r a i n e d p s y c h o l o g i s ts d o n'
t r i s e
i n a n y w a y, s h a p e, o r f o r m t
o t h e l e v e l t h a t s h o u l d b e
c o n s i d e r e d b y t h i s C o u r t
a s a v a l i d f i n d i n g. Y o u h a v
e a n
o r d e r b y J u d g e R u s s o t h a t
h e ' s f o u n d t o b e i n c o m p e t
e n t,
o r d e r e d t o b e r e s t o r e d.
T h e r e w a s a s n a f u, a s t h e C o
u r t c a n r e c a l l, w h e r e
t h e M a r s h a l s d i d n o t t r a n
s p o r t h i m b e c a u s e t h e y w e
r e
w a i t i n g f o r a c e r t a i n t y p
e o f d o c u m e n t a t i o n f r o m t
h e
C o u r t, a w e t o r d e r. T h a t w a
s p u t o n t h e d o c k e t b y
M r . W e i n t r a u b, a n d t h e n h e
w a s o r d e r e d t o b e t r a n s f e
r r e d
f o r h i s c o m p e t e n c y r e s t o
r a t i o n p r o c e e d i n g s.
T h e d e a d l i n e, w h i c h i s M a r
c h 7 t h , s o i t ' s c o m i n g
u p , t h a t' s w h e n t h e y a r e s u
p p o s e d t o t r a n s p o r t h i m. S
o
h e ' s i n t h e p r o c e s s. H e ' s s
u p p o s e d t o b e s e n t i n a
c o u p l e o f w e e k s.
T H E C O U R T: S o i t ' s n o t r i p e,
i s w h a t y o u a r e
s a y i n g?
M R . H U Y N H: N o , i t ' s n o t t h a
t i t ' s n o t r i p e. I
t h i n k i t ' s i n a p p r o p r i a t
e, a t t h i s p o i n t, t o a s k f o r
a n o t h e r e v a l u a t i o n w h e n
t h e r e' s b e e n a n e x t e n s i v e
o n e
d o n e. T h e r e' s b e e n a h e a r i
n g a n d f i n d i n g b y a n o t h e r
j u d g e. A n d i f t h e l o g i c a l a
n a l y s i s o r e x t e n s i o n o f t
h i s
w o u l d b e t o h a v e a n o t h e r d
o c t o r d o a n o t h e r e x a m i n a
t i o n, a
d i f f e r e n t d o c t o r t o , a t b
e s t, h a v e c o m p e t i n g
e x a m i n a t i o n s, a s s u m i n g t
h a t' s e v e n f o u n d, w h i c h i n
s o m e
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w a y, s h a p e, o r f o r m w o u l d b
e s o m e k i n d o f r e c o n s i d e r
a t i o n
o f a j u d g e' s o r d e r o f c o m p e
t e n c y o r i n c o m p e t e n c y b y
a
d i f f e r e n t j u d g e, a l l i n t h
e p r o c e s s o f , w h a t w o u l d
i n h e r e n t l y h a p p e n, d e l a y
i n g h i m f r o m b e i n g s e n t f o
r h i s
r e s t o r a t i o n p r o c e s s, w h i
c h i s s u p p o s e d t o b e s e t i n
a
c o u p l e o f w e e k s.
S o i t ' s n e i t h e r a p p r o p r i
a t e, a s a m a t t e r o f n e w
f a c t s f o r a r e c o n s i d e r a t
i o n, i t ' s n e i t h e r a p p r o p r
i a t e a s
a l o g i c a l e x t e n s i o n o f t h
e n e e d f o r t h i s t o b e d o n e, a
n d
t h i r d, i t w o u l d a l s o h i n d e
r t h e d e f e n d a n t f r o m g e t t
i n g
t h e t r e a t m e n t t h a t w e ' r e
t r y i n g t o g e t h i m b y d e l a y
i n g
t h a t p r o c e s s. A n d i t s t a r t
s o v e r a g a i n f o r t h e
t r a n s p o r t.
T H E C O U R T: M s . R u s s e l l.
M R . R U S S E L L: T h a n k y o u, Y o
u r H o n o r. W e h a v e
t h i s i s s u e o f s o r t o f s t a l
e n e s s t h a t c o m e s u p w i t h s
e a r c h
w a r r a n t a f f i d a v i t s. T h e i
d e a t h a t t h e r e' s i n f o r m a t
i o n
k n o w n t o t h e c a s e a g e n t s, s
e v e n m o n t h s g o b y , a n d t h e
y
a p p l y f o r a s e a r c h w a r r a n
t b a s e d o n t h a t i n f o r m a t i
o n.
A n d I t h i n k t h e r e s p o n s e u
s u a l l y i s t h a t t h e r e i s
i n f o r m a t i o n t h a t m a y s u p
p o r t a s e a r c h w a r r a n t o n o
n e d a y,
b u t t h e r e' s t h i s c o n c e p t o
f s t a l e n e s s t h a t w h e n t i m
e
p a s s e s, i n f o r m a t i o n i s n o
l o n g e r c u r r e n t.
T H E C O U R T: S o t h e c o n c e p t o
f s t a l e n e s s i s b a s e d
i n w h a t C o n s t i t u t i o n a l p
r i n c i p l e?
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M R . R U S S E L L: I t ' s t h e s a m e
h e r e, Y o u r H o n o r,
t h a t h e h a d a r i g h t t o - -
T H E C O U R T: T h e c o n c e p t o f s
t a l e n e s s i n t h e
c o n t e x t o f s e a r c h w a r r a n
t s i s - -
M R . R U S S E L L: I n t e r m s o f s e
a r c h w a r r a n t s, j u s t
a s a n a n a l o g y. B u t h e r e t h e
r e a l i t y i s t h i n g s c h a n g e.
I ' m n o t s a y i n g t h e r e' s a l e
g a l p r i n c i p l e b a s e d o n t h
i s,
b u t t h e r e i s t h i s c o n c e p t
t h a t w e w o r k w i t h i n m a n y, m
a n y
d i f f e r e n t a r e a s i n t h e c r
i m i n a l j u s t i c e s y s t e m.
T h e w h o l e c o n c e p t b e h i n d
t h e r e s t o r a t i o n i s t h a t
a n i n d i v i d u a l i s a b l e t o b
e r e s t o r e d. I f t h e r e' s n o
a b i l i t y t o r e s t o r e a n i n d
i v i d u a l, t h e n w e w o u l d j u s
t
d i s m i s s t h e c a s e t o b e g i n
w i t h. W e w o u l d f i n d t h a t t h
e
i n d i v i d u a l i s n e v e r g o i n
g t o b e r e t u r n e d t o c o m p e t
e n c y,
a n d t h a t i s a b i g b a s i s f o r
t h e c a s e t o b e d i s m i s s e d.
S o t h e i d e a t h a t - -
T H E C O U R T: I s t h a t t h e o n l y
o u t c o m e i f s o m e b o d y
i s n o t c o m p e t e n t?
M R . R U S S E L L: I f s o m e b o d y i
s n o t c o m p e t e n t.
T H E C O U R T: A n d c a n n e v e r b e
m a d e c o m p e t e n t - -
M S . R U S S E L L: C a n n e v e r b e m
a d e c o m p e t e n t, t h e n
t h e c a s e w o u l d b e d i s m i s s
e d.
T H E C O U R T: I s t h a t y o u r u n d
e r s t a n d i n g o f t h e
o n l y o u t c o m e?
M R . H U Y N H: T h a t' s n o t - - I t
h i n k w e c o n t i n u e t h e
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r e s t o r a t i o n p r o c e s s. T h e
r e' s l o t s m o r e o p t i o n s t o
r e s t o r a t i o n f r o m m e d i c a
t i o n, e t c e t e r a. A n d I t h i n
k t h e y
s t a y i n r e s t o r a t i o n f o r - -
T H E C O U R T: W o u l d t h e c a s e e
n d u p b e i n g - - t h e
c h a r g e s w o u l d b e d i s m i s s
e d, b u t h e w o u l d r e m a i n i n s
o m e
k i n d o f c u s t o d i a l - -
M R . H U Y N H: T h e c h a r g e s c a n
b e s t a y e d p e n d i n g
t h a t r e s t o r a t i o n p r o c e s
s - -
M R . R U S S E L L: I t h i n k t h a t i
s i n c o r r e c t. I f t h e
C o u r t w e r e t o d e t e r m i n e t
h a t a n i n d i v i d u a l c a n n e v
e r b e
r e s t o r e d t o c o m p e t e n c y, t
h a t i s t o s a y, t h e y a r e n e v e
r
g o i n g t o c h a n g e, t h e r e i s n
o t a n o p t i o n. T h e y c a n b e
c i v i l l y c o m m i t t e d, b u t t h
e r e' s n o o p t i o n t o c o n t i n u
e t h e
c a s e. T h e y c a n c o n t i n u e t h
e c a s e f o r r e s t o r a t i o n, b u
t i f
a C o u r t d e t e r m i n e s - - I ' v
e b e e n i n t h e s e p r o c e e d i n
g s
w h e r e a C o u r t d e t e r m i n es , b
a s e d o n e x p e r t t e s t i m o n y,
t h a t
t h i s i n d i v i d u a l w i l l n e v
e r b e r e s t o r e d, t h e n t h e c a
s e
s h o u l d b e d i s m i s s e d.
M R . H U Y N H: M y e x p e r i e n c e,
Y o u r H o n o r, i s m o s t
d o c t o r s d o n' t s a y n e v e r r e
s t o r e d. T h e y d o n' t g i v e u p
o n
a p a t i e n t. T h e y c o n t i n u e t
o t r e a t t h e i n d i v i d u a l.
H o w e v e r, I t h i n k i t ' s a c a d
e m i c, b e c a u s e t h a t' s
n o t t h e c a s e h e r e. W e h a v e a
p e r s o n w h o h a s n' t e v e n g o n
e
t o t h e i r r e s t o r a t i o n p r o
c e e d i n g s y e t. T h e p r o c e s s
i s
p r o c e e d i n g - -
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T H E C O U R T: S o w h a t i s t h e m i
n i m u m l e v e l o f
e v i d e n c e o r i n f o r m a t i o n
t h a t t h e C o u r t i s a l l o w e d
t o e v e n
c o n s i d e r b e f o r e I w o u l d e
v e n e n t e r t a i n t h e i d e a o f
i n i t i a t i n g a s e c o n d e v a l
u a t i o n?
M S . R U S S E L L: Y o u r H o n o r, o
u r p o s i t i o n, g i v e n t h e
p a s s a g e o f t i m e, w h i c h i s t
h e r e s p o n s i b i l i t y a n d f a
u l t o f
n o o n e o t h e r t h a n t h e g o v e
r n m e n t a n d t h e B u r e a u o f
P r i s o n s f o r n o t t r a n s p o r
t i n g t h i s i n d i v i d u a l, t h a
t i t ' s
o u r p o s i t i o n t h a t M r . M u r
p h y h a s b e e n r e s t o r e d.
T h e g o v e r n m e n t i s o f t h e p
o s i t i o n t h a t M r . M u r p h y
w a s r e s t o r a b l e a n d, t h e r e
f o r e, h e w a s s e n t f o r
r e s t o r a t i o n p r o c e e d i n g
s. T h e r e i s n o e x c l u s i v i t y
t h a t
t h e B u r e a u o f P r i s o n s h a s
t o a n i n d i v i d u a l b e c o m i n
g
r e s t o r e d t h r o u g h t h e p a s
s a g e o f t i m e. H e h a s b e e n o n
m e d i c a t i o n s i n c u s t o d y, a
n d I t h i n k g i v e n t h e p a s s a
g e o f
t i m e, M r . M u r p h y i s e n t i t l
e d t o b e h e r e i n C o u r t a n d t
o
b e a b l e t o p r o c e e d w i t h h i
s c a s e.
I f t h e C o u r t f i n d s h i m i n c
o m p e t e n t a t p r e s e n t,
t h e C o u r t c a n o r d e r t h a t h
e b e r e d e s i g n a t e d f o r
r e s t o r a t i o n. B u t I d o n' t b
e l i e v e t h a t' s t h e c a s e. I
b e l i e v e t h a t M r . M u r p h y i
s c o m p e t e n t t o p r o c e e d.
I h a v e - - a s I s a y, I d o n' t m a
k e m y s e l f a w i t n e s s
t o t h i s c a s e. T h e r e w a s a s e
c o n d i n d i v i d u a l, m y
i n v e s t i g a t o r, a n d i f c a l l
e d, s h e w o u l d t e s t i f y t h a t
M r . M u r p h y g a v e e v e r y i n d
i c a t i o n o f u n d e r s t a n d i n
g t h e
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i n t r i c a c i e s o f t h e c a s e, a
s w e l l a s o f t h e v a r i o u s - -
T H E C O U R T: W a s t h e r e a n y t h
i n g i n h i s l a s t
e v a l u a t i o n t h a t s u g g e s t
e d, o n e w a y o r t h e o t h e r - -
m e d i c a l e v i d e n c e t h a t s u
g g e s t e d o n e w a y o r t h e o t h
e r t h a t
h e i s c a p a b l e o f s e l f r e s t
o r a t i o n o r r e s t o r a t i o n b
y t h e
p a s s a g e o f t i m e, o r t h a t i t
w o u l d n' t r e q u i r e a c t i v e,
e n g a g e d t r e a t m e n t o f r e s
t o r a t i o n f o r h i m t o b e a b l
e t o
b e c o m e c o m p e t e n t?
M R . H U Y N H: N o , Y o u r H o n o r.
O b v i o u s l y t h e r e p o r t
d o e s n' t t a l k a b o u t t h e t y p
e o f r e s t o r a t i o n p r o c e s s.
T h a t' s w h y w e l e a v e i t t o a s
p e c i a l i s t. I t i s d o n e f o r
a n e v a l u a t i o n j u s t t o d e t
e r m i n e i f h e h a d a m e n t a l
c o n d i t i o n.
B u t o b v i o u s l y, I w i s h i t w e
r e t h e c a s e t h a t t i m e
w o u l d h e a l a l l p s y c h o l o g
i c a l p r o b l e m s, b u t t h a t' s
n o t o u r
r e a l i s t i c a p p r o a c h.
T H E C O U R T: B u t w e d o n' t k n o
w o n e w a y o r t h e
o t h e r?
M R . H U Y N H: W e d o n' t . B u t t h
e f a c t t h a t a l l t h e y
a r e p r e s e n t i n g i s t h e i r o
p i n i o n o f t h i s - - u n t r a i n
e d
o p i n i o n i s n o t s u f f i c i e n
t. I m e a n, M r . W e i n e r m a n
w o u l d n' t p r o v i d e t h a t o p i
n i o n, b u t a p p a r e n t l y t h e y
w a n t
t o g o t h a t f a r i n t h i s c a s e.
B u t t h e y m a d e t h e s e
a r g u m e n t s b e f o r e d u r i n g
t h e c o m p e t e n c y h e a r i n g, t
h a t t h e y
t h o u g h t h e w a s c o m p e t e n t
b a s e d o n t h e i r c o m m u n i c a
t i o n s.
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N o n e o f t h a t i s b e f o r e Y o u
r H o n o r. S o y o u d o n' t r e a l l
y
h a v e a n y n e w e v i d e n c e t o e
v e n r e c o n s i d e r t h e o r d e r
o f
J u d g e R u s s o.
T H E C O U R T: I ' m g o i n g t o b a r
e m y i g n o r a n c e f o r a
m o m e n t, a n d t h e n o n l y f o r a
m o m e n t, a n d t h e n y o u c a n
f o r g e t a b o u t i t .
W h y d o e s t h e g o v e r n m e n t c
a r e, a t t h i s p o i n t, i f
t h e d e f e n d a n t i s c l a i m i n
g c o m p e t e n c y h e a r i n g?
M R . H U Y N H: B e c a u s e i t ' s a s
l i p p e r y s l o p e
a r g u m e n t. I f t h i s i s n o w t h
e p r o c e s s w h e r e t h e y w a n t
t o
s a y i f t h e r e' s a n y d e l a y t h
a t a c o u r t o r d e r s h o u l d n o
w b e
n o l o n g e r v a l i d o n t h e p a s
s a g e t i m e. I t c a l l s f o r
e x t e n s i v e u s e o f a d d i t i o
n a l r e s o u r c e s t o h a v e s o m
e o n e b e
e x a m i n e d - -
T H E C O U R T: N o , m a y b e I m i s d
i r e c t e d t h e q u e s t i o n.
I f h e ' s c o m p e t e n t, t h e n w h
y n o t m o v e f o r w a r d w i t h
a a d j u d i c a t i o n.
M R . H U Y N H: B u t t h e p o i n t i s
, w h a t w e h a v e i n
f r o n t o f u s i s a n o p i n i o n f
r o m a p s y c h i a t r i s t t h a t s
a y s
h e i s n o t c o m p e t e n t. A n d t h
a t' s w h a t g i v e s m e p a u s e. I
d o n' t t h i n k w e c a n g o f o r w a
r d i n g o o d f a i t h i f I h a v e a
c e r t i f i e d o p i n i o n a n d a n
o r d e r f r o m t h e C o u r t f i n d
i n g h i m
t o b e i n c o m p e t e n t.
M S . R U S S E L L: T h a n k y o u, Y o
u r H o n o r. I w o u l d
l i k e t o j u s t h i g h l i g h t a c
o u p l e o f o t h e r p i e c e s o f
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i n f o r m a t i o n f o r t h e C o u r
t. I t w a s t h e o p i n i o n o f t h e
B u r e a u o f P r i s o n s t h a t - - a
n d i t w a s a D r . N y v o, t h a t
M r . M u r p h y w a s i n c o m p e t e
n t b e c a u s e h e s u f f e r s f r o
m
s c h i z o p h r e n i a.
S c h i z o p h r e n i a i s a m e n t a
l d i s e a s e a n d d i s o r d e r
t h a t i s t r e a t e d w i t h m e d i
c a t i o n. I t i s n o t a n i s s u e t
h a t
M r . M u r p h y w o u l d b e e n g a g
i n g i n c o u n s e l i n g o r i n c l
a s s e s
t o d e t e r m i n e a n d l e a r n t h
e r e l a t i v e r o l e s o f t h e p a
r t i e s
i n a p r o c e e d i n g. T h e r e f o r
e, w h e n w e ' r e s a y i n g t h a t
M r . M u r p h y c a n b e c o m e c o m
p e t e n t a g a i n o n h i s o w n, i s
r e a l l y n o t o n h i s o w n. I t ' s
o n a c o n s i s t e n t c o u r s e o f
m e d i c a t i o n.
T H E C O U R T: H a s h e b e e n r e c e
i v i n g h i s t r e a t m e n t
m e d i c a t i o n w h i l e h e ' s b e
e n i n c u s t o d y?
M S . R U S S E L L: T h a t i s m y u n d
e r s t a n d i n g, t h a t h e
h a s b e e n r e c e i v i n g t h e m e
d i c a t i o n.
T H E C O U R T: I w a n t t o s e t s o m
e p a r a m e t e r s f o r o u r
d i s c u s s i o n h e r e t o d a y. A n
d t h a t i s , I ' m n o t i n c l i n e
d t o
t r e a t t h i s a s a r e c o n s i d e
r a t i o n o f J u d g e R u s s o' s r u
l i n g.
T h e r e a p p e a r s t o h a v e b e e
n a v e r y l e n g t h y h e a r i n g t
h a t
a d d r e s s e d t h e s e m a t t e r s
a n d c o n s i d e r e d t h e e v i d e
n c e.
W h a t I ' m i n t e r e s t e d i n i s
w h e t h e r t h e r e' s a n y l a w
t h a t g u i d e s m e t o d a y w h e t
h e r i t ' s a p p r o p r i a t e f o r
m e t o
t r i g g e r a n e w e v a l u a t i o n
b y v i r t u e o f t h e p a s s a g e o
f
t i m e. I f - - o r i f t h e r e' s a n
y t h i n g t h a t h e l p s m e
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u n d e r s t a n d y o u r a r g u m e n
t a b o u t w h y I s h o u l d n' t i n i
t i a t e
a n a d d i t i o n a l e x a m i n a t i
o n.
S u p e r i m p o s e t h a t q u e s t i
o n o n t h e f a c t t h a t i f h e
w i l l b e m o s t c e r t a i n l y t r
a n s p o r t e d o n M a r c h 6 t h - -
M R . H U Y N H: 7 t h , Y o u r H o n o r.
T H E C O U R T: - - M a r c h 7 t h , t o
M i s s o u r i f o r
r e s t o r a t i o n - - I d o k n o w t
h a t y o u k e e p l o o k i n g t o
M s . P o t t e r f o r t h e a n s w e r.
M R . H U Y N H: B e c a u s e s h e w a s
h e r e f o r t h e l a s t
h e a r i n g, Y o u r H o n o r. B e s i
d e s, y o u h a v e a l r e a d y d e c l
a r e d
h e r t o b e t h e A l l- K n o w i n g - -
T H E C O U R T: I t w a s a b o d y l a n
g u a g e t e l l t h a t w a s
o b v i o u s.
M R . H U Y N H: I ' m d e f l e c t i n g.
M S . P O T T E R: I d o n' t w a n t t o
b e t h e k n o w- i t - a l l.
T H E C O U R T: W i t h g r e a t p o w e
r c o m e s i m m e n s e
r e s p o n s i b i l i t y, M s . P o t t
e r. D e a l w i t h i t .
B u t t h e p o i n t i s , M s . R u s s
e l l, w h a t I w a n t t o t r y
t o u n d e r s t a n d i s i f t h e r e'
s s o m e t h i n g t h a t n e e d s t o
b e
i n i t i a t e d n o w - - m y c o n c e
r n i s t h a t, i f , i n f a c t, w e
d o - -
H e r e' s m y p r a c t i c a l h a t. I
f h e ' s s c h e d u l e d t o g o
t o r e s t o r a t i o n t r e a t m e n
t o n M a r c h 7 t h , a n d i f , i n t
h e
c o u r s e o f t h a t r e s t o r a t i
o n t r e a t m e n t t h e r e i s g o i
n g t o b e
s o m e l e v e l o f e v a l u a t i o n,
w h a t I w o u l d h e s i t a t e a b o
u t
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i n i t i a t i n g s o m e s e p a r a t
e p r o c e s s r i g h t n o w, i s t h a
t i t
p u l l s h i m o u t o f t h e h o p p e
r f o r b e i n g t r a n s p o r t e d f
o r
r e s t o r a t i o n. I t a l s o r e q u
i r e s s o m e e x a m i n a t i o n t o
b e
c o n d u c t e d, w h i c h c o u l d t a
k e 9 0 d a y s t o c o m p l e t e.
A n d i f , i n f a c t, h e ' s f o u n d
a g a i n t o b e n o t
c o m p e t e n t, t h e n h e ' s p u t b
a c k i n t o t h e w a i t l i s t, w h i
c h I
h e a r d j u s t a l i t t l e b i t a g
o i s a t l e a s t a n o t h e r n i n e
w e e k s.
S o I - - I c a n a p p r e c i a t e w h
a t y o u a r e s a y i n g
a b o u t t h e n e e d t o m o v e o n t
h i s. I r e m e m b e r h a v i n g t h i
s
m a t t e r c o m i n g u p w i t h - - M
r . W e i n t r a u b w a s a d d r e s s
i n g i t
w i t h m e , a n d t h e r e a s o n I w
a n t e d t o e n s u r e h e w a s g o i
n g
t o b e t r a n s p o r t e d, I r e c e i
v e d a s s u r a n c e s t h a t h e w a
s
g o i n g t o b e t r a n s p o r t e d a
f t e r h a v i n g o v e r c o m e t h e
a d m i n i s t r a t i v e s n a f u s i
n M a r c h s o h e c a n g e t r e s t o
r a t i o n
t r e a t m e n t u n d e r w a y.
I w a n t t o c o n t i n u e t h a t p r
o c e s s, a n d I h a v e
g r e a t e r c o n f i d e n c e i n t h
a t p r o c e s s g i v i n g u s a d d i
t i o n a l
i n f o r m a t i o n, i f t h e r e i s a
n a d d i t i o n a l e v a l u a t i o n
t h a t i s
i n c o r p o r a t e d i n t o t h e r e
s t o r a t i o n p r o g r a m.
M R . H U Y N H: A n d, q u i t e h o n e
s t l y, Y o u r H o n o r,
t h a t' s t h e m o s t e f f i c i e n t
w a y, b e c a u s e i n t h e p r o c e s
s o f
d o i n g o f t h e r e s t o r a t i o n
t h e y w i l l d e t e r m i n e i f h e
' s
c o m p e t e n t. I f h e ' s c o m p e t
e n t, t h e n t h e a n a l y s i s i s d
o n e.
M S . R U S S E L L: A c o u p l e o f t h
i n g s. I w a n t t o m a k e
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s u r e i t ' s c l e a r o n t h e r e c
o r d t h a t o u r j u s t - - o u r
i n c r e d i b l y s t r o n g o b j e c
t i o n t o w h a t h a s g o n e o n h e
r e. I f
t h i s i s a n i n d i v i d u a l t h a
t i s s u f f e r i n g f r o m l e v e l
o f
m e n t a l i l l n e s s t h a t t h e g
o v e r n m e n t h a s b e e n s t r e s
s i n g a n d
e m p h a s i z i n g h e r e, t h e i d e
a t h a t h e s h o u l d h a v e b e e n
w a r e h o u s ed f o r s e v e n m o n t
h s, a n d m o s t r e c e n t l y, s i n
c e
M r . W e i n e r m a n w a s h e r e b e
f o r e Y o u r H o n o r l a s t, a t a
f o r- p r o f i t p r i s o n, n o t e v
e n r u n b y t h e B u r e a u o f P r i
s o n s,
i s r e a l l y o u t r a g e o u s.
I s p o k e - - w e c o n t a c t e d t h
e B u r e a u o f P r i s o n s
w i t h i n t h e l a s t t w o w e e k s
t r y i n g t o l o c a t e M r . M u r p
h y' s
l o c a t i o n, a n d t h e M a r s h a l
s w e r e u n a b l e t o t e l l u s w h
e r e
h e w a s. T h e y h a d n o i d e a a n d
c o u l d n o t r e p o r t. I t w a s
o n l y b y M r . M u r p h y r e a c h i
n g o u t t h r o u g h a f o r- p a i d
C o r r L i n k p r i v a t e e - m a i l
s e r v i c e r u n b y t h i s f o r- p r
o f i t
p r i v a t e p r i s o n t h a t h e w a
s a b l e t o l o c a t e, a n d
c o m m u n i c a t e w i t h h i s c o u
n s e l. A s I s a y, t h e M a r s h a l
s a n d
B u r e a u o f P r i s o n s h a d n o i
d e a w h e r e h e w a s e v e n
p h y s i c a l l y l o c a t e d t w o w
e e k s a g o.
S o t h i s i s a v e r y c o n c e r n i
n g s i t u a t i o n t o k n o w
t h a t h e ' s h o u s e d s o m e w h e
r e w h e r e a c o m p a n y i s m a k i
n g
m o n e y o f f o f h i m b e i n g p r e
s e n t i n t h a t l o c a t i o n. W e ' r
e
s e t h e r e f o r a s t a t u s c o n f
e r e n c e o n M a r c h 1 3 t h , a n d
a c c o r d i n g t o m y n o t e s, M r . M
u r p h y' s a p p e a r a n c e i s
r e q u i r e d a t t h a t s t a t u s c
o n f e r e n c e.
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T H E C O U R T: A n d i f I r e c a l l c
o r r e c t l y, I t h i n k i t
w a s g o i n g t o b e - - I m e a n, i t
w a s g o i n g t o b e m o d i f i e d
t h a t h e w o u l d b e r e q u i r e d
i f h e h a d n o t b e e n t r a n s p o
r t e d.
M R . H U Y N H: C o r r e c t. T h a t' s
w h y, Y o u r H o n o r,
w h e n i t c o m e s d o w n, w e a p p r
e c i a t e t h e c o n c e r n. W e h a v
e
e x p r e s s e d i t t o t h i s C o u r
t i n b o t h h e a r i n g s. W e m a d e
e x t r a s t e p s t o m a k e s u r e h
e ' s t r a n s p o r t e d. I d i d i t
b e f o r e I l e f t f o r v a c a t i o
n, a s w e l l a s e n s u r i n g t h a t
h e
w a s, i n f a c t, t r a n s p o r t e d.
N o w, t h e d e l a y i n t h e m i d d l
e o f t h e t r a n s p o r t, w e
w e r e n' t a n t i c i p a t i n g. S o
I u n d e r s t a n d t h a t, b u t t h e
s o l u t i o n t o i t o f h a v i n g a
n o t h e r e x a m i n a t i o n, e t c e
t e r a,
i s s i m p l y c o u n t e r p r o d u c
t i v e a n d n o t c a l l e d f o r i n
t h i s
c a s e. B u t w e d o a p p r e c i a t e
t h e c o n c e r n s.
T H E C O U R T: I e c h o t h o s e s a m
e s t a t e m e n t s,
M s . R u s s e l l. T h i s c a s e d o e
s c o n c e r n m e a b o u t w h a t h a
s
h a p p e n e d b e t w e e n s e v e n m
o n t h s a g o a n d n o w, w h i c h i s
n o t h i n g i n t h e w a y o f r e s t
o r a t i o n. B u t d e r a i l i n g t h
a t
p r o c e s s o n t h e e a v e o f g e t
t i n g h i m t o r e s t o r a t i o n, t
o m e ,
d o e s n' t s e e m t o b e t h e a p p r
o p r i a t e a n s w e r i n t h i s n a
r r o w
c o n t e x t o f w h a t t o d o w i t h
t h e c a s e.
T h a t d o e s n' t m e a n t h e r e a r
e n' t o t h e r c l a i m s o r
r e m e d i e s t o M r . M u r p h y, b u
t t h a t' s b e y o n d t h e s c o p e o
f m y
r e v i e w h e r e. W h a t I w a n t t o
d o i s k e e p t h i s o n t r a c k,
a n d I t h i n k M r . H u y n h k n o w
s, a s w e l l a s a n y b o d y e l s e,
i f
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M r . M u r p h y i s n o t t r a n s p o
r t e d o n M a r c h 7 t h h e ' s g o i
n g t o
b e h e r e o n M a r c h 1 3 t h . A n d
t h e n y o u r a r g u m e n t a n d y o
u r
r e c o m m e n d a t i o n w i t h r e s
p e c t t o s o m e t h i n g o t h e r t
h a n
p u t t i n g h i m b a c k o n t h e r e
s t o r a t i o n w a i t l i s t i s g o
i n g t o
h a v e m u c h g r e a t e r t r a c t i
o n f o r m e . B e c a u s e t h e n, a t
t h a t
p o i n t, i f h e i s n' t m o v e d o n
t o r e s t o r a t i o n, m y c o n f i d
e n c e
i s g o i n g t o b e l o s t a b o u t h
o w t h i s p r o c e s s i s f a i l i n
g
b o t h p a r t i e s. B u t i n p a r t i
c u l a r, M r . M u r p h y, a n d h i s
n e e d t o m o v e t h i s a l o n g.
M S . R U S S E L L: I ' d l i k e i t o n
t h e r e c o r d, s o t h a t
t h e B u r e a u o f P r i s o n s a n d
t h e M a r s h a l s a t l e a s t k n o
w s
w h e r e M r . M u r p h y i s l o c a t
e d. T h a t i s P a h r u m p, N e v a d
a.
T H E C O U R T: C a n y o u s p e l l t h
a t c i t y?
M S . R U S S E L L: Y e a h, i t i s a n
i n t e r e s t i n g
s p e l l i n g. I t i s P - A - H - R - U
- M - P , P a h r u m p, N e v a d a.
M R . H U Y N H: I ' l l f o l l o w u p , a
s w e l l, Y o u r H o n o r.
M S . R U S S E L L: T h a n k y o u. A n
d I j u s t w a n t e d t o
c o r r e c t o n e s t a t e m e n t. T h
e r e w a s a s u m m a r y b y M r . H u
y n h
o f t h e s t a t e m e n t s t h a t M r
. M u r p h y i s a l l e g e d t o h a v
e
m a d e. T h e r e a r e, I t h i n k, i n
t o t a l t h r e e s t a t e m e n t s t
h a t
w e r e m a d e a t s o m e - - o n a T w
i t t e r a c c o u n t. T h e r e w a s a
c h a r a c t e r i z a t i o n t h a t M
r . M u r p h y s a i d t h a t h e w a s
g o i n g
t o k i l l M r . T r u m p.
I j u s t w a n t t h e C o u r t t o k n
o w i t w a s n' t , i n f a c t,
a r e f e r e n c e o f " I . " I t s a y
s, " D o n a l d J . T r u m p w i l l b e
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t e r m i n a t e d o n M a r c h 7 , 2 0
1 8. " I t s a y s, " b y m y h a n d, " a
n d
i t ' s " L u c i f e r. "
T H E C O U R T: I t ' s s i g n e d " L u
c i f e r" ?
M S . R U S S E L L: " L u c i f e r. "
M R . H U Y N H: I t ' s h i s T w i t t e
r a c c o u n t, Y o u r H o n o r.
M S . R U S S E L L: I t h i n k t h e r e
a r e a l o t o f s t r o n g
c o m m u n i c a t i o n s i n s o c i a
l m e d i a i n v o l v i n g t h i s
i n d i v i d u a l - - t h i s p r e s i
d e n t, i n p a r t i c u l a r, s o I j
u s t
w a n t t h e C o u r t t o k n o w t h a
t w e h a v e a h a n d f u l o f c o m m
e n t s
t h a t a r e m a d e a b o u t a n i n d
i v i d u a l w h o i s s o m e w h a t
u n p o p u l a r i n c e r t a i n c i r
c l e s a n d t h e s e c o m m e n t s a
r e
s i g n e d b y - -
T H E C O U R T: I n e e d t o m a k e t h
i s v e r y c l e a r. T h i s
i s n' t t h e f o r u m i n w h i c h p o
l i t i c a l s t a t e m e n t s a n d
r e c o g n i t i o ns a r e a p p r o p r
i a t e. A n d I a m n o t r e a d i n g i
t
a n y m o r e, a n d I d o n' t t h i n k
y o u i n t e n d e d i t a n y m o r e t
h a n
s i m p l y a c k n o w l e d g i n g s o
m e v i e w p o i n t s e l s e w h e r e,
b u t n o t
n e c e s s a r i l y a p p r o p r i a t
e f o r t h e c o u r t r o o m.
A t t h e e n d o f t h e d a y, t h e c h
a r g e s a r e a s
d i r e c t e d t o w a r d t h e O f f i
c e o f t h e P r e s i d e n t, a n d t h
a t' s
w h a t c r e a t e s t h e g r a v i t y
o f t h e F e d e r a l c h a r g e s h e
r e
t o d a y.
M S . R U S S E L L: A n d, Y o u r H o n
o r, I d i d n' t m e a n t h a t
t h e r e w a s s o m e v a l i d i t y, o
r h e s o m e h o w h a d a t r u t h i n
t h e
d e f e n s e. W h a t I w a s l i t e r a
l l y t r y i n g t o p o i n t o u t i s
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t h a t t h e s e w e r e m o r e o f a p
o l i t i c a l n a t u r e, a n d a n
e x p r e s s i o n o f d i s l i k e o f
a n i n d i v i d u a l.
S o I w a n t e d t h e C o u r t t o b e
k n o w i n g f r o m t h a t
r e p r e s e n t a t i o n i s t h a t I
t h i n k t h a t M r . M u r p h y h a s
d e f e n s es i n t h i s c a s e t h a t
r e a l l y - - t h e r e a r e f a c t u
a l
i s s u e s w h e n h e g e t s t o t h e
s u b s t a n c e, s o i t m a k e s i t e
v e n
m o r e i m p o r t a n t t h a t t h e s
e d e l a y s h a v e t a k e n s o l o n
g.
B e c a u s e I d o t h i n k h e h a s d
e f e n s es t o t h e c h a r g e s, i f
t h e y a r e u l t i m a t e l y t o p r
o c e e d. T h a t' s w h a t I m e a n t
t o
s a y.
M R . H U Y N H: W h i c h i s w h y t h e
r e s t o r a t i o n
p r o c e e d i n g i s i m p o r t a n t,
s o h e c a n p a r t i c i p a t e i n h
i s o w n
d e f e n s e, Y o u r H o n o r.
T H E C O U R T: N o w, y o u a r e n o w
p e r m a n e n t l y a s s i g n e d
t o t h e c a s e, M s . R u s s e l l?
M S . R U S S E L L: Y e s.
T H E C O U R T: A n d t h e n i f M r . M
u r p h y i s t r a n s p o r t e d
M a r c h 7 t h , w e w i l l h a v e o u
r s t a t u s h e a r i n g, b u t w i t h
o u t
M r . M u r p h y p r e s e n t.
M R . H U Y N H: C o r r e c t, Y o u r H
o n o r.
T H E C O U R T: A g a i n, I d o w a n t
t o m a k e v e r y c l e a r
f o r t h e r e c o r d, a n d w h a t e v
e r m i n u t e o r d e r s h e r e, t h a
t
M r . M u r p h y' s p r e s e n c e i s w
a i v e d f o r t h a t M a r c h 1 3 t h
h e a r i n g u n l e s s h e h a s n o t
b e e n t r a n s p o r t e d f o r
r e s t o r a t i o n.
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M R . H U Y N H: M a k e s s e n s e. W e
w i l l f o l l o w u p w i t h
t h e M a r s h a l s.
M S . R U S S E L L: A n d t o m a k e s u
r e, b e c a u s e I t h i n k
i t c o u l d b e s a i d t h a t h e i s
i n t h e p r o c e s s o f b e i n g
t r a n s p o r t e d, m e a n i n g t h a
t h e ' s b e e n t r a n s p o r t e d t
o t h e
f i n a l m e d i c a l c e n t e r.
T H E C O U R T: T o t h e f i n a l d e s
t i n a t i o n f o r
r e s t o r a t i o n. T h a n k y o u a l
l.
M R . H U Y N H: T h a n k y o u.
C O U R T C L E R K: C o u r t i s a d j o
u r n e d.
( P r o c e e d i n g s c o n c l u d e d
a t
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C O U N T Y O F Y A M H I L L)
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r t i f i e d S h o r t h a n d
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a t e o f O r e g o n, h e r e b y c e r t
i f y
t h a t a t s a i d t i m e a n d p l a c
e I r e p o r t e d i n s t e n o t y p e
a l l
t e s t i m o n y a d d u c e d a n d o t
h e r o r a l p r o c e e d i n g s h a d
i n t h e
f o r e g o i n g h e a r i n g; t h a t t
h e r e a f t e r m y n o t e s w e r e
t r a n s c r i b e d b y c o m p u t e r-
a i d e d t r a n s c r i p t i o n b y m
e
p e r s o n a l l y; a n d t h a t t h e f
o r e g o i n g t r a n s c r i p t c o n
t a i n s a
f u l l, t r u e a n d c o r r e c t r e c
o r d o f s u c h t e s t i m o n y a d d
u c e d
a n d o t h e r o r a l p r o c e e d i n
g s h a d, a n d o f t h e w h o l e t h e
r e o f.
W i t n e s s m y h a n d a n d s e a l a
t D u n d e e, O r e g o n,
t h i s 8 t h d a y o f M a r c h, 2 0 2 0.
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R I C T C O U R T
F O R T H E D I S T R I C T O F O R E G O
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A B L E M U S T A F A K A S U B H A I, M a
g i s t r a t e
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O F F I C I A L C O U R T R E P O R T E R
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A P P E A R A N C E S
F o r t h e G o v e r n m e n t:
NATHAN LICHVARCIK
US Attorney's Office
405 E Eight Avenue
Eugene, Oregon 97401
541.465.6771
Nathan.j.lichvarcik@usdoj.gov
F o r t h e D e f e n d a n t:
KRISTEN WINEMILLER
Pacific Northwest Law
333 SW Taylor, Ste. 300
Portland Oregon 97204
503.222.2661
Klwinemiller@pacificnwlaw.com
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P R O C E E D I N G S
W e d n e s d a y, O c t o b e r 1 6 , 2 0
1 9, a t 1 1 : 1 6 a . m .
C O U R T C L E R K: M a g i s t r a t e c
a s e 1 8 - 3 3 , T h o m a s
R o b e r t M u r p h y f o r s t a t u s
c o n f e r e n c e.
M S . W I N E M I L L E R: G o o d m o r n
i n g, Y o u r H o n o r.
K r i s t e n W i n e m i l l e r a p p e
a r i n g w i t h M r . M u r p h y. W e
a p p e a r e d o n c e b y p h o n e, b u
t w e h a v e n' t m e t b e f o r e.
T H E C O U R T: N i c e t o m e e t y o u
i n p e r s o n.
M R . L I C H V A R C I K: J o s e p h H u
y n h - - N a t e L i c h v a r c i k
s t a n d i n g i n f o r J o s e p h H u
y n h.
T H E C O U R T: H a v e y o u h a d a c h
a n c e t o r e v i e w t h e
f o r e n s i c p s y c h o l o g i c a l
r e p o r t?
M S . W I N E M I L L E R: I h a v e. A n
d t h e p a r t i e s a r e i n
a g r e e m e n t t h a t t h e r e' s n o
q u e s t i o n n o w a s t o c o m p e t
e n c y.
W e ' r e p r e p a r e d t o p r o c e e
d.
T H E C O U R T: H o w w o u l d y o u l i
k e t o p r o c e e d?
M S . W I N E M I L L E R: I t h i n k t h
e C o u r t c o u l d m a k e a
f i n d i n g t h a t b a s e d o n t h e
r e p r e s e n t a t i o n o f t h e p a
r t i e s
w e c a n s e t i t f o r a h e a r i n g,
i f Y o u r H o n o r i s i n t e r e s t
e d
i n g e t t i n g i n t o m o r e d e t a
i l. B u t I t h i n k w e ' r e s a t i s
f i e d
t h e r e r e a l l y i s n o n e e d t o
d o t h a t n o w.
T H E C O U R T: M r . L i c h v a r c i k,
t h a t' s y o u r
a s s e s s m e n t, a s w e l l?
M R . L I C H V A R C I K: A f t e r s p e
a k i n g w i t h - - A U S A
H u y n h, I k n o w h e a n d d e f e n s
e h a v e s p o k e n a n d t h e y a r e
i n
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a g r e e m e n t t h a t h e i s c o m p
e t e n t t o p r o c e e d. A n d s o i t
w o u l d b e b a s e d o n t h e r e p r
e s e n t a t i o n s o f t h e p a r t i
e s, b u t
a l s o t h e C o u r t' s - - I w o u l d
s u g g e s t t h a t h e a l s o b e m a
d e,
b a s e d u p o n t h e C o u r t' s r e v
i e w o f t h a t A u g u s t 1 s t , 2 0
1 9,
r e p o r t a u t h o re d b y A s h l e y
K . C h r i s t i a n s o n, w h i c h I t
h i n k
y o u h a v e a c o p y o f .
T H E C O U R T: I d o . B a s e d o n t h
e r e p r e s e n t a t i o n s
o f c o u n s e l h e r e t o d a y, a n d
m y r e v i e w o f t h e f o r e n s i c
p s y c h o l o g i c a l r e p o r t, w h
i c h i s d a t e d A u g u s t 1 s t , 2
0 1 9, b y
D r . A s h l e y C h r i s t i a n s o n,
I w i l l f i n d a n d a p p r o v e t h
e
a g r e e m e n t b e t w e e n t h e p a
r t i e s t h a t t h e d e f e n d a n t
i s
c o m p e t e n t t o p r o c e e d.
S o w e s h o u l d g o a h e a d a n d s
e t a d a t e o u t, a n d d o
y o u w i s h t o e x c l u d e t i m e?
M R . L I C H V A R C I K: M y u n d e r s
t a n d i n g i s t h e p a r t i e s
h a v e d i s c u s s e d r e q u e s t i
n g a 3 0 - d a y c o n t i n u a n c e t
o a l l o w
t h e m t o n e g o t i a t e a n d d i s
c u s s t h e c a s e, a n d s e e i f t h
e y
c a n' t f i n d a r e s o l u t i o n. A
n d t h e d e f e n s e i s w a i v i n g
s p e e d y i n d i c t m e n t d u r i n
g t h a t t i m e.
M S . W I N E M I L L E R: T h a t i s c o
r r e c t, Y o u r H o n o r.
T H E C O U R T: 3 0 d a y s a r e e x c l
u d e d i n t h e i n t e r e s t
o f j u s t i c e, a n d w a i v e r u n d
e r t h e S p e e d y T r i a l A c t a n
d
p r e s e n t m e n t t o t h e g r a n d
j u r y f o r i n d i c t m e n t w i l l
a l s o b e
a l l o w e d.
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n c e i n t h a t n e x t s t a t u s
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c o n f e r e n c e, d o y o u w a i v e t
h a t o r r e q u i r e h i s a p p e a r
a n c e?
M S . W I N E M I L L E R: I a m s o r r y.
I h a d n o t a s k e d h i m
t h a t q u e s t i o n. I t h i n k a t t
h i s p o i n t h e m i g h t b e p r e t
t y
i n t e r e s t e d i n b e i n g h e r e.
( D i s c u s s i o n o f f t h e r e c o
r d. )
M S . W I N E M I L L E R: I t h i n k w e
s h o u l d p l a n t o h a v e
h i m t r a n s p o r t e d. W e m a y n e
e d h i m h e r e.
T H E C O U R T: D e f e n d a n t' s a p
p e a r a n c e w i l l b e
r e q u i r e d. W e w i l l g e t t h a t
n e x t s t a t u s c o n f e r e n c e i
n
j u s t - -
C O U R T C L E R K: S t a t u s c o n f e
r e n c e i s s e t f o r
N o v e m b e r 1 3 , 2 0 1 9, a t 2 : 0 0
p . m . b e f o r e J u d g e K a s u b h
a i.
M S . W I N E M I L L E R: W o u l d i t b
e p o s s i b l e t o d o i t
e i t h e r t h e 1 9 t h o r t h e 2 0 t
h ? I n e e d t o b e d o w n h e r e
a n y w a y o n a n o t h e r m a t t e r.
T H E C O U R T: S o w e n e e d a l i t t
l e m o r e t i m e t h a n
3 0 d a y s t o e x c l u d e y o u - - d
o y o u a p p r o v e 4 5 d a y s
e x c l u d e d?
M S . W I N E M I L L E R: C e r t a i nl
y .
T H E C O U R T: T h a t' s a l l o w e d.
C O U R T C L E R K: S t a t u s c o n f e
r e n c e i s s e t f o r
N o v e m b e r 2 0 , 2 0 1 9, a t 2 : 0 0
p . m . b e f o r e J u d g e K a s u b h
a i.
M S . W I N E M I L L E R: T h a n k y o u,
Y o u r H o n o r.
T H E C O U R T: Y o u a r e w e l c o m e.
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a t 1 1 : 1 9 a . m .)
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a t e o f O r e g o n, h e r e b y c e r t
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a l l
t e s t i m o n y a d d u c e d a n d o t
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f o r e g o i n g h e a r i n g; t h a t t
h e r e a f t e r m y n o t e s w e r e
t r a n s c r i b e d b y c o m p u t e r-
a i d e d t r a n s c r i p t i o n b y m
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o r e g o i n g t r a n s c r i p t c o n
t a i n s a
f u l l, t r u e a n d c o r r e c t r e c
o r d o f s u c h t e s t i m o n y a d d
u c e d
a n d o t h e r o r a l p r o c e e d i n
g s h a d, a n d o f t h e w h o l e t h e
r e o f.
W i t n e s s m y h a n d a n d s e a l a
t D u n d e e, O r e g o n,
t h i s 8 t h d a y o f M a r c h, 2 0 2 0.
/ s / D e b o r a h L . C o o k, R P R, C
S R
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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF OREGON
EUGENE DIVISION
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, )
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Plaintiff, ) Case No. 6:19-cr-00530-AA
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THOMAS ROBERT MURPHY, )
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Defendant. ) Portland, Oregon
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STATUS CONFERENCE
TRANSCRIPT OF FTR-RECORDED PROCEEDINGS
BEFORE THE HONORABLE MUSTAFA T. KASUBHAI
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT MAGISTRATE JUDGE
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APPEARANCES
FOR THE PLAINTIFF:
JOSEPH HUYNH
United States Attorney's Office
405 E. 8th Avenue
Suite 2400
Eugene, OR 97401
FOR THE DEFENDANT:
IRINA HUGHES
Federal Public Defender's Office
859 Willamette Street
Suite 200
Eugene, OR 97401
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TRANSCRIPT OF FTR-RECORDED PROCEEDINGS
(August 14, 2019)
(In open court:)
DEPUTY COURTROOM CLERK: This is Magistrate
Case No. 18-00033. United States of America
v. Thomas Robert
Murphy for a status conference.
MS. HUGHES: Irina Hughes, standing in for
Ms. Russell. It is my understanding that there
was a motion to
withdraw filed this afternoon, and a motion
for substitution of
counsel, I think, also has been filed.
MR. HUYNH: Yeah. I just saw it about a half
hour
before we came into court.
THE COURT: Who filed it?
MS. HUGHES: Motion to withdraw was filed by
Ms. Russell, and the substitution, I believe,
is a panel
attorney. I'm not sure who's going to take
it.
THE COURT: Oh, so we could have somebody already
on
board?
MR. HUYNH: I actually didn't see a --
MS. HUGHES: That was my -- I have around 19
emails.
MR. HUYNH: And I just saw a motion to withdraw
in
the system. I don't know if Jackie can -- that's
all I saw in
the system was a motion to withdraw.
MS. HUGHES: Yeah. I think that there has been
a
motion for substitution.
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THE COURT: But I'm not positive of that.
MS. HUGHES: In any event, it's going to go
to a
panel attorney. Yes, the motion -- substitution
and -- well,
it's ex parte.
MR. HUYNH: That could be it.
THE COURT: It doesn't look like there's anything
in
the docket that reflects another attorney
has been assigned or
has taken on the case.
MS. HUGHES: It's ex parte, so I'm not sure.
Oh, and
it's filed under -- I -- I'm not sure exactly.
I -- the
communications that I received, it had -- it's
-- they are
being filed now. That was at 12:39.
MR. HUYNH: I'm not aware of this, Your Honor,
so --
because, obviously, it's ex parte. Perhaps
the Court should
set it for a status conference when the defendant
can be
present.
Given the fact that we just received a report
from the BOP
regarding his restoration proceedings, it
recommends that he --
or it suggests that he is competent. Perhaps
we should set it
both for an appearance of counsel as well
as possible
discussions on going forward. Since it looks
like we can try
to get him transported for that, he probably
should be present
for that matter.
THE COURT: So he's -- so they're preparing
to
transfer him back to the Oregon District?
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MR. HUYNH: I have not talked to the marshals
about
that. I think they would transport if you
have a hearing
requesting his presence. He's not needed,
according to the
psychiatrist, to be at the BOP in Sheridan,
since they deemed
him to be competent. So I assume they would
want him
transferred out.
MS. HUGHES: And I was asked to request a status
conference for next week, just to make sure
that there is a --
that there is a panel attorney that handles
the case -- that
has got the case.
THE COURT: And the motion that was filed indicated
that they were -- that the FPD said it was
reaching for -- it
was reaching out to the CJA panel but had
not yet identified a
new attorney to be assigned.
MS. HUGHES: Okay.
THE COURT: So I wonder if next week would
actually -- I suppose we could get somebody
on board, I would
imagine. Why don't we -- why don't we set
it out -- it makes
sense to do it next week. All right. Let's
set it out to next
week.
MR. HUYNH: I don't know if the defendant can
be here
in time. He is in Springfield. There will
still be stages of
hearings before we can address the issue of
the restoration
proceeding and competency.
MS. HUGHES: Well, yeah, he's still (indiscernible)
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not going to be transported at this time.
THE COURT: I'm not -- I wouldn't want to order
his
transport for next week. I think it would
be -- it would be
impossible to probably have him out here next
week.
MS. HUGHES: All right.
THE COURT: Why don't we go ahead and have
a status
conference. Have a person assigned to make
sure that that is
on board, and that way we can just get it
into the hopper to
keep it moving along. And then when we have
Mr. Murphy back
here in Oregon, we can schedule that in person
if the new
attorney wishes that to be the case.
MR. HUYNH: Yes, Your Honor.
DEPUTY COURTROOM CLERK: Status conference
is set for
August 21, 2019, at 1:30 p.m., before Judge
Kasubhai.
(FTR-recorded hearing concluded.)
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C E R T I F I C A T E
United States of America v. Thomas Robert
Murphy
6:19-cr-00530-AA
STATUS CONFERENCE
August 14, 2019
I certify, by signing below, that the foregoing
is a
true and correct transcript of the record,
taken by
stenographic means, of the FTR-recorded proceedings
in the
above-entitled cause. Where (indiscernible)
has been
indicated, the audio file was unable to be
heard due to
simultaneous crosstalk, fast speaking, mumbling,
or other room
noises overriding what was being said. A transcript
without an
original signature, conformed signature, or
digitally signed
signature is not certified.
/s/Jill L. Jessup, CSR, RMR, RDR, CRR, CRC
_____________________________________________
Transcriber/Official Court Reporter Signature
Date: 3/11/2020
Oregon CSR No. 98-0346 CSR Expiration Date:
9/30/2020
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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF OREGON
EUGENE DIVISION
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, )
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Plaintiff, ) Case No. 6:19-cr-00530-AA
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v. )
) November 20, 2019
THOMAS ROBERT MURPHY, )
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Defendant. ) Portland, Oregon
________________________________)
STATUS CONFERENCE
EX PARTE HEARING
TRANSCRIPT OF FTR-RECORDED PROCEEDINGS
BEFORE THE HONORABLE MUSTAFA T. KASUBHAI
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT MAGISTRATE JUDGE
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APPEARANCES
FOR THE PLAINTIFF:
JOSEPH HUYNH
United States Attorney's Office
405 E. 8th Avenue
Suite 2400
Eugene, OR 97401
FOR THE DEFENDANT:
Kristen L. Winemiller
Pacific Northwest Law LLP
333 SW Taylor Street
Suite 300
Portland, OR 97204
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TRANSCRIPT OF FTR-RECORDED PROCEEDINGS
(November 20, 2019)
(In open court:)
DEPUTY COURTROOM CLERK: This is Magistrate
Case
No. 18-00033. United States of America v.
Thomas Robert Murphy
for status conference.
THE COURT: Ms. Winemiller, did you indicate
that
this was -- you wanted to take this up at
the very end and
ex parte?
MS. WINEMILLER: I did, Your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. And Mr. Huynh is --
MR. HUYNH: I'll step outside.
THE COURT: Thank you very much.
MR. HUYNH: I understand.
MS. WINEMILLER: I once had the opportunity
in a
panel case to appear in Pahrump, and that
was memorable.
THE COURT: I may have to go visit one day.
MS. WINEMILLER: There's a famous 30 Rock episode
with John Goodman.
THE COURT: Thank you, sir.
I believe you have the courtroom, Ms. Winemiller.
MS. WINEMILLER: Yes, Your Honor. Thank you.
(Government counsel not present.)
THE COURT: I believe you have the courtroom,
Ms. Winemiller.
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MS. WINEMILLER: Yes. Thank you. I don't have
the
number memorized. I should probably read it
back into the
record.
THE COURT: Oh, can you recite the caption?
DEPUTY COURTROOM CLERK: Magistrate Case
No. 18-00033, United States of America v.
Thomas Robert Murphy,
for a status conference.
MS. WINEMILLER: Thank you, Your Honor, for
hearing
this ex parte.
Mr. Murphy and I have met now three times
in person. Also
talked on the phone. He has been waiting a
very long time for
his day in court. In fact, I think today marks
the 21st month
that this has been proceeding. He was arrested
initially in
February of 2018, and for that reason, I am
proceeding very
carefully today because I -- Mr. Murphy and
I have some
difference of opinion about the best way to
proceed, given all
of the issues that have happened so far with
respect to his
competency. I would like some additional time
to talk with him
about that, but I do not want to raise the
issue of competency
in any formal way, without being absolutely
certain that that
would be appropriate, and I'm not certain
that that is
appropriate now.
We continue to have constructive conversations;
although,
my concern is that he may not be waiting long
enough to hear
what I tell him and taking in all of the information
that I
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think he needs to make a decision of this
import.
His position is that he would like to be indicted.
He
would like to get the schedule for motions
and then eventually
for a trial. He would like to move everything
forward, and
that may well be the direction that we go.
But the concern
that I have is that Mr. Huynh and I have had
some very -- you
know, also very productive conversations that
are leading to
what I believe would be an extremely beneficial
result for
Mr. Murphy. And he was not only on board with
that but had
directed me to pursue that, based on our first
conversations,
and then just within the last couple of days
has taken a
90 degree turn away from that and wants it
now -- wants to be
indicted and wants it set.
THE DEFENDANT: Can I address the Court, Your
Honor,
when she's done?
MS. WINEMILLER: He's thinking that we can
move on a
dual track. Mr. Huynh is saying absolutely
not.
THE COURT: (Indiscernible.)
THE DEFENDANT: That's not true. Can I address
the
Court?
THE COURT: Well, what I want to make sure
is clear
is that even though this is ex parte, we're
also on the record,
and so --
THE DEFENDANT: I understand that, Your Honor.
THE COURT: -- anything that is said, can be
-- can
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potentially be used in court proceedings.
THE DEFENDANT: I understand that.
THE COURT: So I think it's a very.
THE DEFENDANT: I just want to take a minute
to
address you, Your Honor, if that's okay.
THE COURT: Well, before I consider that,
Ms. Winemiller, have you had the opportunity
to discuss the --
the disadvantages of making statements in
open court with your
client or --
MS. WINEMILLER: Well, we have had a very similar
conversation about recorded phone calls, and,
again, I guess I
would proceed with more caution than he would.
He says that he
understands that, but he certainly would be
acting against
advice, and I think against any lawyer's advice,
to make those
statements.
THE COURT: And what advantage, benefit, or
subject
area would these remarks be made or --
THE DEFENDANT: Are you asking me?
THE COURT: Well, before -- let me rephrase.
Before I feel comfortable considering the
idea that you
would be making statements on the record to
me, I want to first
generally understand what this -- what the
topic is. I don't
want the details, but the topic.
THE DEFENDANT: The topic is -- well, my lawyer
brought up the fact that we had differing
opinions to how to
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proceed.
THE COURT: Okay. So that's -- wait, wait.
Before
you get into the specifics --
THE DEFENDANT: Yes, sir.
THE COURT: -- that was a good description
of a
topic. Were there other topics, general ideas
about what it is
you wanted to say to me, other than -- in
addition to the --
THE DEFENDANT: Maybe one other topic. She
addressed
the potential for my competency to come into
question again, so
I just wanted to address those two things,
and that's all, and
I have just a very brief remark on each one
that I think that
will benefit the Court here today.
THE COURT: Well, as I understand the -- our
docket
report, that there was a finding --
THE DEFENDANT: That I'm competent, yes.
THE COURT: -- that defendant is found competent
to
stand trial based on the competency evaluation
and
representation of counsel.
THE DEFENDANT: That's my -- that's -- I want
to
proceed. I've -- just to bring you up to speed
--
THE COURT: Wait. I haven't agreed yet to take
your
statement on the record.
THE DEFENDANT: Okay. Okay.
THE COURT: And the reasons I want to be extra
cautious about you having -- saying something
that can end up
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biting you --
THE DEFENDANT: Okay.
THE COURT: -- in a way that you might not
--
THE DEFENDANT: I understand those rights,
Your Honor, and I will be very cautious not
to say anything
that violates my Fifth Amendment right or
anything like that.
THE COURT: But by saying -- by saying these
things,
you may very well be waiving your right to
remain silent.
THE DEFENDANT: I understand that anything
I say can
and will be used against me in a court of
law, and I
understand. I understand that. I just --
THE COURT: Do you understand that when -- when
somebody says that it be used against you,
that it can be used
by the prosecution, the government, in -- in
carrying its
burden of proof, the charges that it has levied
against you?
THE DEFENDANT: I understand that. Yes, Your
Honor.
THE COURT: And you understand that if you
were to be
found guilty based on anything that you say
today or at least
in part based on things you've said today,
that you could end
up spending quite a bit of time incarcerated,
in custody, if --
if found guilty and then sentenced by a judge?
THE DEFENDANT: I understand the ramifications,
Your Honor. Yes, sir.
I was just hoping to make a brief remark,
since we're of
differing opinions, that my own opinion can
be on the record
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here today as to what the issue is here, and
I think it's
necessary that we put -- that we put it on
the record, but I
won't be saying anything else to incriminate
myself.
THE COURT: Well, so this -- this also calls
into
question for me the -- the value of making
these statements on
the record. Is there a concern about whether
you want to keep
Ms. Winemiller on the case?
THE DEFENDANT: There is. There is now. Yes,
sir.
THE COURT: So the only thing that I might
consider
at this point is whether there's a motion
to withdraw. And if
that's the case, then I'm willing to entertain
information that
might relate to the request to withdraw.
THE DEFENDANT: There is a motion to withdraw.
THE COURT: Ms. Winemiller, were you aware
that that
was something that we would be possibly addressing
today?
THE DEFENDANT: I thought we were going to
ask to go
to trial today, and I know there's a deal
that is being hung
above this, and she's telling me, "If you
ask to go to trial,
Joseph's going to remove the deal." She says
it's a good deal.
I agree that it's a good deal, but I only
want to go to a jury
trial.
THE COURT: Okay. So -- so --
THE DEFENDANT: If Joseph wants to remove the
deal,
okay.
THE COURT: So let -- so --
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THE DEFENDANT: That doesn't mean I'm delusional.
THE COURT: Mr. Demming, I need you to hold
on a
minute.
THE DEFENDANT: It's my right to go to a jury
trial.
THE COURT: It is certainly your right to have
a
trial before a jury.
THE DEFENDANT: That's the only issue here,
so
what -- what's the issue, then?
THE COURT: Well, it's important for me, as
a judge
in the federal court, to ensure that everybody's
rights are
observed, everybody's rights are protected,
and sometimes even
protected from themselves. And I'm not suggesting
you are
doing anything to undermine your own rights,
but I'm also just
incredibly cautious, very, very -- I want
to be extremely
careful about walking down a path with a big
hole in it that
you end up falling into.
THE DEFENDANT: I appreciate that, Your Honor.
THE COURT: So here is what I would like you
to do,
and that is, is that if you decide that you
want to go forward,
as it sounds to me like you do --
THE DEFENDANT: I do.
THE COURT: -- go forward with the trial, a
trial
date won't be able to be set for a little
while now because it
will be tried in front of one of our district
judges, who will
have already a pretty full calendar, and I
imagine so for at
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least a couple of months.
What I want you to do is this: Take another
week. Talk
with your attorney about the pros and cons
of the approach that
you want to take. That one week does not appear
to me -- and,
Ms. Winemiller, you can tell me if you think
it might be the
case -- an additional week of talking isn't
going to compromise
or make it more difficult to get on the -- on
the trial judge's
calendar.
THE DEFENDANT: Your Honor, I have not seen
discovery
in this case, and I do not wish to entertain
any deal prior to
indictment and prior to being able to weigh
-- to weigh the
deal that I'm being offered against the discovery
that -- the
evidence held against me.
THE COURT: Okay.
THE DEFENDANT: I object to them dealing without
me
having this discovery yet. This is not a delusional
ascertation. This is my constitutional right
to a jury trial
and to see the evidence against me before
I agree or don't
agree to any deal.
I wish to remove Ms. Winemiller as my attorney
because she
is -- she -- that's all I said to her. Am
I delusional in my
opinion that I need to see discovery before
any deal?
THE COURT: Mr. Demming, I want to return to
-- I'm
sorry. Mr. Murphy.
THE DEFENDANT: Yes, sir.
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THE COURT: I apologize. I think I've been
referring
to you as "Mr. Demming" the last couple of
times.
THE DEFENDANT: Mr. Murphy. It's okay.
THE COURT: I wish I could call it as I'm blaming
it
on a long day, but (indiscernible.)
THE DEFENDANT: I don't need another week of
hearing
how great this deal is because I heard it
was great, and I only
want to see discovery first, but I don't even
-- I don't even
want a deal right now. I understand the ramifications
of the
deal. They sound pretty good, but my -- my
ascertation is I
have not been given an opportunity, although
I have asked this
Court and the prosecution and all my attorneys
-- now, she,
being my third attorney, that before I be
given a carrot, say
here -- here is this deal, but if you go and
try to go to jury
trial or if you even ask for indictment or
if you even ask to
see discovery, we're going to pull -- we're
going to pull the
deal. Because that's what I'm being told.
And what -- whatever how it works out, I'm
not prepared to
make a yes-or-no statement on a deal prior
to having received
discovery. I have the right, Your Honor Kasubhai,
to weigh the
evidence held against me versus any plea deal
or any
bargaining. Is that correct or not?
So -- so what's preceded so far is not delusional,
and her
ascertation that there is some potential delusionality
-- the
expert witnesses have already testified in
the case. And if we
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need to have a hearing, then let's bring them
on, but you've
read their report, and I could give you a
whole bunch of other
reports that say Thomas Robert Murphy does
not have a mental
illness and I am competent to stand trial.
I wish to file a motion to go pro se. And
I wish to file
a motion today, verbally, to remove or substitute
if you don't
agree to go pro se with me for different counsel
because I'm
not going to have a counsel that I can't get
discovery from
without saying yes or no to a deal that exists.
I don't think
that is good practice. I'm going to write
the Bar about
everybody involved in this because this is
bookhu. It's been a
year and nine months since I've been arrested,
and I need to
see discovery in this case. If I even want
to hear the deal,
it needs to be a written deal. Because when
she first met me,
I had not authorized her to make any deals.
The first time I
met Ms. Winemiller, she popped up and said,
"There might be a
good deal." Okay. It sounded all right.
THE COURT: Mr. Murphy, I want to stop you
there.
THE DEFENDANT: Okay.
THE COURT: You've given me quite a bit of
information there, and there's a lot to unpack.
THE DEFENDANT: I just want to put this on
track for
trial. I don't agree or --
THE COURT: So, Mr. Murphy, I do need you to
hold up
for a bit.
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THE DEFENDANT: Yes.
THE COURT: Let me finish my piece, and then
I think
we can finish up the afternoon.
All right. I think it would be correct to
say that if you
proceed, it's not so much Ms. Winemiller making
any decision
about -- about forcing this settlement, but
the government is
always in a position to withdraw its offer,
and that's
something that is just part of the negotiation.
If I allow Ms. Winemiller to withdraw based
on the request
today, it's going -- and if I -- and if we
end up appointing
counsel -- new counsel for you to go forward
with in trial, it
will add quite a bit more time to the time
frame in which you
can end up actually getting a trial underway
because there will
be another attorney that will need to get
up to speed. So I
want you to think on -- on that course of
action.
THE DEFENDANT: I would like to go pro se first
if --
THE COURT: And in order to go pro se, you
have to
convince a judge that you are knowingly and
voluntarily waiving
your right to have an attorney and to have
an attorney
represent you in a trial. And for a judge
to agree to that is
going to take a lot of convincing because
every single judge in
this courthouse is going to be as concerned
as I have been in
wanting to make sure that you don't -- you
don't do something
to deprive yourself of your own rights. That's,
first and
foremost, one of the important things --
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THE DEFENDANT: Pro se is my right, though.
THE COURT: -- that -- that judges want to
ensure
doesn't happen, that you give up your -- that
you somehow do
something that makes it difficult for your
rights to be
exercised.
So a judge may not end up agreeing with allowing
you to go
pro se and might end up appointing counsel
--
THE DEFENDANT: (Indiscernible.)
THE COURT: -- to either assist you or new
counsel to
represent you, all of which ends up adding
a lot more time.
And it goes back to what I have -- I'm going
to have -- have
you both do, which is come back on Wednesday
of next week.
MS. WINEMILLER: Your Honor, I have plans to
be out
of town all next week.
THE COURT: Okay. The following week. December
4th
it is. Are you available then?
MS. WINEMILLER: I am, Your Honor. And I would
at
some point like to finish what I was saying
before Mr. Murphy
interrupted me.
THE COURT: Go ahead, Ms. Winemiller.
MS. WINEMILLER: Your Honor, what I was going
to
propose is that we go out a couple of weeks
beyond that because
of the holidays, but that Mr. Huynh, also,
if -- let's say we
come back on December 30th -- I'm just picking
that date
arbitrarily because of the holidays. If we
have not resolved
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all of this, that -- and -- and I have told
Mr. Murphy that my
expectation is that we would have complete
discovery to go over
in advance of an indictment and in advance
of accepting any
proposal. We were trying to work out the details
of the
proposal to see whether it made sense to go
further in that
direction, but I have assured him that that
absolutely is
something that would happen. To go through
that discovery
portion takes some time as well. So what I
was hoping would
work all the way around is that we could continue
this to a
date somewhere around December 30th. I could
evaluate the
things I need to evaluate. I could finish
putting together
this proposal with Mr. Huynh, get the discovery,
go over it
with Mr. Murphy. If he doesn't want to take
it, Mr. Huynh
would come back to court on the 30th or the
31st with an
indictment, and it would be time to move forward,
as Mr. Murphy
would like to do.
THE COURT: Has Mr. Huynh indicated anything
about a
deadline by which a deal would need to be
accepted?
MS. WINEMILLER: He does not want to go past
the
indictment. So if he has to get an indictment,
that's the
deadline.
THE COURT: Okay. So whatever that point is.
MS. WINEMILLER: Right.
THE COURT: So there's no hard-and-fast deadline
that
he's given that says, "Take it or leave it,
otherwise we're
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done"?
Other -- other than the indictment --
MS. WINEMILLER: Except that I've agreed with
Mr. Murphy that I won't further waive speedy
trial. He has
been crystal clear about not wanting to do
that, and I
understand (indiscernible.)
THE COURT: So if no waiver of speedy trial
is
indicated today, then the government will
need to proceed with
an indictment?
MS. WINEMILLER: Mr. Huynh will need to go
to
Portland, get it indicted immediately, and
come back with an
indictment.
THE COURT: Which could happen within a week
or two?
MS. WINEMILLER: Right.
THE DEFENDANT: Can I say one final note?
THE COURT: Go ahead.
THE DEFENDANT: Because of the ascertation
here
today, I feel that my client -- or my own
attorney is
threatening me on this deal. I don't think
"threatening" is
the correct word, but she mentioned that she
doesn't understand
if I'm competent or not. I've actually only
met with her twice
and -- or talked with her on the phone once.
I met with her
once at Sheridan and once here today and talked
on the phone
with you, so --
MS. WINEMILLER: And the last appearance.
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THE DEFENDANT: And the last appearance. That's
correct.
Unfortunately, if my -- if my own attorney
cannot respect
the expert witness testimony in this case
that says that Thomas
Robert Murphy is competent --
THE COURT: So, Mr. Murphy, what I want to
--
THE DEFENDANT: -- then I don't authorize her
to work
on my case anymore because she does not have
my consent to work
on this case.
THE COURT: Mr. Murphy.
THE DEFENDANT: Yes, sir.
THE COURT: I would also observe that you have
had a
few other lawyers.
THE DEFENDANT: They have all testified on
my behalf
that I was competent, and they objected to
the competency
stuff.
THE COURT: I understand, but -- but the concern
and
the pattern that -- that I note is that you've
already had the
opportunity to have work with at least two
other lawyers, if
I'm not mistaken.
THE DEFENDANT: And I worked well with them.
They
testified to that, to the doctors, both Mark
and Susan did, and
they testified to you about that. So that
means that I'm just
tired of this medical stuff. It's done. I
don't have a mental
illness. I'm competent to stand trial.
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How many reports to doctors in courts do you
need to see
that say that, or can we just go with the
most current one?
Since it's been brought up here again today
and it's
hovering over against me as some type of repercussion
I could
face by not wanting to work this deal out
-- I don't want a
deal. I want a jury trial. I don't authorize
her on my case.
I don't consent to any more speedy trial waivers.
Okay?
What it is, is you guys are egregiously violating
my
rights. The marshals spent eight months to
get me there, and I
had lawyers come to court and talk to you
twice about how they
misfiled this paperwork and that paperwork.
How many cases do
you want to see where people were going to
Missouri -- that I
could give you today, where people were going
to Missouri for
some competency restoration and they were
delayed in getting
there and their cases were dropped under a
Speedy Trial Act?
I think my legal theories are sound, and all
I want to do
is go to a trial. I do not want a deal. And
if they want to
bring one up to me in writing, I'll look at
it, but not before
indictment, not before we're scheduled for
a trial, and not --
I do not want to take any deal before my Speedy
Trial Act
motions -- the four motions that I filed to
you. I mean, those
just disappeared into thin air.
What is this Court's excuse for not having
a -- or raising
a hearing for those motions that I filed?
THE COURT: Mr. Murphy, I've been very patient
and
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diligent in wanting to hear what you have
to say.
THE DEFENDANT: Yes, sir.
THE COURT: The point at which you crossed
the line
is accusing the Court of disregarding your
rights and your
positions.
THE DEFENDANT: I would like a finding on that.
THE COURT: Mr. Murphy, this is the time for
you to
now listen.
THE DEFENDANT: Okay.
THE COURT: What I hear you saying is that
you want
to proceed with trial and that you are not
interested in
waiving your speedy trial rights.
THE DEFENDANT: I --
THE COURT: These are yes-or-no question -- answers.
Is that right?
THE DEFENDANT: That's correct, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay. And I further understand
that you
are asking this Court to allow Ms. Winemiller
to withdraw as
your attorney.
THE DEFENDANT: I wish and I do not consent
to her
working on my case anymore. Either I wish
for a pro se hearing
and I can just remain without an attorney
until then, and if I
don't get pro se, I understand that (indiscernible.)
THE COURT: Keep in mind, Mr. Murphy, the questions
are really just simply calling for a simple
confirmation of --
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THE DEFENDANT: Yes, Your Honor.
THE COURT: -- of my summary of what I have
understood you to say. And if I'm wrong in
my summary, then
tell me that I'm wrong in my summary, and
I want to make sure I
understand.
THE DEFENDANT: Okay.
THE COURT: All right. So you do not want
Ms. Winemiller to represent you any longer?
THE DEFENDANT: No, sir.
THE COURT: In any capacity?
THE DEFENDANT: In any capacity.
THE COURT: And --
THE DEFENDANT: We have not had one good
conversation.
THE COURT: And you understand that if I allow
Ms. Winemiller to withdraw and appoint other
counsel, because I
am not inclined at this time to allow you
to proceed pro se --
THE DEFENDANT: Okay.
THE COURT: -- that once somebody is appointed
-- a
new attorney -- it will take time to set the
trial date, and it
might very well require and might very well
involve an
exception to setting the trial under the -- that's
under the
Speedy Trial Act.
THE DEFENDANT: I understand that, Your Honor.
THE COURT: That means it would extend beyond
that
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minimum amount of time that you would otherwise
have a right to
get the trial set in.
THE DEFENDANT: I understand this would cause
some
delay. Yes, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay. And, Ms. Winemiller, I don't
know
if you ended up finishing what it was you
were saying, but if
there was something else you needed me to
be aware of with
respect to the motion to withdraw, I'm happy
to consider it.
MS. WINEMILLER: I -- I don't think so, Your
Honor.
I would describe our meetings as being good,
constructive
exchanges. So I -- I would disagree with that
characterization, but I think that that also
causes me some
concern about whether my perception of what
is happening
matches with his.
THE COURT: Based on the representations and
my
conversation with Mr. -- Mr. Murphy, I find
that he's provided
very clear, articulate descriptions of his
desires and his
interests. He appears to understand very well
what it is that
I've shared that are the disadvantages of
proceeding in the way
that he's asking to proceed; understands the
consequences,
including delay; and understands that if -- if
he proceeds in
this way and I allow the withdrawal, that
it is highly likely,
if not absolutely certain, that the government
will proceed
with an indictment and there may not be any
opportunity to
resolve this case prior to trial.
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THE DEFENDANT: That's my understanding. Yes,
Your Honor.
THE COURT: And are you sure that's how you
wish to
proceed?
THE DEFENDANT: That's how I wish to proceed.
THE COURT: Do you think that there's any other
inquiry that I need to make, Ms. Winemiller,
to ensure that the
record is accurate and complete?
MS. WINEMILLER: No, Your Honor. I think that
was
thorough.
THE COURT: All right. Mr. Murphy, based on
your
requests in my -- in my discussion with you,
I find that I
will -- I will grant the request for Ms. Winemiller
to
withdraw -- your request that Winemiller withdraw
--
Ms. Winemiller withdraw as your attorney.
I am going to order
appointment of counsel.
THE DEFENDANT: Okay.
THE COURT: And once that order is issued,
counsel
will contact you, and you may have that conversation
and then
proceed with whatever trial preparation that
you may need.
Please keep in mind there is not an unlimited
grant of new
lawyers. It is highly unlikely -- very unlikely
that I'll
appoint another attorney for you.
THE DEFENDANT: Okay. I just want to say thank
you,
Your Honor. I agree with your decisions, and
I understand them
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in full.
THE COURT: Can we get Mr. Huynh in?
(Government counsel present.)
THE COURT: Mr. Huynh, thank you for your patience.
During the ex parte matter that we took up,
which was, in
essence, (indiscernible) by the Court and
addressed by the
Court as a motion to withdraw, I have allowed
Ms. Winemiller to
withdraw.
MR. HUYNH: Okay.
THE COURT: I further understand that there
are -- I
further understand, and correct me if I'm
wrong, Mr. Murphy,
that you are not waiving your speedy -- your
rights under the
Speedy Trial Act.
THE DEFENDANT: No, Your Honor, I am not.
THE COURT: So you -- you have your understandings
of
how to proceed, then, Mr. Huynh?
MR. HUYNH: Yes, Your Honor. I believe you
excluded
45 days at the last hearing on October -- oh,
I'll just go to
the file. October 16th. That gives us to the
end of this
month. So he'll be indicted -- I'll have to
go to Portland and
indict him next week because today was our
grand jury day here
in Eugene. We had anticipated something else
happening today,
so if we can set this over for a status? I
understand the 27th
might be available of next week.
THE COURT: Will you be able to indict before
the
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MR. HUYNH: I will try. I haven't inquired
yet,
Your Honor. I learned about this as I came
into court.
THE COURT: Why don't we set the status and
-- and
arraignment for the 27th.
MR. HUYNH: If I have an issue that needs to
be
pushed back a couple of days, I'll let the
Court know.
THE COURT: Yes. And then we'll have -- what?
Monday. What's Monday of not this week but
the following week?
MS. WINEMILLER: 30th, I think.
THE COURT: Is it the 30th?
MS. WINEMILLER: No, no.
MR. HUYNH: No, no. 27th is the Wednesday.
THE COURT: Then the week after -- the Monday
after
that. Okay.
So we would need to address this before the
end of the
month --
MR. HUYNH: Correct, Your Honor.
THE COURT: -- in order to comply with the
amount of
time that has been excluded.
MR. HUYNH: Which is why we anticipate by the
end of
next week having indicted this defendant.
THE COURT: Okay. So it's just that the Court
tends
to be closed on Wednesday -- I mean, excuse
me, Thursday and
Friday.
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MR. HUYNH: Oh, okay.
THE COURT: So --
MR. HUYNH: With that in mind, Your Honor --
THE COURT: Maybe not tends to be closed. I
mean
I -- I understand the court is closed, so
I think, under those
circumstances, it would be difficult to secure
an arraignment,
but if you --
MR. HUYNH: We will do what we can, given the
circumstances. I, again, found out just before
coming into
court, so we'll adjust.
THE COURT: Okay. And so what we will do is
set the
date -- we'll set a date now for arraignment
and a status on
Wednesday of next week, the 27th. If you are
able to secure
the indictment before then --
MR. HUYNH: Yeah.
THE COURT: -- then you can do that.
MR. HUYNH: Yes, Your Honor. You'll probably,
either
way, have to get some kind of counsel for
defendant, so --
THE COURT: Right.
MR. HUYNH: If you want to just ask for counsel
either way on the 27th.
THE COURT: Right. So, yeah, we're going to
have --
we're going to have a hearing, a status conference.
We're
going to have a conference and/or arraignment.
Let's just
clarify that.
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MR. HUYNH: Yes, Your Honor.
THE COURT: This coming Wednesday. A week from
today.
MR. HUYNH: Yes, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay. Thank you very much.
DEPUTY COURTROOM CLERK: Arraignment and status
conference are set for November 27, 2019,
at 2:00 p.m., before
Judge Kasubhai.
This court is adjourned.
(FTR-recorded hearing concluded.)
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C E R T I F I C A T E
United States of America v. Thomas Robert
Murphy
6:19-cr-00530-AA
STATUS CONFERENCE
November 20, 2019
I certify, by signing below, that the foregoing
is a
true and correct transcript of the record,
taken by
stenographic means, of the FTR-recorded proceedings
in the
above-entitled cause. Where (indiscernible)
has been
indicated, the audio file was unable to be
heard due to
simultaneous crosstalk, fast speaking, mumbling,
or other room
noises overriding what was being said. A transcript
without an
original signature, conformed signature, or
digitally signed
signature is not certified.
/s/Jill L. Jessup, CSR, RMR, RDR, CRR, CRC
_____________________________________________
Transcriber/Official Court Reporter Signature
Date: 3/11/2020
Oregon CSR No. 98-0346 CSR Expiration Date:
9/30/2020
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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF OREGON
EUGENE DIVISION
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, )
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Plaintiff, ) Case No. 6:19-cr-00530-AA
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v. )
) March 27, 2019
THOMAS ROBERT MURPHY, )
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Defendant. ) Portland, Oregon
________________________________)
STATUS CONFERENCE
TRANSCRIPT OF FTR-RECORDED PROCEEDINGS
BEFORE THE HONORABLE THOMAS M. COFFIN
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT MAGISTRATE JUDGE
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APPEARANCES
FOR THE PLAINTIFF:
GAVIN W. BRUCE
United States Attorney's Office
405 E. 8th Avenue
Suite 2400
Eugene, OR 97401
FOR THE DEFENDANT:
CRAIG E. WEINERMAN
Federal Public Defender's Office
859 Willamette Street
Suite 200
Eugene, OR 97401
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TRANSCRIPT OF FTR-RECORDED PROCEEDINGS
(March 27, 2019)
(In open court:)
DEPUTY COURTROOM CLERK: Magistrate Case No.
18-00033
United States of America v. Thomas Robert
Murphy for a status
conference.
MR. WEINERMAN: Craig Weinerman present for
Susan Russell on behalf of Thomas Murphy,
who is not
president -- not present.
So, Judge, the background in this case is
that Mr. Murphy
was found to be incompetent. I'm not sure
if it was you or
Judge Kasubhai, and he was committed to the
custody of the
attorney general for competency restoration.
This was back, I
believe -- the Court has the file, so maybe
the Court can
(indiscernible) quite a long time, Your Honor.
I believe last
summer. And, unfortunately, he got lost in
the system. That's
the only way I can describe it, and he wound
up waiting for an
inordinate period of time in Pahrump, Nevada,
which is a county
jail where the marshals have a contract to
hold people.
So to make a long story short, he just arrived,
on
March 21st, at the federal medical facility
in Springfield,
Missouri, for competency restoration. So time
is going to be
needed to determine his competency. So I think
additional time
is required. We do want the record to reflect
that we are not
waiving his rights under the Speedy Trial
Act but would
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acknowledge that the Court could exclude some
time based on
18 U.S.C. § 3151(a) and (f), which are proceedings
relating to
competency and restoration of competency.
THE COURT: Very well. I -- how many days?
MR. WEINERMAN: Well, Judge, I believe -- and
I don't
have the order in front of me, but I believe
competency
restoration, if you order that, that I think
the magistrate
judge has signed with the government, 120
days.
THE COURT: Very well.
MR. WEINERMAN: I think it should be 120 days.
THE COURT: All right. We'll exclude 120 days.
Yeah, apparently, that was Judge Kasubhai.
MR. WEINERMAN: I don't know if the Court has
the
order in front of you that might tell us (indiscernible.)
THE COURT: I don't. The only thing I have
is an
order on March 12th of this year --
MR. WEINERMAN: Yeah. And I --
THE COURT: -- resetting the motion for a status
conference.
So apparently -- did these proceedings take
place in '18?
2018? 2018?
MR. WEINERMAN: Yeah, I think --
THE COURT: It's not reflected -- oh, here
it is.
I'm not finding it.
MR. BRUCE: The minutes -- Your Honor, Gavin
Bruce
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for the United States.
THE COURT: So --
MR. BRUCE: The minutes of that proceeding
show they
ordered four months allowed from March 7,
2019, for
restoration.
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. WEINERMAN: As the Court can see, it's
a year
later, and he's just arriving at the federal
medical center.
THE COURT: And there's no explanation?
MR. WEINERMAN: Your Honor, I stand corrected.
That
order is from 3/7/19, but he has been -- I
think was ordered to
go to the federal medical center much earlier;
but, you know,
the record is what the record is. So, you
know, we'll look
into that (indiscernible) but, you know, Mr.
Murphy is one of
the individuals who got stuck in Pahrump Nevada,
for a
significant period of time. There may have
been a preceding
order. I don't want to make this too complicated.
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. WEINERMAN: We're fine with the Court excluding
time under the provision for competency proceedings,
but not in
the interest of justice, because I think the
initial raised
(indiscernible.)
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. BRUCE: And, Your Honor, for the record,
we just
ask that whatever minute order -- or order
does come out of
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this, that it does reflect the excludable
time under those
provisions that apply.
THE COURT: Right.
MR. BRUCE: Mr. Weinerman --
THE COURT: Apparently, it was Judge Russo
that
issued the order, and that was back in February
of 2018.
All right. Thank you.
DEPUTY COURTROOM CLERK: Status conference
is set for
July 24, 2019, at 1:30 p.m., before Judge
Kasubhai.
MR. WEINERMAN: I think we should waive his
appearance because my instincts tell me that
they would not be
done with the competency restoration process
by then.
THE COURT: Okay. Very well. We'll waive it.
MR. WEINERMAN: Okay.
(FTR-recorded hearing concluded.)
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C E R T I F I C A T E
United States of America v. Thomas Robert
Murphy
6:19-cr-00530-AA
STATUS CONFERENCE
March 27, 2019
I certify, by signing below, that the foregoing
is a
true and correct transcript of the record,
taken by
stenographic means, of the FTR-recorded proceedings
in the
above-entitled cause. Where (indiscernible)
has been
indicated, the audio file was unable to be
heard due to
simultaneous crosstalk, fast speaking, mumbling,
or other room
noises overriding what was being said. A transcript
without an
original signature, conformed signature, or
digitally signed
signature is not certified.
/s/Jill L. Jessup, CSR, RMR, RDR, CRR, CRC
_____________________________________________
Transcriber/Official Court Reporter Signature
Date: 3/11/2020
Oregon CSR No. 98-0346 CSR Expiration Date:
9/30/2020
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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF OREGON
EUGENE DIVISION
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, )
)
Plaintiff, ) Case No. 6:19-cr-00530-AA
)
v. )
) July 17, 2019
THOMAS ROBERT MURPHY, )
)
Defendant. ) Portland, Oregon
________________________________)
STATUS CONFERENCE
TRANSCRIPT OF FTR-RECORDED PROCEEDINGS
BEFORE THE HONORABLE MUSTAFA T. KASUBHAI
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT MAGISTRATE JUDGE
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APPEARANCES
FOR THE PLAINTIFF:
JOSEPH HUYNH
United States Attorney's Office
405 E. 8th Avenue
Suite 2400
Eugene, OR 97401
FOR THE DEFENDANT:
IRINA HUGHES
Federal Public Defender's Office
859 Willamette Street
Suite 200
Eugene, OR 97401
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(In open court:)
DEPUTY COURTROOM CLERK: Magistrate case 18-00033
United States of America v. Thomas Robert
Murphy for a status
conference.
THE COURT: Do we have anyone in the back for
the
defense? It's on Thomas Robert Murphy. Susan
Russell and
Mark Weintraub are on record.
MS. HUGHES: I mean, I can stand in for somebody.
I
have no idea what the case is about.
MR. HUYNH: I can give an update to the Court,
then.
It's --
THE COURT: Is it Ms. Russell's case?
MR. HUYNH: It is Ms. Russell's case.
Mr. Weintraub, I believe, is retired from
your office.
MS. HUGHES: Yes, he definitely is retired.
His
badge is inactive, so he doesn't have to come
to court.
MR. HUYNH: I don't know how definitely retired
he
is, but I understand he's retired.
So this is a case involving -- just for Ms.
Hughes'
education, this involves an individual who's
currently on
restoration proceedings over in Springfield
as a result of
threats made regarding the President.
A competency hearing was held before Judge
Russo, and he
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was ordered for restoration proceedings. He
arrived in
Springfield on --
MS. HUGHES: The current President or any former
President?
MR. HUYNH: Current.
MS. HUGHES: Oh.
MR. HUYNH: He arrived on March 21, 2019, according
to a letter that was sent to Judge Russo.
I just got a copy of
this letter this morning. I didn't know this
letter was even
sent. Thus, I have been told that they are
doing a final
evaluation of him on Friday and then require
three weeks to do
the report writing, so --
THE COURT: So they've come up on -- they're
coming
pretty darn close to the four months.
MR. HUYNH: For the four months, in terms of
the
restoration examination and treatment. So
I think that, in the
abundance of caution -- and I have talked
to the doctors who
gave this information -- we should just continue
this an
additional month, allowing them -- in case
they need to see him
again, for some reason, if something falls
through on Friday --
an additional month for any examination. And
hopefully that
will give them the time to write their report
to give to the
Court and the parties. So that would be the
recommendation
from the government, is continue it another
30 days for
proceedings, examination, and then a status
so the report can
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be provided to the parties.
MS. HUGHES: Is there any indication as to
if he's
restorable, or we don't know?
MR. HUYNH: I don't know. We don't have the
report.
MS. HUGHES: Okay.
MR. HUYNH: We haven't done the final examination
yet.
MS. HUGHES: I see.
I think, by statute, they are allowed to have
additional
time, if I'm not mistaken. I haven't looked
at that statute in
a while, but I don't have an objection.
THE COURT: All right. 30 days are excluded
in the
interest of justice, specifically because
there is some
additional time necessary to complete the
reports, complete the
file examination, and another 30 days will
be adequate and
appropriate for us to check in to make sure
that Mr. Murphy --
Mr. Murphy's status is in a restorative state,
or not, and go
ahead and proceed from there.
MR. HUYNH: And I'll follow up with them. If
they
require anything further, I'll make sure to
communicate that to
the Court.
THE COURT: Very good. Thank you.
And Mr. Murphy's presence is waived.
MS. HUGHES: Sure.
THE COURT: Thank you.
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MR. HUYNH: As well as Ms. Hughes' presence,
if it
could be waived as well.
DEPUTY COURTROOM CLERK: Status conference
is set for
August 14, 2019, at 1:30 p.m., before Judge
Kasubhai.
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C E R T I F I C A T E
United States of America v. Thomas Robert
Murphy
6:19-cr-00530-AA
STATUS CONFERENCE
July 17, 2019
I certify, by signing below, that the foregoing
is a
true and correct transcript of the record,
taken by
stenographic means, of the FTR-recorded proceedings
in the
above-entitled cause. Where (indiscernible)
has been
indicated, the audio file was unable to be
heard due to
simultaneous crosstalk, fast speaking, mumbling,
or other room
noises overriding what was being said. A transcript
without an
original signature, conformed signature, or
digitally signed
signature is not certified.
/s/Jill L. Jessup, CSR, RMR, RDR, CRR, CRC
_____________________________________________
Transcriber/Official Court Reporter Signature
Date: 3/11/2020
Oregon CSR No. 98-0346 CSR Expiration Date:
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PRO SE MOTION Page 1
TO DISMISS INDICTMENT
BILLY J. WILLIAMS, OSB #901366
United States Attorney
District of Oregon
JOSEPH H. HUYNH
Assistant United States Attorney
Joseph.Huynh@usdoj.gov
405 East 8th Ave., Suite 2400
Eugene, Oregon 97401-2708
Telephone: (541) 465-6771
Attorneys for the United States of America
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF OREGON
Defendant Murphy was found incompetent and
transported for restoration proceedings.
Now he seeks to dismiss the indictment for
violations of the Speedy Trial Act. But, there
is no
Speedy Trial Act (STA) violation in this case.
The STA, 18 U.S.C. § 3161, excludes the time
for
determining a Defendant’s competency and
for delays while Defendant is incompetent.
Defendant had a right to be indicted within
30 days and at most 7 nonexcludable days elapsed
before he was indicted for making threats.
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
v.
THOMAS ROBERT MURPHY,
Defendant.
Case No. 6:19-CR-00530-AA
GOVERNMENT’S RESPONSE TO
DEFENDANT’S PRO SEMOTION
TO DISMISS INDICTMENT
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I. BACKGROUND
A. Defendant’s Threats
On January 10, 2018, Defendant posted from
his Twitter account of @thenotepadalien,
“Donald J. Trump will be terminated on March
7th, 2018 by my hand. Lucifer.” On that
same
day, Defendant posted from his Google+ account,
“March 7th, 2018 Donald J. Trump will get
shot in the face, head, and foot. Dead, and
gone forever.” (ECF No. 1).
On January 13, 2018, the Twitter account of
@thenotepadalien also posted, “What I’ll
do
is kill secret service agents, liked I’ve
been. You can’t stop me. YOU”RE THE ONES!
TOMMY!” (DE 1).
Law enforcement contacted Defendant on February
9, 2018, at his residence in
Springfield, OR. During this contact, Defendant
began to swear at the officers and became
very
confrontational. Defendant eventually demanded
the law enforcement officers to leave, which
they did. As the agents were leaving the premises,
Defendant continued his aggressive behavior,
which included yelling expletive laced comments,
squealing like a pig, and coming in close
proximity while hunching his shoulders and
clenching his fists. Defendant then stated
that
agents should communicate with him via e-mail
and provided his e-mail address as
thenotepadalien@gmail.com. (ECF No. 1).
On or about February 8, 2018, Defendant posted
on his Google+ the name of the secret
service agents who approached him along with
an article about Donald Trump on Twitter that
included a survey that allows individuals
to vote for “Kill ‘em” or “Kill ‘em
all!” (ECF No. 1).
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On February 15, 2018, Defendant was charged
by complaint with making threats against
the President and use of interstate communications
to communicate a threat. (ECF No. 1). He
was arrested on February 16, 2018, pursuant
to an arrest warrant. (ECF No. 5).
B. Defendant’s Competency is at Issue
On February 16, 2018, Defendant first appeared
before a magistrate judge on the
complaint. (ECF No. 6). He was ordered detained.
(ECF No. 7). Seven days later, on February
23, 2018, at the scheduled preliminary examination
hearing, the Government filed a written
motion and in open court moved for a competency
examination.1 (ECF No. 9, 10). The court
granted the Government’s motion for a competency
examination and on February 26, 2018,
ordered Defendant be examined both for competency
and for insanity at the time of the offense.
(ECF No. 10, 13). With Defendant present,
defense counsel also explicitly waived the
preliminary hearing and 90 days under the
Speedy Trial Act for the presentation of this
case to
the grand jury to allow for the competency
examination. (ECF No. 10).
Defendant arrived at SeaTac for psychological
evaluation less than a month later, on
March 21, 2108. On May 18, 2018, Dr. Ryan
Nybo, a psychologist at the Federal Detention
Center in Seatac, WA, provided a report to
the court finding that Defendant was incompetent
to
stand trial as a result of schizophrenic delusional
beliefs that prevented him from properly
assisting in his own defense. Defendant’s
beliefs included that a “60 day no convict
rule”
existed, that Google should be a co-defendant,
and that he retained a private lawyer from
New
1 Defendant’s criminal history included
an April 2014 arrest and a guilt except for
insanity
conviction for insanity for 2 counts of attempt
to commit a crime – felony murder. He was
released from Oregon State hospital in March
2017.
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York City to represent him pending certification
to practice federally who “does everything
I
say.” Defendant stated that he had little
confidence in his public defender.
On May 23, 2018, counsel appeared at a status
conference and set a contested
competency for June 27, 2018, with Defendant
present. Defense counsel waiving an additional
45 days under the Speedy Trial Act for the
contested competency hearing. (ECF No. 16).
The competency hearing was ultimately held
on July 17, 2018. Both Dr. Nybo and the
Defendant testified. Magistrate Judge Russo
issued a written order finding the Defendant
incompetent and directed him to be committed
to the custody of the Attorney General for
restoration proceedings. (ECF No. 18, 19).
At the request of Defense counsel, the Court
also set
change of plea and sentencing on December
12, 2018, instead of another status hearing.
(ECF
No. 18).
Instead of a plea and sentencing, though,
a status conference was set for November 19,
2018. (ECF No. 21). At this status hearing,
the Court was informed that a bed was not
yet
available for Defendant. Given the fact that
Defendant had not yet begun restoration
proceedings, a status conference was set for
March 13, 2019. Defense counsel waived another
120 days under the Speedy Trial Act.
In January 2015, new counsel was appointed
and an additional continuance was granted
to allow Defendant to be transported. On March
27, 2019, at a status hearing, the parties
informed the Court that Defendant had arrived
at the U.S. Medical Center for Federal Prisoners
in Springfield, Missouri, on March 21, 2019.
(ECF Nos. 30, 31). At that time, defense counsel
waived an additional 120 days under the STA
to allow Defendant to undergo restoration
proceedings. (ECF No. 31).
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The next status conference was held on July
17, 2019, and defense counsel once again
waived an additional 30 days under the STA
for the competency restoration proceedings
to be
completed. (ECF No. 33).
On August 1, 2019, Ashley Christiansen, a
BOP psychiatrist who evaluated Defendant
during the restoration process, provided a
report to the Court in which she concluded
that
Defendant had a history of psychotic symptoms,
disruptive behaviors, and maladaptive
personality functioning but at present, appeared
stable. Thus, defendant was competent to stand
trial in this case.
On August 14, 2019, new counsel was appointed
once again and at the next status
conference, waived an additional 60 days under
the STA. (ECF Nos. 34, 38). On October 1,
2019, the Magistrate Judge found Defendant
to be competent to stand trial. With Defendant
present, Defense counsel waived an additional
45 days under the STA and set a status conference
for November 20, 2019. (ECF No. 40).
However, at the November 20, 2019, status
conference, Defendant requested an ex parte
hearing and requested new counsel. At that
time and without any counsel, Defendant refused
to
waive additional time. (ECF No. 41). The Government
indicted him the next day. (ECF No.
44).
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II. ARGUMENT
1. No Speedy Trial Act Violation
The Government indicted Defendant within the
time provided by the STA. Defendant’s
complaints about delays in transportation
for competency proceedings do not amount to
a STA
violation.
The Sixth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
guarantees that in all criminal
prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the
right to a speedy and public trial. U.S. Const.
amend
VI. Congress enacted the STA to codify that
constitutional guarantee by setting specific
time
limits for both indicting and trying a defendant.
In this case, the time at issue is the time
to
indictment. Under the STA, any information
or indictment charging an individual with
the
commission of an offense shall be filed within
thirty days from the date on which such individual
was arrested. 18 U.S.C. § 3161(b).
However, the STA also provides certain periods
of time that are “excludable” for the
purposes of calculating the time within which
the Government must file the indictment. Three
manners of excludable time are relevant in
this case. First, the STA clearly states that
any period
of delay resulting from other proceedings
concerning the defendant including but not
limited to
delay resulting from any proceeding, including
any examinations, to determine the mental
competency of the defendant shall be excluded.
18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(1)(A). Second, Section
3161(h)(4) also excludes any period of delay
resulting from the absence or unavailability
of the
defendant resulting from the fact that the
defendant is mentally incompetent to stand
trial. 18
U.S.C. § 3161(h)(4). And finally, time is
excluded when a court finds that the ends
of justice are
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served by taking such action outweigh the
best interests of the public and the defendant
in a
speedy trial. 18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(7)(A).
Under the STA and these exclusions of time
provisions, the vast majority of the delay
in
indicting the Defendant is excluded from the
Speedy Trial clock. Defendant was arrested
on
February 16, 2018. Seven days later, the Government’s
motion for a competency evaluation and
the defense motion for an evaluation of insanity
defense by Defense counsel, was granted on
February 23, 2018. At that point, only seven
days on the Speedy Trial had lapsed.
Defendant was then subject to a period of
examination and determination of his
competency from February 23, 2018 to July
17, 2018. This time is excludable for different
reasons. First, Defense counsel waived that
time on February 23, 2018, with Defendant
present,
they agreed to waive 90 days for the examination
to occur, again on May 23, 2018, when
Defense counsel waived an additional 45 days
under the STA, and lastly on June 27, 2018,
when
Defense counsel waived 35 days under the STA
for the matter of competency to be resolved
at a
competency hearing set for July 17, 2018.
Thus, that time is excluded by Defendant’s
own
waiver of time under the STA.
But moreover, it is automatically excluded
under 18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(1)(A). It clearly
constitutes a period of delay resulting from
other proceedings to determine the mental
competency of the Defendant. That determination
was not done until the July 17, 2018,
competency hearing when the Court found the
Defendant to be incompetent to stand trial.
Thus,
that time is excluded from the Speedy Trial
clock.
Defendant does not refute this. Instead, he
appears to argue that the time it took to
transport him for restoration proceedings
after the July 17, 2018, hearing up to until
he arrived at
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the Springfield, Missouri, facility for restoration
proceedings on March 21, 2019, is an
unreasonable transport delay under 18 U.S.C.
§ 3161(h)(1)(F) of the STA and therefore
not
subject to exclusion.2 (Def.’s Mot. at 4,
10-11). Defendant’s argument that any transportation
time exceeding 10 days is unreasonable. (Def’s
Mot. at 10-11).
However, this argument is foreclosed in the
Ninth Circuit. See United States v. Romero,
833 F.3d 1151 (9th Cir. 2016). In Romero,
the defendant argued that an unexplained threemonth
delay from when he was found incompetent and
to when he was transported to a
restoration facility was an unreasonable delay
under 18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(1)(F). The Ninth
Circuit rejected this argument declaring that
the entire period between the date a defendant
is
found incompetent and the date the court determined
his competency has been restored was
excludable under Section 3181(h)(4). Id. at
1154. Specifically, it noted that the transportation
exclusion of Section 3161(h)(1)(F) does not
trump the requirement that the time be excluded
under 3161(h)(4). It declared that “on its
face, this provision is absolute; any period
during which
a trial cannot commence because of a defendant’s
incompetence must be excluded.” Id. It
concluded that the STA “unambiguously requires
the exclusion of all time during which a
defendant is incompetent to stand trial.”
Id. at 1155. The Ninth Circuit went further
to state that
“other delays that may or may not occur
during a period of incompetence are irrelevant
to the
Speedy Trial Act calculation; they cannot
change the statutory bottom-line.” See also
United
States v. Vasquez, 918 F.2d at 333 (finding
that a delay due to an administrative error
in
2 Defendant also alleges in his pro se motion
that his period of competency examination
and
restoration constituted “torture” and
subjected him to constant and unneeded transport
and duress
and claims he was mistreated while in the
custody as a result of solitary confinement
and general
lack of facilities in the prisons. The Government
rejects these arguments but does not address
them as they are not relevant to the calculation
of the speedy trial clock in his case.
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transferring a defendant to the examination
facility was still excludable under 3161(a)(1)(A)
because “delays arising from mental competency
examinations … are excludable form the
running of the speedy trial clock, without
inquiry into the reasonableness of the delay.”);
but see
United States v. Williams, 2019 WL 1030069
(3d Cir.). Thus, the entire period from July
17,
2018, to the Court finding Defendant competent
on October 16, 2019,3 including the period
in
which Defendant seeks time to be counted against
the Speedy Trial clock, are automatically
excluded and Section 3161(h)(1)(f)’s provisions
regarding transportation does not apply. 4
Id.
The period of time after the October 16, 2019,
status conference in which the Court found
him competent is also excluded under the STA.
Time can be excluded when a court finds that
the ends of justice are served by taking such
action outweigh the best interests of the
public and
the defendant in a speedy trial. 18 U.S.C.
§ 3161(h)(7)(A). At the October 16, 2019,
status
conference where Defendant was present, his
recently appointed defense counsel waived
an
additional 45 days under the Speedy Trial
Act for presentation of this matter to the
grand jury to
3 Of note, during this 465 days in which he
was being processed, transported, and restored
to
competency, defense counsel waived 330 days
under the Speedy Trial Act on the record which
the court found appropriate in the interest
of justice. Defendant claims he received ineffective
assistance of counsel and implies he was not
consulted about these waivers. The Government
cannot opine as to the attorney-client relationship.
Nonetheless, the claim is irrelevant to the
issue as this time in which he is incompetent
is automatically excluded under the STA.
4 The legislative history behind 3161(h)(1)(F)
supports this. The ten-day transportation
rule
grew out of a Congressional desire that marshals
not delay the transport of prisoners for
economic reasons, such as waiting for more
prisoners to be assembled before incurring
the cost
of moving them. The provisions were aimed
at the actual process of transportation, not
clerical
errors that occurred during competency proceedings.
See US v. Gross, 2011 WL5348237 at 3.
The statues are distinguishable as one relates
to the complex nature of competency proceedings
and the other transportation in general. Thus,
the reasonableness standard under 3161(h)(1)(F)
of the delay is not applicable to competency
proceedings.
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continue its investigation. The Court specifically
found on the record that the ends of justice
was
served by granting that continuance. (ECF
No. 40).
However, at his November 20, 2019, status
conference, Defendant was granted yet
another attorney in his case. This time, he
refused to waive additional time under the
STA. The
Government indicted him the next day with
only 36 days having passed since Defendant
was
found competent to stand trial all of which
Defendant explicitly waived and was excluded
in the
interest of justice.
Consequently, at most 7 days has lapsed under
the Speedy Trial Act that have not been
automatically excluded or waived by Defendant
and excluded in the interest of justice – far
less
than the 30 days required under the STA. Thus,
no violation of the STA occurred.
2. The Indictment Properly Alleges Criminal
Acts by Defendant
Defendant also argues the indictment, which
charges him with threatening the President
on or about January 10, 2018, in violation
of 18 U.S.C. § 871 and making interstate
threats in
violation of 18 U.S.C. § 875(c), fails to
state a claim. His precise argument is unclear;
his
motion claims that the indictment “(a) fails
to allege that he defendant had knowledge
that ‘any
accuser’ was a witness in a proceeding in
a court of the United States and that the
defendant had
knowledge of such proceedings; (c) [sic] failing
to set forth threats and (d) [sic] failing
to allege
they were uttered in the presence of other
persons. [Def’s Mot. At 25]. Regardless
of his precise
claims, Defendant’s challenge to the indictment,
which tracks the statutory language, fails.
An
indictment that is valid on its face will
not be dismissed “absent a showing that
the government
flagrantly manipulated, overreached, or deceived
the jury.” United States v. DeLuca, 692
F.2d
1277, 1280 (9th Cir. 1982).
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An indictment need only contain those facts
and elements of the alleged offense
necessary to inform the accused of the charge
so that he or she may prepare a defense and
invoke
the Double Jeopardy Clause when appropriate.
When considering a challenge to the indictment,
courts look to the indictment itself to determine
if it states an offense. United States v.
Critzer,
951 F.2d 306, 307-08 (11th Cir. 1992) (per
curiam)(in analyzing motion to dismiss indictment
for insufficiency, court should look only
at face of indictment, not facts government
expects to
prove). Only indictments that fail to state
a material element of the offense are subject
to
dismissal. The indictment here is valid on
its face and that is sufficient to proceed
to trial.
DeLuca, 692 F.2d at 1280; see also Costello
v. United States, 350 U.S. 359, 363 (1956).
Defendant is well aware of the charges against
him and the fact that the indictment
outlines them -- this Court instructed the
Defendant during the Faretta hearing regarding
the
elements of the offenses. For the charge of
threats against the President, in violation
of 18
U.S.C. § 871, the elements are: first, that
the defendant intentionally threatened either
in writing
or orally to kill, injury or kidnap the president
of the United States; and, second, under the
circumstances in which the threat was made,
a reasonable person would foresee that it
would be
understood by persons hearing or reading it
as a serious expression of an intention to
kill, injure
or kidnap the President of the United States.
See United States v. Cassel, 408 F.3d 622,
626 (9th
Cir. 2005); United States v. Hanna, 293 F.3d
1080, 1084 (9th Cir. 2002); Roy v. United
States,
416 F.2d 874, 876 (9th Cir. 1969); see also
Watts v. United States, 394 U.S. 705, 707
(1969).
Count One of the indictment alleges that the
Defendant made two threats on January 10,
2018,
towards the President. More specifically,
it charges him with knowingly and willfully
making a
threat to take the life of, kidnap, and to
inflict bodily harm upon the President of
the United
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States, specifically, by posting on the internet
the statements: “Donald J. Trump will be
terminated on March 7th, 2018 by my hand.
Lucifer”; and “March 7th, 2018 Donald
J. Trump will
get shot in the face, head, and foot. Dead,
and done forever.” The stated charge clearly
indicates
that the Defendant intentionally (“knowingly
and willfully”) threatened to injury or
kill the
President (“terminated” “shot in the
face, head and foot”). Thus, the indictment
is sufficient as
to this charge.
For 18 U.S.C. § 875c, the elements of the
offense are: first, that the communication
was
sent in interstate commerce; Second, that
the Defendant intended to send, transmit,
or make the
communication; and, third, that Defendant
had the purpose of issuing a threat to injure
a person
or the knowledge that the communication would
be viewed as such a threat. See Elonis v.
United
States, 135 S.Ct. 2001, 2011 (2015); see also
United States v. Twine, 853 F.2d 676; United
States
v. Holder, 302 F. Supp. 296, aff’d 427 F.2d
715 (9th Cir. 1970). This count of the indictment
is
also clear. It states that the Defendant knowingly
transmitted in interstate or foreign commerce
a
communication containing a threat to shoot
the President of the United States and kill
Secret
Service agents. Thus, the charge alleges the
messages were sent in interstate commerce
(“transmitted in interstate or foreign commerce”),
intentionally by the Defendant (“knowingly”).
It also states that the communication was
sent for the purpose of issuing a threat (“containing
a
threat to injure”). Thus, as alleged, the
indictment as to this count is also sufficient.
Defendant’s claim that the Government must
also allege that another was a witness to
the
crime or it was made to others or with the
knowledge that others heard it is legally
incorrect. It
is simply not an element of the offense. It
is sufficient to show that the threat was
of such a
nature as would reasonably induce fear, even
though the communication was not delivered
to the
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person threatened. United States v. Kelner,
534 F.2d 1020 (2d Cir. 1976). The Ninth Circuit
has
made clear that the President need not receive
the threat. United States v. Romo, 413 F.3d
10444
(9th Cir. 2005).
Defendant claims that the Government must
identify who heard the threats. He points
to
two case for this proposition: United States
v. Stobo, 251 F. 689 (D.C. Del. 1918) and
Bount v.
Huff, 144 F.2d 21 (D.C. Cir. 1944). However,
these two nonbinding cases are inapposite
both in
fact and time. Both address the issue of threat
charges in light of potentially “unheard
soliloquys” – not from a world of the
internet and postings publically available.
Moreover, they
actually support the indictment in this case
as it is clear that the threats were known
to others as
Secret Service agents attempted to interview
Defendant about them. More recently, the Ninth
Circuit has supported convictions on similar
threats made over the internet. See United
States v.
Sutcliffe, 505 F.3d 944 (2007) (affirming
a conviction for transmitting interstate commerce
threats over the internet).
Defendant also points to Elonis in an apparent
attempt to suggest that the mens rea is
incorrectly stated in the indictment. [Def.’s
Mot. at 23]. However, Elonis supports the
sufficiency of the Government’s charge.
Elonis does not stand for the proposition
that no mens
rea exists within 18 U.S.C. § 875(c). Rather,
Elonis states negligence alone is an insufficient
mens rea. Elonis, 575 U.S. at 2011. In short,
Elonis simply indicates the defendant must
know
the facts that made his conduct fit the offense.
Id.; See also Twine, 853 F.2d at 680 (holding
875(c) is facially constitutional and not
a strict liability offense). That is what
is alleged here:
that Defendant knowingly made the threats.
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Furthermore, the words posted by the Defendant
constitute a threat. To establish a true
threat, the Government must show that “a
reasonable person would foresee that the statement
would be interpreted by those to whom the
maker communicates the statement as a serious
expression of intent to harm or assault. Lovell
v. Poway Unified School District, 90 F. 3d
367,
372 (9th Cir. 1996). By issuing a true bill,
the Grand Jury found that these were statements
a
reasonable person would foresee would be understood
to be and expression of intent. Thus, the
Indictment alleges Defendant made “threats”
as charged.
Accordingly, the indictment is sufficient
as it properly state all the material elements
of
the offenses.
III. CONCLUSION
For the foregoing reasons, the Government
urges the Court to deny Defendant’s motion
to dismiss.
Dated: March 8, 2019 Respectfully submitted,
BILLY J. WILLIAMS
United States Attorney
s/ Joseph H. Huynh
JOSEPH H. HUYNH
Assistant United States Attorney
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ADDENDUM
ECF
No.
Date Docket Event
1 2/15/2018 Complaint signed by Magistrate
Judge Thomas M. Coffin as to
Thomas Robert Murphy
6 2/16/2018 First Appearance before Magistrate
Judge Coffin and preliminary
exam set for 2/23/2018
7 2/16/2018 Order of Detention as to Defendant
Thomas Robert Murphy
9 2/23/2018 Motion for Psychiatric Exam/Treatment
filed by the United States.
10 2/23/2018 Preliminary Examination: Defendant
waives Preliminary
Examination and order granting the government’s
oral motion that
the Defendant submit to a competency evaluation
to include an
evaluation for an insanity defense. Defense
counsel orally waives 90
days under the Speedy Trial Act for presentation
of this matter to the
grand jury. Status conference is set for 5/21/2018
at 1:30
13 2/26/2018 Order granting Motion for Psychiatric
Exam as to Thomas Robert
Murphy
3/21/2018 Murphy arrives at Seatac for psychiatric
examination. Judge Russo
authorizes the study period to conclude on
5/5/2018 with the final
report to be submitted to Judge Russo no later
than 5/22/2018.
14 4/24/2018 Motion to withdraw as attorney
by AFPD Mark Bennett Weintraub
and for Appointment of Substitute Counsel
by Defendant Thomas
Robert Murphy
15 5/18/2018 Scheduling order at the request
of defense counsel, and without
objection, status conference is rest from
5/21/2018 to 5/23/2018
16 5/23/2018 Status conference: Oral motion
to stay motion to withdraw granted.
Defense counsel orally waives an additional
45 days under the
speedy trial act for presentation of his matter
to the grand jury.
Status conference is set for 6/27/2018. Defendant’s
appearance is
required.
17 6/27/2018 Status conference: Competency
hearing is set for 7/17/2018 at 10 am.
Plaintiff’s oral motion to exclude time
until the competency hearing
pursuant to 18 USC 3161(h)(1)is granted/ The
stay on the motion to
withdraw is continued until the mater of competency
is resolved.
18 7/17/2018 Competency hearing: witnesses
sworn and evidence adduced. Motion
to withdraw as attorney denied as moot. Oral
motion for a pre-plea
sentencing report granted. Change of plea
and sentencing hearing set
for 12/12/2018.
19 7/17/2018 ORDER: Defendant is found incompetent
to stand trial and is ordered
to undergo treatment for habilitation services
to be administered by
the Bureau of Prisons.
21 11/09/2018 Scheduling Order: At the request
of counsel, change of plea hearing
and sentencing set for 12/12/2018 is Vacated.
Status conference is set
for 11/19/2018 at 1:30. Defendant’s appearance
is required.
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22 11/19/2018 Status conference: Defendant’s
counsel orally waives 120 days under
the speedy trial act for presentation of this
matter to the grand jury.
Order referring this matter to probation for
pre-plea PSR. Status
conference set for 3/13/2019 at 1:30 pm.
24 1/9/2019 Status conference: Defendant scheduled
to be transported on 3/7 to
Springfield, MO for treatment or habilitation
services. Ordered 4
months allowed from 3/7/2019 for restoration.
25 1/15/2019 Notice of Attorney Substitution:
AFPD Susan Russell instead of
Mark Weintraub
30 3/12/2019 Order granting Motion to Continue/Reset
3/3/19 status conference as
Defendant is set for transport to the Springfield
facility the week of
March 18, 2019.
3/21/2019 Murphy arrived at U.S. Medical Center
for Federal Prisoners in
Springfield, MO for psychological evaluation
and competency
restoration.
31 3/27/2019 Status Conference: Defense counsel
orally waives an additional 120
days under 18 USC 3161(a) and (f). Status
conference is set for
7/24/2019.
33 7/17/2019 Status Conference: Defense counsel
orally waives an additional 30
days under the Speedy Trial Act for competency
restoration
proceedings and for presentation of this matter
to the grand jury to
continue its investigation. The court finds
that the ends of justice is
served by granting the continuance. Status
conference is set for
8/14/2019
34 8/14/2019 Motion to Withdraw by AFPD Susan
Russell and for Substitution of
Counsel. Status conference set for 8/21/2019
36 8/14/2019 Status conference: Order appointing
Kristen Winemiller as counsel
38 8/21/2019 Status Conference: Defense counsel
waives an additional 60 days
under the Speedy Trial Act for presentation
of this matter to the
grand jury to continue its investigation.
Status conference is set for
10/16/2019
40 10/16/2019 Status conference: Defendant
found competent to stand trial. Counsel
waives 45 days under the speedy Trial Act
for presentation of this
matter to the grand jury to continue its investigation.
The court finds
the ends of justice served by granting the
continuance outweigh the
best interest of the public and defendant
in a speedy trial. Status
conference is set for 11/20/2019.
41 11/20/2019 Status conference: Defendant
request for ex parte hearing and order
granting defendant’s oral motion for substitution
of counsel.
Arraignment and status conference set for
11/27/19.
44 11/21/2019 Defendant Indicted in 19 CR
530-AA
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