[MUSIC PLAYING]
SPEAKER: I'm so excited
to introduce our guests.
Boyz II Men remains one of the
most truly iconic R&B groups
in history.
The trio, which includes Nathan
Morris, Wanya Morris, and Shawn
Stockman, who will be
with us in just a moment,
hold the distinction of
being the best-selling R&B
group of all time.
Let's give them a huge
round of applause.
[APPLAUSE]
With an astounding 60
million albums sold,
four Grammy Awards, four
American Music Awards,
nine Soul Train Awards,
three Billboard Awards,
and the 2011 MOBO Award for
outstanding contribution
to music, a star
on the Hollywood
Walk of Fame, as well as
a Casino Entertainment
Award for their acclaimed
residency at the Mirage Resort
and Casino in Vegas, which
has been going since 2013.
Boyz II Men's world
famous hits include--
(SINGING) End of the road.
(SPOKEN) OK, I won't do it.
I digress.
"End of the Road,"
"I'll Make Love
to You," "Motown Philly,"
and "One Sweet Day,"
among many others.
[APPLAUSE]
The soundtrack of my
childhood, as I tell my age.
A collaboration
with Mariah Carey
that still holds the all-time
record for most number
of weeks on the
Billboard Hot 100.
Boyz II Men have won
fans over the world
with their soulful multi-octave
sound and incredible vocals.
Given the monumental
success of their albums
and the timeless
quality of their vocals,
it's easy to see why Boyz II
Men remains the most popular R&B
group of all time.
Beyond making music, they
give back to their community,
and they are here today
to celebrate and speak
with each of us.
Additionally, we're
honored to have
Boyz II Men's manager, Joe
Mulvihill, joining us today,
as well.
Joe is a 25-year veteran of
the entertainment industry,
having worked as a--
OK, Joe!
I'm sorry in advance.
He's getting clowned
from backstage,
and you'll see why in a moment.
Joe is a 25-year veteran of
the entertainment industry,
having worked as a host,
performer, producer, director--
OK, that's enough.
Let's bring our
Boyz II Men and Joe!
[APPLAUSE]
Hi, Joe.
It's going to be a long day.
WANYA MORRIS: Yeah.
This guy.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Hi, everybody.
WANYA MORRIS: Hello.
How are you?
NATHAN MORRIS: Hello, hello,
hello, hello in the back.
How are you?
SPEAKER: So guys, first, we
want to give you a big welcome
to Google.
I can honestly say
that I'm sitting here,
and I would imagine
that many of us
are because of the true impact
you've had in our lives,
in our careers by just
seeing the example that you
made across the globe,
as far as representation.
So first, just want to kick
it off to you on who is
Boyz II Men?
Like, where are you today?
What makes you tick?
WANYA MORRIS: Man.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Yeah, go, go.
WANYA MORRIS: Well,
honestly, Boyz II Men--
we represent music.
Real music.
We try our best to maintain
the integrity of music
throughout our careers.
We went to the high school for
creative and performing arts,
and that's what we
went to school for.
I barely got out of it--
barely got out of school
just because all I
wanted to do was sing with these
guys, and being choir majors--
vocal choir majors-- we actually
would be around each other.
So we kind of formulated
somewhat of a place
where we belonged vocally
without knowing that we
were going to sing together.
And once we decided
to get in the room--
and Nate will probably
tell you the story
and how it all came about--
but once we got into a room
and actually started
singing harmonies,
it was something that
we couldn't let go of.
It was almost like a drug.
It was like a high.
It was like the best
sex that you ever had.
You know what I'm saying?
Honestly, I mean.
But that's what harmony
does, you know what I mean?
When you're creating
it, like we often say,
music comes out of our throats.
You know what I'm saying?
And it comes together and it
becomes something so magical
that you can't forget
and you always want it.
You're chasing that actual
perfect harmony, and Boyz II
Men--
we are music.
That's how we feel about it.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Basically,
we're harmony crackheads.
Is that what you said?
WANYA MORRIS:
Harmony crackheads.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: All right.
Thank you.
SPEAKER: So talk to us a
little bit about the journey.
We always see-- I always give
the example of Instagram.
It's like the
highlight reel, right?
But we all know that to get and
reach your level of success,
there had to be some hardship.
So curious to know if you
could share with us some
of the struggles that you're
comfortable with sharing
so we, too, can kind of navigate
those moments in our life.
NATHAN MORRIS: Well, we actually
started as a group that you
know now in, I'd say, '90,
'91-ish that the world knows.
And obviously, coming
out of high school,
we jumped out pretty fast.
Things went very well for
us and success was great.
The first three or four
years went very well,
and then things kind
of got a little fishy.
Us being young, learning
the industry as teenagers,
not quite soaking in
all the information
that we probably
needed to soak in.
And not knowing enough about
the business to know that,
unfortunately,
the music industry
was built on the shoulders
of mobsters and people
like that who
weren't 100% honest.
We, coming from Philadelphia,
being taught that whatever you
work for, you get like that.
SPEAKER: Philly in the house.
NATHAN MORRIS: We,
coming from Philly,
being taught that when
you work hard, you win.
And then you get into a
business that kind of flips it
on you that when you work hard,
things don't always pan out.
So to make a long story
short, things didn't always
go well for us, and the
middle of our career
kind of dipped down.
And we kind of
only had ourselves
as a group to rely on because
everyone else around us, we
started to realize, were
strictly around us to either
better themselves
or make more money
or not give us enough
information for us
to move forward.
So we kind of fell on
each other's shoulders.
We tried to figure out
how to fight through it.
I mean obviously, you guys
see there's one member missing
from the original group.
That was one of the hardships
that we kind of went through--
something that we were
able to bounce back from.
And we all grew up together.
We talk about it now--
that 27 years in, we've
probably spent more time
on the road with
each other than we've
spent with our own families.
So we're kind of
closer than we are even
to some of our family members.
So for our guy to
leave in the way
that that thing went down for
us, it was a little difficult.
But we knew, like Wan said,
that all we ever wanted to do
was sing and make great music.
And we weren't going to let
one person stop that show.
And again, to try
to narrow it down,
because I know we all want to
talk, there's always hardships.
And I think the key is figuring
out where you want to be
and how you dig out the
place that you're in.
I'm a big believer
in trying your best
to control what you can
control, and don't stress out
about the things that
you can't control.
And we kind of took
that moniker as things
weren't going well
to just do what
we could do, and let everything
else fall where it went.
And 27 years later,
we're still able to be
successful at what we're doing.
SPEAKER: Amazing.
Yes.
[APPLAUSE]
As we sit here on the
Google campus surrounded
by a room of innovators,
curious to know--
we see where you are now
and the 27-year, huge career
that you've had.
But curious to know
about the breakthrough.
What was the moment that you
knew, wow, this thing is big?
This thing is really working
and it's time for us to scale.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Wow.
It's hard to pinpoint
a defining moment
because I lie to you not--
we got together
sometime in 1989,
and six months later,
we were discovered.
And then a year later, we
put out our first record.
And then it just went shoo.
But it was really just
one of those things
where it had to be kismet
because it was just
one of those things where
everything just kind
of happened.
WANYA MORRIS: The stars aligned.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: The stars
completely aligned for us.
So I would say from--
OK, I'll say one moment.
We call it the magic show.
WANYA MORRIS: Oh yeah.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: It
was February of 1989.
WANYA MORRIS: Valentine's Day.
SHAWN STOCKMAN:
Valentine's Day, right?
I like to tell this story
mainly because I think out
of everybody in the
group, it affected
me the most because I was kind
of the introvert geek nerd
dude.
I was probably one of
the only black dudes
that listened to
metal music and--
WANYA MORRIS: Read comic books.
SHAWN STOCKMAN:
Read comic books.
WANYA MORRIS: And hung out
with devil worshippers.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: I did not hang
out with devil worshippers.
NATHAN MORRIS: A little bit.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: So
I joined this group.
We put together this show
for a talent show that--
like an assembly show
that we have every year.
And we went to school with
guys like The Roots and people
like that.
So let me tell you something.
Our talent shows were worth
the price of admission.
Like, we had some of
the baddest musicians,
singers in the country.
So anyway, the curtains
are drawn open.
We're standing there
in these sequins.
WANYA MORRIS: Two-for suits.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Jackets.
WANYA MORRIS: No, no.
White jackets.
SHAWN STOCKMAN:
Oh, white jackets
with these black pleather
shoes and the whole nine--
now mind you, we've
gone to this school
for a few years, some of us.
NATHAN MORRIS: Yeah.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: And kids--
they've seen us around.
You know, no big deal.
When they open the
curtain, the girls
screamed like we
were New Edition.
And so much so--
no, really.
They were falling out the chair.
But we didn't sing a note.
WANYA MORRIS: Not one note.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: And
the principal had to--
hey, you guys, stop.
And all this other stuff.
So we're standing there
in our little poses.
WANYA MORRIS: Still
standing there.
NATHAN MORRIS:
Getting leg cramps.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Right?
While the principal is
talking, I'm like, damn.
Will she just hurry the hell up?
I got sparkles in my hand.
We had a whole routine.
To make a long story
short, we did the show.
The next day-- again,
I was an introvert.
Nobody knew me.
The next day, I go to my locker.
Hey, Shawn.
Hey, Shawn.
Shawn.
Hey, Shawn.
Shawn!
Hey, Shawn, what up, dog?
And it screwed with me a
little bit because I was like,
wait a minute.
NATHAN MORRIS: Overnight.
SHAWN STOCKMAN:
Overnight, literally.
So it was one of those things
where it was like, wow, this
is something special.
And this was before we
even got discovered.
So even then, I
felt like this was
something of some other
plane, spiritually.
Like this was just some other
entity, and honestly, not
trying to make it melodramatic,
but that's really what it was.
So to define it, I guess
that was the defining moment.
I knew from that
point that I wanted
to be a singer in this group.
JOE MULVIHILL:
Shawn, real quick,
tell them the story about
when they dressed up--
when you guys dressed up in bow
ties and that whole concept,
and you thought--
SHAWN STOCKMAN: They
could tell that story.
JOE MULVIHILL: And it
was a little ridiculous.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: All
right, I'll set it up.
I'll set it up.
All right, so when
we got discovered
and Michael Bivins
of New Edition
discovered us and we got
the deal, record's done,
went to the photo shoot, and--
NATHAN MORRIS: It was horrible.
SHAWN STOCKMAN:
Yeah, the first one
was bad because we kind of
looked like everybody else.
We had the baseball caps
and the parka jackets
and the Timberland boots
and things of that nature.
And Biv had the vision.
He was like, you know,
that just ain't them.
NATHAN MORRIS: He had a kind
of a vision, but go ahead.
SHAWN STOCKMAN:
Yeah, well you know.
It was a work in
progress, but he
was like, see, what I
want you all to do, right.
Because we were going to do
this showcase for Motown Records
in Los Angeles.
So he had an idea--
WANYA MORRIS: In the office.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: In
the offices of Motown.
NATHAN MORRIS: Get them
to underlayment, too.
The thing in the music
industry, period,
is that whether you have
good music or whatever,
you always have to have
some kind of gimmick or--
I don't like to say gimmick--
or some kind of identity
or something that separates you
from everybody else in order
for you to be successful.
And after we finished
our first album,
they really had no identity.
They had us singing
harmonies in an era
that groups weren't
really doing that.
Doing a capella stuff that
groups weren't really doing,
so they couldn't figure
out an image for the group.
So Mike came up with
this brilliant plan.
Go, Shawn.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Right.
So he took us to the mall.
WANYA MORRIS: Nope,
nope, no, no, no, no.
SHAWN STOCKMAN:
No, what happened?
What happened?
What?
NATHAN MORRIS: That
was after the fact.
WANYA MORRIS: He told
us, go to the mall.
SHAWN STOCKMAN:
Oh, right, right.
Go to the mall, right.
NATHAN MORRIS: He said, buy some
sweaters, buy some bow ties.
WANYA MORRIS: It
ain't got to match.
Nothing ain't got to match.
NATHAN MORRIS: Get some jeans.
Well, what color should--
don't worry about it.
Nothing has to match.
Just go grab some stuff.
WANYA MORRIS: Bow
ties, sweaters.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Colors, pastels.
The whole nine.
So we bought this stuff.
We put it on.
We were walking down--
no, no, no, no.
I'm trying to give
them the short.
I'm trying to give them
the short, abridged, that--
so we're walking on down
Sunset to this place
called Pink Dot, where they
made like sandwiches and stuff.
NATHAN MORRIS: And Wanya's
comment to me was--
SHAWN STOCKMAN: What?
NATHAN MORRIS: Oh, man.
People are looking at us, man.
These outfits must really work.
I said, no, dude.
They're looking at us because
we look like assholes.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Oh,
it was horrible.
It was horrible.
NATHAN MORRIS: Like Life Savers.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Yeah.
For real.
For real.
It was awful.
So all right.
So we get our sandwiches.
We get laughed at by
the passersby on Sunset.
WANYA MORRIS:
Beeping their horns.
SHAWN STOCKMAN:
Laughing and whatnot.
It was hilarious.
So we go to the
office at Motown.
They start laughing, right?
Laughing, right?
NATHAN MORRIS: First
time they ever saw us.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: First time they
ever saw us, and they're like,
what the hell are--
like, just crazy.
So we start dancing.
We start singing.
Yeah, all that.
NATHAN MORRIS: In the office.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: In the office.
In the small little section.
We gave it our South Park best.
And after that, we left
and it was kind of like--
NATHAN MORRIS: The president
of Motown called Mike Bivins
and told him that you've
got to figure this out.
This is not working.
So then the call
was made to go to--
WANYA MORRIS: Yeah, so then
Mike took us to the mall.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Mike called,
and yeah, he took us to the mall
and he got us these outfits.
NATHAN MORRIS: That matched.
WANYA MORRIS: The sweaters--
SHAWN STOCKMAN: That matched.
Right.
That matched.
The sweaters that you
see in "Motown Philly--"
that was the shopping mall.
NATHAN MORRIS: The ones
that are on the cover.
Those white sweaters, those
red bow ties, and the hats
are the second
"Cooleyhighharmony" cover.
WANYA MORRIS: He
hooked us up because we
had outfits to wear on
the shows and everything.
So we understood what
the Alex Vanderpool--
because that's what it
was called at the time--
we understood what
the Alex Vanderpool
concept was once he took us
to the mall and hooked us up.
SHAWN STOCKMAN:
Yeah, but it went
through a really bad stage.
NATHAN MORRIS: Like
the ugly teenage stage
where you don't know what
you're supposed to do.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Oh man.
NATHAN MORRIS: That was us.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: It was awful.
But it was good times.
SPEAKER: So I'm
curious to know now,
you look back at how you
began and the grind--
the grit that was required
through those stages.
And now seeing the huge
role that technology
is playing in the music industry
and you're seeing people
get discovered on
YouTube and on Instagram.
Wondering your thoughts
on instant or what
appears to be instant success.
NATHAN MORRIS: At first, we
used to frown down upon it,
but we realize that you can't
really change the times.
One thing I will say is that,
no offense to the millennials,
but our parents always
tell us this, too,
but we know that if we were able
to have that type of technology
when we started, because we were
taught to use our imagination
early, where a lot
of kids today don't--
if they don't push the
button, it doesn't come up.
We were trapped in
our room by ourselves
with a stick and a
horse head on it,
and we thought we were a knight.
So if we had the technology
that we had back then
with the imagination
that we had,
this music industry would
be off the charts right now.
WANYA MORRIS: Well,
the one thing, as well,
when it comes to the
technology aspect of it,
if it's utilized
right, it can actually
create a growth pattern.
People will see you grow, but
everybody's a star right away,
you know what I mean?
Because it's so put out there
to be this type of way--
got this gold chain and his
hat to the back and Kiki,
do you love me?
You know what I'm saying?
You know what I mean?
So now, everybody's trying
to create what's already been
created, you know what I mean?
And it doesn't help
the imagination
to become something more--
something better.
And longevity doesn't thrive
through certain circumstances
like that.
You have to become something
in the beginning for people
to see you grow to something,
which will create longevity.
And that's kind of like--
I look at it as the
Boyz II Men effect.
I remember coming to
places like-- let's just
say Google, for instance.
It wasn't Google
back then, of course.
There was no internet,
you know what I mean?
There was no emails.
There was no Wi-Fi.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: OK,
stop dating us, dude.
WANYA MORRIS: So we actually had
to go to these radio stations.
We actually had to shake hands.
We had to go to the
distribution companies.
We had to actually
show that we were
able to do what they
saw and heard that we
were doing on these records.
And we went everywhere.
We cultivated
enough for the world
that after 27
years later, people
can still say today that
Boyz II Men are real,
you know what I mean?
So there's no technology.
It was just basically organic--
the purity of music--
of our vocals.
And nowadays, if
people don't utilize it
in a manner to build themselves,
they're going to be here today
and gone today.
And that's normally what
happens with technology.
And I feel bad because there are
some very talented individuals
out there.
They just are jaded by the
concept of where to start.
NATHAN MORRIS: And I think
the information age helps.
I think when you
do the comparison,
it's easier to attain the
avenue to become successful,
but it's a lot harder
to become successful
because of the information
age and it being
saturated with just everything.
What I mean by that is
years ago, when we came out,
you only heard about the
artists that you heard.
You didn't have access to every
single person on the planet.
In other words, you only knew 50
talented singers in your life.
Now, you go on the internet--
there's millions of them.
So it's kind of watered down to
the point where it's not even
so much about the talent.
It's just way too many people
to let them all be successful.
We were at a time where--
and I hate to date us,
but we had three major channels,
you know what I'm saying?
So if you watched those three
channels, whatever you got,
you got from there.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: We had to
get up and turn on the TV.
NATHAN MORRIS: Now that
there's 10 billion channels,
it's kind of watered down
where everyone's attention--
[LAUGHTER]
JOE MULVIHILL: Does anybody
know what he's talking about?
AUDIENCE: Yes.
NATHAN MORRIS: OK.
As long as we're
not the only ones.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Right.
NATHAN MORRIS: But we
just had to use pliers.
But anyway, it's so watered down
to where-- and then Wan and I
was talking about
this the other day,
that you'll hear someone
who's absolutely incredible,
but now that you have
access to 10,000 people who
are incredible, how
special are they, really?
Years ago, we
didn't have access.
There was always
somebody over here
that was better
than Boyz II Men.
Always somebody that was
better than Mariah Carey,
but you didn't know about them.
But now that you
have connections
to see and be entertained
by all these people,
it makes it tougher for
people who are really, really
talented to be successful
because there's
so many that you can get to.
SPEAKER: So since
we're dating ourselves,
I might as well just go for it.
NATHAN MORRIS: All right.
SPEAKER: I turned 40 this year.
NATHAN MORRIS: Nice.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Welcome.
SPEAKER: Thank you.
NATHAN MORRIS: Yeah.
Welcome to the hill.
SPEAKER: 40's really
sexy, by the way.
SHAWN STOCKMAN:
Welcome to the 40 club.
SPEAKER: It feels good.
NATHAN MORRIS: We
call it the hill.
It's the bottom of the
hill before you get over--
SPEAKER: OK, OK.
I embrace the hill, then.
And I started my career in the
music industry for 10 years,
and saw music companies
shutting down.
We know many of them.
Tower Records shutting
down and the industry kind
of crumbling around us.
And I got out.
I was afraid, and
I said, you know,
my livelihood is attached
to this business,
and if I don't pivot now,
I'm going to sink with it.
That's how I felt at the time.
Looking back, my
question to you is
how have you been able to
have longevity and rebrand
and even reposition
yourself in such a changing,
evolving climate?
WANYA MORRIS: Well,
honestly, it was hard.
It was very hard, simply
because we started off--
our career was here, and
we were doing so well.
And we felt like at that time,
when the music industry was
changing, that we could actually
take a couple of years off.
Just relax a little bit.
Enjoy the success,
and when we did that,
the music industry
changed dramatically.
And we came back, and
it was like, where
the hell is the music?
And we actually
went through a phase
where we actually went searching
for where the love was,
I guess we used to call it.
And we would go and do shows
and then things like that,
and it just wasn't
as great as it--
we would go overseas, and
of course, it would be huge.
It would be amazing,
but we live in America,
so we wanted love where we were.
And we actually took a bit of a
nosedive, you know what I mean?
And during that time,
it was very humbling.
It was very humbling because we
didn't know exactly what to do.
We would actually
sit home and wait
for the big dates,
which would come,
but they were far
and few between.
And we had to, like you
said, rebrand ourselves.
We had to re-face ourselves,
and honestly, that's
around the time when we met our
manager now, Mr. Joe Mulvihill,
and he put together
a bit of a team.
And that team basically
sat down with us
and said, how hard are
you willing to work
to get to a certain place?
This is going to
be very humbling.
This is going to be humiliating,
to a certain extent,
because you went out from making
$500,000 a night at Madison
Square Garden on New Year's
to now performing in places
that you're not going
to feel too good about.
But it's going to be a whole lot
of shows, you know what I mean?
It was like dog and pony shows.
And they put this
schedule together,
and it was a schedule for--
how long was that schedule?
JOE MULVIHILL:
For the first one?
WANYA MORRIS: Yeah,
talk in the mic.
JOE MULVIHILL: The first one?
WANYA MORRIS: Yeah.
JOE MULVIHILL: Probably
six weeks maybe.
The first-- the one
you wanted to kill me?
WANYA MORRIS: Yeah.
JOE MULVIHILL:
Yeah, the first one.
That was six weeks.
WANYA MORRIS: Yeah,
and we did these shows.
And I'm telling you,
you go from performing
at theaters and
arenas to performing
at a place called Pufferbellies,
you know what I mean?
JOE MULVIHILL: Does
anybody know Pufferbellies?
It's in Cape Cod.
WANYA MORRIS: No.
NATHAN MORRIS: No.
JOE MULVIHILL: Well, they're
all going to tell you
about The Firehouse--
NATHAN MORRIS: The Firehouse--
JOE MULVIHILL: --and how
much of an asshole I am.
NATHAN MORRIS: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
JOE MULVIHILL: They're going
to tell you that in a second.
WANYA MORRIS: These
places were, you
could say, maybe 500 capacity.
And there was like
50 people there.
And you know, we actually
looked at each other literally
and was like, holy shit.
What is happening to us?
What are we doing?
And honestly, I say
it all the time.
We, throughout this time,
this humbling period,
we broke up like five times, but
it was five minutes each time.
You know, honestly, and I
guess Nate can continue on.
NATHAN MORRIS: Well, no, no.
I mean, he's 100% correct.
It took a lot for us to really
wrap our head around changing
gears, as you said.
And what we were
able to do was--
a lot of people don't know
all the history of our group.
They know that we sing.
We've got some so-called
pretty good records.
Well, I just-- I ain't going
to say they're all good.
But you know, we make records.
But a lot of people don't
know that a lot of our career
was spent grinding, learning
how to be performers.
A lot of people don't
understand that.
They've seen the videos
of "Motown Philly,"
and then they see
"End of the Road,"
and we kind of walk
around and don't do much.
So-- being honest.
So hypothetically,
if you were ever
to hear about a
Boyz II Men concert,
you have no idea what to expect,
because all you see us do
is walk around in videos.
[LAUGHTER]
So my point being is that--
exactly.
WANYA MORRIS: That's it.
That was it.
NATHAN MORRIS: So my point
being that, because people
didn't know that about
us, we were able to use it
to our advantage.
Like when you said, figure
out, the music industry
changing, what are
we going to do?
Are we going to jump
ship or do whatever?
So what we were able
to do is, I guess
you say, lean more
towards being a performing
group versus a recording
group, because there was not
a lot of money in
it for us anymore.
Because people were
stealing records.
They weren't paying publishing
correctly, even to today.
So we were able to transcend
and start that circuit
that Wan was talking about,
getting back on the road,
performing, and becoming a
performing group to where it's
one of the only forms of
music that people still
can't take from you now.
They can't copy it.
They can't steal it.
They can't do anything about it.
They have to come to the concert
to see a live performance.
We get some--
I don't want to name any
networks or whatever.
It's oh, well,
let's come to Vegas,
and we want to tape your show.
And we're like, no.
We're not letting anybody tape
anything live that we have,
because it's all we got left.
You know, when you make a
record and you put it out,
instantly the whole
world gets it.
And after that it's pretty
much stolen, gone, or whatever.
So we don't control it.
It's the only thing
that we can control.
So again, like I said, we
were able to switch gears
and realize that in
this day and age for us,
performing is the key.
Because it's the
only thing that we
have sacred that we
can offer to our fan
base that you just can't
go on the internet and get.
WANYA MORRIS: But to get to that
point, we went through a lot.
We went through a lot.
I mean, like I was
saying, we performed
in this place called--
what, was it The Firehouse?
NATHAN MORRIS: The Firehouse.
WANYA MORRIS: The Firehouse.
And like I said, it
was like 500 capacity.
And we walked into
this place, and--
NATHAN MORRIS: It
was 500 capacity.
That didn't mean that
that's how many was there.
WANYA MORRIS: I'm telling you,
there wasn't 500 people there,
you know.
We walked in the place, and
there's a mechanical bull
in the middle of the floor.
And I didn't know we was about
to recreate the pony video--
you know what I'm
saying-- or not.
But we walked in this place,
and there's a mechanical bull.
The stage got a
pole in front of it.
And I'm like, is
this a strip club?
JOE MULVIHILL:
There's a Coors Light
over a billiard as your lights.
WANYA MORRIS: Like, seriously.
And we get there,
it's like, you know,
it was-- literally
50 people showed up.
NATHAN MORRIS: And
Joe wasn't there.
WANYA MORRIS: And
Joe-- no, he was at--
JOE MULVIHILL: No, I was there.
NATHAN MORRIS: Oh no, you
was there for that one.
WANYA MORRIS: No he was there.
He was our manager.
NATHAN MORRIS: He was
there for that one.
I forgot.
JOE MULVIHILL: Hold on.
I thought I was going to be
fired, because when they--
NATHAN MORRIS: Close.
JOE MULVIHILL: Yeah, thanks.
When they were singing
"End of the Road,"
there was a woman on the bull.
WANYA MORRIS: Yeah, yeah.
JOE MULVIHILL: And they looked
at me like, really, dude?
WANYA MORRIS: And it was
crazy, because, you know--
and this is why
I love my fellas.
You know what I mean?
Because we share the same
veracity when it comes to what
we do.
You know what I'm saying?
It was 50 people
there, and you would
have thought that it
was 5,000, because we
sang each song the
way that we've always
learned how to sing everything.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: The
only way we know how.
WANYA MORRIS: The only way
we know how is to go 120%.
And as time progressed
throughout those months
and months and
years of performing
at these crazy, crazy
places, you know,
the numbers started
building again.
You know what I mean?
50 to 100 to maybe like
500, and then 5,000,
and then we did the US Open.
We sang the national
anthem at the US Open.
JOE MULVIHILL: "God
Bless America."
WANYA MORRIS: "God
Bless America."
Yeah.
No, we switched it.
Didn't we flip it?
We did--
JOE MULVIHILL: Maybe did both.
WANYA MORRIS: Yeah, we did both.
We did both.
And from that point, I guess,
you know, like Joe said,
the key is to get corporate
America to believe in the brand
again.
And once we did that, it
started building and building.
But it took a very long time.
And honestly, I remember
being on a boat,
a cruise, looking at each
other like, man, this is it.
After this, we out.
I remember in the
van, in the van,
Shawn was like, if
this [GRUMBLES] I
don't want to do this no more.
I said, I don't want to
do this no more, either.
You know what I'm saying?
We done.
Let's just quit it.
And then we got to
the room, and you
know, Nate came to the
room, and he was like, look,
man, this is us.
This is all we got.
And Shawn, we all just, it was
like, yeah, you right, bro.
You know what I mean?
This-- this is all
we got, for real.
You know?
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Where
the hell am I going?
WANYA MORRIS: [? CMB. ?]
You know what I'm saying?
We are our brother's keeper.
You know what I'm saying?
So it was one of those things
that, it brought us closer.
You know?
One member was gone, but
it brought us closer.
It showed us that we were
the last of the Mohicans.
And we had to maintain
that integrity.
JOE MULVIHILL: You
know, everybody
sees, like in
sports, LeBron James.
You see him when he
performs on the court.
You don't see the other
22 hours, what he puts in
to get what you see on TV.
And what I learned when I met
them was the personalities
and the dynamics.
Some of you probably are
surprised how funny they are
and how goofy they are,
and how they-- and when
I saw that, I was like, I said,
we need the world to see that.
We all know "End of the Road."
We all know "Motown Philly."
We all know that.
And those are going to be hits
for the rest of your life.
But how do you get people
to get to know you?
Not just, oh yeah,
I know that guy.
They didn't know Wan's name.
They didn't know Shawn's name.
I mean, they did, but nobody
knew their personalities
behind it.
So the theory was, if
we just get them out.
Now, I wasn't
anticipating a bull.
I wasn't anticipating
Pufferbellies,
all those other things.
NATHAN MORRIS: You booked it.
What do you mean, you wasn't--
JOE MULVIHILL: Well,
I didn't really--
[LAUGHTER]
I didn't realize.
I didn't realize
that those were--
you know what, dude?
I didn't realize, OK?
So what we learned from
a business standpoint,
and because you guys are
innovators and thinkers,
the thought process
behind it was,
if we grind it out long
enough, eventually,
because I know what I like,
and I think other people
like what I like,
for the most part.
You got good attitudes.
You guys are good people.
You have unbelievable songs.
Let's just see where
this can kind of take us.
And slowly, but--
and Wan's right.
It was a very slow process.
I was questioning
myself 100 times.
Like, why are you putting
them through this?
I was fans.
That's why I even
decided to do it.
I was a fan way bef--
Janet Jackson, the Super Bowl.
I was working for the
Super Bowl at the time
Janet Jackson's thing came out.
And right after that, I got
a phone call to go to Japan
and meet Boyz II
Men, because they
were about to fire your
existing manager, I believe.
And when I went out there, I
saw one show, and I was like,
OK, there's a real
business here.
I mean a real business.
And I sat down and said, guys,
there's something real here.
This is what I think.
NATHAN MORRIS: Well, he road
managed us for a long time
at first.
That's when he booked
the Pufferbellies
and the mechanical bull.
And then we, like he said,
we were in the process
of looking for another manager.
And because we've
gone through so much--
we've gone through a
lot in this business.
And again, one thing
about this group,
when it comes to people
that we meet and we grow
a liking to, we become
very, very attached,
and very, very loyal, almost
to a fault. And it's kind of
put us in spots where
our loyalty outweighed
what someone else
was doing to us,
and kind of put us
in bad situations.
So with Joe coming
along, we were already
kind of bruised kids from a lot
of different things happening.
So we really had to play
it back a little bit
and kind of see what we
felt he could give us.
And we played it for a while.
We made him run around a lot.
You know what I'm saying?
We did stupid stuff to just see
if he'd do it, and he did it.
I mean, you know--
JOE MULVIHILL: You made
me change my shoes.
NATHAN MORRIS: Yeah, he
used to come around--
you know us-- with
these beat up Puma
white shoes that looked
like he was kicking rocks.
And we had to tell him that--
WANYA MORRIS: Like, dude, you
hanging with black people.
You can't have
those crusty shoes.
NATHAN MORRIS: Can't
have no crusty shoes.
So now his shoe game
is all switched up now.
So he's got that fresh part.
He still likes to
wear swag a lot.
You know what I'm saying?
We got to still get
him out of free stuff.
You know, somebody give him
free stuff on the golf course,
he'll come to a
meeting with that shit.
And we had to tell him,
you can't wear that.
So we still working on him.
But the funny thing is, there
was a situation where-- this
was right before we hired him.
I used to play "John
Madden NFL Football" a lot.
And at the day,
it just came out,
and I just bought the game.
We were on the road
doing some shows.
And we were going to
this hotel that night,
and while we were
doing press all day,
I was all excited to get to
my room and play the game.
I was talking about it all day.
And I got to the room, and
they had one of those old TVs
that you couldn't really
plug the new HDMI into.
So I was pissed
for like an hour.
And then Joe called me.
He gave me the schedule
for the next day.
So he said, you got everything?
I said, yeah, dude,
but I'm pissed off.
I was trying to play my
game, da-da-da da-da.
He said, whoa, whoa,
whoa-- what's wrong?
I said, the TV's jacked up.
I called downstairs to
see if they had a monitor.
I know they got one.
They're holding it from me.
They won't give it to me.
So he's like, oh, hold
on for one second.
Give me like 20 minutes.
So I get a knock on the door.
Somebody brings a brand new
TV, flat screen TV, in my room.
And I'm like, I called him,
I'm like, dude, somebody--
what am I doing with this?
He said, dude, just open the
TV, play the game tonight,
just don't throw away the box.
So I'm like, all right.
So I still--
JOE MULVIHILL: They're all
thinking, damn, that's smart.
NATHAN MORRIS: And
what's funny is
that these are the things
that always click in my mind,
because this is someone
who thinks outside the box.
And as a manager--
SHAWN STOCKMAN:
Figuratively speaking.
WANYA MORRIS: Literally.
NATHAN MORRIS: Yeah.
And literally, that's what
managers need in this business,
to be able to kind of go around
and maneuver without making
the artist look bad.
So I played the game all night,
and then I put the TV back
in the box.
We go downstairs, and we're
flying to the next city.
Because I'm flying to Miami.
And I'm like, OK, well, I
said, what do I do with the TV?
Just bring it downstairs, we're
going to put it in the van
and take it to the airport.
I said, take it to the
airport and do what?
So, make a long
story short, not only
did he take the TV
back to the store,
he bought it in the city
we were in, flew to Miami,
and took it back to
Walmart in the other city.
So, right away for me, I
was like, that's the kind
of thinker that we
need on our team.
That--
WANYA MORRIS: Hustler--
you're hustling.
NATHAN MORRIS: --can help
us do what we need to do.
WANYA MORRIS: Ain't nothing to
see, a hustler is a hustler.
But when you got a
white boy hustler--
man.
You know?
It's funny.
And not to make this a
Joe Mulvihill situation,
but, you know, I remember
we were on the plane--
no, we were on a train.
We were on a train in Japan.
And I didn't know him.
I didn't give him as much
time as everybody else did.
You know, I didn't
trust people too much.
You know what I'm saying?
I like people.
I love them, but I didn't
trust people too much.
And I was sitting there next to
him, and he was looking at me.
This was probably
only the second time
we might have talked.
And he looked at me, and
I'm sitting there, you know,
eating my peanuts and stuff.
And he said, you
don't like me, do you?
And I was like,
I don't know you.
You know what I mean?
And he was like--
I mean, I said, I know you-- you
know, I know what you're about.
What am I about?
I said, you're an
opportunist, right?
And he was like--
JOE MULVIHILL: I lost my mind.
WANYA MORRIS: He lost his mind.
And I was looking
at him like, what's
the matter with this white boy?
You know what I'm saying?
I said, dude, I
said, listen, I said,
don't-- you're taking
it the wrong way, bro.
I said, you're an
opportunist, which
means that you look
for opportunities.
And these opportunities
benefit you.
I said, and as these
opportunities benefit you,
because you're working
with us, that opportunity
is going to benefit us.
I said, so I'm glad you're an
opportunist, because we haven't
had anybody around who was
looking for opportunities
for us.
I said, you see
something in us, and you
see there's an opportunity.
I said, so use us, [MUTED].
Exact words.
JOE MULVIHILL: Exact words.
WANYA MORRIS: Exact words.
SPEAKER: That was a quote.
WANYA MORRIS: Exact words.
SPEAKER: That was a quote.
WANYA MORRIS: End
quote, end quote.
SPEAKER: End quote.
WANYA MORRIS: End quote.
You know what I'm saying?
NATHAN MORRIS: Close, close.
WANYA MORRIS: No offense.
That's what we say--
SPEAKER: I got you.
I got you.
WANYA MORRIS: --when
that's our homeboy now.
NATHAN MORRIS: Close it.
Close it.
WANYA MORRIS: You're
our homeboy now.
NATHAN MORRIS: Close
that quote down.
Go.
Yeah.
SPEAKER: All right.
So we are going to turn
it over for questions.
WANYA MORRIS: Yeah, we
talk about it all the time.
SPEAKER: Now that we
just said the end quote.
If you do have a question,
please line up at the mic,
and I will ask my last
question as you guys think
about what you want to ask.
So let's get started.
I'll close out this
portion of the panel
by saying that Oprah
had a video that
went viral a couple of days ago
that said young people right
now are focused too much on
building their brand instead
of the quality of their
work, the craft, right?
So for those of
us in the audience
who have a side hustle, or who
may be interested in starting
a business, or whatever it is
that you are innovating right
now, what advice, and
what order would you
give with that notion?
NATHAN MORRIS: You go,
because [INAUDIBLE]..
SHAWN STOCKMAN: I'll say this.
I'll say a quick story.
I got a 15-year-old at home.
And he put me on game as
far as how kids nowadays,
with the opposite sex, or
somebody that they like,
communicate with each other.
And they do almost everything
through text, right?
That's how they ask for
a person's phone number.
I don't know how
they get the number.
I don't know.
And that's how they ask for
dates, movies, the whole
nine yards.
And I asked my son, I was like,
so, when do you talk to them?
You know?
And he was like, well,
we don't really--
you know, we go to the
movies and that's it.
I was like, that's it?
You know you're skipping
a few steps, right?
So it kind of correlates
to what you're
saying as far as like,
it's cool to create
this facade of who you
might be or what you are,
and things of that nature.
But there's still
an organics to it
that you still have to apply.
You still have to
talk to the girl.
You have to ask
her what she likes.
You have to be in
her face, and have
what's called a conversation,
and things of that nature.
WANYA MORRIS: See if
her breath stinks.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Right.
Whatever.
You know, you have
to find out all
of those things in order for
you to really like or dislike
this person.
I think that with social
media, it's a great tool,
but again, I think a lot
of kids are skipping steps.
They are taking
it for face value.
If I look like this, if I sound
like this, if I act like this,
then I'm going to be successful.
And they never really take the
time to put in the organic work
to actually be the
person that you
are perceiving yourself to be.
And that takes the work.
Like Joe mentioned
about LeBron James.
He just doesn't get up and
play the way that he does.
He practices hard every day.
With my group, we just don't
go out there and sing songs.
We practice.
We rehearse.
We've done this time
and time and time again.
And that quality
comes with that.
You have to put in those--
I guess, what's that theory?
If you put 10,000 hours into
something, then you-- yeah,
yeah.
That guarantees that you
don't become something that
fizzles out very soon after.
So you have to put
in that organic time.
NATHAN MORRIS: And I think
as far as the brand building,
I believe that the key
to it all is service.
A lot of people,
like you said, they
tend to focus today
on building the brand.
But now I know a brand,
but I know a brand
for giving me shitty service.
One thing that we've
known throughout history,
we know what type
of shoes Nike makes.
We know what Google offers.
Those brands have
cemented, I guess
you'd say, a form of
quality, that you know,
when you add it to that
name, you're not really
contemplating what
you're going to get,
because you already know.
So to your point,
yeah, there are
a lot of people
out there now who
are so-called on their hustle,
and want to build their brand.
But if your brand doesn't
represent any type of quality
service, then all you
really have is a brand--
a brand with a bad reputation.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: And
you get exposed.
So don't skip--
WANYA MORRIS: Eventually.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Yeah.
So don't skip the steps.
That would be the main
point of this whole thing.
JOE MULVIHILL: And real
quick, to the point,
grinding it out
with Pufferbellies
and the mechanical
bull and all that
was their second
stage of their career,
doing all the groundwork
to not only work out jokes,
how they communicate.
You know, we did an
event in Atlanta,
the 100 Black Men event.
I was the only white guy there.
We literally got on the plane,
flew to Orlando, Florida,
for Arnold Palmer, the golfer.
Everybody knows the
golfer Arnold Palmer.
And they were the
only black guys there.
And we looked at
each other and said,
how crazy is this that
you guys can resonate
amongst anyone all over?
Color-- it doesn't
matter who they are.
WANYA MORRIS: Doesn't matter.
JOE MULVIHILL: And
how did that happen?
I really think the
grind, the humbleness--
because you got
to remember, they
were kids making
millions of dollars.
Everybody loved them.
They were the greatest thing
in the world to nobody cared.
They lived through
the Nirvana era.
They lived through
the hip-hop era.
They lived through
the boy band era.
They live, now, the
[INAUDIBLE] era.
I mean, every single thing--
I don't even know what it is.
[INAUDIBLE], or whatever it is.
But the point is, the music
has changed over the last 20
dramatically.
'80s music had two
forms of music.
It was rock bands and
it was the '80s fun,
kind of goofy, poppy stuff.
NATHAN MORRIS: That's
if you were white.
But they had other stuff, too.
JOE MULVIHILL: And
R&B. The point is--
NATHAN MORRIS: Oh, and just R&B?
We didn't have hip-hop, huh?
JOE MULVIHILL: Well, yeah,
it just started in the '80s.
NATHAN MORRIS: I just thought
I'd throw it out there.
JOE MULVIHILL: It just
started in the '80s.
NATHAN MORRIS: You
notice he only named
his two forms of music, right?
JOE MULVIHILL: You know what?
My point is, we
as a business were
able to not only adjust to--
we weren't chasing anything.
We were just being
real to who they were.
That's the problem
with the internet.
You see something, and you try
to change it up to follow that,
and you're too late.
If you just do what you
do, eventually, patience--
and anybody in the room, no
matter what you want to do,
if you have kids, don't
have kids, have a business,
side hustle, no matter what is--
patience and showing
up are the two things
that can take you there.
SHAWN STOCKMAN:
And one more thing.
Learning how to communicate.
A lot of people tend to put--
and I guess it's kind
of customary for us
to be put into a category.
We're an R&B group,
mainly because people
see black people.
But as you look in the
room, who do you see?
You just don't see black people.
You see all types and
nationalities and colors
and age groups and
things of that nature.
I think mainly
because of the fact
that we learned
how to communicate.
It wasn't just about the music.
We knew how to communicate
our message through the music.
And the music was kind
of like the byproduct,
in the sense of, yes, I
really like those songs.
But just like Nate
mentioned, a lot of people
just saw in our videos just
us standing there pointing
at a camera, and
things of that nature,
until they saw us in a
show and was like, wow,
this was something different.
This was something more,
more than I expected.
So with all of those trials
and tribulations, and us
not skipping those
steps, we learned how
to communicate with everybody--
not just black people, not just
white people, but everybody.
And I think that's
what kept us going.
SPEAKER: All right.
So we are going to turn
it over to our questions,
starting with my sis, Michelle.
If you guys will first
introduce yourselves--
SHAWN STOCKMAN:
(SINGING) Michelle--
SPEAKER: And then
keep your questions--
SHAWN STOCKMAN: My belle--
SPEAKER: --as brief
as possible so
everyone can get a question in.
NATHAN MORRIS: And when
you finish, can you
raise the microphone stand
up a little bit higher,
because the people behind--
no, I'm just joking.
SPEAKER: It's
arranged by height.
NATHAN MORRIS: I'm just joking.
AUDIENCE: I'll be like, dang!
SHAWN STOCKMAN: That
was a low-key burn.
NATHAN MORRIS: I'm
just joking with you.
AUDIENCE: Hi, so again,
my name is Michelle.
Thank you all for coming.
Huge fan, super excited.
JOE MULVIHILL: Where you from?
AUDIENCE: Virginia.
NATHAN MORRIS: PA.
AUDIENCE: PA.
And my question
is, could you all
tell us your story as to how you
all got your name, Boyz II Men?
NATHAN MORRIS: Go ahead,
Shawn, you got it.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Nathan and
I were on the phone one day.
We had a previous name
that we will not mention.
NATHAN MORRIS: Sure won't.
Google it.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Yeah, yeah.
It's probably on Google.
And while we were
talking on the phone,
there was a New Edition
song called "Boys to Men"
that came on the radio
while we were talking.
And I said, that's our name.
Like, that should be
our name right there.
WANYA MORRIS: And Nate
was like, I don't know.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: And he's
like, well, I don't like it.
I don't like it.
NATHAN MORRIS: Well,
the only reason
why I said that, because at that
time we weren't Boyz II Men,
and we weren't successful
doing anything.
So we just did local stuff.
And every time we'd perform,
we did "Boys to Men,"
a New Edition song.
So, it would sound,
ladies and gentlemen,
Boyz II Men singing, "Can You
Stand the Rain" by New Edition.
It just sounded weird,
because that's all
we did was New Edition covers.
And now our name
is a cover, too.
So as we moved into our career--
because it's funny,
when we talked about it,
we said, all right.
We'll hang on to it
for a little bit.
But over the years,
we realized that it
became a name that was perfect
for us, because as Wan always
says, you know, no
matter how hold you get,
there's always going to be a
little bit of boy inside you.
And for us, our music we
feel transcends generations
from old to young, boy
to man, woman to girl.
So it's one of those
things where it just
kind of stuck after a while.
AUDIENCE: Thank you.
NATHAN MORRIS: Thank you, Shawn.
WANYA MORRIS: Thank you.
AUDIENCE: Hi, my
name is [INAUDIBLE]..
Same here, huge fan,
thank you for coming.
BOYZ II MEN: Thank you.
AUDIENCE: I'm from
the Bronx, New York.
WANYA MORRIS: Boogie down.
AUDIENCE: I kind of
wanted to hear from you,
you're talking a lot about
longevity and communication
and brand.
And as a boys
group, Boyz II Men,
you know, there's so many
groups that we've heard of that
have just, not
even here anymore.
They're gone.
And so I want to hear
you talk more about, what
are the values that you
all share that keep you
and this bond so tight despite
those five minute break
ups and all of that stuff.
What has worked for you
to keep the partnership
strong and alive and empowering?
SHAWN STOCKMAN: We had a better
understanding than most of,
we're better together
than we are apart.
Just like Wanya mentioned,
when we broke up,
we kind of got a
sense of clarity.
It was like, you know,
breaking up is not a good idea.
And mainly because, also,
our fans and the people who
supported us kept us up here.
So even when we
didn't feel that way,
other people felt that way.
So again, Nate mentioned
something about service.
We felt like it was our duty.
We were servants to people
who appreciated what we did.
Despite how we felt
about each other
and ourselves, our
own selves, there
were people that wanted
to see us, that came out
time and time again, that
wanted to sing those songs
and live those memories again,
and things of that nature.
So Boyz II Men has
become bigger than us.
The music and what
it's become is
so much bigger than who we are.
Again, we just
consider ourselves
servants at the end of the day.
These songs have done so
much for so many people
that it's kind of
like, OK, well,
let's just do it for
them if not for us.
WANYA MORRIS: And I know that we
spoke about the stars aligning
for our success.
But you know, we
believe that there's
only one way that
stars can align,
and that's by the Creator.
You know what I mean?
We actually, you know the day
that we decided to go into
and sneak backstage at the-- you
know, the "Motown Philly" song,
we snuck backstage and
met Michael Bivins.
You know, we had no money.
We had no idea how we
were going to get in.
And each and every time we
wanted something that night,
we would stand off
to the side and pray.
And it was amazing.
And I know that these fellas
can attest to it, that we
didn't have tickets to get in.
We prayed, somebody
got us inside.
We couldn't get backstage.
We prayed, and somebody came
and helped us to get backstage.
And for us to be
together right now,
it's just a
testament to the fact
that we're supposed to
be together right now.
And it's not for us, you know?
It's for those people who we
have a responsibility for,
the child that actually,
mother came and said,
you know, we played your
records for them while they were
in a coma, and they
came out of the coma,
and they wanted to
hear Boyz II Men.
You know?
The little kid that's
in the front row that's
nine years old, singing
"I'll Make Love to You."
Like, why?
How-- why are you
singing that song?
You know what I'm saying?
But it's because we've
created some sort
of non-offensive approach
to life and to love,
you know what I mean?
You know, everybody wants
their children and their family
to be able to be a part of
something that's not offensive.
And God gave us these songs.
We're just vehicles.
You know what I mean?
Anybody could have
sang these songs,
and they would have
been great songs.
But the way that
we feel these songs
is because we know that
they were gifts to us.
And we have to share that
gift with everybody else.
So yeah, the stars aligned,
but God made them align,
and that's why we're here.
NATHAN MORRIS: And I
think the human side
of the longevity,
which is missing
in a lot of things today, which
is I believe, again, there's
always--
the key is the spiritual
aspect of who we are
and what has
brought us together.
But being able to
stay together is, one,
to be able to,
like you said, all
the other groups aren't around.
And most of the main reasons
why they aren't around
is because they don't respect
the people who they work with.
They don't understand
them for who
they are, and are able to
live with their imperfections
and their rights
and their wrongs.
We've learned over the
years to understand
each personality of
each guy in this group,
and that's who they are.
But we also have the ability,
that when one guy steps out
of line, the other two guys are
able to put him back in line.
None of us have become
so big to the point
where none of the other
guys can tell you anything
that you need to do.
And that's what happens
with a lot of these groups.
You know, they have those side
guys that come along and say,
yeah, you're bigger
than this guy.
Yeah, you don't
need to be there.
And the egos start
getting big to where
the guys they created the
group with, they're like,
I don't really need these dudes.
I can do whatever I want.
But there's a humbling
within us that coordinates,
similar to what
Wan is saying, is
that, not only do we
do it for the audience,
but we do it for each other.
Neither one of us want
to let anyone else down
with what we are here to do.
So when some guy is not
doing something right,
and we kind of put
him in check, we
have to sit back and
think about that,
because we just don't want
to screw this thing up.
We know how important
we are to each other.
JOE MULVIHILL: And they still
have fun, too, by the way.
And we constantly
do things that are--
Wan wanted to record
with Tech N9ne.
We got him in with Tech N9ne.
He's a junkie for rock music.
He recorded with
the Foo Fighters.
Nate loves Justin Bieber, so
we recorded with Justin Bieber.
So, no.
No, the point is, we're
always doing something.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Huge Bieber.
JOE MULVIHILL: The
Geico commercial.
NATHAN MORRIS: I'm
not even going to--
JOE MULVIHILL: I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
We did the--
NATHAN MORRIS: They know.
JOE MULVIHILL:
--Geico commercial.
NATHAN MORRIS: They know.
JOE MULVIHILL: So anyway, the
thing is, we still have fun.
Twinkle, we good?
Twinkle, we good?
AUDIENCE: We good.
JOE MULVIHILL: OK.
SPEAKER: OK.
Don't shoot the messenger, but
we can take one more question.
NATHAN MORRIS: [INAUDIBLE].
AUDIENCE: No pressure.
SPEAKER: I apologize in advance.
NATHAN MORRIS: Well, if you
stand next to her at the mic,
it will be one big question.
SPEAKER: OK, all right then.
What they say goes.
Let's do it.
AUDIENCE: So, hi, I'm Jess.
I was born here in
San Jose, so local.
You were my first introduction
to cool a capella music.
So thank you for that.
And to go with that, I'm
part of Googapella, which
is Google's a capella group.
And we've been working on
harmonies and blending,
and you guys are
the icons for that.
Your music just transcends
the beauty that is blending.
AUDIENCE: Sing something, Jess.
AUDIENCE: No.
You can come to a concert.
So what tricks or tips do you
have that works for blending
exercises, aside
from being so close
and having gone through so much.
Is there something that
works for you as a group,
whether it's like
breathing, or--
NATHAN MORRIS: Hold
on, we'll lock that in.
We'll get both questions in,
and then we'll answer them.
Go.
AUDIENCE: OK.
So the question--
I'm from Moscow.
I'm Natalia.
So the question is about--
actually, I'll turn
my question to that.
"At the end of the
road," those lyrics,
can you talk a little
bit more, like,
although we've come to
the end of the road, which
is the end of the
road right now, right?
Can we-- is it OK to ask to
come to the end of the road
and ask you to sing?
NATHAN MORRIS:
Oh, see, now you--
we should have just
let you sit down.
See what happens when you
let the last person in, boy?
[INAUDIBLE]
SHAWN STOCKMAN: It took her a
minute to bring it out, too.
She was like, well--
NATHAN MORRIS: She
knew she was wrong.
SPEAKER: There's
a concert tonight.
Concert tonight, Garfield Park.
NATHAN MORRIS: Well,
go ahead, Shawn.
Answer that question
first, and then we'll--
SHAWN STOCKMAN: To answer
your question, you know what?
We might be the right guys for
that question, but actually
the wrong guys, because
we're kind of unorthodox.
Our thing is, we do
things a little different.
Like the whole triad thing--
NATHAN MORRIS: Out
the window with us.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: We never did--
it was always too boring.
NATHAN MORRIS: We never--
SHAWN STOCKMAN: So
it was almost like,
when we would sing
a three-part--
I'm not saying we wouldn't
sing those parts--
WANYA MORRIS: Because it
would start off like that.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: It would
start off like that,
but then he would go in, add
what we call a crack note,
because it's in
the cracks, right?
It kind of goes with maybe
the top, mid, or bottom,
but it kind of does
a thing like this,
that kind of goes in tandem
with that particular note.
Then Nate will add a bass,
then I'll add some weird thing.
So it's kind of like, if
anything, you do what you feel.
It's a feel.
And I think that's where
our style comes from.
It's not necessarily a
structure, but more of a feel.
If there's a note that we
feel like should be in there,
we put it in.
Even if it's just like one
half of a bar, it'll go,
and then it will disappear.
So that's how we do our thing.
WANYA MORRIS: And also, that's
the recording aspect of it,
but if you're actually
seeing us or hearing
us perform a capella,
each part that we sing
can actually be a
lead sung by itself.
You know what I mean?
So if I start at one note,
by the end of the song,
I could actually end up
at a whole other note
and a whole other register.
And he'll end up on a whole
other note at my register,
and Shawn will be in the middle.
You know what I mean?
So it creates somewhat of a, I
guess you could say, somewhat
of a wave.
And it does something,
but the idea and concept
is to actually have it move,
so that the actual melody
of the song can stay,
but it can move you.
And you don't understand
where it's coming from.
A lot of people might hear
a couple of our arrangements
and say, how--
what note is he
actually singing?
And it's just unorthodox.
NATHAN MORRIS: It's
all spontaneous.
WANYA MORRIS: Yeah.
And it's fun.
It's fun to do it
the way we do it,
because we know that everybody
is scratching their heads.
You know what I mean?
That's kind of awesome.
JOE MULVIHILL: I'll tell you--
NATHAN MORRIS:
Yeah, there you go.
JOE MULVIHILL: No, real
quick, when they record, one
will jump in the
studio and record,
and then Shawn
will say, hold on,
and they'll jump out and jump in
and jump out, and they'll say,
that wasn't right.
No, that was right.
No, do this.
And it's fascinating.
There's no keyboard, there's
no pitch pipe, there's nothing.
And that fascinated
me when I was first--
we recorded with Brian
McKnight, and he's
the same style as these guys.
And they had a keyboard
and everything,
and Brian's like, plug,
take that thing out.
We don't need that.
And they just find what
makes sense as they go.
It's just-- it's a fascinating
thing to actually see.
And if you're
musical, you get it.
SHAWN STOCKMAN:
OK, and sweetheart,
you've been waiting very--
NATHAN MORRIS: All right.
Miss Moscow.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: --patiently.
NATHAN MORRIS: All right.
JOE MULVIHILL: I'll
put the mic down now.
Go ahead guys,
you do your thing.
NATHAN MORRIS: I might need a
little bit more volume, though.
One, two, hey, hi, hey, yeah.
JOE MULVIHILL: Why don't you
do the doo-doo doo da-da?
[LAUGHTER]
WANYA MORRIS: She
didn't ask for that.
You know how women are.
You got to give a
woman what they want.
NATHAN MORRIS: It's
early in the day,
so we'll switch it up
just a little bit so
we save these for tonight.
But--
[MUSIC - BOYZ II MEN, "END OF
 THE ROAD"]
Hold on.
Are we singing with
the mics or not?
You got one and he doesn't.
I mean, I wouldn't do it.
[MUSIC - BOYZ II MEN, "END OF
 THE ROAD"]
[APPLAUSE]
It'll be better tonight.
WANYA MORRIS: We just woke up.
[APPLAUSE]
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Oh,
one more question.
SPEAKER: Last question.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Sorry.
We got one more question.
That's it.
AUDIENCE: I almost don't
want to ask the question now.
I can't--
SPEAKER: Make it good.
AUDIENCE: OK.
So my name is Charles
Olivier from Chicago.
I recently made the
jump over to tech,
but I started my
career in politics
with a couple of really
cool opportunities,
working for Obama in Chicago,
working for him in DC,
and Hillary Clinton.
And I recently made the
jump to come to Google
after being the CFO of the
Democratic National Committee.
So my question is,
as black artists,
what do you think about--
what are your thoughts on
artists using their platform
to be involved in
the political process
or encouraging other
people to be involved
in the political process?
SHAWN STOCKMAN: I think
it's great, mainly
because, I mean, let's face it.
That's kind of a
historical thing.
Artists have always done
that, from Bob Dylan
all the way back to
all of these acts
back in the '60s and
things of that nature.
Artists are the closest
thing to people,
closer than some politicians.
And we get our message
across conveniently in a way
where people are willing to
listen, because it sounds good.
It has a melody to it,
has a guitar to it,
and things of that nature.
So we're able to put
across our message.
And even when we were
growing up as high schoolers,
you had guys like
Public Enemy and people
like that, who put their
political message in music,
too, but the beats was hot.
And even now, Chicago native
Chance the Rapper and guys
like that, who are
doing the same thing.
And I think it's
incredible, because we
have the purest, most honest
way of conveying the message,
because there's no filter.
And because we're
not politicians,
people can be comfortable
with our message,
because they know that there's
no ulterior motive behind it
or whatever.
We say what's in our heart.
We say what we feel,
and most of the time
it's the same sentiment that
most of us share anyway.
The same thing comedians do,
and things of that nature.
We're just modern day
Platos and Socrates
and people like that who
used to say the same thing.
So I think it's awesome.
And I think there are
more people that need
to do that, especially now.
This is such a volatile time,
specifically in this country,
that we have to have more
artists and more people
to express themselves
artistically
to get the point across.
Where if no one understands the
political jargon and vernacular
that you might see
on CNN or MSNBC--
NATHAN MORRIS: Just
sing "End of the Road."
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Yeah, exactly.
AUDIENCE: Awesome.
Thank you.
Also, I forgot to tell
you, I got a beat down
when I was about 10 for
pulling the tape out
of the "Evolution" album,
my mom's "Evolution" album.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Ooh.
NATHAN MORRIS: Well, we probably
would have beat you down, too.
SHAWN STOCKMAN: Yeah.
NATHAN MORRIS: Glad
she got to you first.
Thank you.
[APPLAUSE]
SPEAKER: All right.
So I think I speak for all of
us when I say that we love you,
we support you, we were
so fortunate to get
to know the men
behind the music,
and we thank you for that.
Let's give it up for Nathan,
Shawn, Wanya, and Joe!
[APPLAUSE]
