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I’m very interested in both
the positive and negative effects
like when you are
in a hard competition training,
and you’re doing cycles
of Deca or Dianabol,
whatever was it
you were using.
I know you were one of the . . .
It's my understanding whatever it's true,
I'd like you would answer,
you were one
of the first bodybuilders
to experiment
with growth hormone, and . . .
I don’t think so, I used
growth hormone in the early 90s
and it had been used
before that, so . . .
-Ok, ok
I don't really think so.
Growth hormone is another thing.
Growth hormone can increase muscle mass
and minimize body fat, but it's not,
just because of the name
"growth" hormone, it sounds like
it's . . . you know,
but combined with steroids, I think
it took everything to a different level
-Ok
-Schwarzenegger was one of those guys
in the 70s that was just using steroids.
When the growth hormone came,
I think, it allowed people to get,
you know, to help them
to get to a higher level
perhaps it had an influence,
but not huge, you know.
Ok, so, I’m quite interested to know
like you are in your competition phase
you're putting stuff
in your body, and . . .
I mean, personally, I don't make
any judgments on that, I think
you did what you had to do
to peak in your sport,
I just would like to know what kind of things
you experienced, obviously you became
bigger and stronger, and you healed more quickly,
but were there any negatives?
Did you ever get
bad mood swings, or what?
You know, I guess in every drug
there is negatives, but
I can only speak from personal experience, for me,
I took steroids on and off,
you know, on and off?
From when I was competing amateur competitions,
you know, British championship level,
up into professional level,
from ‘85 to ‘97, when I retired,
so that is 12 years
of very consistent use, and of course,
athletes don’t use, either recommended,
dose of steroids, they use
way more than
their recommended dose,
and . . . but I can say
in all that period of time
I did probably get some side effects
like water retention, some acne
yes, your aggression levels
definitely are higher,
but it depends on what you do
with that aggression,
I took that, I utilize it, for my training in the gym,
you’re more positive, you’re more aggressive,
that is greating for traingin, but
if you are out somewhere
and you have pints
and you're in a a club or something,
it's probably not . . .
a good thing . . . you know?
I’ve seen people at work in that environment
working the doors, and things like that
they get themselves into trouble,
you know, because of this,
but it varies again
from one person to another
we all know that alcohol
can make people, you know,
lower their inhibitions and make them
more aggressive,
and one guy can have a few pints
and turn into a total aggressive asshole,
and somebody else
can be totally chilled, you know,
so it depends on the individual.
Because the mainstream media
would have us believe that
you know, you said you cycled steroids
for 12 years, I mean,
you should have like a horn
growing out of your forehead now,
but you look like
a relatively healthy guy,
-you look better than a . . .
- No, what I got say of
any pharmaceutical drugs
that you could take for 12 years
way over the dosage
that it is recommended,
that’s  got to be a very mild drug,
I mean, this is a hormone, you know?
I’ve got a friend who is now
looking at a kidney transplant,
and because he destroyed both of his kidneys.
-Through steroids?
-And I asked him . . .
No, it wasn't from steroids.
I don't know anybody that's had . . .
you know, you have to really, really,
super abuse it and take the pist
before you would get anything . . .
severe side effects.
This guy is talking about having
a kidney transplant.
He’s losing his kidneys
because he took Nurofen,
and Nurofen is
an over-counter drug.
If you get a bottle of aspirin
from the pharmacy now and drink that,
and take the whole bottle of aspirin,
it’ll burn thru your stomach lining and you will die.
You know?
Nurofen just destroyed
the guy’s kidneys,
and these are things you can get
over the counter, you know,
so, that kind of puts it
in perspective a little bit, I think.
So in a hypothetical scenario,
you mentioned you have a son,
he came to you and said,
“Dad,” like, “ I’m thinking of doing a cycle."
I mean, would you be cool with that?
-He’s 20 years old so it’s sort of happened.
-Ok.
Yeah, absolutely, I mean,
if he, if he decides . . .
I tell people,
“Look, if you’re thinking about it,
look at all the facts, get as much information
as you can, factual information,
I mean, when I started doing it
in the middle 80's,
there were a couple of underground books
around there, I photocopied,
underground steroid book from Daniel Duchaine
that was probably the only thing out,
and there was another book “Anabolic Steroids in Sports” by Dr.  James Wright, who,
and both of these guys
I actually met as well.
That was about it!
I mean, there was no incident.
-No, you know? There's . . .
-Yeah
this is just gym rumors and stuff.
And actually back in ages, we were very cautious
because if we did think . . .
shit . . . this stuff, you know,
I heard it can damage your liver,
and all these things,
and . . .
I was very lucky that I had a doctor
that supervised all my blood
tests and everything
throughout the years,
and he . . . there was nothing,
there wasn’t anything
in those blood tests for . . . results
for him to show any concerns,
say, 
“Hey, you gotta give it a break”
or “You should stop doing this”
and everything.
But, if you’ve ever seen a film
called “Super Size Me”
about a guy that had
McDonalds three times a day,
after he did that
for two weeks,
his blood results were so out of the chart,
his doctor was begging him to stop.
-Yes, true.
-So, two weeks of eating McDonald's
three times a day was much worse
than me taking steroids for 12 years.
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