-Jane Elliott, thank you so much
for being on our show.
I appreciate it.
For those not familiar
with your work,
can you explain what you do?
-I separate groups of people
according to the color
of their eyes
in order to give them
some idea -- white people --
some idea of how it feels
to be treated unfairly
on the basis
of a physical characteristic
over which you have no control.
I use blue eyes, brown eyes,
and anybody who doesn't have
blue or brown eyes
simply goes in the low class.
I accuse brown eyed people,
who I always put
on the top the first day,
of being smarter,
more worthwhile, more Christian,
better human beings
than blue-eyed people are,
because everybody knows
that blue-eyed people
have too little melanin
in your eyes,
and so it allows too much
sunlight to enter your eyes
and damage your brain cells.
And that's the reason
blue-eyed people aren't as smart
as brown-eyed people.
Does that make sense to you?
-No.
-That's the thing that makes
this exercise necessary,
is the fact that we in education
support the myth of one race
and the myth of
the rightness of whiteness.
-How would you talk to
or tell or ask white people
to talk to each other
about racism?
-The first thing
I ask people to do
is realize that
there are no white people
on the face of the earth,
now, unless you are an albino,
and if you want to know how that
goes, then you look up Tanzania.
Google Tanzania
and look at what happens
to albinos in that country.
It's absolutely terrifying
and indecent.
However, it's practically
what happens
to people of other color groups
in the United States of America.
We don't cut them
in little pieces,
we kill them
in front of cameras.
When you're going to talk
to people of color,
the first thing
you don't say is,
"When I see people, I don't see
people as black or brown
or red or yellow.
I just see people as people."
And teachers in schools
all over the United States
say that every year.
At least several teachers are
saying that to their students.
They say, "I don't see people
as black or brown
or red or yellow."
They never put
the word "white" in there,
because it's alright
to see white, you see.
And when you talk
to a person of color,
you have no right to say,
"When I see you,
I don't see you black."
And you have no right to say
to some ugly female like me,
"I'm color-blind."
And I've dozens and dozens
of white women walk up to me
and say, "I'm not racist.
I'm color-blind."
And I say, "I knew that you were
color-blind before you said it,
because if you weren't
color-blind,
you wouldn't wear that shirt
with those pants."
-[ Laughs ]
-Now...
they take exception to that,
and they walk away very quickly
and very angrily,
because I have accused them
of lying to their very face.
People who say to me,
"I don't see color,
or who say to a black person,
"I don't see you as black,"
are saying, "I have the freedom
to deny the largest organ
inch by inch on your body
which is your skin."
Now, if you can't see my skin,
you can't see me.
It's time for people
to take those phrases
out of their lexicon.
-When did you start
the exercise,
and with third graders, right?
-The day after Martin Luther
King Jr. was killed.
He had been one of our Heroes
of the Month in February,
and he was dead in April.
And we were learning
the Indian unit at that time.
Our lesson plan for the next day
was to learn
the Sioux Indian prayer
which says, "O Great Spirit,
keep me from ever judging a man
until I've walked a mile
in his moccasins."
I was taking the teepee
that my previous
third graders had made home.
I was going to wash it
and dry it
and iron it
on the living room floor.
I walked in my door.
The telephone was ringing.
I held the phone.
It was my sister.
She said, "Is the television
on?" I said no.
She said, "You better
turn it on." I said, "Why?"
She said, "They killed him."
And I said,
"Who'd we kill this time?"
because we were
in a killing mood at that time.
And she said,
"Martin Luther King Jr."
And then my world stopped
for about 3 seconds.
And I'm sorry, but, you know,
you're not supposed to get
all like a soup sandwich,
but whenever I remember
that moment in my life,
that is one of the most
tearing moments in my life,
because he was trying to make
things better for all of us,
not just for black people,
and we killed him,
because he and Malcolm X
were coming closer together.
And if they had united,
they would have changed
this situation,
make no doubt about that.
So they both had to die,
and they were killed.
And so I had to go into
my classroom the next morning
and explain to my students why
Martin Luther King Jr. was dead,
and I didn't know how to do it.
I watched television that night,
and I saw Walter Cronkite
interviewing three leaders
of the black community.
And he said to them,
"When our leader was killed,
his widow held us together.
Who's going to keep
your people in line?"
I was shocked and dismayed
that he would ask
those black males that question,
so I changed the channel.
And there was Dan Rather
saying to three leaders
of the black community,
"Don't you black pe--
you Negroes --
Don't you Negroes think
you should feel sympathy
for us white people
because we can't feel the sorrow
at -- the anger --
the anger at this killing
that you black people can?"
I -- At that moment,
I wadded up the teepee
that I was ironing on the floor.
I threw it into the closet.
And at that moment, I decided
that not only was I going
to teach my students
the Indian prayer the next day,
"O Great Spirit,
keep me from ever judging a man
till I've walked
in his moccasins,"
I was going to arrange
to have it answered for them.
I was going to allow
some of my students
to walk in the shoes
of a child of color
in my classroom for a day.
Now, I didn't know
how this exercise would work.
If I had known
how it would work,
I probably
wouldn't have done it.
If I had known
that after I did that exercise,
I lost all my friends.
No teacher would speak to me
where they could be seen
speaking to me,
because it wasn't good politics
to be seen talking to the town's
only N-word lover.
My parents lost their business.
They owned a lunch room
in a hotel.
My children were spit on.
Their belongings were destroyed.
They were physically and
verbally abused by their peers,
by their teachers, and
by the parents of their peers.
because they had an N-word lover
for a mother.
-What steps can we take
to fix this problem?
You've been doing it
for 50 years.
-Educate yourself.
You didn't get educated
in school.
You got indoctrinated in school.
Now use what you learned
in school to educate yourself.
-If there's one thing
that people can take
from what you're saying,
what would you like it to be?
-[ Chuckles ] I'd like it to be
there's only one race
on the face of the earth,
the human race.
We are all members
of the same race.
You and I are 30th
to 50th cousins.
Whether you like it or not,
you are one of my 30th
to 50th cousins,
because we have the same
ancestor back there,
300,000 to 500,000 years ago,
and they were black.
The only reason
you have light skin
and the only reason
I have lighter skin
is because those black people,
those brilliant black people,
left the area of the equator
and moved.
And as they moved farther
and farther from the equator,
their bodies produced
less and less melanin
so their skin, their hair,
and their eyes got lighter.
They didn't become
members of a different race.
They simply became
people whose bodies reacted
to the natural environment.
-I cannot wait
to see you in person.
Thank you so much again.
-Well, thank you for calling.
-Bye, Jane.
