JUDY WOODRUFF: In just about three months,
the U.S. women's national soccer team is scheduled
to defend its world championship, when the
women's World Cup kicks off in France.
But, today, in a stunning move on International
Women's Day, all 28 members of the team filed
a gender discrimination lawsuit against the
U.S. Soccer Federation.
As Amna Nawaz tells us, the lawsuit is by
far the most ambitious move by this team yet.
AMNA NAWAZ: In their filing, the players said
there had been years of institutionalized
gender discrimination.
That meant far lower pay, they said.
Players such as Alex Morgan, Megan Rapinoe
and Carli Lloyd also said in the lawsuit,
their working conditions training, facilities,
medical treatment and more were all affected
by this alleged discrimination.
Elizabeth Mitchell covers this for The New
York Daily News, and she joins me now from
Austin, Texas.
Elizabeth, thanks for being with us.
Let's start with how we got here.
There was a complaint filed with the EEOC,
the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission,
a few years ago.
How did that lead to this lawsuit?
ELIZABETH MITCHELL, The New York Daily News:
Really, it led directly because what happened,
was when the EEOC started looking into it,
they needed documents from U.S. Soccer, and
-- stating the women's revenue, and they were
unable to get them.
And so this is really trying to force discovery
of those documents to figure out exactly what
the women's revenue has been, not only now,
but how much it has been in the past.
AMNA NAWAZ: So, there are some numbers they
include in the lawsuit.
As you mentioned, it's not just about the
disparity in pay, but a lot of it is about
the pay disparity.
ELIZABETH MITCHELL: Yes.
AMNA NAWAZ: I want to read you part of what
they said in the lawsuit.
They said: "The pay structure was so skewed
in 2015, the men's national team earned $9
million for losing in the round of 16.
The women earned only $2 million for wining
the entire tournament."
Is it really that bad?
Do we know why the pay disparity is as big
as it is?
ELIZABETH MITCHELL: Oh, yes, it's terrible.
And, really, it starts at the top.
There's an international federation called
FIFA, which you might have seen in the news
because there was a lot of investigation of
corruption within FIFA.
But it is essentially a boy's -- I mean, it
is a boy's club.
It's had a lot of sexism in it going back.
And they never broke out how much the women
were making there.
And that -- FIFA hands money down to U.S.
Soccer.
And so some of that discriminatory also gets
handed down.
But, yes, those numbers are accurate.
AMNA NAWAZ: So, help us understand now what
is it the women want to see happen as a result
of the lawsuit?
And is there a chance they could be successful?
ELIZABETH MITCHELL: Oh, yes, I think actually
this is this best chance for success.
The main thing they want to know is, what
do we make?
I mean, it is a very weird situation, because
they don't get to see their economics.
It goes through this private company called
Soccer United Marketing.
And that entity has all the information about
how much revenue comes in through sponsorships
and all the rest, but they have never broken
it out for the women.
And so the women want to say, OK, let us be
paid equally.
If we make less, let's get paid less, but
let us look what we're bring into the Federation.
And one thing, let's make sure all of our
work conditions, our training, all the rest,
there, we have equality, because that's the
way to build the sport going forward.
AMNA NAWAZ: It's worth mentioning this isn't
the first time they have been fighting to
equalize the pay and other conditions.
Very briefly, Elizabeth, have they made any
progress over the many years?
ELIZABETH MITCHELL: Oh, yes.
I mean, there has been some progress, particularly
when they renegotiated their contract.
And that was under a threat of lawsuit as
well.
But they were able to get some boost in their
compensation for some of their public appearances.
They were able to get a little increase on
the prize money, a little increase on some
of the benefits of the training facilities,
but not enough.
And it is the only league as well, the only
U.S. federation, that has this commercial
arm that is taking in the profits, and then
telling the women and men what they make.
AMNA NAWAZ: This lawsuit was filed today,
so we will see where it leads.
Elizabeth Mitchell of The New York Daily News,
thanks very much.
ELIZABETH MITCHELL: Thank you for having me.
AMNA NAWAZ: And let's get some reaction from
Julie Foudy, the former captain of the U.S.
women's national team.
She is a two-time World Cup champion and Olympic
gold medalist.
She's now a soccer commentator and reporter
for ESPN and hosts a podcast called "Laughter
Permitted," which focuses on women pioneers
in sports.
She joins us now on the phone.
Julie, thank you so much for being with us.
Let's just start with your reaction.
What did you think when you first heard about
the lawsuit today?
JULIE FOUDY, Former Captain, U.S. Women's
National Team: I thought, interesting timing,
right before the World Cup, of course.
And it's bold and brave, which is pretty much
trademarks of this team for so long.
And what I love about this current group is,
they understand that their role in so many
ways is to pioneer, in a sense, for the other
female athletes out there, whether it be the
USA hockey team, or -- I mean, you go down
the list of national governing bodies that
aren't doing enough, I think, for their women's
teams, and they recognize that they have an
opportunity to set the path for these other
teams.
And they're going to do just that.
AMNA NAWAZ: It's worth noting, back in 1999,
you and your teammates won the World Cup.
Just a few months later, you go on strike
for equal pay.
Did you think this was a conversation you
were still going to be having 20 years later?
JULIE FOUDY: No.
No.
And this is actually a conversation, when
we do have it now 20 years later with the
current team, I say, oh, my gosh, are we still
fighting these same fights?
And I think that's what it's about.
Obviously, pay equity is one piece of it,
but the thing that the players, that really
rattle them, is little things that are low-hanging
fruit that they had to fight for even more
recently in terms of equal per diem on a daily
basis to the men's team.
And, as we know, this is a team that's winning,
that is making money, that's celebrated in
so many different ways, and has so many positives
around it.
We have an opportunity to be bold and brave
here and do something that could be precedent-setting
for the rest of female athletes.
AMNA NAWAZ: Julie Foudy, thank you so much
for making the time to talk to us.
JULIE FOUDY: My pleasure.
