- [Alice] TERFs,
or Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists.
- They willfully deny the fact
that trans women are women.
Personally, I think
it's a garbage hot take.
But thanks to some powerful allies,
it's still around stinking
up the feminist movement.
And it's not just famous witches,
we've got our own TERFs right here.
Speak Up For Women or
SUFW, are an organisation
who lobby openly on the idea
that trans women aren't women.
Last year, SUFW booked an event
at Massey University called Feminism 2020,
so they could finally
raise the voices of some
of women's worst women,
including two who've been banned
from Twitter for hate speech.
Eventually, petitions were signed,
protests were held and
Massey cancelled the event.
But that wasn't the end of
the road for these bigots.
You have to wonder,
when did feminists become such bitches?
- To break it down,
a Trans Exclusionary Radical
Feminist excludes, trans woman
as being identified as women.
Is that correct?
- Yeah, or they just exclude trans women
from feminism in general.
- What is it that they
think that trans people
are trying to accomplish,
if not just living authentically.
- There's lots of
theories and one of it is
that someone like me is
apparently a pervert who wants
to get into women's spaces
to sexually assault women.
- God, that's quite a full on accusation.
- Yeah, yeah.
- Isn't it?
- And I've actually had a few of them say
that to me, like when
I go and use the pools
or something like that,
I'm deliberately exposing
myself to antagonise women.
- That seems wild.
- 12 years of transition.
Just so I can see a boob.
- Yeah.
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- What do you think of the term TERF?
- I think it's derogatory term.
It is taken as an offence.
I understand by some in those movements.
- I think actually, if you look at it,
in its self it probably speaks a truth.
- Yeah, like is it
derogatory, if it's true?
So there was going to be
an event held at Massey.
- Yeah, from what we gathered,
from looking at the other
events around in the UK,
it was basically gonna be
a whole bunch of TERFs,
standing around pontificating
about trans people.
- It's so interesting to me about TERFs,
because like the thing that we hear time
and time again when an
event gets cancelled is
that we're being deplatformed.
- Yeah.
- You know no one will platform us.
We were gonna talk to
one and literally none
of them would face up.
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- Oh, wow.
- I don't mind at all
that there are some women,
who raise issues that they
think concern them as woman.
I just don't like this hate thing,
that I sense growing.
- Where do you sense it growing?
- Well from these women,
this Meghan Murphy
that seems to come from hate
and an absolute denial,
that there is any such thing
as trans anything.
- And I just think that that is ignorant.
- I certainly get the
impression that she's venal,
and I guess if I had more
time or ability to do it
I would debate her because
I can be venal too.
(laughs)
- So what's happened now
with the Feminism 2020 event?
- It's got a new venue
and it looks like it's
probably going ahead.
- Do you know where the venue is?
- The banquet hall at Parliament.
And it was most likely
booked by David Seymour
of the Act party.
- What the fuck?
- Yeah.
- Actually?
- Yeah, cause freedom of speech.
- What the fuck, David Seymour?
(laughs)
- He's been all like cosy cosy
with the trans community
at certain points,
and this is just like,
a fucking dagger in the back.
- What the fuck is he...?
- Free speech.
- We found that it was happening
at Parliament and was like,
God who sponsored that?
And we found out it was David Seymour.
And I was like, Oh my God,
so I started texting him.
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- Oh my God, he sent me this photo.
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- He kind of didn't
confirm that it was him
but then Sean Plunket's
radio show the magic talk
or whatever, he confirmed it,
as a freedom of speech thing.
- [David Seymour] Ani
O'Brien called me and said
you wouldn't believe it.
We are being censored
from having a discussion
about feminism at a university.
And I said, look, I think
this is disgraceful.
I will host the event at Parliament,
and, I think it's
important that these folks
who are not hateful by
the way, they are people
who want to debate as a parliamentarian,
and I think it's important that it's able
to happen, because at the end of the day,
you end up with a lot
more victims in a society
that doesn't have free discussion than one
that allows it.
- [Sean Plunket] Maryan
Street, said you achieved...
- Well, first of all,
it's not censorship to not
hold the event at Massey,
it's a private institution that's allowed
to have anyone in there that they want,
and pull anything that they want.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean
equal access to all venues.
I don't think it's crazy
that a university institution
says, "Hey, we think the kind
of ideas that you're espousing
are essentially hate speech,
and we've decided that, that
is not actually up for discussion here."
The freedom of speech
thing is, it's a tool
that's being used by people,
to oppress masquerading as a virtue.
- I think it's designed to wind us up.
The event
It was originally scheduled to be today,
which is the start of Trans Awareness Week
and Trans Awareness Week is important
because it's a week leading up
to Trans Day of
Remembrance, which is when,
when we remember our dead.
- So sorry.
- No, I'm sorry.
- It's okay.
They know what they're doing.
I think their whole M.O. is, to try
and make trans people do something stupid,
so that they can use it
as ammunition against us.
- Sorry.
- No, don't apologise.
Would it make it better
if a cis person did
something fucking stupid?
(laughs)
- This is the front of my t-shirt,
and then this is the back.
I am honestly, genuinely,
a little bit nervous
about the prospect of it.
You know that feeling where you're like
oh no, she's gonna do something wrong,
I've shat like four times
at Backbenchers across the street,
just cause my tummy is all funny,
but I did have a beautiful,
medium rare sirloin steak.
(laughs)
With some duck fat potatoes.
My goal is just to stay as calm
and as polite as possible.
And honestly, if I pull that off,
it'll be a victory for the cause,
And also a personal victory
for me, because I'm not sure
that I've ever been both of those things,
for a sustained period of time.
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- In a huge win for free speech,
Speak Up For Women have told us,
that if we release any of the footage we
took while we were inside,
that they will sue us for trickery,
trespass and defamation.
They sent out a big email
to everyone who attended the event,
looking to fundraise money to sue me,
which, honestly is invigorating.
I don't understand the
logic behind advocating
for free speech only when it's yours.
So, I'm just gonna walk
you through what happened.
Here we go.
So it was me, it was
Amber, who's our producer,
and it was Ainsley, who
was the DP, on our show.
We're walking along here.
Oh, okay, cool.
Thank you.
We can take photos through there.
It was a good turnout,
honestly, I was shocked.
We came over here, someone found us seats.
Then they said there'd be a Q&A.
So I thought, well, I'll be respectful.
I'll wait for the Q&A.
That was honestly, a horrible mistake.
I cannot tell you just
how boring this event was.
I just hated every second of it.
Anyway, David Seymour
was there, God bless him.
I'll use yellow, because he's in Act,
it's nice for them to get
some actual time on camera,
and there was four speakers,
only really one who everyone cared about,
which was Meghan Murphy.
And then imagine all of these
other people are bigots.
So they started talking,
they spoke for like an hour
and a half.
And then Meghan Murphy
spoke, and I gotta say,
she's fucking uncompelling.
And she said some pretty
horrible sh** about trans women,
She was basically the equivalent of
someone being like no offence, but.
Anyway, it came to question
time, I put my hand up,
and the moderator looked
at me directly and
was like, I don't think so.
And they asked somebody else a question.
And then this guy, this poor little man,
who had no idea about
what was going on here.
Shoulder tapped me gave
me a mic, I stood up,
tried to make a few jokes.
Absolutely zero response,
still not the worst
audience I've ever had.
- I asked my question.
Which in hindsight was not
actually a very good question.
Too long, double negatives,
honestly its mortifying.
The moderator came over to
me and she started to like,
try and grab the mic off of me.
And I was kind of holding on to it
cause I love to perform.
At this stage Amber, our producer,
she was filming from back here.
Unbeknownst to me, this
woman had come over here
and been like, stop filming,
Amber had stop filming.
And then, she assaulted her
- I'm just talking to the
security because (beep) actually
like grabbed me and yanked me.
- Oh my God.
- Amber I'm so sorry.
Are you feeling okay?
- Yeah, so I just want to
just let them know that it
was before I was actually just asking if--
- Literally one of the things
they were talking about was
about the intimidation that they faced
And then Amber got assaulted.
It feels utterly bizarre.
It just seems bizarre to
me because, even women
who have led feminist
movements and been kind
of at the cutting edge of that.
- And many of those woman
happen to be members
of the rainbow community too.
- Yeah, exactly.
So my question is
Is there a point where you're progressive
and then you stop progressing?
(laughs)
- Welcome to the confusion my darling.
- And in terms of the feminist movement,
how do you feel about that now?
- Would you identify as a feminist?
- I am always gonna
identify as a feminist.
- And would you identify
TERFS as feminists as well?
Or would you just call them TERS?
(laughs)
- I think some of them are feminists,
they've just lost their way.
- That's very generous.
- A lot of them are
just fucking dickheads.
(laughs)
- That's the answer I was looking for.
Oh, sh**.
- Hey David, it's Alice here,
I'm just waiting outside to
see if you wanna have a chat.
I felt like I didn't get the opportunity
to exercise my right to free speech,
so I'm just wondering if
you could come down here
and give me some
parliamentary help with that.
Anyway, I'll be outside thanks.
