OPRAH WINFREY: Dr. Mack's new
book is called "Abduction."
Peter, who has worked as a
chef, as a hotel manager,
and as a therapist says that
he was first visited by aliens
when he was eight years old.
He continues to have
encounters as an adult.
And yes, he believes that
beings from other planets
have been intimate with him.
So despite the fact that
they have been scared out
of their minds, Peter and others
we're going to hear from today
say that their lessons
from the aliens
have enriched their
lives in ways that they
would like to share with us.
And that is what we're
here to hear from you.
You know, it's-- you
know how crazy it sounds.
I said to you, as
we started the show,
this is really either
pretty brave of you,
or it's one of the great
publicity stunts of our time.
Because to go on
television and to admit
that you have been
abducted, in a world
where people don't even--
most people, I think,
don't accept that
as a part of reality or possible
reality, puts you in a pretty--
pretty good position
to be ridiculed.
Yes.
[LAUGHS]
OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah.
- And--
OPRAH WINFREY: So are
you scared about that?
Are you--
- I used to be scared about it.
But it's really important now to
talk about it because I realize
there's lots of people
out there like myself,
who a few years ago
had these experiences
and didn't know what
to do with them.
Yes, but what I'm--
what I wanted to hear from you,
or I'm trying to hear from you
is whether or not you understand
how crazy it sounds to us?
- Absolutely.
- OK.
I had to deal with
my own craziness
and to think it was crazy
for me to think this
before I could talk to
other people about it.
So when it first
happened to you,
is it something that you
absolutely were sure of?
Or did it feel like a dream?
Or did you-- what?
I wasn't sure.
I had a conscious memory.
I knew something happened
in the middle of the night
that I couldn't explain, that
nowhere in my imagination could
I have made this up.
And I just sat with
that for a long time.
You say in--
or you were quoted
in Dr. Mack's book,
I remember, as saying
that you always did
believe somehow in guardian
angels, that as a child
you thought they were
just guardian angels,
and that have always
believed that you
had some way of talking to God.
That's what-- as I
remember the quote.
That's not exactly the quote
but something like that.
So do you remember when you were
eight years old being abducted
or when you were younger
feeling this whatever?
No.
I had memories when I was an
adult, three or four years ago.
And then in regression is
when I went back in time,
saw myself as a child having
the abductions from the time I
was about eight years old.
OPRAH WINFREY: OK.
So more and more came
out under regression.
OK.
Can you tell me
what you remembered
when you were regressed?
I remember a light
hitting me in the forehead,
aliens in my room, being
lifted up into a spaceship.
OPRAH WINFREY: What
did they look like?
Did they look like
they did in "Close
Encounters of the Third Kind?"
- No.
OPRAH WINFREY: No?
Similar, but not quite
the same, not at all.
OPRAH WINFREY: OK.
I remember being-- lying
on a table, lying naked,
having probes put around
me, experiments done on me,
looking in my eyes, my ears.
So this happened to you,
what, in the middle of the day?
Are you--
PETER FAUST: They
happened at nighttime.
OK.
So when you're sleeping.
Or not sleeping.
What happened was for
me, the conscious memories
that I had was in the
middle of the night,
I woke up, very conscious,
walked over to my living room,
saw something in the room,
felt the white light,
felt the paralysis,
and then I fell asleep.
Several hours later,
I woke up and had
these intense
emotions associated
with the experience that just--
I couldn't fathom.
Like, why was I so scared?
Why was I Terrified What was--
OPRAH WINFREY: You
had a bad dream.
That's what I thought.
That's what I wanted to believe.
That's what I wanted
to believe for years.
And I think that's what most
people want to believe until--
And why do you
want to believe that?
Because--
Because I don't want to
think I'm abducted by aliens.
That was the last thing
I wanted in my life.
This sounds like
a bad tabloid story.
It-- that's what it sounded
like to me for a long time.
Uh-huh.
But Dr. Mack tape recorded
several of his therapy sessions
with Peter, including one
where Peter was under hypnosis.
And during these
sessions, Peter recalled
his meetings with the aliens.
We have a tape made
by a Canadian film
crew that shows the
very first time Peter
ever heard himself under hyp--
hypnosis.
So you will see Peter's
reaction listening to the tape.
You can hear Peter's voice
describing on the tape
what the aliens did to him.
And you can see his reaction
to hearing his own words.
Just about 42
seconds, take a look.
PETER FAUST (ON RECORDING):
They're locking me up.
[PANTING]
JOHN MACK (ON RECORDING): OK.
PETER FAUST (ON RECORDING):
I'm in my room in Hawaii.
And they lifted me up.
[PANTING] Oh.
I'm terri--
JOHN MACK (ON
RECORDING): Terrified.
Uh-huh.
PETER FAUST (ON
RECORDING): They were--
and then the [INAUDIBLE]
went outside.
JOHN MACK (ON RECORDING):
You're terrified.
Mm-hmm.
PETER FAUST (ON RECORDING):
[PANTING] And I'm like this.
They've got me.
[PANTING] Oh!
Oh!
[PROLONGED MOANING]
[CRYING] [PANTING]
JOHN MACK (ON RECORDING):
Peter, just remember--
PETER FAUST (ON RECORDING):
I don't want to go.
JOHN MACK (ON RECORDING):
You're gonna be OK.
Just let it go.
Let the feelings come.
You're gonna come
through this fine.
PETER FAUST (ON RECORDING): OK.
JOHN MACK (ON RECORDING):
You're gonna be just fine.
What was that like to hear it?
What's it like to hear it now?
It's easier now because
I've heard it so many times.
But it still brings up emotions.
And that's what made me
believe that something
happened because I
couldn't deny my emotions.
I heard your own
father didn't believe
you until he heard the tape.
Now, that is sort
of what we call
one of those blood-curdling
screams, that's--
you know?
Well, it's not that my
father didn't believe me,
but it's just to hear the
story, it's hard to fathom.
It's hard to accept.
But when he saw
the tape and heard
the emotions
associated with it, he
knew there was something there.
And for myself, that's--
I knew there was
something real there.
Dr. Mack, what
does this all mean?
What is all of this--
you know, the book, where you've
talked to hundreds of patients
and describe in detail what
they say they have experienced.
You, with your credentials,
coming from Harvard,
what do you think
this all means?
Well, let me explain first
why I concluded this is not
psychiatric, why
these people are
not psychiatrically disturbed.
- Well-- OK.
- Because I was concerned.
When I first heard about this,
I thought this must be madness.
But when I heard that hundreds
of thousands of people
all over the country--
OPRAH WINFREY: Why
not a publicity stunt?
Why not just--
Because these
people, like Peter,
I can't tell you
how difficult it
is to get people to go on
television to talk about this.
People are not interested
in being before the public.
They're very ashamed
because they get
ridiculed, humiliated about it.
This is not something
anybody does--
this is not a club anybody
wants to belong to.
This is not something people
do because they want to be
filmed or get on publicity.
It's very difficult
to get people
to come forth and acknowledge
they've had these experience.
OPRAH WINFREY: Yes.
And I've-- I've read
interviews of people who have
come forward years
ago who wished
that they hadn't at this point.
Go ahead.
So when I heard of it,
hundreds of thousands of people
all over the country from
various polls, we know,
maybe even millions
of people have
had very similar experiences--
they don't know each other.
The details that
they're describing
were not in the media.
They have nothing to gain by it.
They feel ashamed about it.
That's number one.
What I also heard,
that this was occurring
in children as young as
two or three years old.
That ruled out
personality explanations.
It's associated with
UFOs independently
observed by witnesses,
by media, by neighbors.
It's also associated
with physical findings.
And I said before, that
people, when examined,
are not psychiatrically
disturbed.
So the only thing that behaves
like that is real experience.
OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah, you say--
- Dreams do not behave--
--that's trauma--
trauma, that it's trauma.
JOHN MACK: It's traumatic.
- Yeah.
Real experiences are the only
thing that occurs like that.
Psychosis isn't like that.
Madness is not like that.
Dreams are not like that.
Fantasy is not like that.
Now, if these are real
experiences, what is going on?
What's the source of
these experiences?
Yeah, that's the question.
What's going on?
