>> Senator Bernie Sanders has some unexpected
allies when it comes to the whole debacle
between himself and Senator Elizabeth Warren.
This is following accusations that Bernie
allegedly told Warren that he didn't believe
a woman could become president.
Now, that story has been challenged quite
a bit, including here on this show, but it
was also challenged on MSNBC during a conversation
between Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough.
Take a look.
>> Senator Sanders, I do wanna be clear here,
you're saying that you never told Senator
Warren that a woman could not win the election.
>> That is correct.
>> Senator Warren, what did you think when
Senator Sanders told you a woman could not
win the election?
>> I am completely confused as to why it turned
from Bernie Sanders saying, I didn't say,
it to Elizabeth Warren being asked, what did
you think when he said it?
He says he didn't say it, so you turn to Elizabeth
Warren and say, did he say it?
That's the issue.
>> Bizarre.
>> That was bizarre.
>> I mean, it's bizarre.
>> It was.
>> What the heck happened there?
Are they listening?
Cuz you gotta listen when you do a debate
and then take the question to the next candidate.
>> She just missed.
>> You wouldn't have missed?
>> But you're waiting to go-
>> But this is the story.
>> Yeah, that was a miss.
>> By the way, I've had private conversations
taken to the press and totally manipulated
for the benefit of the person who was sharing
the story.
This happens all the time.
It's clear there was a misunderstanding or
Elizabeth Warren is focused on something that
was said.
And Bernie Sanders is not gonna be someone
who says, I don't think a woman can win.
That's just stupid.
>> Right, it would not be smart.
>> Also, Bernie went to her in 2015 and said,
hey, I think you can win, I think you should
run for president.
>> This is a terrible issue to bring up.
>> This is such small ball.
>> This is not the type of conversation I
would ever expect on Morning Joe.
Joe Scarborough isn't some progressive, neither
is Mika Brzezinski.
In fact, they've been a little hostile toward
progressives in the past, but I do respect
the fact that they shared this perspective.
And look, I also respect that Joe Scarborough
brought up how Bernie Sanders had encouraged
Elizabeth Warren to run in 2016.
And then once she decided that she didn't
want to do it, that was when he decided that
he would do it.
So why would he encourage a woman to run for
president if he doesn't believe that a woman
could win?
And why would he spend so much time campaigning
on behalf of Hillary Clinton in 2016 if he
thought that that was a fruitless effort and
a woman couldn't win?
It just doesn't make any sense.
>> No, yeah, and I'm glad that they they played
the moderators turn from Bernie, that was,
I know that I'm biased or whatever, but that
was unacceptable.
>> It really was.
>> You cannot do that and claim to be a journalist.
And it's been weird that a day has gone by
now since that and there hasn't, that I've
seen, been any acknowledgement that could
have been phrased differently.
I mean, look, you want to get Bernie on the
record and then obviously you have to ask
Warren about it.
If you would ask, Senator Warren, what is
your recollection of the conversation?
Senator Warren, exactly what do you remember
him saying?
>> Yeah.
>> Not, shut up Bernie, no, he said it Warren,
now tell me what you think about that.
You can't simply pretend that you know exactly
what happened.
I say I have a feeling that it was a miscommunication,
but I wouldn't say definitively there's no
way possibly that he said it.
>> Yeah, look I-
>> You can't you can't imply, you can't pretend
to be impartial and try to adjudicate reality
in that way.
>> I don't know what happened there.
Because, look, one thing that I do know, a
lot of broadcast journalists, if you wanna
call them journalists, will get a script or
talking points or a list of questions from
their producer, right?
So they read prompters and then they have
a set of prepared questions that were prepared
for them.
So they can go ahead and ask whoever they're
interviewing these specific questions.
And so if you pay close attention to a lot
of television news shows, there isn't a follow
up to something that the interviewee is saying.
They just go on to the next prepared question
for them.
So I'm curious if that's what happened here
with Abby Philip.
Because you can see her looking down and reading
questions.
See, you see her looking down and reading.
So I don't know if maybe she had this moment
where she wasn't paying close attention to
what Bernie said.
And she just moved on to the next pre-written
question.
I don't know, I'm speculating, right?
And I'm trying to give her the benefit of
doubt, but what happened that night was unacceptable.
And at this point, there should be some sort
of statement from her to explain what happened,
right?
At least to apologize.
>> Yeah, I mean, if we're to believe, and
I do believe, that all those questions are
written down, when you put the question, Bernie,
did you not say it?
And then you just state that he said it, you
should think, well, what if he denies it?
Then you can't just go with that order like
that.
And I think that if Bernie Sanders wasn't
hated by virtually everyone in Democratic
leadership, CNN would have to answer for this.
How dare you attack one of our candidates
in that completely unfair, so unfair that
your audience laughed at you, because of how
ridiculous it was, how could you do that?
But the thing is that most of those people
who are in charge of setting the debate schedule
and all that, they don't care, they like it.
They don't mind that one of the moderators
is unfair to Bernie Sanders.
>> You're right, I mean, they have a history
of being unfair, you're absolutely right about
that.
I'm gonna give us credit, I don't do this
ever, but, look, we don't have anyone write
questions for us before we do our interviews.
I mean-
>> I've have suggestions sometimes for my
producers.
I don't just deliver the exact questions that
they ask that they though and included Verified,
but I wanna give them credit, they do good
prep for interviews.
>> No, no, no, they do, no, let me just say
our producers are incredible, right?
But the way that we do things here at TYT
is very different from what you see in other
news outlets,
>> Yeah, we're not just reading a script.
>> Right, we're not reading a script, we don't
read a prompter.
And the reason why I'm giving us credit is
because when we interview people, we're having
a conversation.
So Asher Coffield, who's amazing, she's the
one who helps to produce the conversation,
she'll have a packet of information ready
for each interviewee.
Which we read so we can understand the background
of the person we're gonna talk to.
>> I've got some right here, actually, for
later.
>> I mean, it takes a lot of work, but she
might have some suggested questions, but no
one's ever in my ear, telling me, no, no,
stick to the script, ask this question.
And there's a lot of that in broadcast news.
And it's important to have a conversation
with the person you're talking to.
Otherwise it's going to be this weird fragmented
thing that doesn't make any sense.
>> Yeah, I mean, I even feel that same way
about us.
Like what I'm saying right now, the words
I'm saying are not on a teleprompter, I'm
not reading that.
>> Yeah.
>> And yet, like I was watching the Morning
Show, and it's like their banter is scripted.
That's the weirdest thing imaginable.
>> It is.
>> Obviously, I don't want to go on too much
of giving us credit, but, yeah, you should
have to be authentic.
And obviously there's negatives to that, but
there's positives as well.
When I interview someone, if they bring up
an interesting point, I will then follow that.
I don't feel like I have to stick to a particular
order.
>> Right, and it makes the it makes the conversation
a lot more interesting.
And it prevents incredibly awkward and unfair
elements like what we experienced with Abby
Phillip and Bernie Sanders last night.
>> Really fast, by focusing on CNN, I don't
wanna take Elizabeth Warren off the hook.
>> No.
>> It could have been worded differently,
the question could've been teed up differently.
But she's still responsible for the response
that she gave.
And that response, which she must have thought
about a whole bunch in advance of that debate,
was not good.
>> I 100% agree with you.
And shockingly, that wasn't the only time
that they defended Bernie Sanders on Morning
Joe.
The day before, you had Joe Scarborough share
his opinion of what was going on, and here
it is.
>> I'm not getting on anybody's side, but
do any of us really believe that Bernie Sanders
is gonna say, I don't think a woman can win,
Elizabeth?
No, who's gonna say that?
>> Yeah, at this point, I guess what's the
point in just saying, I think we all know
exactly what he said, and everyone agrees
with the sentiment.
>> Yeah, so the Bernie campaign would like
to drop this.
They don't want to harp on it, they don't
want to focus on it.
In fact, through this entire debacle, they've
been focusing on Joe Biden's war record, which
I think is a much more useful strategy to
help inform the public about the differences
between these candidates.
>> Yeah.
>> So let's go back to things that matter
and things that can be proven, things that
are demonstrable.
This whole debacle is nonsense and we're getting
conflicting messages from the Warren camp.
So this is a waste of time, doesn't help anyone,
we're done
with it.
