NICOLLE WALLACE STARTS RIGHT NOW.
NOW. >>> HI, EVERYONE, IT’S 4:00 IN
>>> HI, EVERYONE, IT’S 4:00 IN NEW YORK.
NEW YORK. DESPERATE TIMES CALL FOR
DESPERATE TIMES CALL FOR DESPERATE MEASURES AND WE’RE
DESPERATE MEASURES AND WE’RE WITNESSING BOTH TODAY FROM
WITNESSING BOTH TODAY FROM DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP. DESPERATE TIMES FOR PARTICULARLY
DESPERATE TIMES FOR PARTICULARLY AMASS CUE LIT PRESIDENT ACCUSED
AMASS CUE LIT PRESIDENT ACCUSED OF LYING ABOUT POLL NUMBERS,
OF LYING ABOUT POLL NUMBERS, POLL THAT’S HOE HIM TRAILING JOE
POLL THAT’S HOE HIM TRAILING JOE BIDEN BY DOUBLE DIGITS.
BIDEN BY DOUBLE DIGITS. CALLING THE NEWSPAPER THAT
CALLING THE NEWSPAPER THAT REPORTED ON HIS OWN
REPORTED ON HIS OWN ADMINISTRATION’S CYBER WAR
ADMINISTRATION’S CYBER WAR AGAINST RUSSIA, QUOTE, TREES US
AGAINST RUSSIA, QUOTE, TREES US IN TREES US IN AND HIS ANGRY
IN TREES US IN AND HIS ANGRY FEAR OF VLADIMIR PUTIN.
FEAR OF VLADIMIR PUTIN. AND WRITING -- SLUMPING IN THE
AND WRITING -- SLUMPING IN THE POLLS AND ATHE WAR WITH HIS
POLLS AND ATHE WAR WITH HIS POLITICAL RIVAL, PRESIDENT TRUMP
POLITICAL RIVAL, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SIGNALED A WILLINGNESS TO
HAS SIGNALED A WILLINGNESS TO ACT WITH IMMUNITY IN HIS DRIVE
ACT WITH IMMUNITY IN HIS DRIVE FOR RE-ELECTION.
FOR RE-ELECTION. TAKEN TOGETHER TRUMP’S RECENT
TAKEN TOGETHER TRUMP’S RECENT ACTIONS SET OFF NEW ALARM BELLS
ACTIONS SET OFF NEW ALARM BELLS AMONG LEGAL ANALYSTS AND
AMONG LEGAL ANALYSTS AND POLITICAL RIVALS WHO WARN THE
POLITICAL RIVALS WHO WARN THE PRESIDENT AND HIS AIDES HAVE
PRESIDENT AND HIS AIDES HAVE EMERGED FROM THE SCORCHED EARTH
EMERGED FROM THE SCORCHED EARTH BATTLE OVER THE SCANDALS OF
BATTLE OVER THE SCANDALS OF RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016
RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 ELECTION THAT THEY NEED NOT FEEL
ELECTION THAT THEY NEED NOT FEEL RESTRAINED BY THE SAFEGUARDS
RESTRAINED BY THE SAFEGUARDS BUILT INTO THE NATION’S
BUILT INTO THE NATION’S POLITICAL SYSTEM AS THEY LOOK TO
POLITICAL SYSTEM AS THEY LOOK TO 2020.
2020. AND IF WE ARE WATCHING A
AND IF WE ARE WATCHING A PRESIDENT WHO IS UNCONSTRAINED
PRESIDENT WHO IS UNCONSTRAINED BY NORMS, A BLOCKBUSTER REPORT
BY NORMS, A BLOCKBUSTER REPORT FROM "THE NEW YORK TIMES" SHOULD
FROM "THE NEW YORK TIMES" SHOULD CAUSE MORE ALARM.
CAUSE MORE ALARM. THE REPORTING WE’RE ABOUT TO
THE REPORTING WE’RE ABOUT TO SHARE WITH YOU EARNED THE PAPER
SHARE WITH YOU EARNED THE PAPER AN ACQUISITION OF COMMITTING
AN ACQUISITION OF COMMITTING TREASON FROM DONALD TRUMP FOR
TREASON FROM DONALD TRUMP FOR PUBLISHING A STORY THAT WOULD
PUBLISHING A STORY THAT WOULD COUNT AS GOOD NEWS FOR ANY
COUNT AS GOOD NEWS FOR ANY NORMAL WHITE HOUSE.
NORMAL WHITE HOUSE. IT’S ABOUT AMERICA, GOOD GUYS,
IT’S ABOUT AMERICA, GOOD GUYS, STRENGTHENING OUR CYBER OFFENSE
STRENGTHENING OUR CYBER OFFENSE AGAINST RUSSIA.
AGAINST RUSSIA. THESE DAYS THE BAD GUYS.
THESE DAYS THE BAD GUYS. HERE’S SOME OF THAT STORY,
HERE’S SOME OF THAT STORY, QUOTE, THE U.S. IS STEPPING UP
QUOTE, THE U.S. IS STEPPING UP DIGITAL INCURSIONS INTO RUSSIA’S
DIGITAL INCURSIONS INTO RUSSIA’S ELECTRIC POWER GRID IN A WARNING
ELECTRIC POWER GRID IN A WARNING TO PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN.
TO PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN. BUT THE STORY ADDS PENTAGON AND
BUT THE STORY ADDS PENTAGON AND INTEL OFFICIALS DESCRIBE BROAD
INTEL OFFICIALS DESCRIBE BROAD HESITATION TO GO INTO DETAIL
HESITATION TO GO INTO DETAIL WITH TRUMP ABOUT OPERATIONS
WITH TRUMP ABOUT OPERATIONS AGAINST RUSSIA FOR CONCERN OVER
AGAINST RUSSIA FOR CONCERN OVER HIS REACTION AND THE POSSIBILITY
HIS REACTION AND THE POSSIBILITY THAT HE MIGHT COUNTERMANDATE OR
THAT HE MIGHT COUNTERMANDATE OR DISCUSS IT WITH FOREIGN
DISCUSS IT WITH FOREIGN OFFICIALS, AS HE DID IN 2017
OFFICIALS, AS HE DID IN 2017 WHEN HE MENTIONED A SENSITIVE
WHEN HE MENTIONED A SENSITIVE OPERATION IN SYRIA TO THE
OPERATION IN SYRIA TO THE RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTER.
RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTER. AND THE AFOREMENTIONED ATTACKS
AND THE AFOREMENTIONED ATTACKS ON THE PRESIDENT FOR REPORTING
ON THE PRESIDENT FOR REPORTING THAT THE U.S. IS ON OFFENSE
THAT THE U.S. IS ON OFFENSE AGAINST RUSSIA.
AGAINST RUSSIA. HE WROTE THIS, QUOTE, THIS IS A
HE WROTE THIS, QUOTE, THIS IS A VIRTUAL ACT OF TREASON BY A ONCE
VIRTUAL ACT OF TREASON BY A ONCE GREAT PAPER, SO DESPERATE FOR A
GREAT PAPER, SO DESPERATE FOR A STORY, ANY STORY, EVEN IF BAD
STORY, ANY STORY, EVEN IF BAD FOR OUR COUNTRY.
FOR OUR COUNTRY. ALSO, NOT TRUE.
ALSO, NOT TRUE. NOW ANYONE TRAINED IN PATTERN
NOW ANYONE TRAINED IN PATTERN RECOGNITION CAN SEE SOMETHING
RECOGNITION CAN SEE SOMETHING PRETTY OBVIOUS FROM THIS
PRETTY OBVIOUS FROM THIS PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. DONALD TRUMP IS GLEEFUL TO BE ON
DONALD TRUMP IS GLEEFUL TO BE ON OFFENSE AGAINST LONGTIME U.S.
OFFENSE AGAINST LONGTIME U.S. ALLIES, THE FBI, DOJ, CONGRESS,
ALLIES, THE FBI, DOJ, CONGRESS, ISLAND OF PUERTO RICO,
ISLAND OF PUERTO RICO, DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, ACTORS,
DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, ACTORS, SINGERS, THE CAST OF "HAMILTON,"
SINGERS, THE CAST OF "HAMILTON," "THE NEW YORK TIMES," CNN REALLY
"THE NEW YORK TIMES," CNN REALLY ANYONE, ANYONE EXCEPT RUSSIA.
ANYONE, ANYONE EXCEPT RUSSIA. >> RUSSIA, IF YOU’RE LISTENING,
>> RUSSIA, IF YOU’RE LISTENING, I HOPE YOU’RE ABLE TO FIND THE
I HOPE YOU’RE ABLE TO FIND THE 30,000 EMAILS THAT ARE MISSING.
30,000 EMAILS THAT ARE MISSING. I BELIEVE THAT PRESIDENT PUTIN
I BELIEVE THAT PRESIDENT PUTIN REALLY FEELS -- AND HE FEELS
REALLY FEELS -- AND HE FEELS STRONGLY -- THAT HE DID NOT
STRONGLY -- THAT HE DID NOT MEDDLE IN OUR ELECTION.
MEDDLE IN OUR ELECTION. I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE IN MY
I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE IN MY INTELLIGENCE PEOPLE, BUT I WILL
INTELLIGENCE PEOPLE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT PRESIDENT PUTIN
TELL YOU THAT PRESIDENT PUTIN WAS EXTREMELY STRONG AND
WAS EXTREMELY STRONG AND POWERFUL IN HIS DENIAL TODAY.
POWERFUL IN HIS DENIAL TODAY. THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO SAID WE
THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO SAID WE HAVE INFORMATION ON YOUR
HAVE INFORMATION ON YOUR OPPONENT.
OPPONENT. OH, LET ME CALL THE FBI.
OH, LET ME CALL THE FBI. GIVE ME A BREAK.
GIVE ME A BREAK. LIFE DOESN’T WORK THAT WAY.
LIFE DOESN’T WORK THAT WAY. >> THE FBI DIRECTOR SAID THAT’S
>> THE FBI DIRECTOR SAID THAT’S WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN.
WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN. >> THE FBI DIRECTOR IS WRONG.
>> THE FBI DIRECTOR IS WRONG. >> AND THAT IS WHERE WE START
>> AND THAT IS WHERE WE START TODAY WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE
TODAY WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS AND FRIENDS.
REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. FROM BIMINGHAM, FORMER U.S.
FROM BIMINGHAM, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY JOYCE VANCE WITH US ON
ATTORNEY JOYCE VANCE WITH US ON SET, JOHN HEILEMANN NBC AND
SET, JOHN HEILEMANN NBC AND MSNBC NATIONAL AFFAIRS ANALYST,
MSNBC NATIONAL AFFAIRS ANALYST, BEN RHODES, FORMER DEPUTY
BEN RHODES, FORMER DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER FOR
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA, AND POLITICS
PRESIDENT OBAMA, AND POLITICS EDITOR FOR "THE DAILY BEAST" SAM
EDITOR FOR "THE DAILY BEAST" SAM STEIN, BEN RHODES.
STEIN, BEN RHODES. I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO SAY
I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ANYMORE.
ANYMORE. THAT’S WHY WE SHOW THE TAPE AND
THAT’S WHY WE SHOW THE TAPE AND REPORTING.
REPORTING. IT ALL SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
IT ALL SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. UP IS DOWN, DOWN IS UP, GOOD IS
UP IS DOWN, DOWN IS UP, GOOD IS BAD, BAD IS GOOD AND IT’S NEVER
BAD, BAD IS GOOD AND IT’S NEVER RUSSIA’S FAULT.
RUSSIA’S FAULT. EVEN WHEN HIS OWN GOVERNMENT IS
EVEN WHEN HIS OWN GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO PROTECT U.S. FROM
TRYING TO PROTECT U.S. FROM RUSSIA.
RUSSIA. >> FIRST OF ALL U. IT’S NOT
>> FIRST OF ALL U. IT’S NOT UNCOMMON WANT TO AT LEAST HAVE
UNCOMMON WANT TO AT LEAST HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO HAVE A CYBER
THE CAPABILITY TO HAVE A CYBER OFFENSIVE OPTION.
OFFENSIVE OPTION. LET ME TELL YOU, RUSSIA
LET ME TELL YOU, RUSSIA CERTAINLY DOES, RIGHT?
CERTAINLY DOES, RIGHT? AND THE FACT DONALD TRUMP IS AN
AND THE FACT DONALD TRUMP IS AN IMPEDIMENT TO HIS OWN GOVERNMENT
IMPEDIMENT TO HIS OWN GOVERNMENT DOING WHAT’S IN THE INTEREST UT
DOING WHAT’S IN THE INTEREST UT UNITED STATES,KY TELL YOU
UNITED STATES,KY TELL YOU VLADIMIR PUTIN ASSURES NO SUCH
VLADIMIR PUTIN ASSURES NO SUCH RESERVATION ABOUT ATTACKING OUR
RESERVATION ABOUT ATTACKING OUR DEMOCRACY AND PROBING OUR POWER
DEMOCRACY AND PROBING OUR POWER GRID.
GRID. YOU HAVE SOMEBODY ONCE AGAIN IN
YOU HAVE SOMEBODY ONCE AGAIN IN DONALD TRUMP PUTTING HIS OWN
DONALD TRUMP PUTTING HIS OWN INTEREST AHEAD OF THE COUNTRY’S.
INTEREST AHEAD OF THE COUNTRY’S. REALLY NICOLLE, THIS IS PART OF
REALLY NICOLLE, THIS IS PART OF A PATTERN.
A PATTERN. YOU HAVE SEEN HIM ALSO NOT JUST
YOU HAVE SEEN HIM ALSO NOT JUST IN DOG WHISTLES BUT INVITE
IN DOG WHISTLES BUT INVITE RUSSIA BACK INTO OUR 2020
RUSSIA BACK INTO OUR 2020 ELECTION ON HIS BEHALF, SAYING
ELECTION ON HIS BEHALF, SAYING THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH
THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH ACCEPTING THAT KIND OF HELP.
ACCEPTING THAT KIND OF HELP. WE SHOULD BE WORRIED HERE WE
WE SHOULD BE WORRIED HERE WE HAVE SOMEONE IN CHARGE OF OUR
HAVE SOMEONE IN CHARGE OF OUR GOVERNMENT WHO DOESN’T SEE THAT
GOVERNMENT WHO DOESN’T SEE THAT GOVERNMENT IS SIEVING AN
GOVERNMENT IS SIEVING AN INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE,
INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, DEFENDING A DEMOCRACY, BUT
DEFENDING A DEMOCRACY, BUT RATHER HE’S FOCUSED ON WHAT CAN
RATHER HE’S FOCUSED ON WHAT CAN HE DO FOR HIS OWN POLITICAL
HE DO FOR HIS OWN POLITICAL INTERESTS.
INTERESTS. IF HE HAS TO TOSS ASIDE NORMS,
IF HE HAS TO TOSS ASIDE NORMS, IF HE HAS TO OSASIDE OUR OWN
IF HE HAS TO OSASIDE OUR OWN SECURITY OR THROW HIS
SECURITY OR THROW HIS INTELLIGENCE SECURITY UNDER THE
INTELLIGENCE SECURITY UNDER THE BUS, THAT’S SOMETHING HE WILL
BUS, THAT’S SOMETHING HE WILL DO.
DO. TO CALL THIS TREESREASONOUS AND
TO CALL THIS TREESREASONOUS AND IT’S NOT TRUE, IT CAN’T BE BOTH.
IT’S NOT TRUE, IT CAN’T BE BOTH. IF HE THINKS IT’S TREASONOUS AND
IF HE THINKS IT’S TREASONOUS AND BY DEFINITION IT’S TRUE, AND
BY DEFINITION IT’S TRUE, AND THAT REPORTING IS SUGGESTING
THAT REPORTING IS SUGGESTING THEY WENT TO THE NATIONAL
THEY WENT TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL FOR COMMENT,
SECURITY COUNCIL FOR COMMENT, THEY DID NOT REFUTE THE STORY.
THEY DID NOT REFUTE THE STORY. THEY DID NOT SAY THIS IS AGAINST
THEY DID NOT SAY THIS IS AGAINST OUR NATIONAL SECURITY INTEREST.
OUR NATIONAL SECURITY INTEREST. SO HIS OWN ADMINISTRATION
SO HIS OWN ADMINISTRATION DOESN’T AGREE WITH THESE TWEETS.
DOESN’T AGREE WITH THESE TWEETS. >> SO LET’S UNPACK SOME OF THAT.
>> SO LET’S UNPACK SOME OF THAT. YOU AND I WORKED INSIDE THE
YOU AND I WORKED INSIDE THE GOVERNMENT WHEN THESE ATHLETES
GOVERNMENT WHEN THESE ATHLETES WITH "THE NEW YORK TIMES" HAVE
WITH "THE NEW YORK TIMES" HAVE CALLED WITH SCOOPS LIKE THIS.
CALLED WITH SCOOPS LIKE THIS. IN OUR INSTANCE IT WAS A LOT OF
IN OUR INSTANCE IT WAS A LOT OF THE COUNTERTERROR PROGRAMS PUT
THE COUNTERTERROR PROGRAMS PUT IN PLACE AFTER 9/11.
IN PLACE AFTER 9/11. "THE NEW YORK TIMES" CAME TO US
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" CAME TO US WHEN THEY LEARNED ABOUT THE
WHEN THEY LEARNED ABOUT THE METADATA PROGRAM.
METADATA PROGRAM. WE DIDN’T WANT THAT IN THE
WE DIDN’T WANT THAT IN THE NEWSPAPER.
NEWSPAPER. WE THOUGHT IT WOULD TAKE AWAY A
WE THOUGHT IT WOULD TAKE AWAY A PROGRAM, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD
PROGRAM, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD TELL THE TERRORISTS ONE OF THE
TELL THE TERRORISTS ONE OF THE WAYS WE WERE TRACKING THEM,
WAYS WE WERE TRACKING THEM, THROUGH THEIR PHONE RECORDS.
THROUGH THEIR PHONE RECORDS. AND THAT PARAGRAPH IN THAT STORY
AND THAT PARAGRAPH IN THAT STORY GAVE ME CHILLS.
GAVE ME CHILLS. THEY PUT IN -- USUALLY YOU JUST
THEY PUT IN -- USUALLY YOU JUST LEARN THAT IF YOU’RE "THE NEW
LEARN THAT IF YOU’RE "THE NEW YORK TIMES" OR "DAILY NEWS."
YORK TIMES" OR "DAILY NEWS." USUALLY YOU GET THAT PIECE OF
USUALLY YOU GET THAT PIECE OF INFORMATION AND HAVE MORE
INFORMATION AND HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE PUBLISHING.
CONFIDENCE PUBLISHING. THAT THEY PUT THAT PARAGRAPH IN
THAT THEY PUT THAT PARAGRAPH IN THE STORY, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF
THE STORY, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF PUTTING IN THE NEWSPAPER, WE
PUTTING IN THE NEWSPAPER, WE CALLED TO MAKE SURE THAT BY
CALLED TO MAKE SURE THAT BY PUBLISHING A CYBER PROGRAM THAT
PUBLISHING A CYBER PROGRAM THAT THE PENTAGON WAS PUTTING IN
THE PENTAGON WAS PUTTING IN PLACE AS AN OFFENSIVE MEASURE
PLACE AS AN OFFENSIVE MEASURE AGAINST RUSSIA, WE WERE NOT
AGAINST RUSSIA, WE WERE NOT JEOPARDIZING NATIONAL SECURITY,
JEOPARDIZING NATIONAL SECURITY, AND WE WERE TOLD WE WERE NOT.
AND WE WERE TOLD WE WERE NOT. TO PUT THAT IN THE PAPER TO ME
TO PUT THAT IN THE PAPER TO ME JUST REEKED OF VERY HIGH-LEVEL
JUST REEKED OF VERY HIGH-LEVEL CONFIRMATION OF THAT ACCOUNT.
CONFIRMATION OF THAT ACCOUNT. >> YES, I HAVE BEEN ON THE OTHER
>> YES, I HAVE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT.
SIDE OF THAT. >> ME TOO.
>> ME TOO. >> INCLUDING CYBER STORIES AND I
>> INCLUDING CYBER STORIES AND I HAD TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND
HAD TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND SAY --
SAY -- >> ME TOO --
>> ME TOO -- >> -- THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
>> -- THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD COMPROMISE US IF IT COMES
COULD COMPROMISE US IF IT COMES OUT IN THE PAPER.
OUT IN THE PAPER. AND THE FACT THEY GOT IS NO
AND THE FACT THEY GOT IS NO RESPONSE SIGNALS THERE’S NOT A
RESPONSE SIGNALS THERE’S NOT A NATIONAL SECURITY CONCERN AND,
NATIONAL SECURITY CONCERN AND, IN FACT, THE RUSSIANS KNOW WE
IN FACT, THE RUSSIANS KNOW WE WOULD BE DOING THIS.
WOULD BE DOING THIS. IT’S NOT A SURPRISE TO RUSSIA,
IT’S NOT A SURPRISE TO RUSSIA, CHINA OR THE UNITED STATES THAT
CHINA OR THE UNITED STATES THAT THERE MIGHT BE CYBER OPERATIONS
THERE MIGHT BE CYBER OPERATIONS TAKING PLACE.
TAKING PLACE. IT’S SO BIZARRE.
IT’S SO BIZARRE. WHY DID HE FEEL THE NEED TO
WHY DID HE FEEL THE NEED TO COMMENT ON THIS?
COMMENT ON THIS? WHY NOT SAY NOTHING?
WHY NOT SAY NOTHING? >> ISN’T THE NORMAL RESPONSE GO,
>> ISN’T THE NORMAL RESPONSE GO, TEAM U.S.A.?
TEAM U.S.A.? >> THE NORMAL RESPONSE WOULD BE
>> THE NORMAL RESPONSE WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD SAY IN OFFICE,
WHAT WE WOULD SAY IN OFFICE, YES, WE HAVE CERTAIN CYBER
YES, WE HAVE CERTAIN CYBER OFFENSIVE CAPABILITIES.
OFFENSIVE CAPABILITIES. WE’RE GOING TO DO WHAT’S
WE’RE GOING TO DO WHAT’S NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE UNITED
NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE UNITED STATES AND WE’RE NOT GOING TO
STATES AND WE’RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT.
TALK ABOUT IT. WANT THE RUSSIANS TO THINK
WANT THE RUSSIANS TO THINK THERE’S CAPABILITY WE HAVE.
THERE’S CAPABILITY WE HAVE. WHAT TRUMP IS SAYING IS VLADIMIR
WHAT TRUMP IS SAYING IS VLADIMIR PUTIN, DON’T WORRY, I’M NOT
PUTIN, DON’T WORRY, I’M NOT GOING TO LET THIS GO TOO FAR.
GOING TO LET THIS GO TOO FAR. >> I HAVE TWO POINTS HERE.
>> I HAVE TWO POINTS HERE. ONE IS A QUESTION.
ONE IS A QUESTION. FIRST IS, YES, HE DIDN’T HAVE TO
FIRST IS, YES, HE DIDN’T HAVE TO PUBLICLY SAY IT WASN’T TRUE.
PUBLICLY SAY IT WASN’T TRUE. HE COULD HAVE DONE A PRIVATE
HE COULD HAVE DONE A PRIVATE DISCUSSION SAYING THIS IS A LIE.
DISCUSSION SAYING THIS IS A LIE. BUT THE PART OF THE PIECE I’M
BUT THE PART OF THE PIECE I’M CURIOUS ABOUT IS ESSENTIALLY HIS
CURIOUS ABOUT IS ESSENTIALLY HIS OWN STAFF WAS KEEPING HIM OUT OF
OWN STAFF WAS KEEPING HIM OUT OF THE LOOP ON SOME OF THESE OWN
THE LOOP ON SOME OF THESE OWN MEASURES, THERE’S AN OBVIOUS
MEASURES, THERE’S AN OBVIOUS ETHICAL DILEMMA TO NOT HAVING
ETHICAL DILEMMA TO NOT HAVING THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF KNOW
THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF KNOW ABOUT THESE TYPE OF PROGRAMS.
ABOUT THESE TYPE OF PROGRAMS. I’M CURIOUS WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS
I’M CURIOUS WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE FOR WHETHER THAT WAS A WISE
ARE FOR WHETHER THAT WAS A WISE MOVE, WHETHER THAT’S THE RIGHT
MOVE, WHETHER THAT’S THE RIGHT MOVE, AND WHAT THAT MIGHT HAVE
MOVE, AND WHAT THAT MIGHT HAVE SUGGESTED ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S
SUGGESTED ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S RESPONSE TO THIS?
RESPONSE TO THIS? >> WELL, I THINK IT SPEAKS TO A
>> WELL, I THINK IT SPEAKS TO A BROADER DYSFUNCTION AND THE WAY
BROADER DYSFUNCTION AND THE WAY THE NATIONAL SECURITY POLICY IS
THE NATIONAL SECURITY POLICY IS MADE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION.
MADE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION. YOU SEE THIS ON MULTIPLE ISSUES.
YOU SEE THIS ON MULTIPLE ISSUES. YOU SAW A FEW WEEKS AGO IRAN,
YOU SAW A FEW WEEKS AGO IRAN, THE OTHER BIG STORY IN THE NEWS,
THE OTHER BIG STORY IN THE NEWS, WE’RE MOVING AIRCRAFT CARRIERS,
WE’RE MOVING AIRCRAFT CARRIERS, ISSUING STERN WARNINGS FROM JOHN
ISSUING STERN WARNINGS FROM JOHN BOLTON AND MIKE POMPEO AND TRUMP
BOLTON AND MIKE POMPEO AND TRUMP COMES DOWN AND SAYS WE’RE NOT
COMES DOWN AND SAYS WE’RE NOT TRYING TO STAR A WAR HERE AND I
TRYING TO STAR A WAR HERE AND I WANTED SAY YOU MIGHT WANT TO
WANTED SAY YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK WITH THE NATIONAL SECURITY
CHECK WITH THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER DOWN THE HALL.
ADVISER DOWN THE HALL. HE HAS A PLAN YOU DON’T KNOW
HE HAS A PLAN YOU DON’T KNOW ABOUT.
ABOUT. >> BUT THAT’S THE QUESTION,
>> BUT THAT’S THE QUESTION, SHOULD HE BE PUT IN THE LOOP ON
SHOULD HE BE PUT IN THE LOOP ON THESE THINGS?
THESE THINGS? ULTIMATELY HE’S THE PRESIDENT.
ULTIMATELY HE’S THE PRESIDENT. I’M BEING SERIOUS, DO THEY NEED
I’M BEING SERIOUS, DO THEY NEED TO GO AROUND HIM OR SHOULD THEY
TO GO AROUND HIM OR SHOULD THEY BRIEF HIM ON THESE THINGS?
BRIEF HIM ON THESE THINGS? >> WE’RE IN A DEMOCRACY,
>> WE’RE IN A DEMOCRACY, ULTIMATELY HE HAS TO BE IN THE
ULTIMATELY HE HAS TO BE IN THE LOOP ON THESE THINGS K THE.
LOOP ON THESE THINGS K THE. BUT THE COMBINATION OF HIS
BUT THE COMBINATION OF HIS DISINTEREST, I DON’T GET THE
DISINTEREST, I DON’T GET THE SENSE HE WANTS TO DIG DOWN ON
SENSE HE WANTS TO DIG DOWN ON CYBERSECURITY OR ANY OTHER ISSUE
CYBERSECURITY OR ANY OTHER ISSUE FOR THAT MATTER, IF YOU COMBINE
FOR THAT MATTER, IF YOU COMBINE THAT WITH THE FACT THEY MIGHT
THAT WITH THE FACT THEY MIGHT NOT WANT HIM TO VETO SOMETHING,
NOT WANT HIM TO VETO SOMETHING, THEY’RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF HIS
THEY’RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF HIS GENERAL DISINTEREST AND
GENERAL DISINTEREST AND DISINCLINATION TO BE ON TOP OF
DISINCLINATION TO BE ON TOP OF HIS OWN GOVERNMENT.
HIS OWN GOVERNMENT. >> LET ME JUST BRING YOU INTO
>> LET ME JUST BRING YOU INTO THIS, HEILEMANN, AND ASK YOU IF
THIS, HEILEMANN, AND ASK YOU IF WE’RE NOT TALKING AROUND
WE’RE NOT TALKING AROUND SOMETHING.
SOMETHING. THEY DON’T TELL HIM ABOUT IT
THEY DON’T TELL HIM ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY THINK HE’S GOING TO
BECAUSE THEY THINK HE’S GOING TO CALL AND TELL RUSSIA JUST LIKE
CALL AND TELL RUSSIA JUST LIKE HE DID IN THE OVAL WITH THE
HE DID IN THE OVAL WITH THE KISSLY ACT.
KISSLY ACT. >> I KNOW YOU GUYS, YOU ARE
>> I KNOW YOU GUYS, YOU ARE HAVING THE QUAINTEST, ODDEST
HAVING THE QUAINTEST, ODDEST CONVERSATION I EVER HEARD.
CONVERSATION I EVER HEARD. >> 2012 IS CALLING AND THEY WANT
>> 2012 IS CALLING AND THEY WANT THEIR ROUNDTABLE BACK.
THEIR ROUNDTABLE BACK. >> YOU’RE SAYING WELL, YOU KNOW,
>> YOU’RE SAYING WELL, YOU KNOW, THE PRESIDENT -- IT WOULD BE IN
THE PRESIDENT -- IT WOULD BE IN A NORMAL WHITE HOUSE THE
A NORMAL WHITE HOUSE THE PRESIDENT WOULD NOT COMMENT ON
PRESIDENT WOULD NOT COMMENT ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SOMETHING LIKE THIS. IT’S, FIRST OF ALL, IT’S NOT A
IT’S, FIRST OF ALL, IT’S NOT A NORMAL WHITE HOUSE.
NORMAL WHITE HOUSE. SECOND OF ALL, THE PRESIDENT
SECOND OF ALL, THE PRESIDENT COMMENTS ON EVERYTHING.
COMMENTS ON EVERYTHING. NOT SAYING IT’S GOOD, NOT SAYING
NOT SAYING IT’S GOOD, NOT SAYING IT’S EXCEPTIONAL BUT WHAT DOES
IT’S EXCEPTIONAL BUT WHAT DOES TRUMP NOT COMMENT ON?
TRUMP NOT COMMENT ON? IN WHAT WE DO WE EVER -- IT WAS
IN WHAT WE DO WE EVER -- IT WAS SO FAR PAST APPLYING ANY KIND OF
SO FAR PAST APPLYING ANY KIND OF A NORMAL FRAMEWORK FOR
A NORMAL FRAMEWORK FOR EVALUATING HIS BEHAVIOR AND
EVALUATING HIS BEHAVIOR AND THAT’S THE SAIL THING WITH YOU.
THAT’S THE SAIL THING WITH YOU. AGAIN, I’M NOT TRYING TO SAY YOU
AGAIN, I’M NOT TRYING TO SAY YOU GUYS ARE NOT RIGHT.
GUYS ARE NOT RIGHT. IN A NORMAL WHITE HOUSE THESE
IN A NORMAL WHITE HOUSE THESE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS WOULD BE
COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS WOULD BE RIGHT QUESTIONS.
RIGHT QUESTIONS. BUT IN THIS WHITE HOUSE YOU LOOK
BUT IN THIS WHITE HOUSE YOU LOOK AND SAY WELL, HE COMES IN
AND SAY WELL, HE COMES IN EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING. SECOND OF UL, YOU’RE GETTING TO
SECOND OF UL, YOU’RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE YOU’RE ASKING
THE POINT WHERE YOU’RE ASKING THE REAL QUESTION, THE NATIONAL
THE REAL QUESTION, THE NATIONAL SECURITY ESTABLISHMENT IN A
SECURITY ESTABLISHMENT IN A NORMAL DEMOCRACY WITH A NORMAL
NORMAL DEMOCRACY WITH A NORMAL PRESIDENT WHO HAD AMERICA’S BEST
PRESIDENT WHO HAD AMERICA’S BEST INTEREST AT HEART, OF COURSE,
INTEREST AT HEART, OF COURSE, WOULD HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL
WOULD HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRATIC AND OTHER
DEMOCRATIC AND OTHER RESPONSIBILITY TO NOTIFY THE
RESPONSIBILITY TO NOTIFY THE PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. BUT CLEARLY WHAT’S GOING ON IS
BUT CLEARLY WHAT’S GOING ON IS MUCH OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY
MUCH OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY ESTABLISHMENT WITH MR. TRUMP
ESTABLISHMENT WITH MR. TRUMP SAID HE’S NOT FULLY ON BOARD
SAID HE’S NOT FULLY ON BOARD WITH THE OBJECTIVES THAT WE’RE
WITH THE OBJECTIVES THAT WE’RE PURSUING BY TRYING TO KEEP
PURSUING BY TRYING TO KEEP RUSSIA AT BAY.
RUSSIA AT BAY. THEY THINK OR SUSPECT --
THEY THINK OR SUSPECT -- >> DO YOU SEE AN ETHICAL
>> DO YOU SEE AN ETHICAL DILEMMA?
DILEMMA? >> NO, WHAT I SEE IS A HUGE
>> NO, WHAT I SEE IS A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THE PRESIDENT OF
PROBLEM WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WHOSE
THE UNITED STATES WHOSE LOYALTIES ARE IN QUESTION AMONG
LOYALTIES ARE IN QUESTION AMONG HIS OWN NATIONAL SECURITY
HIS OWN NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISERS, WHICH IS I THINK THE
ADVISERS, WHICH IS I THINK THE REAL PROBLEM.
REAL PROBLEM. NOT THAT THEY’RE DOING SOMETHING
NOT THAT THEY’RE DOING SOMETHING UNETHICAL BUT THEY HAVE A
UNETHICAL BUT THEY HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT IS SO FAR OUTSIDE
PRESIDENT THAT IS SO FAR OUTSIDE THE NORMS THAT THEY HAVE TO --
THE NORMS THAT THEY HAVE TO -- >> JUST PLAYING DEVIL’S
>> JUST PLAYING DEVIL’S ADVOCATE, BUT WE DID NOT ELECT
ADVOCATE, BUT WE DID NOT ELECT THESE NATIONAL SECURITY
THESE NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIALS.
OFFICIALS. WE EE LEGISLATEDLECTED A PRESIDE
WE EE LEGISLATEDLECTED A PRESIDE SHOULD THEY NOT BE DOING HIS
SHOULD THEY NOT BE DOING HIS WORLD VISION?
WORLD VISION? >> I THINK THEY SHOULD BE BUT
>> I THINK THEY SHOULD BE BUT FOR A LONG TIME THEY LOOKED AT
FOR A LONG TIME THEY LOOKED AT PRESIDENT TRUMP AND SAID WE HAVE
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND SAID WE HAVE TO TAILOR THE INFORMATION
TO TAILOR THE INFORMATION BECAUSE HE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND
BECAUSE HE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEX INFORMATION, HE
THE COMPLEX INFORMATION, HE DOESN’T WANT TO READ THE
DOESN’T WANT TO READ THE BRIEFING BOOK, WE HAVE TO SHOW
BRIEFING BOOK, WE HAVE TO SHOW HIM PICTURES.
HIM PICTURES. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS WHERE THE NATIONAL SECURITY
WHERE THE NATIONAL SECURITY ESTABLISHMENT IS DOING ALL KINDS
ESTABLISHMENT IS DOING ALL KINDS OF THINGS TO ACCOMMODATE A PRZ
OF THINGS TO ACCOMMODATE A PRZ WHO IS NOT LIKE ANY OTHER
WHO IS NOT LIKE ANY OTHER PRESIDENT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE
PRESIDENT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE.
UNITED STATES BEFORE. >> BUT TALKING ABOUT THE FACT
>> BUT TALKING ABOUT THE FACT DONALD TRUMP’S CONDUCT WAS SO
DONALD TRUMP’S CONDUCT WAS SO SUSPICIOUS THAT ACTING FBI
SUSPICIOUS THAT ACTING FBI DIRECTOR ANDY McCABE OPENED A
DIRECTOR ANDY McCABE OPENED A FULL-FLEDGE INVESTIGATION TO
FULL-FLEDGE INVESTIGATION TO ANSWER THE QUESTION IS HE A
ANSWER THE QUESTION IS HE A RUSSIAN AGENT?
RUSSIAN AGENT? NOT ONLY IS THIS CONVERSATION
NOT ONLY IS THIS CONVERSATION OUT OF A TIME CAPSULE, WE’RE
OUT OF A TIME CAPSULE, WE’RE ALSO NOT ADDRESSING THE CENTRAL
ALSO NOT ADDRESSING THE CENTRAL QUESTION, IT AND WHILE ROBERT
QUESTION, IT AND WHILE ROBERT MUELLER DIDN’T PROVE A CRIMINAL
MUELLER DIDN’T PROVE A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY WITH RUSSIA, THE
CONSPIRACY WITH RUSSIA, THE TRUTH IS DONALD TRUMP AND
TRUTH IS DONALD TRUMP AND EVERYONE AROUND HIM IS LEANING
EVERYONE AROUND HIM IS LEANING IN TO, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO SEE
IN TO, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO SEE COLLUSION, PEOPLE, 2016 WAS
COLLUSION, PEOPLE, 2016 WAS NOTHING.
NOTHING. HERE’S WHAT WE GOT COMING IN
HERE’S WHAT WE GOT COMING IN 2020.
2020. WATCH THIS, JOYCE, AND LET’S
WATCH THIS, JOYCE, AND LET’S TALK ABOUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
TALK ABOUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE. >> THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH
>> THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING INFORMATION FROM
TAKING INFORMATION FROM RUSSIANS.
RUSSIANS. >> THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH
>> THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING --
TAKING -- >> IT DEPENDS ON WHERE IT CAME
>> IT DEPENDS ON WHERE IT CAME FROM.
FROM. >> QUITE FRANKLY, THE WHOLE
>> QUITE FRANKLY, THE WHOLE THING IS A BIG DISTRACTION FOR
THING IS A BIG DISTRACTION FOR THE COUNTRY.
THE COUNTRY. YOU LOOK AT WHAT RUSSIA DID,
YOU LOOK AT WHAT RUSSIA DID, BUYING SOME FACEBOOK ADS TO SOW
BUYING SOME FACEBOOK ADS TO SOW DISSENT, IT’S A TERRIBLE THING
DISSENT, IT’S A TERRIBLE THING BUT I THINK THE INVESTIGATIONS
BUT I THINK THE INVESTIGATIONS AND ALL OF THE SPECULATION
AND ALL OF THE SPECULATION THAT’S HAPPENED THE LAST TWO
THAT’S HAPPENED THE LAST TWO YEARS HAD A, HARSHER ATTACKS ON
YEARS HAD A, HARSHER ATTACKS ON DEMOCRACY THAN A COUPLE FACEBOOK
DEMOCRACY THAN A COUPLE FACEBOOK ADS.
ADS. >> IT WAS A JOKE THAT THERE’S
>> IT WAS A JOKE THAT THERE’S OBVIOUSLY NEVER ANY HELP FROM
OBVIOUSLY NEVER ANY HELP FROM THE RUSSIANS.
THE RUSSIANS. >> JOYCE, THEY’RE EXPERTS IF AT
>> JOYCE, THEY’RE EXPERTS IF AT NOTHING ELSE MOVING THE GOAL
NOTHING ELSE MOVING THE GOAL POSTS.
POSTS. I GUESS I’M OLD ENOUGH TO
I GUESS I’M OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHEN DONALD TRUMP STOOD
REMEMBER WHEN DONALD TRUMP STOOD IN THE EAST ROOM AND SAID THERE
IN THE EAST ROOM AND SAID THERE WAS NO COLLUSION.
WAS NO COLLUSION. I DON’T EVEN KNOW ANY RUSSIANS.
I DON’T EVEN KNOW ANY RUSSIANS. NOW EARN FROM HIS CAMPAIGN
NOW EARN FROM HIS CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN TO HIS SON-IN-LAW TO
CHAIRMAN TO HIS SON-IN-LAW TO WHATEVER TITLE RUDY HOLDS THIS
WHATEVER TITLE RUDY HOLDS THIS WEEK, THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH
WEEK, THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH TALKING TO RUSSIA.
TALKING TO RUSSIA. AND MOST RECENTLY DONALD TRUMP
AND MOST RECENTLY DONALD TRUMP WITH GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, DAMN
WITH GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, DAMN RIGHT I’D LISTEN TO RUSSIA.
RIGHT I’D LISTEN TO RUSSIA. >> IT’S A NEW WORLD, RIGHT.
>> IT’S A NEW WORLD, RIGHT. COLLUSION IS GOOD.
COLLUSION IS GOOD. WE SHOULD ALL DO IT SEEMS TO BE
WE SHOULD ALL DO IT SEEMS TO BE THE WORLD WE’RE LIVING IN WITH
THE WORLD WE’RE LIVING IN WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION NOW.
THIS ADMINISTRATION NOW. THERE’S AB IMPORTANT POINT THAT
THERE’S AB IMPORTANT POINT THAT YOU MAKE, NICOLLE, AND IT’S WHEN
YOU MAKE, NICOLLE, AND IT’S WHEN ANDY McCABE OPENED THIS
ANDY McCABE OPENED THIS INVESTIGATION, IT WASN’T JUST A
INVESTIGATION, IT WASN’T JUST A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.
CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION. IT ALSO HAD A NATIONAL SECURITY
IT ALSO HAD A NATIONAL SECURITY COMPONENT.
COMPONENT. AND WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT THIS
AND WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT THIS ENTIRE COUNTERINTELLIGENCE
ENTIRE COUNTERINTELLIGENCE QUESTION, WE DON’T KNOW WHAT
QUESTION, WE DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT INVESTIGATION.
HAPPENED TO THAT INVESTIGATION. LAST WEEK CONGRESSMAN SCHIFF
LAST WEEK CONGRESSMAN SCHIFF SAID THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO
SAID THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THAT THEY HAD NOT
FIGURE OUT THAT THEY HAD NOT BEEN BRIEFED ON THE INTELLIGENCE
BEEN BRIEFED ON THE INTELLIGENCE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
SIDE OF THE HOUSE. WE DON’T KNOW WHAT CONCLUSIONS,
WE DON’T KNOW WHAT CONCLUSIONS, IF ANY, HAVE LED FOLKS IN THE
IF ANY, HAVE LED FOLKS IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY TO
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY TO WITHHOLD BRIEFINGS FROM THE
WITHHOLD BRIEFINGS FROM THE PRESIDENT, IF IN FACT THAT’S
PRESIDENT, IF IN FACT THAT’S TRUE.
TRUE. BUT YOU’LL REMEMBER THAT IN JULY
BUT YOU’LL REMEMBER THAT IN JULY OF 2017 THE PRESIDENT ISSUED A
OF 2017 THE PRESIDENT ISSUED A STATEMENT AND SAID HE TALKED
STATEMENT AND SAID HE TALKED WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN, THAT THEY
WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN, THAT THEY WOULD WORK TOGETHER ON A CYBER
WOULD WORK TOGETHER ON A CYBER PROGRAM TO PROTECT ELECTIONS.
PROGRAM TO PROTECT ELECTIONS. RUSSIA WAS GOING TO MAKE SURE
RUSSIA WAS GOING TO MAKE SURE OUR 2020 ELECTION WAS SECURE.
OUR 2020 ELECTION WAS SECURE. AND THAT IN AND OF ITSELF MAKES
AND THAT IN AND OF ITSELF MAKES YOU THINK THAT THE INTELLIGENCE
YOU THINK THAT THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY MAY HAVE TO THINK VERY
COMMUNITY MAY HAVE TO THINK VERY CAREFULLY ABOUT WHAT THEY
CAREFULLY ABOUT WHAT THEY DISCLOSED OF THIS PRESIDENT
DISCLOSED OF THIS PRESIDENT BECAUSE THEY KNOW ALL TOO WELL
BECAUSE THEY KNOW ALL TOO WELL WHO HE’S ACTUALLY TALKING TO.
WHO HE’S ACTUALLY TALKING TO. >> JOYCE, I HAVE TWO FOLLOWUPS
>> JOYCE, I HAVE TWO FOLLOWUPS FOR YOU.
FOR YOU. ONE, WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT
ONE, WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHAT A NORMAL NATIONAL SECURITY
WHAT A NORMAL NATIONAL SECURITY TEAM DOES, BECAUSE BEN WAS PART
TEAM DOES, BECAUSE BEN WAS PART OF ONE AND COVERED ONE.
OF ONE AND COVERED ONE. HERE’S SOME HEADLINES FROM THIS
HERE’S SOME HEADLINES FROM THIS NOT-NORMAL ADMINISTRATION.
NOT-NORMAL ADMINISTRATION. "THE NEW YORK TIMES" IN A PUSH
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" IN A PUSH FOR 2020 ELECTION SECURITY, THIS
FOR 2020 ELECTION SECURITY, THIS IS WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT,
IS WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT, TOP OFFICIAL WAS WARNED, DON’T
TOP OFFICIAL WAS WARNED, DON’T TELL TRUMP.
TELL TRUMP. AND JUST LAST WEEK AFTER THE
AND JUST LAST WEEK AFTER THE PRESIDENT’S COMMENTS TO GEORGE
PRESIDENT’S COMMENTS TO GEORGE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HE WOULD
ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HE WOULD ACCEPT DIRT FROM AN AMERICAN
ACCEPT DIRT FROM AN AMERICAN ADVERSARY, ABOUT AN OPPONENT,
ADVERSARY, ABOUT AN OPPONENT, HERE’S WHAT ANDY McCABE SAID
HERE’S WHAT ANDY McCABE SAID ABOUT THOSE FRESH COMMENTS --
ABOUT THOSE FRESH COMMENTS -- >> I’M QUITE CERTAIN THAT OUR
>> I’M QUITE CERTAIN THAT OUR COUNTERINTELLIGENCE
COUNTERINTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS IN THE FBI AND IN
PROFESSIONALS IN THE FBI AND IN OTHER PLACES ARE LISTENING TO
OTHER PLACES ARE LISTENING TO THOSE COMMENTS YESTERDAY AND
THOSE COMMENTS YESTERDAY AND THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED.
THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED. VERY CONCERNED NOT JUST ABOUT
VERY CONCERNED NOT JUST ABOUT THIS CAVALIER ATTITUDE THAT THE
THIS CAVALIER ATTITUDE THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS ABOUT FEDERAL
PRESIDENT HAS ABOUT FEDERAL ELECTION LAW, THEY’RE ALSO
ELECTION LAW, THEY’RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE INVITATION
CONCERNED ABOUT THE INVITATION EFFECT THAT HIS COMMENTS MAY
EFFECT THAT HIS COMMENTS MAY HAVE TO THOSE ADVERSARIES THAT
HAVE TO THOSE ADVERSARIES THAT ARE BEST POSITIONED TO TAKE
ARE BEST POSITIONED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
ADVANTAGE OF IT. SO I AM SURE THOSE FOLKS ARE
SO I AM SURE THOSE FOLKS ARE KIND OF RECALIBRATING THEIR
KIND OF RECALIBRATING THEIR EFFORTS TODAY AND FIGURING OUT
EFFORTS TODAY AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF
HOW TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS.
THIS. I WOULD EXPECT THAT TO BE
I WOULD EXPECT THAT TO BE HAPPENING.
HAPPENING. >> JOYCE, MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS
>> JOYCE, MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS WHAT FOOTING IS CURRENT LAW
WHAT FOOTING IS CURRENT LAW ENFORCEMENT, COUNTER-INTEL AND
ENFORCEMENT, COUNTER-INTEL AND CIA ON RIGHT NOW TO PROTECT
CIA ON RIGHT NOW TO PROTECT AMERICA FROM ANOTHER RUSSIAN
AMERICA FROM ANOTHER RUSSIAN ATTACK ON OUR ELECTIONS WITH
ATTACK ON OUR ELECTIONS WITH THIS NEW AND FRESH BODY OF
THIS NEW AND FRESH BODY OF RHETORIC COMING FROM THE
RHETORIC COMING FROM THE PRESIDENT, HIS TOP DEFENSE
PRESIDENT, HIS TOP DEFENSE LAWYER IN THE RUSSIA PROBE, HIS
LAWYER IN THE RUSSIA PROBE, HIS CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN AND HIS
CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN AND HIS SON-IN-LAW?
SON-IN-LAW? >> HE’S CERTAINLY MADE IT A LOT
>> HE’S CERTAINLY MADE IT A LOT EASIER TO PROVE INTENT IF
EASIER TO PROVE INTENT IF THERE’S A ROUND TWO ON CAMPAIGN
THERE’S A ROUND TWO ON CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS.
FINANCE VIOLATIONS. WILL YOU RECALL MUELLER LOOKED
WILL YOU RECALL MUELLER LOOKED AT WHETHER OR NOT THE PRESIDENT
AT WHETHER OR NOT THE PRESIDENT HAD ENGAGED IN THAT KIND OF
HAD ENGAGED IN THAT KIND OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND CONCLUDED
CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND CONCLUDED HE COULD NOT DEFINITIVELY
HE COULD NOT DEFINITIVELY ESTABLISH THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD
ESTABLISH THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE
THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE WILLFULNESS NECESSARY.
WILLFULNESS NECESSARY. WELL, WITH THESE COMMENTS THE
WELL, WITH THESE COMMENTS THE PRESIDENT IS SAYING THAT IN 2020
PRESIDENT IS SAYING THAT IN 2020 IF HE ACCEPTS HELPED FROM A
IF HE ACCEPTS HELPED FROM A FOREIGN COUNTRY, HE’S DOING IT
FOREIGN COUNTRY, HE’S DOING IT KNOWING THAT THE CRIMINAL CODE
KNOWING THAT THE CRIMINAL CODE SAYS IT’S WRONG BUT HE HAS
SAYS IT’S WRONG BUT HE HAS SOMEHOW SUPPLANTED THAT AND
SOMEHOW SUPPLANTED THAT AND DECIDED ON HIS OWN IT’S
DECIDED ON HIS OWN IT’S PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE BEHAVIOR.
PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE BEHAVIOR. >> SO IF INSANITY IS DOING THE
>> SO IF INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN
SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT
AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT, IF YOU LOOK AT
RESULT, IF YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING THE U.S. GOVERNMENT
EVERYTHING THE U.S. GOVERNMENT DID WHEN DONALD TRUMP RAN FOR
DID WHEN DONALD TRUMP RAN FOR PRESIDENT, THROUGH "THE NEW YORK
PRESIDENT, THROUGH "THE NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTING ABOUT KEEPING
TIMES" REPORTING ABOUT KEEPING THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE
THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE PLEASE’S CAMPAIGN CONFIDENTIAL,
PLEASE’S CAMPAIGN CONFIDENTIAL, YOU PULL THE STRIPPING ALL THE
YOU PULL THE STRIPPING ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE CURRENT
WAY THROUGH TO THE CURRENT ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR, TRYING TO
ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR, TRYING TO RUMMAGE THROUGH THE CIA, TO THE
RUMMAGE THROUGH THE CIA, TO THE INTEL PRODUCTS TO INVESTIGATE
INTEL PRODUCTS TO INVESTIGATE NOT JUST THE INVESTIGATORS BUT
NOT JUST THE INVESTIGATORS BUT THE INTEL, ARE WE INSANE TO
THE INTEL, ARE WE INSANE TO EXPECT A DIFFERENT RESULT IN ’20
EXPECT A DIFFERENT RESULT IN ’20 THAN WE GOT IN ’16?
THAN WE GOT IN ’16? >> YES.
>> YES. THERE’S NO QUESTION THEY WILL
THERE’S NO QUESTION THEY WILL TYPE TO INVITE THIS ASSISTANCE.
TYPE TO INVITE THIS ASSISTANCE. >> HAVEN’T THEY ALREADY DONE
>> HAVEN’T THEY ALREADY DONE THAT?
THAT? >> THEY CONTINUE TO DO IT.
>> THEY CONTINUE TO DO IT. THERE’S NO QUESTIONS THE
THERE’S NO QUESTIONS THE RUSSIANLESS DO
RUSSIANLESS DO RUSSIANS WILL DO THIS.
RUSSIANS WILL DO THIS. WHY WOULDN’T THEY?
WHY WOULDN’T THEY? IT WORKED SO WELL LAST TIME.
IT WORKED SO WELL LAST TIME. THIS IS WHY YOU NEED AGGRESSIVE
THIS IS WHY YOU NEED AGGRESSIVE TACTICS FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE
TACTICS FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE
THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE ATTENDANT ARE THE PEOPLE IN THE
ATTENDANT ARE THE PEOPLE IN THE FBI, JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
FBI, JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. CONGRESS COULD BE PLAYING
CONGRESS COULD BE PLAYING HARDBALL AND SAY WE ARE NOT
HARDBALL AND SAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO FUND THE DEPARTMENT OF
GOING TO FUND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE UNLESS GET ACCESS TO
JUSTICE UNLESS GET ACCESS TO THESE THINGS OR FUND THE
THESE THINGS OR FUND THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE POWER TO PULL LEVERS
HAVE THE POWER TO PULL LEVERS OTHER THAN SAYING PEOPLE WHO
OTHER THAN SAYING PEOPLE WHO WORK DIRECTLY UNDER THE
WORK DIRECTLY UNDER THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE
PRESIDENT SHOULD BE INSUBORDINATE.
INSUBORDINATE. IT IS TIME TO RECOGNIZE THIS IS
IT IS TIME TO RECOGNIZE THIS IS NOT JUST SOMEBODY WHO COZIES UP
NOT JUST SOMEBODY WHO COZIES UP TO PUTIN.
TO PUTIN. THE ONLY THING HE DOESN’T
THE ONLY THING HE DOESN’T COMMENT ON IS PRO DEMOCRACY
COMMENT ON IS PRO DEMOCRACY PROTESTS IN RUSSIA OR HONG KONG.
PROTESTS IN RUSSIA OR HONG KONG. >> WHY NOT?
>> WHY NOT? >> BECAUSE HIS AFFINITY IS FOR
>> BECAUSE HIS AFFINITY IS FOR THESE AUTHORITARIANS.
THESE AUTHORITARIANS. HE SEES HIMSELF AS PART OF THAT
HE SEES HIMSELF AS PART OF THAT CLUB.
CLUB. HE HAS MORE IN COMMON WITH KIM
HE HAS MORE IN COMMON WITH KIM JONG-UN, VLADIMIR PUTIN AND XI.
JONG-UN, VLADIMIR PUTIN AND XI. >> AND HIS OWN INTELLIGENCE CAN
>> AND HIS OWN INTELLIGENCE CAN PLAY A ROLE --
PLAY A ROLE -- >> OF A ALL BEEN FIRED.
>> OF A ALL BEEN FIRED. ANDY McCAME, JIM THOME, THEY’RE
ANDY McCAME, JIM THOME, THEY’RE ALL GONE.
ALL GONE. >> THE BIGGEST POINT THAT WAS
>> THE BIGGEST POINT THAT WAS MISSED IS CONGRESS ACTUALLY IS
MISSED IS CONGRESS ACTUALLY IS ADVOCATING A TON OF
ADVOCATING A TON OF RESPONSIBILITY HERE.
RESPONSIBILITY HERE. >> I TOTALLY AGREE.
>> I TOTALLY AGREE. >> THIS PAST WEEK A MEASURE WAS
>> THIS PAST WEEK A MEASURE WAS BROUGHT TO THE FLOOR OF THE
BROUGHT TO THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT
SENATE FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT WOULD REQUIRE DISCLOSURE IF
THAT WOULD REQUIRE DISCLOSURE IF YOU WERE CONTACTED BY A FOREIGN
YOU WERE CONTACTED BY A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT ON BEHALF OF THE
GOVERNMENT ON BEHALF OF THE CAMPAIGN.
CAMPAIGN. AND THIS WAS HELD UP --
AND THIS WAS HELD UP -- >> WHY?
>> WHY? >> THAT’S A GOOD QUESTION.
>> THAT’S A GOOD QUESTION. >> THEY DID IN 2016.
>> THEY DID IN 2016. >> THERE’S A HISTORY TO THIS BUT
>> THERE’S A HISTORY TO THIS BUT IT GETS EVEN WEIRDER THAN THAT.
IT GETS EVEN WEIRDER THAN THAT. THIS PAST WEEKEND A MEMBER OF
THIS PAST WEEKEND A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE INTEL COMMITTEE, CHRIS
THE HOUSE INTEL COMMITTEE, CHRIS STEWART, A REPUBLICAN SAID YOU
STEWART, A REPUBLICAN SAID YOU WOULD BE FOOLISH, FOOLISH IF YOU
WOULD BE FOOLISH, FOOLISH IF YOU DID NOT TAKE THE CHANCE TO TALK
DID NOT TAKE THE CHANCE TO TALK TO A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT OFFERING
TO A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT OFFERING DIRT ON YOUR OPPONENT.
DIRT ON YOUR OPPONENT. THAT’S A MEMBER OF THE INTEL
THAT’S A MEMBER OF THE INTEL COMMITTEE.
COMMITTEE. CLEARLY THERE’S AN ISSUE WITH
CLEARLY THERE’S AN ISSUE WITH MEMBERS OF THE CONGRESS BUYING
MEMBERS OF THE CONGRESS BUYING INTO THE TRUMP LOGIC ON THIS IS
INTO THE TRUMP LOGIC ON THIS IS JUST THE WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED.
JUST THE WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED. AND CONGRESS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY
AND CONGRESS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY IS COMPRISED OF ELECTED
IS COMPRISED OF ELECTED OFFICIALS, DOES NEED TO STEP UP
OFFICIALS, DOES NEED TO STEP UP HERE.
HERE. >> AND MAYBE BUY INTO MORE THAN
>> AND MAYBE BUY INTO MORE THAN THE TRUMP LOGIC, MAYBE BUY INTO
THE TRUMP LOGIC, MAYBE BUY INTO SOME OF THE SAME TACTICS AND
SOME OF THE SAME TACTICS AND THERE’S BEEN REPORTING ON SOME
THERE’S BEEN REPORTING ON SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE
OF THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE CONNECTIONS WHERE THEY’RE
CONNECTIONS WHERE THEY’RE BASICALLY TO BE DOING THE SAME
BASICALLY TO BE DOING THE SAME THING IN THEIR OWN CAMPAIGNS
THING IN THEIR OWN CAMPAIGNS TRUMP IS DOING AND NOT JUST BY
TRUMP IS DOING AND NOT JUST BY THE ARGUMENT BUT ALSO ARE
THE ARGUMENT BUT ALSO ARE PERFECTLY HAPPY AND ARE
PERFECTLY HAPPY AND ARE THEMSELVES NOW INVITING
THEMSELVES NOW INVITING ASSISTANCE FROM VARIOUS FOREIGN
ASSISTANCE FROM VARIOUS FOREIGN SOURCES.
SOURCES. I THINK, SAM, TO YOUR POINT
I THINK, SAM, TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, WHICH I THINK IS AN
EARLIER, WHICH I THINK IS AN IMPORTANT POINT, I DO ASK IF YOU
IMPORTANT POINT, I DO ASK IF YOU WERE -- IF YOU WORK AT THE FBI,
WERE -- IF YOU WORK AT THE FBI, YOU WORK AT THE CIA, YOU’RE PART
YOU WORK AT THE CIA, YOU’RE PART OF THE DEEP STATE -- I’M PUTTING
OF THE DEEP STATE -- I’M PUTTING QUOTES AROUND THAT TO MAKE FUN
QUOTES AROUND THAT TO MAKE FUN OF IT -- AND YOU LOOK AT THE
OF IT -- AND YOU LOOK AT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND YOU SAY, THE PRESIDENT OF
AND YOU SAY, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HAS ABDICATED
THE UNITED STATES HAS ABDICATED HIS OATH OF OFFICE.
HIS OATH OF OFFICE. DID HE IT THE OTHER DAY ON
DID HE IT THE OTHER DAY ON GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS’S
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS’S INTERVIEW.
INTERVIEW. HE’S NOT PROTECTING THE NAKS
HE’S NOT PROTECTING THE NAKS SECURITY INTEREST OF THE UNITED
SECURITY INTEREST OF THE UNITED STATES.
STATES. HE’S NOT COMMITTED TO PROTECTING
HE’S NOT COMMITTED TO PROTECTING OUR ELECTION SECURITY.
OUR ELECTION SECURITY. WE CAN TAKE MEASURES THAT WOULD
WE CAN TAKE MEASURES THAT WOULD ACHIEVE THAT.
ACHIEVE THAT. ARE YOU WORKING FOR THE
ARE YOU WORKING FOR THE PRESIDENT, OR ARE YOU WORKING
PRESIDENT, OR ARE YOU WORKING FOR THE UNITED STATES OF
FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?
AMERICA? I THINK A FAIR NUMBER OF PEOPLE
I THINK A FAIR NUMBER OF PEOPLE THOSE ATTITUDE IS I WORK FOR THE
THOSE ATTITUDE IS I WORK FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, I’M
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, I’M WORKING FOR ELECTORAL INTEGRITY,
WORKING FOR ELECTORAL INTEGRITY, I’M WORKING FOR NATIONAL
I’M WORKING FOR NATIONAL SECURITY AND THIS PRESIDENT IS
SECURITY AND THIS PRESIDENT IS NO LONGER SERVING THOSE
NO LONGER SERVING THOSE INTERESTS SO I’M GOING TO DO
INTERESTS SO I’M GOING TO DO WHAT I HAVE TO DO NOT TO BREAK
WHAT I HAVE TO DO NOT TO BREAK LAWS BUT TO DO WHAT I THINK IS
LAWS BUT TO DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT FOR THE COUNTRY.
RIGHT FOR THE COUNTRY. >> LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO THE
>> LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LAST PEOPLE THAT DID THAT.
LAST PEOPLE THAT DID THAT. >> I’LL TELL YOU WHO’S NOT A
>> I’LL TELL YOU WHO’S NOT A RISK --
RISK -- >> JIM COMEY AND ANDY McCABE
>> JIM COMEY AND ANDY McCABE DID.
DID. >> AND AS YOU POINTED OUT MANY
>> AND AS YOU POINTED OUT MANY PAID A PRICE.
PAID A PRICE. BUT YOU LOOK AROUND AND
BUT YOU LOOK AROUND AND EVERYTHING WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR
EVERYTHING WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR FROM CHRIS PA RAY, WE DON’T KNOW
FROM CHRIS PA RAY, WE DON’T KNOW WHAT HE’S DOING BEHIND THE
WHAT HE’S DOING BEHIND THE SCENES BUT IN TERMS OF HIS
SCENES BUT IN TERMS OF HIS PUBLIC PRESENTATION, SEEMS TO BE
PUBLIC PRESENTATION, SEEMS TO BE TAKING THAT APPROACH.
TAKING THAT APPROACH. I’M SURE IF YOU KNOW -- THERE
I’M SURE IF YOU KNOW -- THERE ARE OTHERS WHO KNOW A LOT MORE
ARE OTHERS WHO KNOW A LOT MORE THAN THE FBI AND CIA THAN I DO
THAN THE FBI AND CIA THAN I DO BUT MY IMPRESSION FROM REPORTING
BUT MY IMPRESSION FROM REPORTING AND WATCHING THESE PEOPLE THE
AND WATCHING THESE PEOPLE THE LAST FEW YEARS IS THERE ARE A
LAST FEW YEARS IS THERE ARE A LOT OF PATRIOTS.
LOT OF PATRIOTS. THERE’S A DEEP BENCH OF PATRIOTS
THERE’S A DEEP BENCH OF PATRIOTS IN THE ORGANIZATION WHOSE
IN THE ORGANIZATION WHOSE ATTITUDE IS IF THE PRESIDENT
ATTITUDE IS IF THE PRESIDENT WILL NOT DO THE WORK, WE HAVE
WILL NOT DO THE WORK, WE HAVE TO.
TO. >> JOYCE, LET ME GIVE YOU THE
>> JOYCE, LET ME GIVE YOU THE LAST WORD.
LAST WORD. >> I LIKE HEILEMANN’S DEEP BENCH
>> I LIKE HEILEMANN’S DEEP BENCH A LOT BETTER THAN I LIKE THE
A LOT BETTER THAN I LIKE THE NOTION OF A DEEP STATE.
NOTION OF A DEEP STATE. I THINK IT’S TRUE.
I THINK IT’S TRUE. THERE ARE A DEEP BENCH OF
THERE ARE A DEEP BENCH OF PROFESSIONALS.
PROFESSIONALS. THEY’RE IN AN UNTENABLE POSITION
THEY’RE IN AN UNTENABLE POSITION TRYING TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY
TRYING TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY REPORT UP TO A PRESIDENT WHO
REPORT UP TO A PRESIDENT WHO ULTIMATELY MAY NOT HAVE THE
ULTIMATELY MAY NOT HAVE THE COUNTRY’S BEST INTEREST AT
COUNTRY’S BEST INTEREST AT HEART.
HEART. I THINK THEY WILL HAVE TO TRY
