THE BIG BANG, MANY SCIENTISTS
WOULD CONTEND, WAS NOT AN
EXPLOSION WITHIN SPACE, BUT
ACTUALLY A RAPID EXPANSION OF
SPACE-TIME ITSELF.
THE PROBLEM STILL APPLIES --
DOESN'T IT?
--
THAT THE FARTHER EACH
PARTICLE OF MATTER GETS
FROM EACH OTHER, THE LESS
LIKELY IT IS TO EVER BE PULLED
IN BY MUTUAL GRAVITY AND CREATE
THE FIRST STAR, THE FIRST
PLANET, THE FIRST GALAXY OR
ANYTHING, RIGHT?
>> DR.
HOUTS: RIGHT.
YEAH, AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE,
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
DARK MATTER IS USED FOR.
REMEMBER, WE MENTIONED THAT
23 PERCENT OF THE UNIVERSE HAS
TO BE DARK MATTER.
AND THEY'LL ACTUALLY
SAY THINGS LIKE LITTLE
PIECES OF DARK MATTER STARTED
TO CLUMP TOGETHER.
>> DAVID: OKAY.
>> DR.
HOUTS: YEAH, AND
JUST MAGIC.
YOU KNOW, NOT SURE HOW.
AND THEN, THAT DARK MATTER
WOULD ACTUALLY PULL IN THE
GASES THAT COULD MAKE A STAR.
>> DAVID: OKAY...
>> DR.
HOUTS: ONCE I'M ALLOWED
TO HAVE THAT
LITTLE-PIECE-OF-MAGIC PIXIE
DUST IN THE CENTER, I CAN
PRESENT IT AS ANYTHING I
WANT TO.
[SCOFF-LAUGHS]
>> DAVID: WOW.
>> DR.
HOUTS: SO, NOW, I HAVE
ENOUGH GRAVITY TO ACTUALLY PULL
THE GAS...TOGETHER.
'CAUSE, AS YOU SAID, AS THE GAS
CONDENSED, IT WOULD TEND TO
HEAT UP, WHICH WOULD...
>> DAVID: PUSH IT APART.
>> DR.
HOUTS: ...BASICALLY PUSH
IT APART.
>> DAVID: RIGHT.
>> DR.
HOUTS: AND SO, WE HAVE
DARK MATTER CAUSING THAT.
SO, YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND THEN, YOU HAVE TO GET THE
PLANET FORMING -- YOU KNOW, ALL
KINDS OF PROBLEMS WITH PLANET
FORMATION, THE CURRENT
THEORIES.
IT'S KINDA FUN.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT MAKES
SCIENCE FUN IS EVERYTHING'S
CHANGING.
>> DAVID: ABSOLUTELY.
>> DR.
HOUTS: SO, YOU KNOW, I
DON'T HAVE-- YOU KNOW, I THINK
EVERYBODY'S EXCITED ABOUT THE
FACT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW
PLANETS FORM, WE DON'T KNOW
WHY THEY FORM.
ALL OF OUR-- WHEN WE FIND THESE
OTHER SOLAR SYSTEM WITH PLANETS
-- AGAIN, IT'S ALMOST-- WITH
EVERY ARTICLE, IT'S LIKE: WELL,
BASED ON THIS, WE'RE GONNA NEED
TO REWRITE THE TEXTBOOK.
SO, THIS GOES AGAINST THIS
CURRENT THEORY.
AND THAT'S FANTASTIC.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES SCIENCE
INTERESTING.
BUT, IT COMES BACK TO WHEN
THAT, YOU KNOW, LIMITED
SCIENCE, OR, TO SOME EXTENT--
AT SOME POINT, IT ACTUALLY DOES
BECOME FAKE SCIENCE WHEN THAT'S
USED TO CHALLENGE SOMEBODY'S
FAITH, TO CAUSE THEM TO SAY:
WELL, MAYBE THE BIBLE CAN'T
BE TRUSTED.
MAYBE THE BIBLE'S BEEN
MISTRANSLATED.
MAYBE THIS ABOUT THE BIBLE.
THAT'S WHEN, TO ME,
IT'S A CONCERN.
THE FACT THAT WE REALLY DON'T
KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE UNIVERSE,
TO ME, THAT'S FASCINATING.
THAT'S JUST LIKE
MIKE GRIFFIN SAID --
THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD EXPLORE.
THAT'S WHAT'S SO GOOD ABOUT THE
SPACE PROGRAM.
>> DAVID: ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN-- AND, YOU KNOW, THEY
CALL SPACE "THE FINAL
FRONTIER," RIGHT?
>> DR.
HOUTS: OH, YEAH.
>> DAVID: BUT I LOVE THIS QUOTE
OF YOURS.
"OUR CURRENT KNOWLEDGE OF THE
UNIVERSE IS EXTREMELY
LIMITED..."
>> DR.
HOUTS: OH, YEAH.
>> DAVID: WE ALL ADMIT THAT.
"...AND DISCOVERIES ARE BEING
MADE DAILY THAT ARE CAUSING US
TO HAVE TO REWRITE..."
-- OR
RETHINK -- "...EVERYTHING,"
RIGHT?
>> DR.
HOUTS: YES.
OH, YEAH.
>> DAVID: SO, THE MORE AND MORE
WE LEARN, IT'S NOT BRINGING US
TO A CLOSER REALIZATION THAT:
THE BIG BANG ACTUALLY TOOK
PLACE; HERE'S THE SCIENTIFIC
PROOF.
WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS SHOWING US
IS THAT WE REALLY DON'T
UNDERSTAND HOW SOME OF THESE
OTHER THINGS WORK.
>> DR.
HOUTS: RIGHT.
>> DAVID: NOW, MANY PEOPLE
WOULD SAY: "WELL, THEN, YOU
INSERT A GOD OF THE GAPS."
HAVE YOU HEARD THAT
EXPRESSION BEFORE?
>> DR.
HOUTS: OH, YEAH.
YEAH, YOU HEAR IT A LOT.
>> DAVID: "AND SO, YOU INSERT A
GOD OF THE GAPS.
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, SO YOU
SAY GOD DID IT."
WHAT ARE SECULAR SCIENTISTS,
ATHEISTIC SCIENTISTS DOING
WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR?
>> DR.
HOUTS: OH, IT'S EXACTLY
THE SAME, BUT THEY JUST TRY TO
MAKE IT SOUND MORE TECHNICAL.
>> DAVID: OKAY.
>> DR.
HOUTS: I DON'T KNOW HOW
ELSE TO PHRASE IT.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN A MULTIVERSE GENERATOR,
AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY
WANNA CALL THE GOD OF THE GAPS.
EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW,
POPPED OUT OF A SINGULARITY...
FOR THAT MATTER, AT OUR
CURRENT STATE OF UNDERSTANDING
DARK MATTER, DARK ENERGY, IT IS
INTERESTING.
THERE'S BIBLICALLY CONSISTENT
THEORIES THAT COMPLETELY
ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR
DARK ENERGY.
>> DAVID: THAT'S RIGHT.
>> DR.
HOUTS: AND THEY ALSO
EXPLAIN HOW THE UNIVERSE COULD
APPEAR THE WAY IT DOES FROM AN
EARTH THAT'S A FEW THOUSAND
YEARS OLD.
AND SO, TO ME, THAT WOULD BE A
BETTER THEORY TO PURSUE, JUST
PURELY SCIENTIFICALLY.
BECAUSE, I DON'T NEED TO MAKE
UP DARK ENERGY.
I DON'T NEED TO MAKE UP THE 73
PERCENT THAT I REALLY HAVE
ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT IT
COULD POSSIBLY BE.
AND THAT'S OUR KNOWLEDGE OF
QUOTE, UNQUOTE "DARK ENERGY,"
RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT REQUIRES THE EARTH TO BE
IN A SPECIAL LOCATION.
>> DAVID: OKAY.
>> DR.
HOUTS: AND SO, WHAT'S SO
FUNNY IS THE RELIGIOUS
ASSUMPTIONS-- IT'S CALLED THE
COPERNICAN PRINCIPLE.
BUT THAT RELIGIOUS ASSUMPTION --
SO NOW, WE'RE PUTTIN'
RELIGION ON SCIENCE,
SO IT'S PURELY RELIGIOUS --
THEY'RE SAYING WE CAN'T BE
IN A SPECIAL PLACE.
WELL, THAT'S ATHEISM.
THAT'S JUST THEIR RELIGIOUS
ASSUMPTION.
AND ONCE YOU SAY WE CAN'T BE IN
A SPECIAL PLACE WHEN THERE'S A
WHOLE LOT OF EVIDENCE THAT WE
ARE IN A SPECIAL PLACE, UH,
THEN YOU DRIVE TO THESE REALLY
BIZARRE THEORIES THAT REALLY
CEASE TO BE SCIENTIFIC.
BUT, AGAIN, IT'S WHEN THEY
ACCUSE CHRISTIANS OF MIXING
IN RELIGION...
>> DAVID: RELIGION,
>> DR.
HOUTS: THEIR THEORY
HAPPENS TO BE ACCEPTED, BUT
THEY'RE DOING EXACTLY THE SAME
THING.
INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, "OKAY,
THE OBSERVATIONS WOULD SAY
WE'RE IN A SPECIAL LOCATION,
AND, WOW -- IT TELLS US THIS,
THIS, THIS, AND THIS,"
THEY'LL SAY, "WELL, WE CAN'T BE
IN A SPECIAL LOCATION."
AND THEN, EVERYBODY SAYS,
"OKAY, WELL, I GUESS 96 PERCENT
OF THE UNIVERSE MUST BE
MADE UP."
>> DAVID: OH...
>> DR.
HOUTS: YOU KNOW --
"IT'S GOTTA BE 73 PERCENT
DARK ENERGY."
YOU KNOW, SO, THEY ACCEPT THAT
FAULTY...AGAIN, PURELY
RELIGIOUS ASSUMPTION.
THEN, YOU'RE-- IT DRIVES YOU
AWAY FROM JUST BEING ABLE TO
LOOK AT WHAT OUR OBSERVATIONS
TELL US, WHAT SCIENCE WILL
REALLY SAY.
>> DAVID: SO, THE COPERNICAN
PRINCIPLE HAS SORT OF BEEN
CORRUPTED INTO THE MEDIOCRITY
PRINCIPLE, WHICH BASICALLY
STATES THERE IS NO FAVORED
POSITION...
>> DR.
HOUTS: RIGHT.
>> DAVID: AND IT'S BASED OFF OF
THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE
UNIVERSE IS ACCIDENTAL, THAT
THERE WAS NO DESIGNER.
>> DR.
HOUTS: RIGHT.
YEAH.
>> DAVID: IF THERE WAS A
DESIGNER AND HAVE HIS HISTORY
BOOK, WE HAVE HIS INSTRUCTIONS
ON HOW HE CREATED
THE UNIVERSE...
IT SAYS: "IN THE BEGINNING, GOD
CREATED THE HEAVENS AND
THE EARTH.
AND THE EARTH WAS WITHOUT FORM,
AND VOID..."
SO, THE EARTH IS CENTRAL TO THE
CREATION ACCOUNT IN THE BIBLE.
>> DR.
HOUTS: YEP...YEP.
>> DAVID: NOW, DOES THIS MEAN
THAT THE EARTH IS THE EXACT
CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE?
WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT.
>> DR.
HOUTS: RIGHT.
>> DAVID: BUT WE ARE SAYING
THAT IT HOLDS A SPECIAL PLACE
IN GOD'S EYE.
>> DR.
HOUTS: YES.
YEAH, EXACTLY.
AND SO, ONCE WE'RE-- AND THAT'S
WHY, YOU KNOW, ATHEISTS, AGAIN,
WILL SAY, "THAT'S NOT ALLOWED."
>> DAVID: RIGHT.
>> DR.
HOUTS: 'CAUSE IF WE'RE
IN A SPECIAL LOCATION, THEN,
THAT WOULD IMPLY THAT THERE WAS
A CREATOR, THAT WE ARE
SOMEPLACE...YOU KNOW, IS
SOMETHING SPECIAL.
AND SO, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS
IF WE DID HAPPEN TO BE NEAR
THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE,
'CAUSE GOD DID PUT
US SOMEPLACE,
IF WE DID HAPPEN TO BE THERE,
THEN, IF YOU LOOK INTO THE
ACCOUNTS OF WHAT WOULD
HAPPEN WITH GRAVITATIONAL
TIME DILATION,
IT ACTUALLY GIVES A VERY--
CONSISTENT WITH GENESIS,
IT GIVES A VERY GOOD
EXPLANATION OF HOW THE
UNIVERSE APPEARS THE WAY
IT DOES FROM AN EARTH THAT'S
A FEW THOUSAND YEARS OLD.
AND, OF COURSE, DR.
RUSS
HUMPHREYS HAS DONE A
TREMENDOUS JOB EXPLAINING
THAT IDEA.
BUT IT MAKES SENSE.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALLOWED TO BE
IN A SPECIAL LOCATION.
IT'S VERY BIBLICALLY
CONSISTENT.
>> DAVID: ALL RIGHT, NOW, YOU
THREW OUT A TERM, HERE, THAT,
YES, WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH.
BUT I WANT YOU TO BREAK IT
DOWN BECAUSE SOME OF THESE
THINGS ARE HARD TO GRASP,
ALL RIGHT?
>> DR.
HOUTS: OKAY.
>> DAVID: SO, DR.
RUSSELL
HUMPHREYS LOOKED INTO
GRAVITATIONAL TIME DILATION.
GRAVITATIONAL TIME DILATION IS
ACTUALLY BASED ON EINSTEIN'S
THEORIES OF RELATIVITY--
>> DR.
HOUTS: YEAH, IT'S BASED
ON EINSTEIN'S THEORY
OF RELATIVITY.
WE'VE HAD EXPERIMENTAL...
CONFIRMATION OF THOSE THEORIES.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT BE
VIOLATED YET.
>> DAVID: OKAY...
>> DR.
HOUTS: YOU ALWAYS WANNA
KEEP TESTIN' THEORIES AND
TESTIN' THEORIES.
BUT, AS FAR AS--
>> DAVID: BUT THAT'S GOOD
SCIENCE SO FAR.
>> DR.
HOUTS: YEAH.
UH-HUH.
>> DAVID: AND...BASICALLY,
THIS...PREDICTS THAT CLOCKS RUN
AT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT RATES,
DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE
THROUGHOUT THE UNIVERSE--
>> DR.
HOUTS: RIGHT.
>> DAVID: --OR HOW FAR YOU ARE
DOWN IN A GRAVITATIONAL WELL.
IT'S EXPERIMENTALLY OBSERVED,
ISN'T IT?
>> DR.
HOUTS: RIGHT.
>> DAVID: BECAUSE WE CAN
MEASURE ATOMIC CLOCKS AT SEA
LEVEL, UH, YOU KNOW, ON THE
TOPS OF MOUNTAINS IN DENVER, OR
EVEN ON THE INTERNATIONAL
SPACE STATION.
>> DR.
HOUTS: YEP.
>> DAVID: AND THEY RUN AT
SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT RATES.
>> DR.
HOUTS: YES.
EXACTLY.
>> DAVID: SO, EXPLAIN HOW THIS
MIGHT EVEN ANSWER THE QUESTION,
OR, PARTIALLY, AT LEAST, ANSWER
THE QUESTION OF HOW WE CAN SEE
DISTANT STARLIGHT FROM GALAXIES
BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS OF LIGHT
YEARS AWAY IF THE UNIVERSE IS
ONLY 6,000 YEARS OLD.
AND THAT'S STILL A LONG TIME --
THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
>> DR.
HOUTS: YEAH.
YEP.
>> DAVID: BUT IT'S
NOT BILLIONS.
>> DR.
HOUTS: RIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, GOD TALKED TO
PEOPLE ON EARTH.
'CAUSE PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY SAY,
"WELL, WHICH TIMEFRAME
ARE YOU USING?"
>> DAVID: OKAY.
>> DR.
HOUTS: THE BIBLE'S
WRITTEN TO PEOPLE ON EARTH.
AND SO, IF WE'RE VERY DEEP IN A
GRAVITY WELL -- BASICALLY BELOW
AN EVENT HORIZON -- LITERALLY,
TIME WILL NOT PASS AT ALL
COMPARED TO WHAT'S GOING ON
OUTSIDE THAT EVENT HORIZON.
AND SO, YOU COULD LITERALLY
HAVE THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE
DEVELOPING WHILE ZERO TIME'S
PASSING ON EARTH, ON DAY FOUR.
>> DAVID: WOW.
>> DR.
HOUTS: AND THEN, THE
STARS WOULD APPEAR INSTANTLY,
ONCE -- AS THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT
17 TIMES THAT GOD IS STRETCHING
OUT THE HEAVENS, AS HE
STRETCHED OUT THE HEAVENS --
ONCE WE CAME BACK OUT OF
THAT...TIMELESS ZONE, I GUESS
YOU COULD CALL IT.
>> DAVID: OKAY.
>> DR.
HOUTS: SO, IT'S A VERY
BIBLICALLY CONSISTENT THEORY.
AND IT'S ALSO CONSISTENT WITH
OUR OBSERVATIONS AND IT
ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR
DARK ENERGY.
SO, IF I JUST WANNA LOOK AT IT
SCIENTIFICALLY -- I DON'T KNOW
MUCH ABOUT THIS YET...
>> DAVID: YEAH.
>> DR.
HOUTS: ...I WOULD
TEND TO FAVOR THE THEORY THAT
DOESN'T MAKE ME MAKE STUFF
UP, LIKE DARK ENERGY.
BECAUSE AT LEAST-- YOU KNOW,
AND PEOPLE -- WE'D STILL
ARGUE ABOUT IT--
FROM A PURELY SCIENTIFIC
STANDPOINT.
NOW, AS CHRISTIANS, WE KNOW THE
BIBLE'S GOD'S INERRANT WORD.
>> DAVID: YEAH.
>> DR.
HOUTS: BUT EVEN AS A
NON-CHRISTIAN, IF SOMEONE WAS A
NON-CHRISTIAN JUST LOOKING AT
IT OBJECTIVELY, THEY'D WANNA BE
ALLOWED TO CONSIDER
BOTH THEORIES.
AND THEY'RE NOT...UM, THERE'VE
ACTUALLY BEEN PETITIONS SIGNED
BY HUNDREDS OF SCIENTIST
SAYING: HEY, IT'S TIME TO GIVE
UP ON THE BIG BANG.
>> DAVID: YEAH.
>> DR.
HOUTS: YOU KNOW, BUT
THOSE ARE LARGELY IGNORED,
AT THE MOMENT.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT PURELY
A RELIGIOUS ARGUMENT.
IT'S MORE OF AN ARGUMENT
THAT'S: HEY, WE SHOULD BE
ALLOWED TO JUST PURSUE HOWEVER
THE EVIDENCE LEADS US AND NOT
BE CONSTRICTED TO ONLY THEORIES
THAT...THAT SUPPORT ATHEISM OR
SOMEHOW DON'T SUPPORT
THE BIBLE.
AND THAT'S, I THINK, THE--
>> DAVID: WHICH ARE IN TROUBLE,
RIGHT NOW.
>> DR.
HOUTS: YEAH.
>> DAVID: THOSE THEORIES
ARE IN TROUBLE.
AND I THINK THAT THEY WILL BE
REPLACED WITH OTHER THEORIES.
NOW, THE NEW THEORIES WILL
PROBABLY ALSO TRY TO COME AT IT
FROM AN ATHEISTIC PERSPECTIVE.
>> DR.
HOUTS: I THINK THEY'LL
ALMOST BE REQUIRED TO, NOW.
AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE.
>> DAVID: YEAH.
>> DR.
HOUTS: THEY SHOULD BE
ALLOWED TO JUST LOOK
AT THE SCIENCE.
WHAT IS IT TELLING US?
>> DAVID: WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED
TO FREELY THINK.
>> DR.
HOUTS: YEAH.
>> DAVID: WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED
TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND TO
CONSIDER ALL POSSIBILITIES.
>> DR.
HOUTS: RIGHT.
AND THAT'S TRUE SCIENCE.
>> DAVID: REAL SCIENCE!
>> DR.
HOUTS: TO ME, IT'S
BECOME FAKE SCIENCE WHEN YOU'RE
LIKE: "WELL, NO, YOU'RE NOT
ALLOWED TO CONSIDER THAT 'CAUSE
IT DOESN'T AGREE WITH THAT
PERSON'S RELIGIOUS VIEW."
>> DAVID: WOW.
>> DR.
HOUTS: AND SO, IF THAT
PERSON IS AN ATHEIST AND SAYS,
"WELL, THAT DOESN'T AGREE WITH
ATHEISM," THEN, THAT SHOULDN'T
TRUMP, YOU KNOW, "JUST LOOK AT
THE OBSERVATIONS, LOOK AT THE
DATA, AND SEE WHERE IT
LEADS US."
IT KINDS GOES BACK TO, YOU
KNOW, JOSHUA 24:15, WHERE IT
TELLS US-- TALKS ABOUT CHOOSE
WHERE WE'RE GONNA PUT
OUR FAITH.
>> DAVID: YEAH.
>> DR.
HOUTS: ONE POINT ON THAT
ONE -- YOU KNOW, WE COULDN'T
MAKE ANY CHOICE WHATSOEVER IF
GOD HADN'T GIVEN US A SPIRIT.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF I WAS JUST
SEVERAL THOUSAND TRILLION
TRILLION ATOMS, I'D JUST BE
CHEMICALLY REACTING HERE, YOU
KNOW, REACTING A LITTLE FASTER
BECAUSE OF THE GREAT COFFEE
YOU GUYS HAVE.
[DAVID LAUGHS]
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM-- I
WOULD JUST BE A CHEMICAL
REACTION.
BUT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, MAKIN'
CHOICE, LIKE "WHAT SHOE DID I
PUT ON FIRST THIS MORNING?"
OR
ANY CHOICE AT ALL, IF I'M JUST
SEVERAL THOUSAND TRILLION
TRILLION ATOMS, I CAN'T MAKE A
SIMPLE CHOICE.
>> DAVID: THAT WAS RANDOM
CHEMICALS BUMPING TOGETHER,
TECHNICALLY.
>> DR.
HOUTS: EXACTLY.
BUT I KNOW I CAN MAKE CHOICES,
SO THAT PREVIOUS THE EXISTENCE
OF GOD.
SO, TO ME, ANY RATIONAL, SANE
PERSON, WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT
THIS, THEY OUGHT TO AT LEAST BE
ABLE TO ACCEPT...GOD.
NOW, THEY MIGHT NOT BELIEVE
THE BIBLE.
I MEAN, THAT'S-- THOSE ARE
DIFFERENT STUDIES.
BUT, AT LEAST, THEY SHOULD
ACKNOWLEDGE: OKAY, WE KNOW
THERE'S SOMETHING SUPERNATURAL
THAT GAVE THEM EVEN THAT
FUNDAMENTAL ABILITY
TO CHOOSE.
>> DAVID: OKAY.
>> DR.
HOUTS: AND SO, YEAH, SO,
AGAIN, IT COMES BACK TO JUST
FOLLOWING THE OBSERVATIONS,
FOLLOWING THE DATA WHERE
THEY LEAD.
