The Quranic and Darwinian view of
Evolution.
[Dr. Shehzad] So our first question is on
evolution.
The question is how come your 
views on evolution are not
in line with your progressive,
logical views
staunch evolution theory
supporters like Chritopher Hitchens
and Richard Dawkins have strong arguments
against the usual non-believing arguments?
[Ghamidi] Please understand a 
fundamental point about the nature
of scientific investigation
it is obvious that the object of science
is to analyze this material world
and of the natural laws operating in it;
in their light, it is able to make 
inventions in the present,
as well as in overturning the past 
explanations of several phenomena.
So the laws explained by science, 
which have now become facts
The laws explained by science 
are a different matter
These laws most certainly are laws.
And we possess a kind of inventory
of these laws are.
Fossil records also have been found to
a large extent.
Any new thing found at any time only
enhances such records
This is one thing.
Second thing is that these principles are to 
be provided with an explanation
So the explanation of a principle is
never a fact in itself.
It is a point of view, a theory, 
although with the passing of time
it becomes a reality
However, it remains only a theory.
So evolution, from a point of view is 
only a theory, an outlook
And it is explaining some facts.
If someone else provides some other
explanation
then it should also be given the same
attention
that is given to the explanation of an
evolution theorist
I have already stated this in many places 
that the common misconception of people is
that on one hand, we have the point of 
view or the theory of evolution
and on the other hand, we have religious
people who say that
one day Allah ta'ala sent four 
angels in order to collect
from the four continents (there
were only four, when people were talking)
to collect their soil and to bring it
to make a figurine (just like kids make)
And after making it, they blew a soul into
it and it became a human
So people think of it as, on one hand, what 
is called the point of view of Creationism.
And on the other, the theory of evolution 
It is not so.
The facts that are present in 
the world,
for their explanation, on one hand
we have the evolution theory
and on the other, the statement of 
the Quran
And I'll put forward the case as it 
appears the Quran.
And then you can compare the conclusions 
that are being drawn out from it
and how correct they are?
The Quran says,
'bada'a khalq al-insani min teen
we started within the ductile mud, teen-e
lazib, found along the coasts of seas
that process which now takes place
within a mother's womb. What happens?
It means that you consume the 
produce of the earth
and from them you derive minerals such as
calcium, carbon, hydrogen, etc.
All these form the concentrate and 
then within you there is a factory,
which in front of our eyes extracts 
blood from that raw material,
just like that it extracts a drop of
water and an egg?
and after their combination, in nine or
ten months
the act of making a human being
takes place
This now takes place within nine months 
or less
So the Quran says that the very 
same act we started within the mud,
within the sludge on this very earth
bada'a khalq al-insani min teen
We did not just make it, but started
this process
From other places, we get to know that 
that this act, in its conclusion
Allah ta'ala brought into place the same
act of Creation...
Like you have seen what scientists 
have done.
There was a time when computers requireda room bigger than this
(that is how things first come into
existence and then start condensing)
now it can be fitted into our
wristwatches
The same condensing act have 
taken place here too.
On a very large parameter, Allah ta'ala
carried out the Creation act.
The same has been condensed into 
two facets;
One facet is where the baby comes out from
a mother's womb
and is infused with the elements of 
this world just like we put raw materials
in a factory
which are then processed and the 
finished good come into existence.
The elementary particle that is there 
which keeps growing
and within nine months, it develops into
an alive and breathing baby.
Another process also takes place 
in front of your eyes.
In that process, the act takes 
place in those animals
where it takes the shape 
of an egg
Then that egg comes out and is made to
undergo a process
after which it cracks and from within it
babies come out
Those who have seen hen's 
chicks come out of eggs
know how this takes place.
This second process,
we learn from Quran took place
in much the same way,
within the womb of the earth.
It says that the act began in the ductile
mud and then how long it took?
If now it takes nine months so it is
possible that around that time
it might have taken thousands or millions
of years
So as its result, it took the shape of an
egg. kal sal-saalin kal-fakhhaar.
And just like the shell of an egg, 
the mud dried up
Then the process of the creation of human
being took place
But this was still not a human, this was
his beastly existence.
In this beastly existence, Allah ta'ala
says that in a different stage
(it is possible that we had some
generations of such beastly humans)
In the second stage, we bestowed 
him with abilities.
summa ja'ala naslahu min
sulalatin mim maain maheen
with such abilities so that he became a 
progenitor of his own generation
from this drop of water
This is the second stage.
He has still not become a human.
This is a beastly existence.
About this beastly existence, it says 
'summa savvaahu'
Then for a long time, we took time to 
create, shape and perfect him.
Gave it perfection.
When he had passed through all these 
stages
then it is obvious that from millions 
or thousands of such specimens,
two of them were chosen
fa nafakhna feehim min looi
And in them Allah Ta'ala says that 
I blew into them that breath
and gave them their humanity
as a result of which he became
a rational and understanding
being
and grew into a philosopher and a 
sage.
This is the process that is 
presented by the Quran
It also shows how humans have gone 
through different stages
In this too, we have had the generation 
of beastly humans
The beastly generation of humans has 
again underwent two more stages
Only after that humanity has been gifted 
to the humans
However, from the interpretation in the
Quran, it is very clear that
this act from the very first day
was carried out in humans only
The beastly existence was of human itself;
It's not that he started developing from 
one species,
successively progressing into chimpanzees 
and then took the shape of a human
This is the difference between the two 
point of views.
Now you can weigh both of them
and decide which outlook passes the
standard of rationality and knowledge.
At this time, the facts that have come 
forward all of them are in agreement
with the point of view of the Quran.
No fact is against it and in comparison
with the theory of evolution,
The statements of the Quran is more 
scientific and closer to reality,
and more fitting with reason.
[Dr. Shehzad] This means that 
evolution has surely taken place but
in a completely different way.
[Ghamidi] Yes, exactly like that.
This is the statement of the Quran
and one needs to see this in this light
that who is making it?
Forget for a while that he is the
messenger of God,
but a bedouin from the Arabian desert, 
and then you can estimate
that in a world of stories how he was 
stating the fact of the Creation of man.
