Hey, everyone. So earlier this week, I did a livestream in which I reacted to Keemstar's interview with Onision.
It was over 6 hours long. Towards the end, I was watching a video from the YouTuber Tommy C
in which he was speaking to Keemstar 
about Keemstar's interview and
little did I know Keemstar was watching me watch that. 
So, shortly after that,
he called into my live show and that is the context
I wanted to give before playing this video.
Keem: "I reached out to Blaire White.
Tommy: And what did she say? 
What did she say? Blaire White.
K: I had her review the full interview. Uhm, I said,
 "can you please watch this full interview
and tell me where I'm-- where I'm f-cking up" and she said that she would and then she just ghosted me, like,
three days before and never got back to me.
I-- I figured if anybody was gonna be fair 
about the situation that she would.
I thought I could trust her with that and I don't know, maybe she's-- maybe Blaire got busy, who knows--
T: Oh, okay. 
K: It's a 45 minute video, it's a lot 
of work to ask someone to
review it and then have follow-up questions. Maybe she just got busy or whatever but she didn't respond to me so
the interview is about to come out, I'm
panicking cause I'm, like, I'm asking myself,
'did I do a good job? Did I do this right?' Uhm--"
-No.
K: "Uhm, and I needed a lot of backstory so I reached out to that Edwin guy who is clearly biased but I felt like
he did the best, like, uhm, summary--
T: Okay, he-- he wants him off the platform
but I gotta be-- I gotta stick up for Edwin,
he's-- my dealings with him has been fine
and he's been straight up and even defended
Nick so I don't think that's a bad--
he's biased in the sense where he wants him off
but I don't think Edwin's gonna lie to do it."
[laughs] Wait, is Keem here? 
Is Keem-- did I miss something?
Hold on, I'm scrolling through my chat cause 
I didn't-- I missed it, if Keem dropped by
I completely missed it.
"Call Keem," I mean, yo Keem, hit me up on Discord
 if you want but, you know, no pressure.
What's up, bro? 
K: Hey, what's up man? Can you--
-Okay, do you mind if I go pee right now? 
You can, like, vent off to the chat.
K: Dude, I have to do the same! What am gonna-- 
What do we [inaudible] mid air?
-[laughs]
K: -All right, let's-- let's, uh, let's take turns. You go first.
-Okay, okay, I'll go first and the you'll go. 
K: [laughs]
-I love that, that's hilarious.
K: Alright, uhm, hey, what's up, stream?
 How ya doin'? [laughs]
Awwkwaard. 
And my dog's barking in the background.
Uhm,
yeah so, like, uh, I can't wait to, like, just get into this
 and have like a real conversation.
I hate being in the position of being the f-cking Onision defense attorney but, I mean, no one else is doing it,
no one else is doing it so I'm gonna have to-- 
I'm gonna have to be the Onision defense attorney.
Yeah, it is pretty awkward, I'm not gonna lie.
If you're blocked on Twitter you should be unblocked in, like, three months. I do it about four times a year, 
I unblock everyone.
You know, sometimes you have to block people, like,
I love re-ading my Twitter feed, like, I read, like,
I would say realistically speaking about 40% of all the tweets tweeted at me which is-- that's a lot.
I'm on Twitter all day
and, like, if you have people just spamming nonsense, like, you have to get them out of the feed
so, if you're blocked and you're complaining in the chat, you're probably an annoying little b-stard on Twitter.
"Interview Billy The Fridge," ugh, I love Billy.
Billy's a good guy, I was really upset when the Anti O's, like, started attacking Billy because, like, he's
actually a really good guy
 and he's not really
the Onision defender, he's just a 
nice guy to literally everyone [laughs]
so, you know, a lot of people 
were seeing that as, like,
he was out there defending Onision or (is) Onision's best friend and that's just not right,
at all.
Like, Billy The Fridge is just a nice guy 
to everyone and that's all that was.
-Alright, that was a great piss.
If you want to go and have a pee before we start. 
K: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'll be right back.
-Alright, go on. [laughs]
K: I am back, sir.
-All right, welcome back.
K: Okay, so where do we begin? I mean, there's
been a lot of talk about, you know,
this-- I did a horrible job on the interview and I hear people say that and I've heard you say that
but I don't hear a counterpoint, I don't hear, like--
-I mean, look, I-- I-- I-- I was straight
up, like, I was watching it, it took a while
but I sent that DM because I was-- I felt
like you were getting stepped on.
It wasn't even so much about bringing up bad points
but, to an extent, he was humiliating you.
Like, that-- I saw that, I'm like, "dude"-- 
 Cause you haven't posted it to YouTube yet, have you?
K: Uh, no, it won't go on YouTube,
 it's gonna stay on, uh,
[inaudible].
-And why is that?
K: Uh, just to make as much money as I can
just like you and just like Repzion
and just like anyone else, you know, I came late 
to the party so I gotta get my bag too.
-But wouldn't you make money if it's on YouTube?
K: Dude, way more on Snapchat! Way more.
-[laughs] Okay, okay, I'm sorry, I guess--
well, cause your video yesterday said that it 
would be going up but, uhm, basically I thought that
some of the reason why it wasn't on YouTube would be because I-- I felt like he talked over you a lot and, like,
he deflected a lot of your questions so it's not even a matter of the opposite points as much as it is, like,
him humiliating you. 
Like, do you not feel that at all?
K: No, I didn't feel like he humiliated me
at all, I mean, it's-- it's Onision, right?
Like, when he would like talk over me or whatever that kind of made him look bad, it didn't make me look bad, you know?
Like, the whole point of the Onision interview is really to give the guy a platform, to give the guy some views,
to put his side of the story out there that isn't being represented by-- no offense, by any of these guys, 
you know?
If Onision makes a point that questions the-- I don't know, I guess the trust or questions the integrity
of the so-called victims, that doesn't get covered by anyone's channel, no one would cover that.
No one is uploading a video to YouTube saying, 
"look, Onision has a point, here, this is what he says
and this is what Sarah did," like, 
no one's doing that at all, you know?
Everyone understands that there's a giant mob out there that wants Onision removed so if everyone's making
content to pander to that mob, uhm, and, look,
 I-- I can't blame people for that, I mean,
I imagine that you actually hate Onision 
and you want him gone, right?
So you're not, like, trying to hide the fact that you're not biased, I mean, you inject your opinions and, like,
you say it, like, "he's a horrible guy, we need 
Onision taken down," I get it, that's totally fine
but there's no one out there, like,
 trying to give him a chance.
-Well, I mean,
there is a lot of points that I could counter from what he said and I was kind of countering them live
because I have looked into this extensively and while I do-- and, I mean, I appreciate that you acknowledged
when we talked yesterday that I'm one of
the more fair ones because while I do have,
like, a bias against the guy, obviously I don't like him, 
I don't-- you know, nobody needs to like him,
I mean, you said yourself that
 you don't like him but, at the same time,
I-- I think that it is possible to do not
like someone and still conduct in a fair manner
and when I inject my commentary in my videos,
I kind of make fun of his behaviors
so it's not so much of him as a person, you'll never 
hear me on my videos say, "oh, what a f-cking idiot,"
or "augh, Onision's a piece of sh-t," you'll never hear me judge him as a person as much of his behaviors.
That's kind of how
I like to conduct, uhm, and--
K: Well, and the one of the reasons why
 I really, really wanted to make this interview
is because Onision keeps on saying, "look, I didn't flirt with Sarah, I-- I didn't try to hook up with Sarah,
I didn't-- I didn't-- I didn't do anything with Sarah until she was above the age of 18 so how could anybody possibly call me a groomer?"
and I don't think that point has been represented, 
is there any proof that Onision flirted
or did anything with Sarah prior to her being 18?
-Uhm, again, this-- this would be kind of testimony so, like, she says yes, he says no and, I mean,
his whole thing-- 
K: She says yes? Plea-- please-- what did
she say? Could you please represent, like,
what she's saying prior--
-What she has said is that--
K: --prior to her being 18?
-What she has said is that as soon as, like, one of her-- one of her later trips to Washington,
when she was close to being 18, he started injecting the idea of, like, them maybe dating
and he gave her, like, a hug, like, he hadn't-- like, he hadn't never done before, like, a really tight bear hug
and she was really confused because he had always mistreated her and called her Meg Griffin and all that so--
K: Okay, come on, grooming? A big hug, grooming?
-I mean--
 K: Let's be-- we gotta be realistic, like, we have to--
I understand everybody hates Onision 
but let's be f-cking realistic: a hug? GROOMING?
-That's not-- look, that's not the whole case,
okay, that's just one thing where I started and
here's the thing about grooming, it's complicated because you don't know that you're being manipulated until you're out of it, right?
So for-- for him to use a text message of while she was being groomed and still in that zone is kind of 
counter productive
and it also doesn't make sense to me for him 
to say that she's-- her statements are invalid
when he expects us to believe his statements
where she says, "I'm gonna ruin your life,"
like, how do we-- how do we know that's true if what she says-- like, if we can descredit Sarah's statements,
why shouldn't-- why shouldn't
we discredit his statements?
K: No, but that's my point. 
It's-- it's he said-she said;
that's my point. 
-But you let him-- you let him have that,
you didn't-- why didn't you say that then?
K: What do you mean "I let him have it"? 
Of course I let him have it.
You guys are not representing his side, 
you're only representing the victims side.
-Well, I felt it wasn't really a balance,
like, as much as you can say that I'm biased
but you were-- you kind of leaned towards
him because-- and I understand, like,
the anti Onision--
K: It's his interview, it's his interview, right?
It's not-- this is not like a, uh, I'm not playing cop, I'm not the leader of the Anti O's bringing Onision to, uh, to,
uh, you know, yell and scream at him and say, "no! I know you're a p-dophile, admit it right now!" I mean, that's not--
that's not what the interview is, the interview 
is a chance for Onision to defend himself,
something that he hasn't gotten.
-And-- and here's also another point because, uh...
[sighs] sh-t, it's-- it was a lot to
take in because I understand, like,
in no way would I have wanted you to yell at him, 
you know, and I've seen a lot of, like,
these "debates" that he has with people 
where he tries to get on people's skin.
Most people that he talked to, if he talked to them
 the way he talked to you I think they would have
yelled at him or maybe gotten mad and I was starting to wonder, like, "damn, if I conducted this interview,
would I have done better?" because it is frustrating to watch, like, I felt-- I felt partially bad for you, the way he
was kind of talking over you and stuff
but then I started wondering, like--
K: [inaudible] 
-"Could I have done it by myself?"
K: You know what, again though, didn't that make Onision look bad? It didn't make me look bad--
-Yeah.
K: I just let him talk, you know?
-There is that but, at the same time, I feel
bad watching this because he's talking
about Sarah being ab-sed as a child, 
you know, like, it's-- it's a--
he said that he took her in because she was being hit by her mom and her mom denied the allegation yet he's still
saying this like no problem, you know, it--
there's a lot of things that are just uncomfortable.
K: I didn't-- okay, well, we got to try to
understand this then: why did the mom allow the--
you know, Sarah to go stay over there 
at such a young age?
-Yeah.
K: Why?
-There's no doubt in my mind that there was something messed up going on there and especially the repercussions, like, like,
grooming, okay, like-- 
K: [inaudible]
-Let's cut away the grooming label but
mental ab-se, dude, this is a girl that was his fan since 12-years-old, visited him months after she turned 16
and idolized these people so there was a point where if we knew the context of these text conversations which
I know some of it it's, like-- Kai was always crying, Kai is literally always crying and to make Kai feel better,
Sarah would say, "no, I'm not grooming, if anything,
 I'm grooming you guys" to make Kai feel better
but he doesn't provide this kind of
 context to the text messages, you know?
So obviously it makes her
 look bad in hindsight but
Kai is always crying and
that's something that he's even said
and it's manipulative and there's just a lot of inconsistencies in his own stories that he even says.
K: Oh, I think-- I think Onision is-- would
be emotionally ab-sive, like, 100%,
like, I just think-- I just think that, like, I mean, just the way he acts all the time, he's just a jerk, right?
He's a jerk, right, so if you're-- if you're saying that, you know, Onision was mean and, like, bullying and,
 you know, emotionally ab-sive,
I think it's almost impossible for anyone to think, 
you know, like, "naaah," you know what I mean? [laughs]
Like, it's impossible but, you know, when it comes to that, we, like, we all know Onision's an -sshole
but now everyone is talking about serious, serious claims of him being a pr-dator, him being a groomer
and I just-- I need the Internet to show overwhelming proof of this and no one is showing it, it's a 
he said-she said situation
but, even though it's he said - she said, the Internet is saying that Onision is f-cking guilty and it's like--
it's like, I-- you know, the man deserves
 to have his say as well.
-Which he did. [laughs]
Well, okay, let me ask you this: why do you 
feel so strongly about this because,
you know, obviously there was James Charles who was completely destroyed way worse than Onision 
I would say,
like, in a way more colossal way. 
K: Yeah.
-And then it took him, like, a week or two I think to make his own comeback video and he k-lled it on his own,
so why does Onision need a helping hand? 
Why does he need that?
K: Oh, just so you know, before James Charles made his second video, DramaAlert uploaded a video saying,
you know, "we need to stop the cancelling of James Charles because there's not enough proof here".
-Yeah 
K: You know?
Uh, look, if something comes out and it's wrong, I'll be the first one to say, "hey, look man, this is not adding up,"
you know? And sometimes it's making the person look bad, like, for example, there was a story with, uhm...
Why am I forgetting his name right now? The guy that hangs out with dears, what is his name? [laughs]
-Shoot, I don't know. 
K: I can't think of his name!
There's a YouTuber that, like,
 dances with dears and stuff,
he's a pretty cool dude.
-Dances with dears? 
K: Uhm--
yeah, he dances-- ugh, someone in the chat please say it cause, augh, without knowing the name it's horrible telling this story.
Someone in the chat will say it but, anyhow, he got into a-- there was a clip of him getting beat up, right?
And so he put out some messaging 
that he was jumped and stuff--
Brother Nature! Thank-- thank you, chat.
-Oh, Brother Nature! Okay, I've seen that, 
yes, I've seen that, okay.
K: Yeah, yeah. Thank you, chat.
You know, everyone was like, "man, he got jumped and da, da, da, da, da" and dude, I got so much hate, I'm like,
"dude, there's more to this story, I mean, the guy that's saying that beat him up is saying that Brother Nature 
was drunk" and,
you know, so I will take a bunch of hate to just to get to the truth of a story, I don't care about that
and I'll go against the mob
 if I think the mob is wrong. 
-That's fair.
K: And in this situation,
the mob is wrong. 
100% the mob is wrong-- the mob is wrong.
The-- the Anti O's are constantly putting
out false information about this non-stop,
my Twitter feed is, like, saying-- people saying, "oh yeah, Sarah was living there when she was 14-years-old,"
I mean, it's just ridiculous.
If you-- the fact that I was interviewing Onision; 
when I announced it, the very top comment
of the first tweet that came is 
"Keemstar is a pr-dator", "Keemstar as a p-dophile".
So you have this angry mob out there
 putting out tons of false information,
overstepping in so many different scenarios but
 there has to be a balance of some sorts.
You know, if Onision was uploading these defense videos on his channel and you, The Right Opinion,
Repzion, like, went in and made your own, you know, videos saying, "look, this is what Onision's saying.
Does he have a point? Is Sarah lying? Is-- is Billie lying? Is Shiloh lying?" like, if there was a fair and balanced
content out there, I don't think I'd even
get involved because, quite frankly,
this Onision stuff is not really the kind of content
that DramaAlert even covers, right?
Like, he's so far irrelevant from pop culture that
it's-- I mean, look at-- look at the video on DramaAlert,
it has a half a million views, that's really low compared to what I normally pull on DramaAlert, right?
-Yeah.
K: In Snapchat, we pulled three mil which
I was-- I'm pretty happy for but that's 3 videos
so each one of those videos has about a million views so I got way less views than normal but,
uh, to finish up my point, you know, again, Onision just-- he needed a platform to defend himself,
he needed actual viewers because he wasn't 
getting that in his own defense.
-I-- I guess I agree to disagree because he was getting a good chunk and I don't think that this grown man, 
34-years-old,
needs a helping hand, you know? I mean, 
he's got over million subscribers and, yeah,
each video was getting, like, 30 to 80 thousand
 views each but he didn't--
K: Okay, let me give you-- let me give you
a different scenario, okay?
-Uh, okay.
K: Let's say that-- let's say that,
you know, a man was accused of m-rder, okay? [laughs] 
And CNN covers the story,
Philip DeFranco covers the story, I mean, it's just
 huge, the whole world covers the story.
The man is found guilty, right? And then he goes 
to court and then let's say the next day,
like, "Corona Virus spreads all over the country"
is the biggest story
and he gets acquitted at court and 
he's found out not to be the person, right?
It's actually someone else that did it and 
so he gets completely off, right?
So what-- what happens is because this Corona Virus story is so big, they don't cover the part
where this guy's innocent so he's still walking around his neighborhood and everyone's thinking he's a m-rderer
because he never got-- never got a plaquing.
-Okay, okay, okay--
K: [inaudible]-- he never got news coverage,
do you understand what I'm saying?
-Yeah, I understand. I just-- I just don't
see the equivalency because but-- but we just--
I don't want to, like, circle talk about it because 
I agree to disagree because, like I said,
this is a 34-year-old man that's
 been on YouTube for the past, like,
since the beginning as far as 
I can remember he's been on YouTube
but we can move on to the next point because--
K: That's a-- that's a really bad example.
I see the chat spamming.
-And, I mean, look, here's the thing--
K: '"It's a straw man argument"?
No, it's not a straw man argument at all, that's not 
what a straw man argument is.
-But, look, like, I do understand, trust me--
K: [inaudible]
-I understand what you're saying and--
K: You don't even know what's-- this is what I'm saying, the Anti O people are really dumb,
like, "straw man argument"-- 
-Well--
K: [inaudible]
-Let's just disregard it for a second because--
K: I just-- you gotta call them out, 
there's a lot of stupid people, there's--
-No, no, no, bro, bro,
I told you yesterday that I made--
K: --really, really dumb--
intelligent people in this movement that are ruining the movement, like, from the outside looking in,
everyone is laughing at this, like,
 wow, these guys are dumb.
-I don't disagree there, I mean, to an extent,
I don't disagree because, like I told you yesterday,
I made a video about some of the things that
 Shiloh's said that are objectively incorrect
and people came at me saying, like, "well, you know, her PTSD excuses it, Edwin, how f-cking dare you?" I'm like,
"dude, you just don't talk to someone
 like this no matter what,
you can't just--"
K: Okay, well--
-So I can--
K: Does Onision have a PSD-- uh, [laughs]
PSTD excuse at all? Like, maybe he was r-ped
as a child, you know? Does he get off--
-No, no, no, Onision did actually have a traumatic--
his own trauma, that's the thing, that's the funny part.
We can't just go around excusing everything-- 
K: But that's what I'm saying! Like, no one is fair,
no one is fair. 
-Right, right.
So I get it, what I'm trying to say is that I get-- I get your point, I get it, I've been through it through other videos 
as well.
I understand the desire to, like, want to stand up
 for people like that, I get it, I respect it
but, you know, let's get back to the actual interview
 itself because for the grooming, okay,
let's disregard the grooming but you made 
several other points in which
he just kind of aired things out and,
well, I mean, I already showed you yesterday the example of the whole forums; that's the easy go-to
because he did have forums where underage 
people were on there and he acknowledged that
so he lied right there to you.
K: Yeah, uhm,
I didn't-- I didn't know that until after the interview that
 I talked to you about so I am planning on doing some
follow-up questions to Onision and that
 will definitely be one of them.
I really-- I think some of the most, like, d-mning proof against Onision is the website, is the rating of the girls.
I think that's just-- I mean, you're  basically asking, 
you have to know that you're asking
for underage girls to do that stuff. 
-Yeah,
and you were trying to say that-- 
K: That's the--[inaudible]
-Before-- before you even having that evidence, you were trying to say that so that's-- that's-- that's good, that's respectable, right?
Because he didn't want to accept that. 
Now, I think that if you-- like, because
your video can be seen as unfair and biased in itself because, you know, you're not providing the other side
because you're letting him speak but 
you should also-- you should also--
K: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Go to-- 
go to YouTube and type in "Onision."
Do you see those 7,000 videos? 
That's the other side.
-Yeah. Okay, well, my suggestion is if
you do revisit it--
K: Let's be real.
-Is to actually show, like, him contradicting himself. 
K: Let's be real.
[laughs] Let's be real.
7,000 videos on Onision this year over the last 12 months: that is the other side. Let's be real.
-But if he's saying something-- okay, because
the reason you gave to me for--
for allowing him to speak on your platform is to make sure he gives his side but if you're knowingly--
knowingly giving him a side but he's giving
the wrong-- like, knowing that he's lying,
isn't it only, like, a responsible thing to
show that he's lying? Like...
K: About what? About what part--
-Well, about an easy example,
the whole underage people on his forums.
K: Look, you know, I questioned him about that,
 he gave his-- he gave his response to that
and then after the fact, I'm talking to you and you-- you say, "hey, look, there's some actual proof
that he knows that underage people
 are over there," right? So,
yeah, I can't go back in time, I'm not 
Marty McFly over here. 
-Sure, sure.
Oh, I'm just saying cause you said you would want to revisit it for another part so, like, I would suggest to
kind of, maybe if you do end up revisiting it, 
implement that kind of thing, you know?
K: Yeah, no, definitely. I already said.
-Okay, okay, cool.
Alright, that's a fair thing, that's all I'm kind of trying to suggest because if there's something that he's
objectively lying to you about, like, there's no reason for me to say that, "Edwin, you're being biased" because
it's a fact, like, he said it himself
this kind of thing.
I can't-- there's so many things that he said in this-- this whole interview that were just a lot that I'm trying
to think of off the top of my head because I have you
here but I don't know, let me see in chat.
God, the chat is a lot right now.
K: I love the chat, the chat-- I love the-- the fai-- the-- the great line of "do your research! Do your research!"
like, wait, what-- what? What? Make the point. Make the point, don't say the interview's bad, don't say
 "do your research,"
state what you're saying, like, what-- what is the research that should have been done? What is the fact?
Because most of the times, the facts that are being presented from the Anti O community are false, they're just-- they're just wrong.
So many times these are wrong, like, you going out saying "it's 100% proven Onision is a p-dophile," like, that
that's not a fact! That's your opinion. 
-I've never said that.
You'll never hear me
say that, I'll never say that.
K: You know, that-- that is an opinion 
that you have, right?
-I don't think that at all! I don't think
that he's a p-dophile, no.
K: "A 100% Onision is a pr-dator," again,
that's not a fact!
-Oh, oh, you're talking to the chat? Okay.
[laughs]
K: The chat, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
I'm talking to the chat. 
-Okay, yeah, yeah, the chat is very, like, 
hyperbolic and stuff
and, you know, that's the worst part because, you know, one of the victims that, like-- I think-- I think
there's one thing between the Anti O and people like
Shiloh that literally said that he's a pr-dator
that looks for preteens and I'm like, "Shiloh,
what are you doing?" so, like, yeah,
I'm the one that's calling that out and I got heat
for it so I understand that perspective.
K: Well, there is-- there is one thing that
I really f-cked up on the interview and one thing that
I'm really mad at myself because I made a mental note to make sure that I cover this but I don't--
I don't do scripts when I do DramaAlert, I just talk because I want it to be as natural as possible, I don't--
I don't want it to be bad although, trust me, dealing with Onision in the beginning, as you can see,
he was very, very shy, like, the answers that were coming back, like, it just-- there was a lot of dead air, right?
So it took a while for him to open up and
for it to be a real conversation.
But one thing I've been beating myself up over ever since I've released it because I didn't even think about it
till after it was out was that I didn't question
 Onision on the copyright strikes.
-Right, exactly. [laughs]
K: Yeah.
-Cause-- cause it was something that-- 
K: --that was one thing that--
-Just-- just the other day, I saw that Alinity copyright strike or something, I'm, like, okay, that should get
anybody upset even you so he ab-ses that so much--
K: I-- I wish people that are criticizing me from this Anti O community, I wish they would just take 2 seconds
and, like, try to put yourself in my shoes - there is
 SO much information [laughs] there's so many details,
how do you contain this within an hour?
Like, to actually do an interview with Onision and cover this whole subject, you need at least 2 hours,
that's the only way you would-- would be able to get through and you want to get through all of it, it would--
I mean, interviewing Onision is like visiting 
Disney World, like, you need 3 days
to actually-- 
-Dude, no--
K:--get through eveything. [laughs]
-I definitely agree with that, like, in my
proposal, if I was to interview him,
I would definitely want to be there for, like, 3 hours
and-- and now watching this, I'd want to be, like,
having someone to tap out, like, okay,
here, maybe like The Right Opinion, right?
Anybody else just, like, take over for a second because think this is a lot, this dude talking over me,
I can't handle that disrespect.
K: Well, the problem we run into is, you know, the deal that me and Onision made. It was a very simple deal:
he'll come on, he'll do the interview, 
I can ask whatever I want but
I can't cut anything.
And, you know, I think that's fair, you know? Like, his biggest fear was that, you know, I was going to chop it up
and make him look as guilty as possible because so many people have done that, they have taken,
you know, things that he said completely out of 
context to use against him so,
you know, it is challenging to produce an interview that you can't chop up and turn it into as entertaining as possible.
-So are you set that you're gonna revisit it or 
is that just an idea going around?
K: Revisit what?
-The, like, doing a follow-up interview.
K: Oh, no, we are doing a follow-up interview.
-And are you also doing this with LeafyIsHere?
K: Yeah, Leafy's gonna be on it which is gonna make it-- there's gonna be a lot of jokes so--
-Right.
K: --the Anti O are gonna be very upset
because it's gonna be, you know, making fun of this and, you know, not taking this serious and
yeah, it's gonna be a disaster but if that was part of--
-Right, I saw that Nikocado Avocado one and
I can imagine if it's anything like that then...
Whew...
K: I mean, here's the problem: people want Leafy on there, I mean, they were-- they're demanding Leafy is on there, right?
And this is really gonna trigger a lot of people and,
you know, at the end of the day it's-- Onision wants Leafy there [laughs], you know what I mean? So it's, like,
I gotta ask these hard questions, these follow-up questions, Onision is gonna be trying to answer them
with a straight face and Leafy is going to be cracking jokes the whole time so it's going to be an interesting part 4.
-Wait, so is it gonna go strictly to Snapchat as well? [laughs]
K: I don't know yet.
-Okay.
K: It's not--
it's not performing well on YouTube but it is performing well on Snapchat so I-- I don't know.
Maybe it will be a Snapchat exclusive.
-All right, now naturally, this-- this show has a lot of attention and I actually have
some of the people that are directly involved with this whole thing, I don't know if you'd be comfortable me
having a call with one of them maybe they have stronger thoughts than I do because I've been live for
almost 6 hours and I'm a little exhausted but would
 that be okay with you to hear their perspective?
K: Add them to the call?
-Yeah.
K: Oh, sure.
-Because I have someone that was 
actually mentioned in your interview
and I believe Onision made an accusation against her so I feel like that-- that would be, you know, kind of fair to--
K: Who? Sarah?
-No, it was actually Ayalla.
At one point, Onision that Ayalla wanted to sleep with Sarah and that was a little bit weird.
Now, I know there's a lot of characters, a lot of people that went to his house and that's-- that's a bizarre thing, you know, he--
a 30+ year old man bringing in teenagers constantly, there's 18-year-olds, 17-year-olds, 19-year-olds.
But, you know.
K: Well, even-- even that, is that really
fair for you to say, Edwin? Because was he--
was he bringing them in or was
 his 20-something year old husband
Kai the one bringing them in? Like,
let's be-- let's be honest and fair here.
Who inviting them? 
-Well, it's a mix,
because for Billie and Ayalla I believe they came in to collaborate but, yeah, let me try to get Ayalla in here.
"I can call you--" I think I'm gonna have to call her because I don't know if she has Discord.
Is there anything particular you want 
to get off your chest from this?
Ayalla: Uhm, I personally just wanted to say that Greg did lie multiple times in his interview which I think that is glossed over but
I think when people are disregarding this grooming accusation, as Keemstar says is not a thing,
I think that they're really leaving out a
lot of the details about how Sarah was contacted at 14,
about how they wouldn't let her move there until 
she was above the legal-- legal age of consent,
about how they had discussed being in a relationship with her way before she was 18,
these are not facts that should
be glossed over, you know?
K: Can I ask you a question? Is there--
is there proof that Onision-- I know that there was definitely flirting going on with Kai and Sarah, right,
now, Onision says, "hey, I can't speak for Kai" or he says, you know, "they were joking and those were jokes"
but is there any proof that Onision was, you know, pursuing or flirting with Sarah before she was the age 
of 18?
A: So, there isn't, like, any concrete, like, receipts of any kind of that but the thing about grooming is grooming
is emotional ab-se and a large part of that is Greg was really, really terrible to Sarah while she was a minor,
he would constantly make fun of her for the
way that she looked, the way that her body looked,
he once made fun of her for being a virgin and these are all things that would really, really tear down the 
self-esteem of a teenager
and it made her crave his acceptance which is just another layer to grooming, you don't have to be
nice or flirtatious to somebody to groom them.
K: Right. 
A: There are other ways to be ab-sive.
K: And-- and I totally agree with you and I agree with what you're saying and I agree that Onision is a horrible person [laughs]
and, you know, maybe that-- may-be that is
how he groomed her but that's not, like,
what-- what is the law for grooming? 
Like, wouldn't there have to be an active--
A: Well, see, I have never claimed
 that grooming is illegal.
The only reason that I ever brought this
 to attention is because it's wrong.
I don't think that you can go to jail for grooming but 
that does not mean that it's not wrong
and if people don't know about it, more
 people could fall into this same trap.
K: I mean, it's classic-- like, look, that's classic
guy-girl relationship-- ab-sive relationship
type stuff, like, you know, you treat the girl
like sh-t or the girl treats the guy like sh-t to make the guy or girl want them even more, you know?
I mean, that's, like, that's a typical thing 
that everyone understands and knows, right?
-Okay, I want to interrupt real quick--
K: It's hard-- it's hard to say that that is grooming
[laughs], you know what I mean? 
-What would you consider as proof for this, Keemstar?
K: Uuhh,
proof for what?
-Well, because you said there's isn't any proof so, like,
what would be validating? Because, also, Ayalla, 
cause you were there when Sarah was there.
Ayalla and Billie were two women that visited 
Onision's house while Sarah was also there
so I'm not sure what you saw, Ayalla, but
I would consider you a witness if you 
saw anything, did you-- did you see anything?
A: I didn't particularly see anything, like,
too weird. There were times where Greg would
sort of push the conversation, if we were ever in group settings, he would push the conversation, like,
towards s-xual things or towards--  he always
 said that he was joking and that's sort of
his defense for everything is that he was never serious, he was always joking but he would always,
you know, push the conversation too far 
regardless if Sarah was there or not
and things like that but, when I was there, 
when me and Sarah talked privately,
she did tell me about how sometimes
Greg said things to her that made her uncomfortable
and that's something that she said directly
to me while she was underage.
-16.
A: So it's not-- it's not as though--
yeah, she was 16 at the time. So it's not as 
though these things didn't happen
but, to be fair, of course Greg wouldn't record these types of things and, you know, when you're underage
or you're in a situation where you are, you
know, being groomed or whatever, you don't,
you know, know to keep note of these things,
you don't realize that these things are wrong,
and so, like--
-Or do it in front of someone else-- sorry. Yeah.
A: Right, and you also don't generally do it in front of other people and, like, she always, like, whenever she
brought up things that he said to her that made her uncomfortable, he would always say them when she was alone.
K: Let me give you an example: Romeo Lacoste is a tattoo artist, very popular, did tattoos for all the stars
and YouTubers and I was really cool to him. I've seen him at LA parties, hung out with him, had drinks with him
but eventually, like, text messages came out between him and underage girls and then recently I did a--
I did an interview with one of his victims and
 she had it on the FaceCam, right?
Like, of Romeo showing his p-nis to her 
and she was 16 from Florida, right? So,
you know, it's...
when you say there's no proof, there's just unfortunately no proof and the fact that everybody agrees that there
was no s-xual  intercourse or anything until she was 18 and five months, I mean, I-- I don't know what else
there could be-- I don't know why there were all these videos saying that Onision is going to jail
and the FBI is investigating and this is a 
shut-and-close case and he's 100% guilty
because it's really hard to look at this
 and be fair and see him to be 100% guilty.
-Okay, okay. 
K: I can see him guilty as a horrible person,
a mean person, a manipulative person, emotionally ab-sive, 100%, I can see that all day long but I can't see
the grooming and I can't see that he's a pr-dator,
 he's a p-dophile, I just can't.
A: Keemstar,if you can admit that Greg is emotionally ab-sive and he emotionally ab-sed Sarah until she was 18
and then slept with her, would you
 not consider that grooming?
K: No, cause that's not really
 what grooming is, you know?
-Uhm, I-- I...
K: I understand your view, why you say it's grooming, I get your point, right? And we all understand and we all understand that--
A: I-- I also never claimed that Greg did
this alone, Kai was also a big part of it.
And if you, you know, take Greg's actions
isolated then, sure, it's not the most extreme case
it could be but it does not mean that,
you know, these things didn't happen
but a lot of it was through Kai and I think that,
you know, like, we keep glossing over because
everybody's pointing the finger at Greg but
it was Greg AND Kai and I feel like
that's a big thing that you're missing, to be like, "oh, Greg is innocent" but Greg and Kai are a married couple,
they live together, they communicate, you know, like, they moved of a 16-year-old girl from an ab-sive household
into their home and would joke about it, like,
Sarah's spent time with Kai--
K: Wait, wait, wait, was it-- was it-- was it--
A: --in the bath, like, they-- they did follow the
 steps of grooming, if you look up "grooming".
I've tweeted them a few times but they found somebody who came from a poor situation, an ab-sive household,
they took her in and gave her oppor-tunities that she would not have otherwise had, they desensitized her
to s-xual situations and conversations, they truthfully did follow every step, if you look up "grooming,"
they do check every box when it comes to the
textbook definition of grooming.
K: You said-- you said that she was in an ab-sive relationship-- relationship with her family, correct?
-Yes, that's what she said.
K: But you just told me, Edwin, that 
Sarah said that Greg lied.
-Well, I didn't say he lied about 
that ever, wait, I mean--?
A: Well, I'm just saying from Greg's perspective,
he took her from an ab-sive home but, like--
-He lied about many things but it 
doesn't mean that he lied
about her being in an ab-sive household. 
K: No, no, no, no, stop,
I don't want to lose this point, all right?
-Okay, okay.
K: Uh, I believe you told me, Edwin, that
Sarah said that Greg was lying that
Sarah never told Greg that 
her mother was ab-sing her.
-No, I'm going off of what Onision said, like, wasn't it in your interview that Onision said that her mother
 denied it?
K: You just told me earlier in this
 interview that Sarah denied it.
-No, no, no, no, I said that Onision-- in the interview 
you had with Onision, Onision said
that Sarah's mom denied it which, you know, it 
doesn't even matter because Onision's saying
that she was ab-sed, that's only backing
 up the point that Ayalla is making.
I heard Onision say that Sarah was being ab-sed by her mother and that, apparently, Sarah's mother denied it.
O: "When she accused her mom of beating her,
her mom said, 'what the f-ck are you talking about?'"
-I believe I heard it but I'm not sure where this is going.
K: Did Sarah deny it? Did Sarah say that she was not in an ab-sive relationship with her mother?
-To be completely frank, I've not talked to Sarah about this information, that's why it made me uncomfortable
to even hear through the interview because 
that's the first time I ever heard it.
K: I lost you.
-I said that I had never heard-- Sarah has
never told me about her ab-se at home
and I never asked her about that so it made me
uncomfortable to hear Onision talk about it
because that's the first ever heard it so
me learning about that was through Onision.
K: Uhm, you know...
There needs to be proof. [laughs]
 It just boils down to, like,
there needs to be proof. 
You know, I totally understand--
-And, look, here's the thing-- 
K: [inaudible]
-Beyond Ayalla, who was told in
 the home as it was occurring,
there is, like, okay, because at this point, 
this is something that is so difficult to prove
because someone that is behaving in this manner
 and carelessly lying with-- with no problem,
they're gonna try to cover it up, you know? They're not gonna be obvious about it, he's very clever.
He's already proven to tiptoe about other things unrelated to grooming, unrelated to all this stuff,
like, the-- the copyright for one, that's the easy one and then the whole, like, forums and other-- other lies,
there's-- there's other ones that I can't think 
off the top of my head but trust me,
if you were to rewind this live stream 
I went through many but, uhm,
of course he's not gonna have his, like, he's a clever guy in that he's not, like, like Romeo Lacoste because
he didn't have the evidence just like that. 
It will be harder to catch this guy, of course, but
you will find people and, you know, the reason why 
I would-- I would have want to, like,
do an interview with Sarah is because if I were
to fly to Michigan and do one with her, I would--
I would interview her friends because
she says that they told her "don't go"
and they saw it all through it before so I'm not
sure how much proof you would want but
if she has all these witnesses telling her that
this is wrong from back then and Ayalla and Billie
and people that she talked to, Lane, another friend of hers, everybody was seeing it all the way back then.
I don't know how much more proof 
we could really get, you know?
And it's actually--
K: Ayalla-- Ayalla--
Ayalla, would you consider Greg being mean to this girl, Sarah, until she's 18, would you consider that to be, like,
you know, grooming in the sense of enticing
a minor because, like, look, I mean,
To Catch a Pr-dator Mr., uh, [laughs] 
what is his name again?
I'm drawing a blank. 
-Hansen? Chris Hansen.
A: Chris Hansen.
K: Hansen, right?
I mean, Hansen-- he has people coming in who are saying that they want to do s-xual stuff to little kids, right?
And then they get charged
 with enticement of a minor, right?
Of grooming, they get hit with that charge. There's just nothing about being mean to someone,
even though we all know what it is, like, it's-- it's emotional ab-se, right? It's manipulation.
There's nothing like that in the books that he could get arrested for even if there's an overwhelming amount
of proof, you can't--
you can't go into a court of law and say, "Onision being--"
A: [inaudible] is what I said earlier,
I have never claimed that grooming was illegal or
that Greg would go to jail because of this,
I don't know that he will ever truly be 
held accountable for this but
emotionally ab-sing a child is wrong,
taking in a child at 16 and sleeping with her 
shortly after she is 18 is wrong.
What I was saying when I came
forward originally to say that I thought that
Sarah was being groomed was because it was
wrong, not because I thought he was going to go to jail
because I felt like it was necessary for people 
to be aware that this was a real situation
that took place, that Sarah, while
she was underage in that house,
told me that their relationship-- her relationship 
with Kai was more than it had appeared to be
and Sarah even then was terrified, really too scared to elaborate too much on exactly how far their relationship went.
So it's, like-- and that-- that's the thing that continued through their relationship is Greg and Kai both
really, really tried to rein in anything that Sarah would share publicly and they even had her sign an NDA
and when you're not trying to hide--
K: Yeah, there's, uh-- there's tons of proof for that.
Does it make you--
A: [inaudible] --those-- those are not 
things that you would be doing,
you don't-- you wouldn't tell a 16-year-old that she can't tell people what's going on in the house. Like, that--
-Okay, I want to get into that whole NDA thing but before-- because that's-- that's one of the things
I really wanted to get in while Keem is here but another-- one thing-- before I get into that though,
I just wanna-- I just want to say that if we could just, please, because none-- neither me, Ayalla or Keemstar are
police officers or law enforcers or lawyers
so if we just opt out of the whole going to
jail thing because I've never said in my time of covering Onision that he's gonna go to jail or anything,
I don't know, that's not up to me.
I think he's morally corrupt and 
completely unethical to say the least,  you know?
K: I don't think-- I don't think the argument
that I've ever made was that Onision's a good guy.
-Oh, sure, sure.
K: I don't think I've ever made an argument
that said "Onision has never done anything wrong."
-Yeah. 
K: I mean, I believe Onision has treated
everyone he's been in contact with like sh-t; not just Sarah; probably you, I know he treated Billie like sh-t,
he came out and was, like, kicking her out of the house because she smoked weed, I mean,
this is not up for debate if 
Onision is a good person or a bad person.
-Okay, I know, I wasn't trying to get on that tangent--
K: What is up for debate is Onision--
what is up for debate is: is Onision a criminal? 
Like, you can keep changing it
and going back to safe zone of--
-Okay, well, let's forget that.
Let's talk about the whole NDA thing--
K: [inaudible] You can go to a [inaudible]
and you say "Onision's a bad guy" and then
we all have to agree, right?
-Well, can we talk--
K: But nobody's arguing that. 
--about the NDA?
Because can you explain how you understand the NDA? Because, from that interview, it only confused me further
because what is-- what is up with the NDA, Keemstar? Because you interviewed him.
K: I just assumed that he made everybody in that house 
sign something so they couldn't
go around and, you know, use any 
private information to hurt his career.
-But you do realize that the timeline of the-- 
the way that he told it to you was
"she said that she could ruin our career so
 we made her sign an NDA
but then she said that she would only sign it 
if she-- if we would sleep with her" and--
what-- how does this make any sense to anybody?
K: I believe Onision's argument that he made it on his own channel, not in my interview but on his own channel,
was that Sarah really, really, really 
wanted to be with Kai but Kai had no interest
so, in order for her to sign the NDNA-- 
or, I always say that wrong [laughs]
in order for her to sign the NDA, she wanted
what she wanted which was,
you know, an intimate relationship with Kai, 
I believe that's Onision's story.
A: Can I interject here for just a second?
-Please.
A: In Onision's interview with you, Keemstar, he does claim that Sarah was trying really, really hard
to be with Kai but, in his own video,
 he actually states numerous times
that it was actually himself who was encouraging
the relationship between Kai and Sarah,
he says this in his own video on his YouTube
channel so he does contradict himself a lot
whenever he goes over these stories,
 that's all I wanted to add.
K: Uh, yeah, he definitely did say that he
was-- he was pushing for it, right?
That he was on Sarah's side for this.
-Right, and you do know he also--
K: Not in my interview, he did say that on
his own channel, you're right.
-And isn't it-- isn't it a little suspicious that he didn't mention having an actual relationship with Sarah
during the summer of 2019?
K: I don't think it's suspicious because it's, like, I just flat out said that it happened and he didn't really deny
that it didn't happen, he just went off on a tangent, right?
I know a lot of people-- 
-And that he kept--
you're-- you're friendly with Billy The Fridge, 
that he kept her a secret from him,
like, this is the conversation that they both 
had on a live stream that, apparently,
when Sarah was over, he didn't want
 to tell Billy that she was over because they were
actively having s-xual intercourse and stuff 
while Kai was also out of town not knowing.
I mean, this is-- okay, this is off
the point, I guess, nevermind that.
K: Well, I don't-- I know that Billy The Fridge
is nice to everyone, right?
-Yeah.
K: And so it really bothered me that
the Anti O's went after Billy when he went to Onision's door as a joke or as a meme or whatever.
I mean, him and Onision have been very friendly but
Billy The Fridge doesn't talk to Onision on a regular basis, I mean, I talk to Billy The Fridge more than he talks to Onision.
Like, they're-- they're not really close like that, you know? 
-Oh, no, I know that, this is when
 they were close, but yes.
K: So, you know,
for Greg to not want to tell someone that he's not really that close with about someone he's hooking up with, 
I mean,
isn't that everyone's right to keep their 
private life private? Like, I just don't see--
-You know, you bring up a decent point. Isn't it a--
K: Also, at the end of the day, to back up your point, like, it's embarrassing - he's 30-some years old
and he's hooking up with an 18-year-old, you know? Like,
it's embarrassing, he's not gonna-- he's not 
gonna want to tell everyone about it.
-And, well, beyond that, I guess the
 bigger point is also the fact that, uhm.. [sighs]
sh-t, okay, yeah, the whole private life thing because
 the difference here is we're dealing with
a public figure-- 
K: Yo, time out, time out real quick. 
--Onision
and a literal waitress. 
K: If I could just--
I just wanna point out, there's a comment and I want to read this and I just want to explain how this whole thing is falling apart;
this person says, "can't wait when Keem gets exposed. Birds of a feather flock together," like,
this is the-- this is the number one fault of the Anti O community - if anyone has a different opinion than the mob,
they immediately say you are a pr-dator [laughs]
that you are a p-dophile,
I mean, this is a constant thing that happens 
to anyone that has a different opinion.
I'm sure you, Edwin, have been called a p-dophile and a pr-dator because you went against Shiloh, right?
-You're right. Not a p-dophile or a pr-dator
but a p-dophile defender, ridiculous sh-t. Anyways--
K: This is-- this is the end of them--
A: Can I just add to that [inaudible]--
K: [inaudible] of this whole movement--
A: There are a lot of people who don't like
Greg; using the anti Onision mob as your example
for what's wrong in this situation, to me,
truthfully feels so irrelevant
because I'm not part of the anti Onision community.
I went to his house, I met him in real life, I came forward with what I had seen in that house and the things that I knew about.
I'm not Anti O. I'm somebody who truly was there, who was in his house, who spent time with him
and so is Sarah and so is Billie and most
of, well, most if not all of the people
who have come forward were real people and I feel
like you're deflecting a lot of the real things
that happened by saying, "oh, the anti Onision
crowd is ruining this" when, truthfully,
I am a young woman just as many of these other women are who are just coming forward to let people know
what truly happened and I feel like throwing away every statement that I have made and every statement that
Sarah's made and Billie and Shiloh just because there are people on the Internet who we don't know
and have no control over say things that are, you know, wrong or offensive, doesn't mean that anything that we have said is untrue.
-Right, right, and also just to add on to that--
K: But then my follow up to that would be
very simple, you guys also have a responsibility
to, you know, kind of tell the mob that
they're wrong when they are wrong. 
-Perfect, that was exactly what I was about to do, you know? Because, like-- like,
I agreed with you before I even-- 
K: And you don't, you don't.
You guys-- in fact, uhm, Shiloh, I mean, she's-- she's used
 the mob and they're ridiculous, you know?
They're completely, like, wrong, overbearing,
overstepping agenda; she's used them as soldiers.
I mean, with-- 100%, she's manipulated the situation. [inaudible]--
-And I stood against it and I stand against
it again and right now, you're right, cause
I-- like I said, I don't agree that that's
right to encourage that kind of behavior
so, right now, like, whoever is my moderators
here, please, if you see anyone calling Keem
or anybody here a pr-dator or any sort of this language, we don't-- I disavow it, I don't-- I don't stand for it.
I think it's irresponsible and I have myself have said it plenty, I think it's-- I think it's also kind of a different
circumstance because you have someone like Onision who is a public figure and, you know, Sarah,
the main person here in the-- in the centerfold, she is just a waitress, dude. Like, she is an average person as it gets, you know?
And she's not trying to be in the spotlight, she's not trying to go out of her way to capitalize on this at all.
Her biggest-- if you want to say she's made a crime by sharing her Venmo once then, okay, that's her biggest crime.
But what else has she done 
wrong throughout all of this?
K: Who?
-Sarah.
K: I'm-- oh, no, I don't know if she's done anything wrong. I think that the laptop situation was a little questionable.
-Yeah, but that was not her, you know, that's
Chris and I agree with you, bro, because guess what?
Imagine a 19-year-old gets approached by Chris Hansen, of course, she's gonna trust him, that's not her fault, 
you know, so, like,
if you want to take her on that then fine but, like, I think it's Chris Hansen's fault, you know, like, whatever.
Okay, so what's next?
K: If you asked me--
if you asked me who I  would rather be friends with and let's say, you know, this friendship consists of me talking to them, like,
I don't know, like, 3 times a week or something
 for an hour so on the phone,
I'd rather be friends with Sarah, you know? [laughs] 
I've talked to Sarah, Sarah's a nice girl, right?
But again, I have to go back to nobody is
 representing Onision's side at all, it's a giant mob,
if Onision makes a fair point it's not covered,
 it's not getting coverage
and Onision, just like anyone else,
deserves a platform to defend himself.
-Sure and, well, the issue that I have is
that most of his points were unfair
but all right, I think-- I feel like we've discussed 
most of that there is to discuss.
Ayalla, if you have anything else you want to say 
while I have you on, feel free.
A: I pretty much covered everything I wanted
to say but thank you so much for having me.
-Hey, no problem and, uh, all right,
I'm gonna hang up on you. 
K: It was nice meeting you.
-All right.
What-- what are your thoughts now, Keemstar? 
This is a different tone than when we first started, huh?
K: Uh, I mean, I'm just right back to where
I was from the very beginning, you know,
if anyone wants to make a case that Onision's
a horrible person - you win. [laughs]
You know? And I agree with you.
When she comes on and she says that, 
you know, Onision treated Sarah like sh-t,
there's-- I believe it 1,000%, all right? 
When we start talking about grooming
and p-dophile and FBI investigations and getting
arrested, that's where I gotta say,
"hold up, where's the proof for any of these 
wild claims that-- that's being said?"
-Okay, that sounds fair. Those are-- that's
a fair stance I would say.
Now, I would just, you know, you don't owe me anything, you don't owe anybody anything, you can do what 
you want with your channel but
I would just kindly ask that if you could, like, maybe
take a bit of a control because, you know, this-- this is something that emotions affect because
you've acknowledged that it has 
emotionally affected to Sarah
and if you could just be mindful of your next video
on this because she's-- she's not
okay with any of this, like, like-- like, the way that this is proceeded so, obviously, you don't owe her anything.
K: Yeah, but do you think Onision's okay with,
you know, the 3,000 videos on him? [laughs]
-I think that's not comparable, I mean, 
okay, have you seen--
K: Look, you got two people and 
they both have stories, right?
Both of them deserve a fair chance to speak, right?
You can't come at it like Sarah's not okay with this 
so maybe, you know, "don't give Onision"--
no, everybody gets a chance 
to say what they want, you know?
-Now, here's one of the things that Onision
lied to you right off the bat because,
I don't know, maybe is-- you misconstrued it but you asked him if "how come you didn't defend yourself 
right away?"
and he defended himself about a month later, 
he wrote up a blog and then, afterwards,
he quickly became-- began doing
skits on his channel, on his Onision channel
making fun of his ex-wife Skye and making
fun of Shiloh, this is before much was even
really said and he also made a video talking
about Sarah briefly and also all this,
so he's lying right there and I can pull it up
on the screen if you-- it's-- it's a mess--
K: Well, I mean--
-I can send you links to his skits
in which he was humiliating these women before 
they really came out with that much.
So--
 K: Right, and that sounds--
that sounds exactly like typical Onision's behavior but,
clearly, when we're talking about "why didn't you speak up and defend yourself right away?"
we're talking about a video response, right? You 
know what I mean? [laughs] 
-But-- but I'm just saying, like--
K: We're not talking about a tweet, we're not talking about any of this, you know, stuff that would--
-It sounds like you want me to feel bad for Onision when he-- you reap what you sow type thing, right?
If he's-- if he's explicitly making fun of these
 women and in all these ways
and it's, like-- and he also lied to you about 
this whole comments section, he says that
if people get through the system it means they're good people; no, he manually approves them
and I even tested this in the live stream too. [laughs]
You-- you can either--
K: Yeah, I mean-- yeah, I mean, I-- I was--
I was a little confused, he's like,
"well, you should know" and I'm like "well, I've
never turned off the comments," you know? [laughs]
Well, actually I did turn off the comments once in 2016 when, you know, the whole world was trying to destroy me but, uhm,
I don't really know about the new features with filtering the comments, I just don't understand any of that, it's on autopilot but, uh,
yeah, I wanted him to just admit that he was 
filtering those comments and I think he did
but he just probably worded it really wrong.
-Okay. And people are saying that Sarah's in the chat, I don't know if she wants to call in, I mean,
Sarah, you got my number if you are 
but, I mean, I was-- I was about
to close it out but I'm happy to put you on, no problem.
Cause I think it's also stronger, like, I know how 
I feel about it and, like, you know, it's--
and I do try to be objective and you said yourself, you saw my video and, like, you know, I try to make it fair
so if Sarah wants to express herself to show you how she feels because I can only speak for so much
and I don't even try to because...
yeah, anyways.
K: You know, we-- we just had that young lady
on that was in the house, Ayalla, right?
-Yeah.
K: I'm probably butchering that name.
And it's, like, I just want someone to say to me, "Keemstar, why didn't you ask this?
Why didn't you corner him on this? Why didn't you say this?" and no one says that, you know?
-I mean, obviously, all hindsight 20/20, right?
Like, I know-- I know you had, what's-her-face--
K: No, no, no, no, no, tell me, tell me. I
want to know, I'm gonna do a part 4 -
what needs to be asked of Onision?
-Oh, oh, you want me-- I'll happily send you some things to drill on if you want, like that prompt.
K: But there's nothing off the top of the head? [laughs]
-I-- I think we just went over quite a few,
my friend. I said that, first of all,
that the easy one is the forums and him saying
that he never addressed that, he did address, I'll show--
and if you don't think, it's valid, okay, I'll send you a blog and he also did a video, he did a video addressing it,
he didn't say their names but he-- he did show text in which their names was shown, like,
he talked about Shiloh,
 he talked about Regina, he talked about--
when you don't say their names, 
you're still talking about it, you know?
I'll show you-- I'll show you everything,
I'll gladly go through it
but, off the top of my head, I've been livestreaming for 6 hours, you can't really do this to me, man. [laughs]
But, uhm--
K: Do you know if Sarah's coming in or not?
Cause, if not, I'm probably gonna jet.
-Let me see, I didn't really see her in the chat, I just saw people saying that she's here so I'm not sure,
I don't want to put her in an uncomfortable spot either
 I know it's been--
it's been... a h-ll of a show. [laughs]
But yeah, I mean, 
Sarah's welcome to call me.
K: Yeah, uhm, I guess the only advice I would
have to the Anti O'S is, like,
stop being crazy cause you're ruining your movement.
-Fair.
K: You know, that girl that just came on here
and she said, like, look, you know,
"I can't help the Internet from being and saying weird
stuff and da, da, da, da, da, I'm a real person,"
the best way you can help those victims is
not-- not act the way you guys act,
not spreading false information, not calling everyone pr-dators. When you do that stuff, you're ruining--
you're ruining it really for the victims because there is, behind-the-scenes, quite a few YouTubers
that are getting ready to start
making some videos in defense of Onision,
that's some of the chatter-- will it actually
happen? I don't know, but people are talking about it.
-That sounds like fun, would love to see how they 
do that, honestly, it sounds, like, interesting...
K: There's already been some, they started off saying that Onision's not gonna go to jail, have you seen these videos?
-I've seen that but, like, that's not
 defending his actual actions.
K: Well, they kind of started it.
First wave is "he's not gonna go to jail, you guys are all lying, you're-- you're-- you're exaggerating, you know,
FBI investigation," second wave is, and
I'm telling you, I really think it's gonna happen, there's gonna be content that targets the victims
questioning their stories, 
like, I think that is coming next.
-Well, okay.
Look, for many of these people, like, say his ex-wife, she said a lot of her stuff on Twitter and then
she hasn't spoken since so, in that aspect, I don't think she needs to come back to Twitter to, like,
just, like, say "hey, by the way, Onision haters,
stop this." I believe what she did was fine
and then there was also her sister which Onision was also trying to pursue for some reason while he was married,
she said her peace and then she dipped out 
and then Billie did the same thing.
Like, they don't need to constantly
be monitoring these-- these "Anti O's," right?
Like, these Anti O's--
K: No, no, no. No, no, no, you're--
you're not listening to me, all right?
-Okay.
K: You're not-- you're not listening to me,
my point is if they don't say that,
these Anti O's are going to ruin the movement.
-Okay.
K: They're gonna ruin this whole thing.
-Well, I mean--
K: No one's gonna want to be involved in this
anti Onision movement with all these
cringy people running around calling 
everyone p-dos, like, look,
you-- you don't have to that, you don't-- I'm not telling Sarah or any of these victims that they have to come out
and speak against, you know, 
some of these crazies and the Anti O's.
I'm telling them that they should.
-Okay, that's fair. 
K: They should for their own godd-mn credibility,
for their own godd-mn movement of trying to destroy Onision, these people are going to ruin it,
they are gonna destroy this whole 
thing of what you're trying to do.
-I know-- I know at least one of them-- at least two of these people that are directly involved have but, I mean,
I guess I can pass along the message, 
it's decent advice, it's not bad advice.
K: Let me ask you a question, 
did Shiloh ruin the movement?
-I don't know if she ruined it for sure, I wouldn't say that.
I mean, I believe in nuance-- 
K: Did she-- did she--
did she damage the movement?
-To the simple-minded but, like you said,
there's nuance in everything, you know?
K: Well, yeah, because she was overstepping,
she was trying to get accounts shut down,
she was calling people p-dos, like, I mean,
that behavior is going to ruin this movement,
you experienced it firsthand, like, what I'm saying can't even be challenged and so logically understand -
they need to call these people out,
 if they don't do that,
this thing's gonna get out of control and 
it's gonna go the other way.
-Alright.
K: Anyhow--
-Yeah, that was good.
K: Thanks, man.
-I don't think Sarah's gonna call in because
if she was here then she--
she would have called in if she wanted to 
and that's okay so it's no problem.
K: Thanks for having me on, man.
-Hey, no problem, man.
 Thanks for coming. It's-- whoah!
Oh, god.
Oh, god.
Ooouh, f-ck.
Whoh.
What a stream. What a stream.
I mean, [sighs] look, I've said this before and I'll say it again, I'm not a law-- I was never a law student, I was--
I'm not a police officer, I'm not anything. All I do on my channel is enforce what I know, I studied psychology, I
see myself as pretty reasonable guy, I like to add things
to a narrative that I don't see added by other people
and uhm-- okay, Sarah's calling me
now, so-- all right.
Hey, how's it going? 
You okay?
Sarah: Yeah.
How are you? 
-Good.
Just pause it over there so I don't hear myself echo.
S: Are you still on the live stream?
-Yeah, you want me to end it? I'm-- I was wrapping up but if you want to say anything to people or anything.
S: Oh, uhm, yeah, just-- call me back.
-Okay, all right, all right.
[sighs] Alright,
okay, so...
look--
Augh, I don't even-- I, sincerely-- I'm, like--
jesus f-cking christ, I don't know,
 I-- I'm honestly at a loss.
Somebody asked earlier in this live stream "which has been a more stressful story, Die Antwoord or this one?"
And, at the time, uhm,
at the time that that was asked, I was 
leaning towards saying Die Antwoord
but now-- or actually even, even match. But now, I think it's reached the level of equality as far as, like,
which ones are more stressful and then, you know, it's because it gets-- it gets complicated when you, uhm--
my mouth's really dry, I need some wah-wah. [laughs]
When--
you connect with people, you know?
 And anybody that knows me, like,
will know that I call sh-t out as it is. It doesn't matter if, like, it-- it really bamboozles me-- [laughs]
sorry for using that word - bamboozles me when people say that, "oh, well, because you speak with him
or you're friends, you're biased," no, no, no, if I found out that something sketchy was going on,
I would call it the f-ck out and-- and-- and, honestly, I in--
so far, like, I mean, I asked Keemstar straight away, "what has Sarah done that is sketchy?"
what, you're gonna take her for a Venmo or you
 gonna take her for believing Chris Hansen?
Seriously.
All right, guys, but I'm gonna wrap up the show. Thank you guys so much for coming, this was a lot.
Yes, yes, okay, guys, like, like, I think we heard
 it enough that, like, the Anti O's, yes,
that some of them are really intense so,
 hey, if you guys that are intense are listening,
this is, like-- obviously, I don't speak
 on behalf of all the women but
Ayalla said it and, you know, I know Haley
has said it and so as Lane.
Please, try to take it back a notch, you know? 
There are gonna people that don't disagree
but, at the end of the day, most of us do
disagree with Onision and it's interviews like this with Keemstar that really make us realize that, right?
Like, it's, like, dude, we're all in the same team here so-- so to-- to fight within ourselves just because
you don't like somebody's opinion over something or to start throwing labels like pr-dator or p-dophile
towards Keemstar, all this kind of stuff, is just-- it's not gonna go anywhere, that point stands.
And I don't think that--
I don't know, it's just a f-cking mess.
Alright, yeah, and if you guys want to show Sarah some love-- because this is the point that I really wanted to make on my-- on my--
my f-cking mouth's so dry you see, like, dry saliva on my lips so I'm gonna end it but the last thing I want to say
is that the reason-- the thing-- the point that I was trying to make over and over with Keemstar is that
I don't think that it's-- it's fair, he kept saying that it's disproportionate the hate that he was getting.
Now, I-- I can't see this argument because Sarah is
an average person I guess, I don't know how you call it but she is not a public figure.
I think it's completely unfair, distorted and disgusting the amount of details that Onision has gone into her life,
Sarah's not done this about him.
Sarah's talked about maybe some private
details that involve her, Onision and Kai;
never are outside of that, never.
So, how unfair is it for a public figure to 
completely dehumanize Sarah?
That-- that's-- that's the final thing that I want to say and that's-- that's the one thing that I strongly disagree with Keemstar on.
Thanks guys for hanging out with me. I know this wasn't easy and, you know, I know it's easy to hate on Keem 
but I can see that,
like, he's a little stubborn but at least, I hope,
I would like to think that does not
have that intense malicious intent so please, I know--
 I know it's easy to hate on Keemstar but I also do ask that you don't--
you don't leave this live stream feeling inclined to hate on him on Twitter or anything like that, please,
not on my behalf, don't send him anything, don't send him any hate, don't encourage him because
then you're really just encouraging
 this narrative that he has already;
don't encourage the negative that he--
 that Onision haters are-- are, like,
all horrible, all the same because we're not all the same, we're all individuals and that's why I say that
Shiloh maybe damaged it, do you notice he asked me "did she damage the movement?" Maybe for simpletons
but let's not be simpletons here, guys. 
There's nuance, you know?
Each women is-- each woman is an individual, 
that's how I see them.
I don't generalize them all, they're not all the same.
Okay, I think I gave enough speeches.
Thank you guys so much for watching. 
I'm gonna end it for real, now.
Much love, 
thank you for bearing with me.
This was a long and suffering 6 hours.
Shout out to everybody, peace out.
