
English: 
M is for Malady. Or, illness.
Shortly after completing
Difference and Repetition in 1968,
you were hospitalized
for a very severe case of tuberculosis.
You have talked about,
regarding Nietzsche and Spinoza,
the extent to which many great thinkers
have weak states of health.
Henceforth, from 1968 onward,
you were forced to live with illness.
Did you know for a while
that you had tuberculosis,
or did you know that your illness
had been present for a while?
Yes, for quite some time
I knew that had an illness,
but like a lot of people,
I had no real desire to find out,

French: 
M is Maladie
Disease...
Just after putting an end to the manuscript of "Difference and Repetition" in 1968
hospitalized for tuberculosis are very serious. You, you'd have to say about
Nietzsche and Spinoza the great thinkers have poor health, you were obliged
to live thereafter with the disease. Did you know you had tuberculosis
long before you know your wrong or was there long before?
My bad yes, I knew I had something bad in a long, but I think I like most
... people did not have a huge desire to know and also, as most people thought

Spanish: 
- M es Maladie (enfermedad).
- Enfermedad.
Justo después de poner punto final
al manuscrito
de "Diferencia y Repetición" en 1968,
eres hospitalizado por una tuberculosis muy grave.
Tú, que habías podido decir
a propósito de Nietzsche y Spinoza,
hasta qué punto los grandes pensadores
tienen mala salud,
estuviste obligado de vivir a partir de entonces
(desde 1968) con la enfermedad.
¿Sabía que tenías tuberculosis desde mucho tiempo,
o sabías que tu mal estaba ahí desde mucho antes?
¿Mi mal? Sí, yo sabía que tenía
algo malo desde hacía mucho tiempo,
pero creo que soy como la mayoría de la gente:
no tenía un gran deseo de saberlo

French: 
naturally I was a cancer, so I did not feel embattled. And then I did not know
it was tuberculosis, but knew was spitting blood......
I am a child of tuberculosis, but in a time when tuberculosis is no longer assumed
danger, ie where there were antibiotics. It was bad enough ten years ago
or three years ago... a few years earlier could not have survived but now there was no
problem already. It is also a disease that involves pain, I can say I was
very ill but he is a great privilege, is a disease without suffering, curable...

English: 
and also like most people,
I just assumed that
obviously it must be cancer,
and so I was in no big hurry.
I didn't know it was tuberculosis,
not until I was spitting up blood.
I am a child of tuberculosis,
but at the moment of my diagnosis
there was no real danger
thanks to antibiotics.
It was serious, and ten years earlier,
or even three years earlier-
in the beginning-a few years earlier,
I might not have survived.
Whereas in 1968, it was no longer a problem.
Moreover, it's an illness
without much pain,
and so I could say I was very ill,
but it's a great privilege, a curable
illness without pain or suffering.
That's hardly an illness at all,
though it is an illness.

Spanish: 
y además, como la mayoría de la gente
yo pensaba naturalmente que era un cáncer,
por lo que no me sentía muy acuciado.
Y luego no sabía que era una tuberculosis,
no sabía hasta que escupí sangre, entonces...
Soy hijo de la tuberculosis,
pero en un momento en que la tuberculosis
ya no suponía peligro alguno, es decir,
donde en el que había antibióticos.
Era
bastante grave diez años antes o tres años antes.
Unos años antes no podría haber sobrevivido,
pero ahora no había ningún problema ya.
Además es una enfermedad que no implica dolor.
Puedo decir que estaba muy enfermo,
pero que es un gran privilegio,
es una enfermedad sin sufrimiento, curable.

French: 
barely a disease. This disease course, but I had not had before
super-health, I mean, I've always been very tired... I tired easily.
So the question: What makes someone who proposes...
company that is thinking, trying to think? I believe that a health
very poor is favorable for that. It is not in any way that one is listening
of his own life, but to my thinking is anyway to listen in life.
So be attentive to life is not to listen to what happens to you, is something
completely different to think about their own health, but I think it favors fragile health
this kind of listening. When I said that the great authors such as Lawrence or Spinoza

English: 
Before that,
my health was not all that great.
I became fatigued easily.
So is the question whether
an illness makes it easier
for someone who undertakes-
I'm not talking about the success
of the undertaking-
who takes pleasure in
an enterprise that demands thought,
who attempts to think . . .
I think that the weakened state
caused by illness favors this.
It's not that one is tuned in
to one's own life,
but thinking does seem like
I am tuning into life.
Tuning into life is not about
what's going on inside you.
It's something entirely different
from thinking about one's own health.
But I think a fragile state of health
favors this kind of tuning-in.
When I spoke earlier about authors
like Lawrence or Spinoza,
to some extent they saw something
that was too enormous,

Spanish: 
Apenas es una enfermedad,
pero antes yo no había tenido una súper salud,
quiero decir, siempre me cansaba fácilmente.
siempre me cansaba fácilmente.
Entonces la pregunta:
¿Esto facilita a alguien
que se propone (no hablo del éxito de la empresa),
o que le gusta, que tiene por empresa pensar,
intentar pensar?
Creo que una salud muy pobre
es favorable para eso.
No se trata de ninguna
manera de estar a la escucha de su propia vida,
sino que para mí, pensar, es de todos modos
estar a la escucha de la vida.
De modo que estar a la escucha
de la vida no es escuchar lo que te pasa,
es algo completamente
diferente a pensar en su propia salud,
pero creo que una salud frágil favorece este
tipo de escucha.
Cuando dije que los grandes
autores como Lawrence o Spinoza

Spanish: 
de cierta manerahan visto algo demasiado grande,
tan grande que fue demasiado para ellos,
lo cierto es que uno no puede pensar
si no está ya en
un dominio que excede ligeramente su fuerza,
es decir que te vuelve frágil.
Bueno, yo siempre tuve una salud algo frágil
y esto se afirmó en el momento
en que pasé a la tuberculosis,
y con ella adquiría todos los derechos
de una salud frágil.
fue como tú dijiste.
Pero tus relaciones con los médicos
o los medicamentos han cambiado desde entonces,
es decir, tuviste que ver a los médicos,
tuviste que tomar medicamentos regularmente,
y bueno, se convierte en una especie
de obligación.
Sobre todo porque a ti no te
gustan mucho los médicos.
Sí, personalmente
no se trata de nadie en particular,
porque como todos los que he conocido
son doctores encantadores, deliciosos.

English: 
so enormous that it overwhelmed them.
It's true that one resists thinking
if one isn't already in a state
which surpasses one's strength,
which makes one fragile.
I have always been in
a fragile state of health,
and this was confirmed
from the moment
I was diagnosed with tuberculosis,
at which point
I acquired all the rights accorded
to those with fragile states of health.
Yes, it's precisely as you put it.
But your relations with doctors
and drugs changed from then on:
you had to visit doctors,
you had to take drugs regularly,
it was a constraint imposed on you,
all the more so since
you do not like doctors much.
Personally speaking, it's not
a matter of individuals.
Like everyone, I often come across
delightful, charming doctors,

French: 
have seen something too big... so big that it was too much for them, the fact is that one
can not think if it is not in a domain that slightly exceeds his strength, ie
makes you fragile. Well, I've always had a somewhat fragile health and stated that from
I spent the time TB, and with it acquired all rights of fragile health
"But your relationships with doctors or medications changed since that time,
ie, you had to see doctors, you had to take medication regularly and...
good becomes a kind of obligation because you do not like doctors much.
Yes, personally it is not anyone in particular, because as everyone I have met

English: 
but it's a kind of power,
or a way in which they handle power.
Once again, we return to questions
previously discussed,
as if half of the letters already
discussed were encompassed
and folded back upon the totality.
I find it odious the way doctors
manipulate power,
and they are odious-
as doctors, they are odious.
I have a great hatred,
not for individual doctors-
who can be quite charming-
but I harbor hatred for medical power
and the way doctors use
this medical power.
There is only one thing that thrilled me,
and at the same time,
it displeased them-
when they used their machines
and and ran tests on me.
I consider these to be
very unpleasant for a patient

French: 
doctors charming, delightful. But it is a kind of power... or the way they handle
power... we do not reconsider these issues as if half of the letters implied
all, all fall back on, but the way they handle power
I find odious. They are obnoxious... while doctors are hateful, I have a very strong hatred,
not the person of the doctors who by contrast is often delightful, but the power
physician and how doctors have to handle that power. Only one thing
I love, and at the same time is what I dislike: When I arrive, how they work
more and more devices and testing,

Spanish: 
Pero es un tipo de poder
o la forma en que manejan el poder;
no reconsideramos estos problemas como
si la mitad de las letras implicara la totalidad.
como si se hubiera plegado sobre la totalidad
Pero la forma que tienen de manejar el poder
me parece odiosa.
Son odiosos, en tanto que médicos son odiosos;
tengo un odio muy fuerte,
no por la persona de los médicos,
que por el contrario, a menudo es encantadora,
pero odio el poder médico y la manera
que tienen los médicos de manejar ese poder.
Sólo hay una cosa que me encanta,
y al mismo tiempo es lo que les disgusta:
cuando llego, como trabajan cada vez
más con aparatos y pruebas
(por lo demás,
bastante desagradables para el paciente),
pruebas de las cuales uno tiene la impresión
de que carecen del más mínimo interés,

Spanish: 
excepto el de reconfortar su diagnóstico
y confirmarlo,
pero cuando se trata
de médicos que pese a todo tienen talento,
ellos ya tienen su diagnóstico, que las
pruebas crueles no hacen más que reconfortar,
y se sirven de esas pruebas
de una manera inadmisible.
En fin lo que suponía una alegría para mí,
era que cada vez que
pasaba o pude pasar por uno de sus aparatos,
y que mi respiración era demasiado
débil para ser registrada por el aparato,
o no se pudo hacerme, no recuerdo su nombre,
una historia de... una prueba del corazón,
no pudieron hacérmela.
-Una ecografía.
- Sí, eso,
porque también pasaba por el aparato
y para mi júbilo, en ese momento
se ponían furiosos.
Creo que en ese momento,
odian a su pobre paciente porque bueno,

French: 
evidence which one has the impression that they lack the slightest interest except
to comfort the diagnosis and confirmation, but when dealing with medical
nevertheless have talent, they have their diagnosis, that the evidence is not cruel
do more than comfort, and they are using such evidence inadmissible in a way in short,
which was a joy for me was that every time I passed one of the devices...
and that my breathing was too weak to be recorded by the device, or could not make me...
I do not remember her name, a history of heart... a test... could not let me.
"An ultrasound...
"Yes that because I also passed through the device and my joy at that moment
he was furious, I think in that time they hate their own patient because...

English: 
since one senses that these tests
are completely useless,
except to help the doctors
confirm their diagnoses.
But if they are talented doctors,
they have their diagnoses already,
which these cruel tests
only serve to confirm.
They play around with these tests
in an inadmissible way.
What thrilled me was-
each time I was subjected to tests
under one of their machines-
my breath was too weak to register
on their machines.
Or they couldn't manage
to give me a sonogram!
They couldn't manage
because I thwarted their machine,
and to my complete delight,
that would infuriate them.
I think they start detesting
their poor patients at that point.

French: 
good very well accepted in the diagnosis wrong but do not accept is that one
not be captured by their devices. Besides, they are too uneducated, they begin to
talk of culture is a catastrophe... to end the doctors are very strange people.
My consolation is that earn much money, but do not really have time to spend it,
no time to use it because they lead a life very hard, yes, the
Doctors do not attract me much regardless of the personalities, I repeat, that can
be exquisite, but in its function, the truth is that they treat people like dogs, and
It really goes the class struggle, because if one is something rich are much more educated...

Spanish: 
aceptan muy bien el equivocase en el diagnóstico,
pero lo que no aceptan es que uno
no sea captado por sus aparatos.
Además, son demasiado incultos,
cuando comienzan a hablar de cultura
es una catástrofe.
Para terminar,
los médicos son personas muy extrañas.
Mi consuelo es que ganan mucho dinero, pero
realmente no tienen tiempo para gastarlo,
No tienen tiempo para aprovecharlo
porque llevan una vida muy dura.
Sí, los médicos no me atraen mucho,
independientemente de las personalidades,
que repito, pueden ser exquisitas;
pero en su función, la verdad es que tratan
a las personas como perros,
y en ello entra realmente la lucha de clases,
porque si uno es algo rico,
son mucho más educados.
Excepto en cirugía, los cirujanos
son un caso especial, son otro caso.

English: 
They can easily accept being wrong
about their diagnosis,
but they can't accept
that their machine won't work.
Otherwise, I consider them to be
far too uncultivated,
or when they attempt to be cultivated,
the results are catastrophic.
Doctors are very strange people,
but my consolation is that
while they do earn a lot of money,
they don't have time to spend it,
they don't have the time
to take advantage of it
because they lead a very hard life.
So it's true,
I do not find doctors very attractive,
excepting individual personalities
which can be quite exquisite.
Yet in their official functions,
they treat people like dogs.
That reveals evidence of class inequality
because if one is even slightly wealthy,
they are more polite-
except in surgery.

Spanish: 
Pero con los doctores la cosa
va mal, habría que hacer una reforma,
porque al fin y al cabo, hay un problema, sí.
¿Y los medicamentos que tienes
que tomar todo el tiempo?
Eso me gusta,
los medicamentos no me fastidian,
aunque obviamente cansan, eso sí.
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Te distrae tomar medicamentos, disfrutas?
Cuando hay muchos sí, en mi estado actual sí,
porque hay un montón cada mañana, y tiene algo,
es una bufonería, vamos, pero tengo
la impresión de que es muy útil.
Siempre he estado, incluso en el dominio
de la psiquiatría, por las drogas;
siempre he sido favorable a la farmacia.
Y el cansancio del que hablamos,
que está profundamente ligado a tu enfermedad,
y que tú dices que ya estaba
antes de la enfermedad,
bueno, uno piensa en el texto de Blanchot
sobre la fatiga en la amistad,
pero la fatiga
tiene un lugar importante en tu vida,

French: 
except surgery, surgeons are a special case, are another case. But with doctors
the thing is wrong, we should make a reform, because after all it is a problem.
What about the drugs you have to take all the time?
"I like it, drugs do not bother me, although obviously tired, though.
Are you distracted taking medication, you enjoy?
When there are many other, in my present self, because there are a pile every morning
and has something... it's a joke going, but I feel it's very useful.
I've always been, even in the domain of psychiatry, pro -
drugs have always been favorable to the pharmacy...
And the fatigue of which we spoke, who is deeply attached to your illness,
you say that it was before the illness, well one thinks in the text of Blanchot

English: 
Surgeons are a different case altogether.
Doctors really do represent a problem,
and some kind of reform is needed.
Do you have to take
drugs all the time?
Yes, I like that.
I don't mind, other than the fact
that they tend to tire me out.
You actually enjoy your medication?
When there's a lot,
in my current state, yes,
because there is a lot. My daily dose
of pills is a real buffoonery!
I also consider them to be quite useful.
I can say that I have always been-
even in the domain of psychiatry-
I have always been in favor of meds.
I have always been in
favor of pharmaceuticals.
And the fatigue that we have spoken about,
which is very connected to your illness,
and which existed already
before the illness,
brings to mind Maurice Blanchot
writing about fatigue or friendship.

English: 
Fatigue plays a major role in your life.
Sometimes one is under the impression
that it's an excuse
for avoiding things that bore you,
and that you use fatigue
and that fatigue has always
been useful to you.
Here is what I think:
when one is affected as I am-
to return to the theme of
the power of action,
i.e. what it is to utilize
a power of action, to do what one can do,
to use what is in one's power-
it's a complicated notion.
What strikes you
as a lack of a power of action,
for example, fragile health or illness,
is rather a question of knowing
how to make use of it,
so that, through it, one can recuperate
a power of action.
It is clear that illness should be used
for something, just as everything else.
I don't mention this merely
in relation to life
where it should produce  a feeling . . .   

Spanish: 
es decir, que uno tiene la impresión
de que a menudo es una excusa
para muchas cosas que te fastidian.
Aprovechas el cansancio,
y siempre te has servido del cansancio.
Creo que eso es, cuando ves tu salud afectada,
volvemos entonces al tema de la potencia:
¿Qué es realizar un poco de potencia?
Hacer lo que se puede, hacer lo que está
dentro de mi poder, mis capacidades.
Creo que es una noción bastante compleja.
Porque lo que nos afecta de impotencia,
una salud frágil o una enfermedad,
se trata de saber qué uso se puede hacer de ella,
para, por medio de ella, recuperar algo de poder.
Entonces, la verdad es que la enfermedad debe
servir para algo, como todo lo demás.
Hablo no solo en relación a la vida,
claro que, por supuesto,
debe haber algún sentimiento.
Para mí,
la enfermedad no es algo, no es una enemiga,

French: 
on fatigue in friendship, but fatigue has an important place in your life,
ie, that one has the impression that is often an excuse for things
annoy you, do you take advantage of the tired, you've always served the tiredness?
I think that is... when you see your health afflicted... back then the issue
power, ie, performing a type of power, do what you can do what is
within my power, my capabilities. I think it is a rather complex notion
because what affects us in power, such fragile health or illness,
this is what use can make it through it to recover some
power. So the truth is that the disease must serve some purpose, like everything else,
I speak not only in relation to the life in which, of course, there must be some feeling. To my

English: 
Illness is not an enemy,
not something that gives
a sense of death,
but rather, something that sharpens
a feeling for life,
I don't mean this in the sense of,
Oh, how still want to live!
Once I'm cured, I'll start living!
I cannot think of anything
more abject in the world
than what people call a bon vivant,
it's abject.
On the contrary, those who live large
are people with weak health.
I return to my question:
Illness sharpens a vision of life
or a sense of life.
When I say vision, vision of life,
and life,
I mean, to see life,
to be traversed by life.
Illness sharpens that,
gives a vision of life,
life in all its force,
in all its beauty.
I am quite certain of this.

French: 
the disease is not an enemy because it is something that gives meaning to death, is something
it sharpens the sense of life, but does not in any way in the sense of:
"! Ah, how I would live!, Or how I will live once I'm healed!", Not that,
and I know most despicable thing in the world that what is called a parasite, on the contrary
large livers are very sensitive people, but again my question: disease
sharpens a vision of life or a sense of life. When I say vision of life
is truly seeing life, being crossed by her acute illness, gives a
of life in all its power, in all its beauty, is something that I think is obvious but

Spanish: 
porque no es algo que dé
un sentimiento de la muerte,
es algo que agudiza el sentimiento de la vida,
pero no lo hace de ninguna manera en el sentido
de: "¡Ah, cómo me gustaría	vivir!
o ¡Cómo viviré una vez que haya sanado!"
Creo que no conozco algo más abyecto
en el mundo que lo que se llama un vividor.
Por el contrario,los grandes vividores son
personas con una salud muy delicada,
pero de nuevo mi pregunta:
La enfermedad agudiza
una visión de la vida o un sentimiento de la vida.
Cuando digo visión de la vida, y vida,
es verdaderamente cuando digo ver la vida,
pero es verse atravesado por ella.
La enfermedad agudiza, da una visión de la vida,
la vida en toda su potencia, en toda su belleza.
Me parece seguro.

Spanish: 
Pero, ¿Cómo obtener
beneficios secundarios de la enfermedad?
En pocas palabras, debemos servirnos de ella
para ser algo más libres.
Debemos servirnos, si no, es muy molesto,
uno se fatiga en exceso.
No hay que fatigarse en exceso.
Si se trata de trabajar y hacer
una potencia cualquiera, eso vale la pena,
pero la fatiga socialmente excesiva,
eso no lo comprendo.
No entiendo a un doctor que se ha excedido
porque tiene demasiados clientes...
Entonces sacar partido de ello, de la enfermedad,
significa efectivamente liberarse de cosas
de las que uno no puede
liberarse en la vida ordinaria.
Personalmente nunca me gustó viajar,
y nunca pude ni supe viajar,
así que respeto mucho a los viajeros.
Por supuesto, teniendo una salud tan pobre,
tuve la posibilidad de declinar todo viaje.

English: 
But how can one gain secondary benefits
from illness? That's quite simple:
One must use it,
to gain more freedom from it.
One must use it,
otherwise it's very troublesome.
It makes one work too hard-,
something one ought not to do.
To work too hard-
if it's a matter of working
and utilizing a power of action,
then it's worth it.
But to work too hard socially-
I'll never understand a doctor
who works too hard
because they have have too many patients.
To receive benefits from illness
is to free oneself from things
that one cannot be free from
in ordinary life.
Personally, I never liked traveling,
and have never been able,
nor ever knew how to travel,
although I have great respect
for travelers.
But the fact of my ill health 

French: 
How to get secondary benefits of illness? Quite simply, we must seize it
to be more free, we must take advantage... to use it, that if not annoying, if not tiring...
not be weary in excess, it is about working and making any power.
It is worthwhile, but socially excessive fatigue that I do not understand.
Then take advantage of it, of the disease, effectively means freedom from things
both of them can not be released in ordinary life. Personally I never liked to travel,
and I could never go nor heard so much respect for travelers.
Of course having a very poor health I was backed to decline any trip.

English: 
ensured my being able to decline
invitations to travel.
Or going to bed too late
was always difficult for me,
so once I had my fragile health,
there was no longer any question
of going to bed too late.
I'm not talking about people
closest to me in my life,
but from social chores,
illness is extraordinarily liberating,
it's really good in that way.
Do you consider fatigue as you consider illness ?
Fatigue is something else.
It means, I've done what I could today,
that's it, the day is over.
I see fatigue biologically,
as marking the end of a day.
It's possible that the day could last
for other, social reasons,
but fatigue is the biological formulation
of a day being over.
That's when there is nothing left to draw
from oneself.

Spanish: 
O acostarme muy tarde siempre me fue muy duro,
una vez que comencé a tener una salud tan frágil,
ni hablar de acostarme tarde,
y no hablo de los parientes más cercanos,
hablo de los compromisos sociales.
Uno se libera extraordinariamente, ¿no?
En este sentido es muy benéfico.
¿Y la fatiga la ves igual que la enfermedad?
La fatiga es otra cosa.
Para mí significa: "hoy hice lo que pude",
hice lo que pude y eso es todo,
la jornada ha terminado.
Verdaderamente la fatiga es que
biológicamente la jornada ha terminado.
Sin embargo,
es posible que la jornada deba continuar
por otras razones: por razones sociales,
pero el cansancio es la formulación
biológica de que el día ha terminado.
Ya no vas a sacar más nada de ti mismo,

French: 
Or sleep late always made me very hard, once I started
to have fragile health and later shortened to talk about, and I do not mean that the closest relatives,
I speak of social charges. One is fought with the diseases in this regard is very beneficial.
What you see fatigue as the disease?
Fatigue is another thing. To me it means: "today I did what I could," I have
what I could and that's it, the day is over. Truly the fatigue is that
biologically the day is over. However, you may need to continue
for other reasons: for social reasons... but the tiredness is the biological formulation
that the day is over, you're not going to make anything of yourself, and in this regard, if

Spanish: 
y a este respecto, si lo consideramos así,
no es un sentimiento desagradable.
Es desagradable si no has hecho nada,
entonces se vuelve estresante,
pero si no es así, está bien.
De acuerdo, son estados de fatiga.
Yo siempre he sido
muy sensible a los estados un poco flácidos,
al cansancio flácido.
Me encanta este estado,
cuando llega al término de algo,
es como, debería tener un nombre musical,
no sé cómo lo llamaría.
Como una coda, la fatiga es como una coda.
Me gustaría que
habláramos un poquito antes de abordar la vejez,
de tu relación con la comida,
que es muy particular.
Ah la vejez... sí, ¿no la vejez?
Vale, la comida.
Primero, porque a ti los alimentos que te aportan,
que parecen aportarte fuerza y vitalidad,

English: 
If one looks at it this way,
it's not unpleasant.
It's unpleasant
if one hasn't done anything,
then it's agonizing, but otherwise,
it's fine-just states of fatigue.
I have always been sensitive
to these frail, numb states.
I like the fuzzy state of fatigue.
I like that particular state if it comes
at the end of something-
it probably has a name in music.
I don't know what one would call it:
a coda, fatigue as coda.
Before discussing old age, how about
discussing your relationship to food?
Old age!
No ? Oh, food . . .
Yes, first. You like food that gives you
strength and vitality,

French: 
and believe it is an uncomfortable feeling is unpleasant if you have not done anything,
then it becomes stressful, but if not it's okay. Okay, are states of fatigue...
I've always been very sensitive to the states a little flabby or cotton, the flabby tiredness.
I love this state, when it reaches the end of something, it's like... you should have a
music name... how would you call it? As a coda, fatigue is a coda.
"I wish we talked a bit before tackling the elderly,...
... your relationship with food, which is very specific.
"Ah... no old age, food...
"Yes, because first, you like them you bring food... seem that guarantee
strength and vitality, ie the core, the lobster, you have a very

Spanish: 
es decir, el tuétano, la langosta,
tienes una relación muy particular con la comida
porque en realidad, no te gusta mucho comer.
No, no, para mí, comer es algo, bueno,
si tratara de definir la cualidad,
diría que para mí, comer es fastidioso,
Creo que es la cosa más fastidiosa del mundo.
Beber, pero esa fue la B y ya lo hemos hecho,
eso fue algo muy interesante.
A mí comer
nunca me interesó y me aburre soberanamente;
bueno comer solo,
comer con un ser querido cambia todo,
pero no transforma la alimentación,
me permite soportar tener que comer.
Te hace que no sea tan molesto
aunque no diga nada.
Hace que pueda. Pero comer solo y todo eso.
Por lo demás mucha gente es así,
comer solo demuestra hasta
qué punto comer es fastidioso

French: 
particular food because you do not really like eating...
Yes, for me to eat... well if it were to have the quality... I would say that my eating is tiring,
I think is the most annoying thing in the world. Drinking, but that was the B and we have done,
that was a very interesting thing, I eat never interested me and I am bored
sovereign good to eat alone, eat with a loved one changes everything, but not
food processing, allows bear to eat... you do not be so
annoying but not say anything. And eating alone and all that... otherwise so many people,
eating alone shows how eating is annoying because most of the

English: 
like bone marrow and lobster.
Since you don't like eating,
you have a peculiar relationship to food.
True. Eating is the most . . .
If I were to describe what I felt
when eating, it would be boredom.
Eating is the most boring thing
in the world.
Drinking, well, we have been there
and done that.
But drinking is extraordinarily interesting.
Whereas eating never interested me,
it bores me to death.
With that in mind, to eat alone . . .
But eating with someone I like,
that changes everything.
Still, it does not transform the food,
it only helps me tolerate eating,
making it less boring
even if I don't talk.
But eating alone-
a lot people are like that,
everybody says that.
That proves how boring eating is.

French: 
confesses that people eating alone is an abominable nuisance. Now, having said that, of course
I give my feast, but my feasts are something special given the
posed universal disgust, but after all I stand without problems
cheese from others.
- Do not you like cheese?
So you have to like it... from people who hate cheese, I am one of the few
that are tolerant, that is, that I will not kick them out or those who eat cheese.
I have always supported this taste that I find the same type of cannibalism,
seems to me absolute horror. But hey, if you ask me indeed, what would
my favorite dish, what would be a feast for me, the fact is that I always stay with
three, because there are three things that seem sublime and yet are rigorously
repugnant, it is the tongue, brains, and marrow. I'm imagining it,

English: 
Most people admit that eating alone
is an abominable task.
That said, I do have things that
I enjoy immensely-
peculiar foods that inspire
such universal disgust!
Then again, I put up with others
when they eat cheese.
Right, you don't like cheese.
For someone who hates cheese,
I am one of the rare people
to tolerate, which is to say,
not to get up and leave,
or eject a cheese eater!
A taste for cheese is a minor form
of cannibalism, a total horror.
If someone were to ask me
what my favorite meal is,
I would be most delighted.
It's true that I always come back
to three things,
because I have always found them
to be sublime,
while also being properly disgusting:
tongue, brains, and bone marrow.

Spanish: 
porque la mayoría de la gente confiesa
que comer solo es un incordio abominable.
Ahora, dicho eso,
por supuesto yo me doy mis festines,
pero mis fiestas son algo especial habida cuenta
de la repugnancia universal que suponen,
pero después de todo, yo soporto sin problemas
el queso de los demás.
Sí, no te gusta el queso.
Entonces te tiene que gustar que,
entre las personas que odian el queso,
soy uno de los pocos que son tolerantes, es decir,
que no me iré o no echaré a patadas
a los que comen queso.
Siempre he soportado ese gusto que
encuentro del mismo tipo que el canibalismo,
me parece un horror absoluto.
Pero bueno, si me preguntan de verdad,
qué llevaría mi plato favorito,
lo que sería para mí un festín de locos,
lo cierto es que siempre me quedo con tres cosas,
porque hay tres cosas que me parecen sublimes y,
sin embargo, son rigurosamente repugnantes.
Es la lengua, los sesos y el tuétano.

Spanish: 
Me lo estoy imaginando, son cosas muy nutritivas,
si pudiera zamparme todo eso,
y he oído que hay algunos restaurantes
en París que sirven tuétano.
Pero entonces no puedo comer más nada después.
Porque te sirven mucho;
unos cubitos de tuétano, y que es bastante
fascinante además.
Sesos y luego la lengua,
si se ajustara esto con lo que hemos dicho,
si te das cuenta, es una especie de
trinidad porque podríamos decir
(y hay muchas anécdotas sobre eso).
Podríamos decir,
que los sesos son Dios que es el Padre;
que el Hijo es el tuétano,
porque va unido a las vértebras,
que son cráneos pequeños

French: 
things are very nutritious, if I could put away all that... and I've heard that there
some restaurants in Paris that serve marrow. But then I can not eat more because
serve you a lot... some cubes of marrow, and moreover it is quite fascinating. Brains
and then the language... if it were to fit this with what we have said, if you realize
is a kind of trinity because we could say
that brains are God who is the Father and the Son is the core because
is attached to the vertebrae, which are small skulls (God is the skull and small

English: 
This is all very nourishing!
And to eat all that .
. . I have found a few restaurants in Paris
that serve bone marrow,
and afterwards,
I can eat nothing else.
They prepare these little marrow squares,
really quite fascinating!
Brains, then tongue . . .
But if I try to situate this in relation
to things we've already discussed,
one might think of it
as a holy trinity of sorts.
Naturally, this is all rather anecdotal.
One could call the brains God,
which is the Father.
The bone marrow would be the Son,
linked to vertebrae that are little skulls.

French: 
skulls, vertebrae are the Son), the marrow is the Son is Jesus, and language is the holy spirit,
which is the very power of language. Or we could formulate it as follows...
here do not know whether... the brains would be the concept. the marrow is affection, and language is the percept.
Nor is there much to ask why, but I feel they are very... trinities
yes, well, well, for me would be a fantastic dish.
And old age?
Have I ever taken all three at once? Perhaps, at a birthday some

Spanish: 
(Dios es el cráneo y
los pequeños cráneos-vértebras son el Hijo),
el tuétano es el Hijo, es Jesús,
y la lengua es el espíritu santo,
lo cual es el poder propio del lenguaje.
O podríamos formularlo de la siguiente manera,
pero, aquí no sé si...
los sesos serían el concepto;
el tuétano es el afecto
y la lengua es el percepto.
Tampoco hay que preguntarse mucho por qué,
pero siento que son trinidades muy...
Sí, bueno,
en fin, para mí sería un plato fantástico.
¿Y la vejez?
¿Alguna vez tomé los tres a la vez?
Tal vez, en un cumpleaños algunos amigos
me prepararon un plato así, sí.
Una fiesta, eso es, sí.

English: 
So God is the brains,
the little vertebrae skulls are the Son,
the bone marrow is the Son, Jesus,
and the tongue is the Holy Spirit,
which is the very force
of the language as tongue.
One could also imagine, I don't know . . .
The brains is the concept,
the bone marrow is the affect,
and the tongue is the percept.
Please don't ask me why
I see these trinities as . . .
Anyway, that would make
a fantastic meal for me.
-And old age?
-Have I ever had all three together?
Maybe on a birthday with friends!
They might make me such a meal like.
Eh? A party, a party . . .

French: 
friends and I prepare a dish, I know. A party, that is, yes.
You could not eat all three, because we talk about your old age...
"It would be too...
... every day.
Ah, old age, yes, but listen, there's someone who knew how to talk about old age:
Raymond Devos is-clear, one can always say more, but he said the best things.
I think that old age is an age splendid, splendid. Of course,
There are a lot of trouble: one acquires a certain slowness, slows down, yes, but...
the worst is when one says, "But if you're not so old!".
Because they understand what is the lament. I complain, I say:
"Oh, how old I am!", le, invoke the powers of old age
because it's powers. And where does one look tells me, thinking I was encouraging:

English: 
You can't eat all three
at the same time
because you're speaking 
about your old age!
-That would be rather much!
-Every day . . .
Old age . . . is it?
Stand-up comedian Raymond Devos
has a good take on old age.
Of course, one can always say
something else, but he put it best.
I find old age to be a splendid age.
Naturally, there are
a lot of difficulties,
one is overcome by a certain slowness,
you become slow.
But the worst is when someone says,
No, you're not as old as all that!
They can't possibly understand
what the complaint is.
I complain, I say, Oh, I'm old.
I invoke the powers of action of old age.
These are powers of action,

Spanish: 
Tú no podrías comer los tres,
porque nos hablas de tu vejez.
-Sí, sería demasiado.
- todos los días...
Ah, la vejez, sí.
Pero escucha, hay alguien que supo cómo
hablar de la vejez: Raymond Devos;
pues claro, siempre se puede decir más,
pero dijo las mejores cosas.
Creo que la vejez
es una edad espléndida, espléndida.
Por supuesto, hay muchos problemas:
uno adquiere cierta
lentitud, disminuye la velocidad, sí,
pero, lo peor es cuando uno te dice:
"¡Pero no, no eres tan viejo!".
Porque no comprende lo que es el lamento.
Me quejo, digo: "¡Ay, qué viejo estoy!",
es decir, invoco las potencias de la vejez,
porque se trata de potencias.

French: 
"But if you're so old!". At that point you would a stick,
not know what I could do, for... tell me what comes when intone my regret
by old age, what comes to me: 'You're not so old', on the contrary,
have to say, "Yes, the truth. But it is a pure joy, I mean.
Where does joy, apart from that slow? What is terrible in old age
we must not laugh, what is it terrible? Is pain and misery,
but that's not old age. I mean pathetic, which makes the
Poverty is a sad thing that the poor, people who do not have enough money to live,
or minimal health or poor health of which I speak, and have

English: 
but then somebody tries
to cheer me up by saying,
No, you're not so old!
That makes me want
to smack the guy with my cane!
I could do that, since in my old-age complaint,
I don't want to hear,
No, you're not that old!
On the contrary.
I'd rather hear, Yes, indeed you are!
But old age is a pure joy.
Where does that joy come from-
aside from slowness?
What's awful in old age-
really, it's no joking matter-
what's awful is pain and misery,
but that is not old age.
I mean, what makes old age pathetic,
something sad,
is the poor old people who
haven't enough money to live,
nor a minimum of health, not even this weak
state of health such as what I have discussed.

Spanish: 
Y mira que llega uno que me dice,
pensando que es alentador:
"¡Pero si no estás tan viejo!".
En ese momento, le daría un bastonazo,
no sé lo que podría hacerle,
porque, a qué viene decirme eso cuando
entono mi lamento por la vejez,
qué me viene a decir: "No estás tan viejo",
al contrario, hay que decirme: "Sí, la verdad".
Pero es una alegría pura, quiero decir.
¿De dónde viene la alegría?
Aparte de la lentitud...
lo que es terrible en la vejez,
y no debemos reírnos,
¿Qué es lo terrible? Es el dolor y la miseria,.
Pero eso no es la vejez.
Quiero decir que
lo patético, lo que hace de la vejez algo triste,
es que los pobres, las personas que
no tienen ni suficiente dinero para vivir,
ni el mínimo de salud,
ni la salud delicada de la que hablo,
y que tienen padecimientos:

Spanish: 
eso es lo abominable, pero no es la vejez.
La vejez no es un mal en absoluto.
Con suficiente dinero y si uno tiene
suficiente salud, la vejez es formidable.
¿Por qué es formidable?
Bueno, creo que, en primer lugar,
porque no hay nada más que, en la vejez,
ante todo, uno ya ha llegado,
¿No? No es poca cosa.
No es un sentimiento de triunfo,
pero en fin, el hecho es que uno ya ha llegado.
Uno ha llegado después de todo,
en un mundo que trae consigo guerra,
porquerías de virus y todo lo demás,
uno ha pasado por todo eso,
los virus, las guerras, la suciedad.
Uno ha llegado.
Y es un momento
en que ya no es cuestión que de una cosa:
es ser, ser.
Ya no hay que ser esto, ser aquello: es ser.
El viejo es alguien que es y punto.

English: 
Those who truly suffer, that's abominable.
But old age is not that, it's not an illness.
Old age is great with enough money
and a bit of health remaining.
And why is it great?
First, it's only in old age . . .
First, one has made it.
It counts for something-
just the fact of having made it.
After all, in a world that includes wars
and filthy viruses,
one has passed through all that-
viruses, wars, filth-
one has made it.
And it's an age where
the only point is being.
No longer of being this or
of being that, but of being.
An old person is someone who just is,
period, that's it.

French: 
conditions: it is abomination, but it is old age. Old age is not bad at all.
With enough money and if one gets enough health, it's wonderful.
why is formidable? Well, I think, first, because there is nothing more than old age,
above all, one has already arrived, is not it, no small thing. There is a feeling
triumph, but in the end, the fact is that one has already arrived... One has arrived,
after all, in a world that brings war, virus crap and everything else...
one has gone through all this, viruses, war, the filth:
one has already arrived. And it is a time when it is no longer something is being, being...
There is no longer being this, being that: is being. The old man is someone who is and point
You can always say, 'Oh, is shy, oh, not in a good mood' is just plain, well.

French: 
He has earned the right to be just plain... because in any case,
an old, someone old can always say, "I have projects', but it is true and
not true. These are projects, but not in the sense that someone thirty years has projects.
As far as I'm concerned, I hope to do two books that I care, one on
literature, and one on philosophy. I hope to do so, which does not mean that is free of any project,
I am free... You know, when you're old and not susceptible...
One no longer has... susceptibility, and also no longer has any fundamental disappointment, go.
I mean, you no longer... one is much more unselfish,
how to say, you want people, really, by itself...

English: 
One can say, Oh, what an old grump!
Or, My, my, we're in a bad mood today!
But quite simply, one just is.
One has earned the right to be, period.
An elderly person can still say,
I have plans.
It's both true, and not true-
not true like a 30-year-old has plans.
I do hope to complete the two books
that I am committed to-
one on literature,
another on philosophy-
but that does not change the fact
that I'm free of all plans . . . All plans.
When one is old,
one is no longer so touchy.
One is no longer thin-skinned,
one no longer experiences
any fundamental disappointments,
one tends to be a lot more
disinterested,

Spanish: 
Siempre se puede decir: "Oh,
es huraño, oh, no está de buen humor",
él es, a secas, vaya.
Se ha ganado el derecho de ser a secas.
Porque, en cualquier caso,
un viejo, alguien viejo siempre puede decir:
"Tengo proyectos", pero es verdad y no es verdad.
Estos son proyectos,
pero no en el sentido de que alguien de treinta
años tiene proyectos.
En lo que a mí respecta,
espero hacer dos libros que me interesen,
uno sobre la literatura, y uno sobre filosofía.
Espero poder hacerlo, pero todavía...
Soy libre para todo proyecto.
Uno ya no tiene susceptibilidad...
Uno ya no tiene susceptibilidad...
Y tampoco
se tiene ninguna decepción fundamental, vaya.
Quiero decir que
uno ya no... uno es mucho más desinteresado,

Spanish: 
Yo diría: uno quiere a la gente, de veras,
por sí misma.
Tengo la impresión, de que la vejez afina la
percepción de las cosas que antes no había visto,
de elegancias
a las que no me había mostrado sensible,
las veo mejor porque miro a alguien por sí mismo,
casi como si para mí se tratara
de llevarme una imagen, un percepto,
de extraer de él un percepto.
Todo eso hace de la vejez un arte.
¡Y los días pasan a tal velocidad!
Con su medida, la fatiga,
pero el cansancio no es una enfermedad,
es otra cosa.
No es ni la muerte, ni la... es de nuevo,
la señal del final de la jornada.
Ahora bien, claro que hay angustias con la vejez,
pero se trata de evitarlas, de conjurarlas.
Es fácil conjurarlas,
es un poco como con el lobizón,
o como los vampiros, que por lo demás me encantan,

French: 
My impression, for example, that sharpens the perception of old age:
things that would not have seen before, the elegance to which I had been sensible and I see them better,
because I look at someone for himself, almost as if it were for me to take an image, a percept,
extract from it a percept: all this makes an art of old age.
And the days go by so fast! With its scansion, fatigue, but fatigue is not a disease, is
otherwise. It is neither death nor... is once again the sign of the end of the day.
Now, of course there troubles with aging, but it's avoid them, of escaping it.
It is easy to address them, is a little like coconut: I would suggest, or as with vampires,
which otherwise I love, like... not be left alone at night,

English: 
and one really likes people
for themselves.
I find that hones
a perception of things,
that I wouldn't have noticed before,
elegant things, toward which
I was previously insensitive.
I see better because I look at others
for themselves 
almost as if it were a question of carrying
away an image, a percept,
to extract a percept from someone.
All that makes of old age . . .
And days pass by with such a speed,
divided by periods of fatigue.
But fatigue is not an illness-
it's something else, not death, nor . . .
Again, it's just the signal
of a day's end.
Of course, there are agonies in old age,
but one must ward them off,
and it's easy to ward them off,
like with werewolves or vampires.

French: 
when he starts to get cold, because you are too slow to get off the hook. No,
we must not do, there are things to avoid, etc.. but... And then,
the wonderful thing is that people let you down, the company let you down,
and that, being abandoned by society, is such happiness. Not that society
I've been very engaged, but someone who does not have my age, or not
has retired, can not imagine the joy that is being abandoned by society...
Sure, when I hear some old complain, well, are those
that do not support retirement, and certainly do not know why: they have
more than reading novels, at least find something, do not support, o... retirees do not believe that...
except, perhaps, in the case of Japanese-who can not be

English: 
I rather like that image-
one mustn't be alone at night
when it starts getting cold because
one is too slow to survive.
So one must avoid certain things.
And what's marvelous is that people
release you, society lets you go.
Being released by society is wonderful-
not that society had me in its grip,
but someone who isn't my age,
or who isn't retired,
cannot suspect how much joy
one can feel in being released.
When I hear the elderly complaining,
it's old people who don't want
to be old or as old as they are.
They can't stand being retired,
and I have no idea why.
They could read a novel
and perhaps discover something.

Spanish: 
no hay que encontrarse solo por la noche,
cuando empieza a hacer frío,
porque uno es demasiado lento
para salir del apuro.
No hay que hacerlo, hay cosas que evitar.
Y luego,
lo maravilloso es que la gente te abandona,
la sociedad te abandona,
Y eso, ser abandonado por la sociedad,
es una tal felicidad.
No es que la sociedad
me haya tenido muy enganchado,
pero alguien que no tenga mi edad,
o que no se haya jubilado,
no puede figurarse la alegría que supone verse
abandonado por la sociedad.
Claro,
cuando oigo a algunos viejos quejarse, bueno,
son esos que no quisieran ser tan viejos;
son aquellos que no soportan la jubilación,
y desde luego,
no sé por qué: no tienen más que leer novelas,
al menos descubrirán algo.
No soportan,

Spanish: 
no creo en los jubilados que se...
salvo tal vez, en el caso de los japoneses,
pero no creo en los jubilados
que no pueden estar sin hacer algo.
Quiero decir: es una maravilla, sí, te abandonan.
Basta con sacudirse un poco
para que caigan todos los parásitos
que has tenido encima toda la vida.
Caen: ¿y qué queda a tu alrededor?
Tan solo gente a la que quieres,
y que te soportan,
y que te quieren también cuando te hace falta.
El resto te ha abandonado.
Y aún así, cuando hablo, como yo, en ese momento,
se hace muy duro cuando algo te alcanza.
Yo no soporto, a no tengo más que...
ya no conozco más la sociedad
sino a través del recibo
de la pensión todos los meses.
Es algo, sé que soy un desconocido de la sociedad.

French: 
without doing something. I mean, is wonderful, yes, leave you, and what...
or just shake a little so that they fall all the parasites that have had
the hump in life. Caen: what is around you? Only
people they want, only people who want and support you,
also if you want you need: the rest has abandoned you. And yet,
when I speak, like me, then, becomes very hard when something is achieved.
I can not stand, since I only have... society no longer know but
through the receipt of a pension every month. It's something I do not know if I am a

English: 
People who can't bear . . .
Retired people who . . .
well, except perhaps in rare cases
in  Japan 
I don't believe in those
who can't find anything to do . . .
It's marvelous, I mean,
people let go of you . . .
We can simply give ourselves
a good shake 
and all the parasites we've harbored our
whole life fall off- and what then remains?
Nothing but the people we love
and who can stand us
and who love us, perhaps.
The rest have let us go.
What's really tough is when
something catches hold of you again.
I can't stand . . . I no longer . . .
I only know society now through 
 the monthly pension notice.

English: 
I see myself as being
completely unknown to society.
So it's when someone who
thinks I still belong to society
asks me for . . . 
These sessions of ours are different
because what we're doing belongs
to my dreams of old age.
But when someone seeks an interview,
a conversation,
it's like, Have you lost your mind?
Haven't you heard that I'm an old man
and that society has let me go?
But I think people confuse two things:
one shouldn't talk about the elderly,
but about misery and suffering,
for when one is old, miserable,
and suffering,
there is no word to describe it.

French: 
complete stranger in society. Then, the catastrophe is when someone
I still believe that part of it, and he asks me... is something completely different,
because what we're doing now so much part
my dream of old age... but who asks me for an interview, a conversation
and all that, I want to say, "No, the head no longer works for me:
Are you not aware that I am old and that society has forsaken me? ".
But it's okay, I promise. I think you confuse two things: they are not old
which... we must talk about... yes, talk of the misery and suffering.
So when one is old, miserable and sick, then... no words
to say what it is... except perhaps, then...
an old cigar, which is just old, that is...
An old idea?
... is being, yes.

Spanish: 
Soy un completo desconocido para la sociedad.
Entonces, la catástrofe llega cuando hay alguien
que cree que sigo formando parte de ella,
y que me pregunta...
Aquí la situación es completamente diferente,
porque lo que estamos haciendo en este momento
forma parte hasta tal punto de mi sueño de vejez.
Pero a quién me pide una entrevista,
una conversación y todo eso,
me dan ganas de decirle: "No, pero qué te pasa,
¿no estás enterado de que soy viejo y de que la
sociedad me ha abandonado?".
Pero se está bien, te lo aseguro.
Yo creo que se confunden dos cosas:
no son los viejos que...
Hay que hablar de... sí,
hay que hablar de la miseria y del sufrimiento.
Así que, cuando uno es viejo,
miserable y enfermo, entonces,
no hay palabras para decir lo que es,
salvo tal vez...
pero un viejo puro,
que no es más que viejo, es decir,

French: 
"And yet, as you are sick, tired and old...
"Yes...
... distinguishing all three, it is sometimes difficult for those around you
that are less old, less sick and less tired than you, your children or your wife.
My children, my children do not have many problems, because... could have them
if they were younger, but as we are old enough to live on their own,
and I'm not responsible, I do not suppose much trouble for them,
affection but trouble when they say to themselves: "The truth is that
looks very tired. But anyway, I do not think there is an acute problem with the children;
and Fanny, I think it's not a problem, although it... or,

Spanish: 
-¿Una idea de viejo?
-Es el ser, sí.
Y sin embargo, como estás enfermo,
cansado y viejo,
Sí!
distinguiendo las tres cosas,
a veces resulta difícil para quienes te rodean,
que son menos viejos, están menos enfermos
y menos fatigados que tú, tus hijos o tu mujer.
Mis hijos,
con mis hijos no tengo muchos problemas,
porque, podría tenerlos si fueran más jóvenes;
pero como ya son bastante mayores para vivir
por su cuenta, y que no estoy a su cargo,
no creo que suponga mucho problema para ellos,
salvo problemas de afecto,
cuando se dicen entre ellos: "La verdad es
que tiene un aspecto muy cansado".
Pero en fin, no creo que haya
un problema agudo con los hijos;
y con Fanny, creo que tampoco es un problema,
aunque es... o tal vez, no se.
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Es difícil preguntarse qué es lo que haría
alguien a quien quieres,
qué es lo que habría hecho en otra vida. no se.

English: 
Otherwise, an elderly person who
is no more than elderly, that's being.
You being ill, tired, and old-
distinguishing the three things-
is it difficult for people around you,
who are less elderly,
less ill, less tired-
your children, your wife?
It's not much of a problem
for the children.
There could have been
if they were younger,
but now since they're old enough
to live on their own,
and I'm not a burden for them-
I don't represent a huge problem,
except perhaps in terms of affection,
like them saying,
Oh, he really looks so exhausted . . .
Still, I don't think there's
any major problem for the children.
As for my wife Fanny, I don't
think it's a problem either,
but it could be, I don't know.

Spanish: 
Es difícil preguntarse qué es lo que haría
alguien a quien quieres,
qué es lo que habría hecho en otra vida.
Supongo que a Fanny le habría gustado viajar,
sí, de acuerdo,
seguramente no a viajado todo
lo que le habría gustado,
pero, qué otras cosas ha descubierto
que no hubiera descubierto si hubiera viajado.
Ella tuvo siempre una formación
literaria muy fuerte, lo que le ha permitido...
¡Qué no le habrá permitido
encontrar en novelas espléndidas!
Y eso equivale con creces a los viajes.
Y todo eso, si.
Claro, seguro que hay problemas, pero éstos,
como diría, me superan.
Y, para acabar, los proyectos,
por ejemplo cuando abordas
tus proyectos de próximos libros
el libro sobre la literatura y el último libro,
"Qué es la filosofía?":
¿Qué tiene de divertido abordar, ya viejo,
esos proyectos cando decías hace un momento:
"Ah, tal vez no llegarán a buen puerto",
pero también tiene algo de gracioso.

English: 
It's hard to guess what someone whom you love
might have done
in another life.
I guess that Fanny would have liked
to travel more, for sure . . .
She hasn't traveled as much
as she might have wanted to.
But what other things did she discover
that she wouldn't have discovered
had she traveled?
She has a strong literary background-
so she was able to find splendid
things through reading novels,
and that largely equals traveling.
No doubt there are problems,
but I would have to say that
they are beyond my understanding.
To finish up,
regarding your projects . . .
When you work on your next book,
on literature, or the latest, on philosophy . . .
What do you find amusing about
undertaking these as an old man?
You said earlier that you might not finish them,
but you find that amusing . . .

French: 
may not know: it's very difficult to ask what would make someone you love...
what they have done in another life. I suppose that Fanny would have liked to travel,
yes, I agree, certainly not anything that has traveled would have liked, but
what else has found that it would have discovered if he had traveled. She had always
she always had a strong literary background, which has allowed
Why not be possible to find in splendid novels, and that means more than travel
and everything else. Sure, there are problems, but they, like say, beyond me.
And to complete the projects, for example, when addressing your next book project
The book on literature and the last book, What is Philosophy?
- :
What's so funny old tackle those projects, when you said a moment ago:
"Ah, maybe not come to fruition"? But there is something funny.
Ah, well, because it is a wonderful thing, you know. First, because when

English: 
It's really quite marvelous, you know,
there is a whole evolution,
and when one is old, one has
a certain idea of what one wishes to do
which becomes increasingly pure,
I mean, which becomes
more and more purified.
I envision the famous lines
of Japanese sketch artists,
such pure lines, and there is nothing,
nothing but small lines.
I can conceive of that only as
an old man's project,
something that would be so pure,
so nothing,
and at the same time, that would be
everything- how marvelous!
To reach such sobriety
can only come late in life.
For example, What is philosophy?
My research on its nature-
it's really something at my age
to look for what philosophy is.

Spanish: 
Ah, en fin, porque es una cosa maravillosa, sabes.
Ante todo,
porque no obstante hay toda una evolución;
Y cuando uno es viejo uno tiene una determinada
idea de lo que desea hacer,
y que se torna cada vez más pura,
quiero decir que se torna cada vez más refinada.
Yo concibo, si quieres,
las famosas líneas de un dibujante japonés;
líneas tan puras, tan... y luego no hay nada,
líneas tan puras, tan... y luego no hay nada,
sólo una pequeña línea.
Sólo puedo concebirlo
como el proyecto de un viejo,
algo que sea tan puro, tan nada,
y que al mismo tiempo sea todo,
sea tan maravilloso.
Quiero decir: alcanzar una sobriedad,
que sólo puede llegar tarde.
Entonces, ¿qué es la filosofía?
La búsqueda de qué esl a filosofía,
ya me parece muy gracioso a mi edad,
ponerme a investigar qué es la filosofía,

French: 
one is old there is nevertheless an evolution, one has a certain
idea of what you want to do that is becoming more pure, I mean
that becomes increasingly refined. If you want, I conceive the famous lines
a Japanese cartoonist... as pure lines, so... and then there is nothing, there is only a small line.
I can only think of it as an old draft, something that is so pure,
so nothing, and at the same time is everything, is so wonderful. I mean
achieving sobriety, which can only come later. So what is the philosophy,
the search for what is philosophy-above all feel very happy
myself at my age to investigate what is philosophy, have the impression that I know
and am the only one who knows, and if I died hit by a bus

English: 
To feel like I know the answer,
and that I'm the only one,
so were I to get hit by a bus,
no one else could know what it is.
That is all very enjoyable!
Thirty years ago I could have created
a book on what philosophy is.
I know that it would have been
a very different book . . . 
Too heavy ?
 A very different book
from the way I conceive of it now:
I would like to arrive at
a kind of sobriety which . . .
Whether I succeed or not . . .
I know that now is the time
that I must conceive of this,
that before I couldn't have done it, but now
I see myself as capable of doing it.
In any case it will not be the same . . .

Spanish: 
tener la impresión de que lo sé y de que soy
el único que lo sabe,
y que si me muriera arrollado por un autobús
nadie podrá saber qué es la filosofía.
Se trata de cosas sumamente agradables para mí,
pero ahora habría podido hacer un libro
sobre qué es la filosofía hace treinta años.
Sé que habría sido muy... que habría
sido un libro muy...
-¿Demasiado pesado?
-Muy diferente de lo que concibo ahora,
pues quisiera alcanzar
una especie de sobriedad tal que...
sí, bueno, podría conseguirlo o no,
pero sé que es ahora cuando tengo que concebirlo.
Antes no habría sabido hacerlo.
Ahora pienso que soy capaz de hacerlo, sí.
Pero en cualquier caso,
no tendrá nada que ver, en fin...

French: 
nobody would know what is philosophy. It is very nice things
for me but now it could have a book on what is philosophy
Thirty years ago I know that would have been very... book would have been a very...
Too heavy?
... very different from what I think now, it would achieve a kind of sobriety
such that... yes, well, could get it or not, but I know it now when I
be conceived. Would not have known it before, now I think I can
to do so, yes, but in any case have nothing to do, in order...
