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your right hand side hey I'm BJ aka
analog kids 0 1 and I've been a fan of
David Lynch since since we're on the
Elephant Man phase so you want to be
giving all 19 1980 would you be like 7
then yeah actually and I remember seeing
the Elephant Man on HBO and getting
pretty freaked out by it but then I went
and sought Doon in the theatre when it
came out so that was a fun fun memory
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ok it's you know you what do you want me
to give you a golden throne and
introduction every time yeah been here
how many times now people don't know
that people don't know why who do okay
so who do so if there was if it was him
giving me the introduction I would be
like okay over here to my life this man
needs no introduction
no Mike manage me
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player that boundaries always bet on
black this is why this is a producer he
produces does what he does he produces
Birgit goddamn produce he produces so
goddamn much that I'm sick and fucking
tired with something like this I'm gonna
give you a WWE entering like fucking
mantra calling out all your name's not
Daenerys Targaryen who gets 40 fucking
names every time she walks in break your
train chains forerunner of trains runner
oh that's cool that's cool go ahead man
go ahead do you actually say your name
yeah I'm dead I'm run or I'm hater beats
on Twitter though that's H a whitey our
beats at hater beats I also make music
and whatnot when I'm not fucking around
here shameless shameless plug shameless
plug I'd be we are re just like like we
originally started coming here just to
make stuff so got a plug our own stuff
at some point that damn right well I
have nothing to plug I'm just here to
hang out and just basically make
everyone upset that's pretty much what
my job is my name is Aaron just the guy
who likes to enjoy films and sometimes
doesn't understand what's going on at
the time with them leading onto you you
know I'm he's the best he's your
favorite okay it's Joe I feel like you
should be erupting from like an
old-timey drum I was gonna say like that
being fired out of an actual cannon okay
I mean yeah we've been spending a lot of
money on that last podcast right now and
honestly as you know we got it we got to
take it back a little bit we don't have
that much money the budget we've burnt
through all of our what was it all that
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right so um before we dive into our
major topic today we just kind of want
to do a little bit opener the thing that
is on everyone's lips right now is Game
of Thrones predictions and anger much
more hungry how could they drop the ball
even boy will that be a two Starbucks
cups so hardly three so aren't so are
you so if you if you were to go down if
we're saying did they drop the ball
first let's just say this for the season
right now a season did they drop the
ball with Game of Thrones they didn't
drop it completely they just didn't let
it go very gracefully
I think they are still doing some things
right all the scenes of the citizens in
King's Landing at the last episode was a
step up they kind of touched on that
briefly in the episode where leading up
to the the long night battle that kind
of that kind of you know focus on the
commoners and how all this shit is
affecting them and that was a step in
the right direction they dropped the
ball
in not communicating Daenerys and grey
worms motivations that was my biggest
complaint with this last episode
why did gray one freak out he he lost
his love I get that but I don't know
that massacring a city would be a
response that he would be capable of but
that's just me I mean I'll fight against
that a little bit is I would imagine if
you're someone who just saw yes or loved
being killed but you don't know these
fucking people you just came here to
this place and you're there for
literally about a week and you're
attacked by I saw bees and this town of
people murder the person you love most
so really fuck those people to that like
grey worm didn't really do anything out
of character though I
you never saw him spearing children and
women everything anybody any person who
killed was a soldier you know like hey
that's like the way that I think that
his mindset was this is what you signed
up for regardless your queen gave you a
chance to surrender
man you shot my lady's fucking it nobody
dropped their sword oh they they pulled
it they pulled up to the front to the
gates of King's Lynn and they said hey
your reins over to Tyrion did that whole
thing and walk to the front and said hey
we can avoid all this right now and
Circe's answer to that was let me chop
your fucking loves head off and so
they're like something I guess that's
the motivation right there but you never
saw a gray worm do commit any atrocities
right so him I understand he never did
anything out of character what I'm
saying which is what I think are you
saying so are you are you so we've got a
not dropping of the ball but not a
graceful letting putting the ball down
and I'm totally with Vijay on that one
like I have no problem with Daenerys
actually going full-blown psycho yeah
that kind of made sense if if I had a
better lead up to it it sounds like what
really they needed to have done agency I
just have it like a 13 seat like 13
episode 2 parts he's they just needed to
have two regular seasons I said the same
thing I said the same thing or like I
was talking to Dale about what about
this the other night and I would said
you know how Breaking Bad did their last
season that was basically like season 5
a and B yes they were both be like you
know like it was supposed to be one long
season but they broke it up if they
would have done that same kind of thing
where they set a lot of things up last
season
then we this would not seem so jarring
and shocking to people that's just what
I'm what you've got you guys but then
again Vince Gilligan it's a better
writer than key well you got you got two
primary factors one the showrunners D
and D were getting tired to do in the
show so they won't go back to deadly oh
they're cooked there I want to go back
to what they're dead wood builder crying
in the new Star Wars trilogy yeah I'd
heard that too yeah yeah so once I'm
starting in 2021 so they wanted to wrap
things up and they didn't have George
Martin's guiding hand he was involved
but they didn't have they didn't have
the nuance of George's writing they
didn't have all the you know all the
gravity that the the decisions of the
characters so that element was
definitely lacking it was definitely no
small in season seven not surprising
it's noticeable in season eight as well
so yeah they they kind of wanted to
start closing up shop and they didn't
have George around as much yeah they
don't have the source material to pull
from yeah so it's not really surprising
yeah let's present anyway David Lynch I
mean but just to wrap that up though
what it Aaron and Joe what it like I
mean like very much in the same boat a
little bit more to the dropping of the
ball level of it especially when it
comes to it just doesn't make slitter
Lee a you can say like oh maybe they're
taking a different direction but it
feels like you know you've created this
existential threat for however many
seasons and the very first scene of the
show yeah the very first of the show is
literally there are zombies out there
murdering people and you were like oh
fuck he's a necromancer and it's this it
is this evil level of force first off
his whole thing is like oh why is he
doing it and you were hoping it was
gonna be this really where it's like
actually its brand from back in time
look first of all if they don't touch
anything with bran being able to
time-travel and fuck with people's heads
and they just leave that what it is it
might just make up for the prequels
because apparently one of the prequels
that they have with developing right now
is gonna be about the long night oh my
god
I just I can't I'm mad about that and
I'm mad look so and then it's like so
you defeat them and then our final big
battle their pitching is like oh it's
Cersei and then it's like oh wait they
just kind of give up and they just
slaughter and it's like well it's not a
climactic like it didn't and it didn't
have any meaning I mean aside from aside
from Cersei and Jaime dying together
like they were born together okay great
that that had meaning but other than
that it didn't have that their deaths
didn't have any meaning to anybody so
before we go into predictions I want to
make one more comment on that and this
is what pisses me off with the whole
Jaime ending and dying with Cersei thing
I get the idea of someone like where
it's somewhat poetic but the whole point
of what Jaime's arc has been this entire
time has been Wow when they split up
Jaime just got the shit kicked out of
them he got fucking humbled he loves a
better person another he became so he
was stripped down and then had to build
himself up and from building himself up
he became a better person yeah well
Cersei went down the path of going down
and becoming morally worse yes you can
say it was all for her kids but she did
some really fucking awful things and
went down so they were they start off
both as moral equivalence they have
divided over time but then you take that
arcing like fuck it they love each other
and then we just ruined it's like that's
like it sounds like in terms of Jaime is
just like Lucy is a truck that he could
just never kick yes I get that the idea
of addiction and toxic relationships
it's like something that's like and I
also want to say this a lot of
discussion online has been about how
they're like oh like they're making
jokes about like Korean like crying over
Jaime they're like all like the sex
couldn't have been that good and bla bla
bla bla but like I shout out to the
slash film like this and if gray Park
has to they listen to and like what's
the podcast slash film slash mom daily
and they were to happen the same kind of
discussion and one of the people
mentions they're like his read up it was
like she wasn't crying
or you know losing out on a guy or
whatever that's never been Brienne sting
she's never experienced like somebody
actually Karen she was crying for the
man that Jamie could be you know saying
that like you are honorable like this is
who you really are like that at Kings
lamian is not who the fuck you are you
could choose that's what she was upset
about not losing Jamie as like a
boyfriend lover whatever it's like and I
was like that's that's I think a fairly
accurate reading so I 100% I would be
totally okay with that and I think you
could keep that scene and also have
Jamie show up like let's say he gets to
the fucking tower where Cersei is and
instead of Cersei being all sad and like
this sympathetic like they're thinking
remake it as this was like fucking
murder all I don't care just exactly and
then he sees this his realizes holy shit
I have changed and she's awful and also
I murdered a person for doing his thing
wait yeah are you just saying that like
you wish said seriously like at that
point was just like essentially
recreating like a like a the last
Targaryen king that he would say like I
realized how much I've grown
she's grown but in the wrong direction
and I've killed so many other before and
I he had a visceral reaction I mean that
was he was a Kingsguard that was his
everything
yeah and he gave all that up for it so
he would give it up again I think if he
knew it was like completely for the
greater good and that would have been a
really powerful moment but instead they
I just feel like they just like that's
like you could literally have all the
same stuff you could have the dummy or
on scene who's fighting him in the needs
of dying on the beach fuck that and then
him just going up there and having that
moment but instead they're like oh she's
all sympathetic now I don't feel bad for
her yes she ordered a church full of
people with a bottom the audience was
expecting Jamie to kill Cersei and so
the showrunners decided not to go that
way because they were gonna predict that
who cares what like everybody's like
okay like oh you don't you just don't
want it you just don't like it because
it didn't go exactly how
you expected this ago it's like no I
love it when it doesn't go out but like
are we gonna forget about like the Maggy
the Frog fucking like magnet the Frog
the fucking the yeah the what the
valonqar was like you will be killed by
your fucking little brother and every
fucking thing that happened to Cersei
that she predicted happened except for
that yeah and she thought it was Tyrion
the whole time that's why she has this
hatred for Tyrion because she had fucked
up prophecy but Jamie like technically
was born after her so she's technically
older nah fuck that than him so that's
what everybody was like oh that makes
perfect sense it's gonna be Jamie right
anyway um let's get your guys have
anything yeah that's good our
predictions and then let's move on to
the topic of Jay because we'll spend all
night talking about this if we don't
move on start from down here predictions
for what we have in the next episode oh
let's see well it kind of all depends on
Daenerys his mood when she lands if
she's feeling rational at the very least
she will want to kill Tyrion if she's
still kind of psycho out of her mind
she'll probably kill Tyrion anyway so
Terry will probably die John well again
the expectations that John will kill
Daenerys so that probably won't happen
now as far as who something I think well
again okay here we go again I I like the
idea of the throne being destroyed so
that may or may not happen
and if it does not happen the
expectation is that John will sit on it
and D&D want to subvert my expectations
they'll stick fucking bran on the throne
in the end so that's my prediction
bran yes I'm gonna go ahead and say I
always agreed with that I just know at
the end of it there's gonna be no Iron
Throne anymore there's no gonna be no
Kapil I think it's gonna be democratized
and it's gonna be the Seven Kingdoms
again truly and everybody's kind of like
you know maybe there's a Council of
people who like yeah like you know the
wardens of everybody but like there's no
centralized king or queen or anything
like that
I think if anybody's gonna kill the
Nerds I think it's gonna be Arya even
though that I mean even though it's like
giving her too big like moments like
that and the season seems kind of weird
like killing an eye King and killing
Daenerys what kind of seems like man
like that's a little crazy but I think
maybe sure I actually try and chill fail
and she'll actually die like
why at the end of the day John has some
big ass decisions to make one of them's
got to go so we'll see how that turns
out but it's not gonna it's not gonna
turn out good for dinner it's either way
like so after that shit I think she made
her decision
I think bran in like the episode in the
beginning is gonna confront Daenerys and
be like listen like I'm three-eyed Raven
you know I can see into the future past
and everything like that and she's gonna
get mad and then she's gonna like slip
on something and she's gonna hit her
head and die but then bran doesn't want
to get in trouble for it so he's gonna
work her and he's gonna have to do a
weekend at bernie's for her while she's
on the throne turned into the mountain I
saw in the theater when it came out so
he's gonna work he's gonna work her into
a weekend at Bernie's whole thing for
the throne
so Daenerys is gonna end up on it but
it's bran pretending to be her because
he knows he can't get in trouble for
killing her and then he has to now it's
even weirder it's not just John having
sex with his aunt this is John having
sex with his aunt who's also being good
roll his book but he's not related to
bran at all yeah yes brother
that's not his brother it's his it would
be as soon as cousin gonna be a cousin
so yeah that's my purse what's gonna
happen oh yeah that's not that sound
let's sound it's a pretty sight I think
that's where they're gonna go party if
they really want to you know just not
meet anyone's expectations like I think
that's gonna be the one avoid just heart
turn right there
I think Starbucks is gonna come out on
top there is a dough throat it's just uh
this like shadows like CEO and the Board
of Directors sounds they're gonna open
it locations throughout all the Seven
Kingdoms can I get a drug on sighs
coffee places
all right what that be a second we're
taking shots take these shots right here
brother are we the only two today I'm
stepping out on the alcohol today I have
not been feeling well this last week
yeah just like up sometimes I get like
headaches like they just come like an
entire week like I'll just have multiple
headaches in one week and it's difficult
to be one of those weeks shit I'm sorry
man
David and fucking cheap-ass whiskey man
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all right that's actually I'm gonna go
ahead and step away for a minute and
like try to be a fuckin producer or
something like I don't actually getting
to the real topic you guys as always I
love you I miss you I'll see you guys
later bye thanks one thanks one all
right bringing someone new one up on the
mic as we are getting another person up
here well we're just gonna touch them on
what our top against today Joe would you
like to take that away all right because
I technical issues last week which we're
not foreseen yep we are ech we are
covering David Lynch this week nice the
first of our creator so a case before we
before we go so that can you explain
what the creator showcase and what we've
been doing recently and how is it
different from what we're doing today oh
yeah
for although for everyone who
understandably did check into last
week's episode because it was a very
truncated episode basically every
episode we have been doing so far as
it's been like what's up movie genre
that we could cover but I start I
thought that like starting with this
month we could do like
twice like a once per month we have like
a creator showcase episode where we talk
about like a noted like a figure in
filmmaking whether it's like a director
a photographer writer
yeah writer even authors out say and
then also I want to have another episode
for a week well one episode per month
that's specifically related to TV
whether that's like a TV genre or like a
TV medium or a TV network something that
we don't normally cover when we cover
film stuff well thank you movies pure
martial arts that's like an anime it's
like when we covered sci-fi for instance
like there are a lot of good sci-fi
shows out there but then maybe we've
pretty much ignored them in for just
movies or give TV their due Farren and
the creators there do we have a new
person on the mic right now please
introduce yourself and plug in whatever
you need hi I'm Lance Adams
I'm with Bridgeport Film Club we've been
making short films for the past six
years I've made thirty shorts in the
past ten years working on my first
feature film I also do a monthly meetup
called Chicago Film Club basically we go
to a different filmmakers apartment once
a month we gather we socialize and then
we share short films in progress and
then we give each other feedback and
yeah you can see out most of my stuff it
like vimeo.com slash Bridgeport Film
Club awesome great so we're just going
over our topic that we're going in today
which we've talked a little bit offline
about we're actually gonna kind of let's
just start off going down online our
topic is David Lynch alright director
creator and just kind of talking about
what you kind of got know how do you
know about him where'd you get to know
him what's your familiarity with him
so would you like to start off Lance
yeah sure so when I was a kid in the
olden days what there was a show called
Twin Peaks and I was about 10 years old
and Twin Peaks would come on and my dad
was enamored with it and he would watch
it every week every night and you know
I'm like I don't know 10 or something
and I would watch like five minutes of
it and I had to be like you know what
can I swear yeah this stuff you know and
so I would just wait that was your swear
word el and what is this like so then
you know that was my first introduction
to David Lynch okay and then in my
twenties Lost Highway came out and
there's a small theater over on Lincoln
by Fullerton just down the street and
that theater has since closed definitely
a booby that you should go see by
herself at a small with a bunch of other
single men yeah but so I saw it Lost
Highway and I was just blown away and
I've had this experience with bad boy
Bubbe which is an Australian film but
when I left out of Lost Highway it was
like the sidewalk was warping so reality
around me had shifted after I'd seen my
first David Lynch film so are you sure
you weren't just hi
so when I was my I don't drink I don't
smoke I don't do drugs
there was a short time when I was
drinking but I've since gone back to not
drinking it's a good habit not to have
yeah so you save a lot of money yeah I
mean it's the money that I say from not
drinking goes into my short films and
filmmaking it you know I can buy that
much more gear shit how much I would
save yeah I mean they he does he does
have a rivet Lynch does love paps blue
ribbon he's a big fan of that that's a
quick as soon as they started decided to
sponsor me you know like if they want to
sponsor a film you know I'll do a
Heineken short film
do you know Marg you fuck I'll do it
I'll do it actually David Lynch like
recently um like he's been doing a lot
of short films again and a lot and a
couple of them are flying advertisers
like he had one to start like um Mary
cotillion and his um sponsor advice like
who's got some kind of liquor wasn't
Eraserhead like sponsored by pampers
know is just sponsored by his uncle no
it was sponsored by phthalimide the last
well there was this there's this music
video that you know floating floating
Lotus the guy who directed kuso he had
David Lynch in this music video as a as
a puppy yeah like a head superimposed
under his dad was superimpose a
something straight up like what we did
the shadows like oh it seems that a lad
cannot fully transform into an animal
any boy he just tends to trouble with
the faces
pretty weird BJ what about you what is
your kind of experience with David Lynch
how you got to know him any experience
at all Dave and I go back all the ways I
recall watching the Elephant Man on HBO
back in 81 or 82 I was you know less
than 10 years old and you know scared
shitless but still fascinated by the
movie itself a couple years later I
actually went to see dune in the theatre
I didn't get it
buzz at the next Star Wars it was not
the next Star Wars but it was equally
fascinating to me and less scary than
the Elephant Man yeah that's art when i
when when doom came out on VHS a year or
so later I watched that movie basically
every day after school and I I became
very interested in David Lynch I saw
blue velvet which I think it's one of
his more accessible works probably
probably his first major release that
was mean he got he got was a did he win
Elephant Man or just nominated was he'll
get it today it was definitely nominated
for Elephant Man oh yeah won't get it to
that what I actually goods like buddy
yeah blue velvet really really made
David Lynch a near household name was
probably blue velvet that enabled him to
make Twin Peaks yeah I would actually
saw wild at heart saw fire walk with me
in the theater I have not seen Lost
Highway I have not seen Inland Empire
when I was in college I did an analysis
of Eraserhead so I had to watch that
movie about 20 times and scared of
fatherhood didn't it yeah
and I've seen Twin Peaks I have not seen
the Showtime revival but I've seen the
original run of Twin Peaks and also at
the soundtrack and one thing that I do
want to point out is he has some music
videos but he also has written music
yeah I was boasting about putting down
on the bike oh like how much we're gonna
get into that and it into his stuff
other than like his TV shows and feature
movie works he wrote he wrote I like
David Lynch coffee beans a lot better
than David Lynch music I got to say that
he makes coffee curry as it yeah the
copy bring that's making coffee beans
for a while I didn't know that David
Lynch espresso roast you could get it
off of his website good cup of coffee at
it he's full of beans you know and that
was shut down and then they he did this
he got into music I think would be great
if he actually got like like he got
really well-known for making coffee but
then he would make his own surrealist
Folgers commercials and so you drinking
coffee and then a fucking a bunch of
people like so one starts having sex
with a donkey
oh boy and then it all means something
and it was all a dream these drew or was
it a little was it we don't even know
anymore if you if you want to hear David
Lynch's music look up Angelo Badalamenti
or Julie Cruz she's the vocalist that
that he worked with back in the early
90s and it's you know ethereal and I've
heard about it it's it's pretty good
pretty good listening so yeah that's my
relationship with Dave and yeah so I
wanted I wanted to come and participate
with this discussion
it's it's near and dear to my heart I
think I think David Lynch is probably my
favorite overrated director favorite
overrated director yeah I think he's a
little overrated
well oh look look here your recent in a
bit I imagine well so I'm just gonna say
and I'll be 100% honest when Joe was
first print out this idea and he said
let's do one on David Lyfe thought we're
gonna like he's like yeah we'll do one
on a director and actor or actress or
writer and like oh we'll do something
like cupric or we'll do something like I
was thank you Kubrick or Spielberg
actually those are the two I was
thinking like you know what everyone
does yeah or Spielberg I like I don't
have a good president TV either obscure
direction but then I all of a sudden
he's like yeah let's do uh let's do
David Lynch and I'm like who's that I'm
very I'm a casual movie goer is probably
seen him even if you don't know that
you're feeling right I mean I saw that
flow and that was absolutely fantastic
you saw what his flow his hairstyle his
flow of his air
he's got flow for days I mean like so I
saw that I'm like what the hell is this
and like I'm like whoa let's look of his
movies to see and I saw Twin Peaks I'm
like okay I've heard of that and I've
seen a couple of like scenes from Twin
Peaks before yeah but I never really had
seen anything else after that his entire
film said I'm like I have no idea when
it what elevator and what have you seen
at this one and so little that I've just
watched one episode of Twin Peaks where
it literally I'm like oh this is Game of
Thrones
everyone just having sex with each other
like that's that's one thing I'm like it
was it was the it was the HBO porn for
the 90s and everyone had Game of Thrones
our TV landscape would not be here
without tweak who will go into that as
well okay and then I spent probably
about a good like two three hours and I
kind of like watched at least a synopsis
of 15 minutes of like every one of his
films and kind of got a feel for like
how he developed over time because
really he doesn't have a lot of feature
built then he has ten but ten over from
1970s
it is like a rather thing close to the
same number is less or no so I could
spend 10 15 minutes to like listen to
like what are the outline of this film
what is it about what are the themes and
just kind of get a feel for him as a
director and I gotta say my feel for him
is like a lot of fucked up shit I think
that when you're only getting like a 15
minute segments of one of his films like
because with Lost Highway and Inland
Empire like those are two films that I
saw in the theater and when I saw it
like it had a huge effect on me okay and
like Inland Empire is I think it's like
a three-hour and you know like there's
this whole like meditative aspect of it
like where you're watching this thing
and he like beats down your ego cuz the
movie just keeps on going and you know
like watching a scene and there's like a
sick time with rabbits and rabbits all
over the weekend or at least I attempted
to I got about 10 minutes in or I just
had to shut it off there was like a
psychological research study that was
using the rabbits sitcom to induce
existential dread in that is that at all
surprising I watched a ten-minute
synopsis that's equal to watching his
film and understanding it I just use it
to kind of like get a glimpse into like
what is his style typically that it goes
on with and then understand what are the
kind of plot points and kind of get
waters his theme throughout it and like
a lot of what the Oh everyone brings up
in any single movie is his style which
they called surreal amerikaner and like
Americana and like like I listened I'd
try to understand it better and I got a
decent understanding of it I mean I
obviously don't have what I found is
when I've had discussions with people
it's either
you have no fucking idea who David
Lynch's or you are a fan of David Lynch
because there's a huge divide I've never
heard anyone say I know who David
Lynch's I hate that guy no one says that
no one says that at all I think the
people who say like I don't like David
Lynch haven't actually really sat down
and watched more than like one David
Lynch movie well see the thing that is
is that with David Lynch you can't just
sit down and watch it you have to sit
down and analyze it while you're
watching it right it's great to do that
while intoxicated well then I've done
that many a time I've helped but yeah I
mean you can't just you can't just be a
casual David Lynch fan you've you've got
to invest you've got it you've got to
participate this ain't a fucking Marvel
film David Lynch Marvel movie though
well he was tapped to direct Return of
the Jedi yeah so one thing I did see
before I came on here what I thought was
funny is I was like flipping through
like just really trying to understand
David Lynch more and his philosophy and
everything he's done and someone had
made you guys one of the goofy movie yes
okay and so one totally goofy movie and
made a David Lynch trailer if he was
directing the goofy movie and it was
pretty fucking disturbing yeah I mean
that I'm evil look that up now power
line yeah it had 1.2 million views so
that speaks for the David Lynch fans out
there love it yeah David Lynch we are
many so Joris Joe what what's your
history with David Lynch why did you
choose him as our first well it's just
compared to you two I am much more of a
recent like convert to David Lynch
seeing as I got into him like when I was
in college it's like I'm watched the
David Lynch movie or twin peaks' before
I'd say my sophomore year
College what do you resent I would have
probably been around 2014 okay and yeah
it's like that was when I started
getting into film and like I just dawned
off like a Darren Aronofsky train and I
was like huh I need something to watch
so I just threw out of probably
Eraserhead or Mulholland Drive and all
those movies just like fantastic alright
I'll just keep watching more stuff and
the reason why I chose David Lynch today
is like not only it's like a very big
presence in like be tripled but also
like to go align with hard like
increasing focus on TV he also changed
the game for TV which neither Spielberg
or Cooper can say do you think it looks
like none of those sub cupric or and you
guys could tell me if I'm wrong
they had no effect on TV at all and it's
no that was just pretty much just
features none of them are like directed
or created TV shows yeah I don't think
Kubrick was involved with TV at all that
I know amazing stories like because if
it Spielberg had to like TV it was
probably just like his production studio
like I think they Perdue like there are
executive producers of like the
Animaniacs and such but they love the
anime nion yes what that does about like
the same degree of influence of the TV
landscape that Lynch's had like Lynch
pretty much started like the Golden Age
of TV I would argue really well what
shows do you think we're inspire or
influenced by Twin Peaks what came after
that's that's even similar to Twin Peaks
in any way else well I would say its
darkest just like similar to Twin Peaks
is like to act like within 10 years of
Twin Peaks kanva Sopranos and oz but the
fact that like um David Lynch paved the
way for like feature film directors and
actor and the actors who work with him
like hey why don't we go do stuff in TV
they don't try to make it good film
quality TV so it's not just like the
premise but it's also like the
philosophy behind the filmmaking because
before that TV is pretty much as its own
kind of
ghetto in terms of you know because like
everyone's trying to leave the TV ghetto
to get to a filmmaking paradise yeah
well the movie make like moviemaking
paradise well if we're gonna go into
this whole idea of like yet again like
his impact on the world I think it would
be best to then move into kind of like
how like is like overall just like you
know like actually get into my outline
let's get into the outlet we have an
outline yes where we're gonna prepare
every week so well let's just kind of
get into it right from the beginning
then we like start from the beginning
with Eraserhead and this is not even the
beginning I like I was listening to get
again this is my this is my I was
sitting in an uber listening to like 20
to 30 minutes of people talking about
David Lynch to make sure I understood
somewhat in this conversation but
correct me if I'm wrong before these two
films he would like had this whole idea
of where and I know this funny they said
he said in college he wanted to make a
painting that move but yeah cuz like he
went to he was just good of the
Pennsylvania Academy of Fine Arts so
happy so how disappointed was he when he
found out about TV and film which were
literally pictures that I mean like his
early stuff is pretty much just like
well it looked like the paintings like
six men getting sick yes his first film
it was just aloof just like a very oh
I'm gonna go reach other annoys us he
was a moving painting and that film he
ended up someone saw it and they said
you know here's the money go make your
next one really yeah cuz he was in
college at the time okay yeah and I
think and I think the next scooby-doo
babies either grandma or the alphabet
yeah grandma
and the or well what is grandma's also
wasn't it mother
wasn't there like one called mother in
there but I don't remember the alphabet
i watch the alphabet over the weekend
yeah there's only four minutes but I
don't think we would
I think we might get pulled off the air
even though it is if we were to play if
we were going to play the alphabet yeah
it is a it is something like it's like a
demonic version of the ABCs kind of yes
the only and like the only short anime
movie and I've seen that his trip here
then the alphabet is a Walt Disney in
Salvador Dali's just inaho have no idea
what that is it's a movie we'll explain
that further it is a movie created by
Walt in studio like in collaboration
with Salvador Dali the noted surrealist
painter big collaborator who has melting
clocks and things yeah a lot of those
are in this movie and it's just like a
it's both like it seems I could fit
right into like Fantasia because it's
just like the whole time like there's
this thing like a destino look at the
background but it tells the story of
like a love affair between like a human
woman in Chronos the god of time up
apparently I had to look that up that
synopsis because I was not following
exactly what was going on okay but that
is a that is not David Lynch that is a
different kind of surreal well then
we'll stay away from that so as I read
like his whole style and you can correct
me if I'm wrong if it does I think his
major tenant of what he has is this idea
of what people they call it almost like
we're Kafka got his own word for like
Kafka s yeah they actually created like
him lynch him lynch e and type film that
I thought was really interesting would
you say it's an apt comparison to say
that like Kafka and Lynch are a little
bit cut from the same cloth and that
they did it their own way yeah and they
kind of created something that was
completely new and no one saw before
that and you've also got parallels when
it comes to their use of surrealist
imagery and body horror I see or you
know you mentioned Cronenberg I'll get
to that
yeah just like especially like with the
Eraserhead you know I think trying's
happening to someone's body that they
can't control or understate the like the
child or the woman in the radiator yeah
so it's it's it's definitely there's not
as much body horror and lynches therein
and Cronenberg which Greenberg's all
stick is like yeah that's that's this
whole thing but there's very little
surrealism in Cronenberg I mean it's
it's very real some comes from the body
part but but it's it's much as it's
easier to follow a Cronenberg film than
it is to follow Lynch film yeah
definitely you can watch you can watch a
Cronenberg film once and say okay I get
it I understand Videodrome Lynch you
gotta watch like two or three or four or
five times a night then maybe it just
Lynch's like quantum physics but when
you think you get it you still don't get
it yeah and speaking of someone who
actually studied quantum physics in
college I can make these gonna say that
every single description you think you
know like the more you know the more you
know you don't know series aired physics
being set up dammit
chemistry teacher well I'm the
industry's different from physics yeah
physics is like cancer chemistry
supplied physics I think with Lynch you
can take away a lot of different things
and like the viewer you know you show to
a hundred people they'll be like a
hundred different versions of what just
happens
well he's not what he wants he wants
that home level of like whatever like
whenever you get out of this film is
like that's what its purpose is like you
got it that and like if that's its whole
point and I don't I don't know like I
listen to that a little but night I get
it like yep I just don't like I don't
know I feel like there should be a
purpose do a story a film or a story or
whatever like well I don't need a clean
cut where it's like die hard we're like
up I need I need my fucking German guy
who's bad and then he might drop this a
anvil of meeting on the viewers head
understood what's happening so like I'm
not always needing that I'm not that
basic I love gray and I love having when
you're having a storyline in which the
whole point is like yeah the world's
kind of fucked up and there's not really
a always a good or a bad choice
sometimes everything's all blended
together but like this whole point like
whatever you want it to be man what it
is well into the early films there
really isn't much of a story well that's
definitely most not yeah yeah it's all
style and Eraserhead there's a little
bit of a story but not a whole lot I
think it's like the original script for
Eraserhead was 21 pages right right it's
an hour half movies so then when you get
to Elephant Man then you get a story
from beginning to end I think that's
partly because the Elephant Man script
was brought to him yes true - well I
think going back to what you were saying
Maxim one like a quote I read from David
Lynch pretty much described that it's
like um like real life does it always
make sense so why do our movies and our
art has to do because when I'm paying
1250 for a ticket I want to see a good
story yeah well I mean I want at least
some coherence oh yeah well those when
it gets more of it later on I want to I
want to see Thor hitting someone with a
ham soup spoons you know as the
explosions I want to feel good when I
leave that's what I I think when you
look at like blue velvet there's really
good storytelling there
you know the straight story it's like
the seven straight yeah I mean it's you
spent the credits off the beginning of
straight story you would not know who
directed that movie no no clue all right
well then the soul that was we approach
this early stuff so we talked about this
we did talk about Americana celery
realism in kind of the point of it let's
talk about then his beginning Eraserhead
in the Alpha man we've touched upon it a
lot we talked about I hear from both you
guys as well that those were two films
that definitely impacted you guys and
obviously first got you introduced
because of this first kind of major
films he made yeah yeah I mean for me
the biggest film that had are to the
films that had the biggest impact on me
were just Lost Highway and Inland Empire
I saw Eraserhead like after the fact and
it was like on DVD you know so it's like
you can watch it for half an hour and
then is it only a half an hour long no
no no it's like 90 minutes there's a
point we're like like they're so could
we explain what like the eraser it is
because from my whole life when I've
seen yes like it's a guy who his wife
has loved and he has a kid but the kids
like I'm a mutant cow that keeps crying
more like a giant sperm like a giant
sperm it's just like yeah and he's like
he walks in and it's sick and he just
like oh no you really are sick and it's
like well he's got a bunch of flies are
on a dude of course it's fucking sick
okay and then it's like and then all of
a sudden it cuts to like him his head
falls off and there's a little mouth
there and then a woman who's really
creepy with a woman in the radiator with
big cheeks as like it's all about the
of existence it's the and the the horror
of bringing in another life into that
existence is that is that just like did
I get everything from those couples
actually is that somewhat biographical
in a way because he had a kid when he
was like yeah he's like 20 21 yeah he
met him his first wife 20 was it like in
college and she got pregnant and they
got married and how old were they early
twenties goddamn that's gonna basically
like having a kid again Lynch was just
terrified of fatherhood was like alright
I want a father gotta do this yeah and
so you took a lot of those feelings and
put him into Eraserhead
I think what if they're a very surreal
filter being David Lynch's kids got a
fuckin suck you know this is how much my
dad fucking hated having me I wasn't no
no no there's this there's this thing
that just keeps crying dad exposed
himself but your but his kids they're in
this studio environment where they're
surrounded by creativity and also he's
still doing paintings he's making films
also just the hellish nature of Thea of
the Philadelphia neighborhood that he
lived in pretty much living like a real
bad pirates our fucking shot yeah it
moved in and it is like within a week
his house got robbed twice
get out of that it's like it was so
cheap he couldn't afford anywhere else
just like the beef house that they they
bought they bought it for $3,500 wait
$3,500 in 1975 money I'm guessing or
yeah like early 1970s budget how much is
that nowadays a million dollars half a
million dollars oh shit you basically
you basically got the gist of your razor
credits all it's all imagery like a lot
of the imagery has to do with sexual
reproduction
and you know birth death you know that
whole thing so you've pretty much got
the gist of it from that short number
that you watched you sold yeah like
literally ten minutes yeah and there's
like an old woman there helping her make
a salad as Jeff pointed out the the
original script was only like 21 pages
long and it was meant to be a short
movie
well the buckle of the film is just
imagery really but yeah I do recommend
watching it from start to finish at
least once and also watch it fire at
least once what you guys are making it
sound so terrifying I don't want to get
like intoxicated and watch that thing
and then just go to bed yeah the moment
where you turn the TV off and there's
like it still has that like like that
the light reflection you don't walk into
bed and then you got try to fall asleep
red enjoy I guess that's just I love
like just as I used to love just like
getting stoned off my ass and then just
watching like horror movies and they
just immediately go into bed that's
fucking terrifying I was the kid like
after those movies like who'd like
immediately try to run upstairs as fast
as possible because you thought there's
something behind you at every point in
time all right no one else did that I
mean I kind of did they go in a basement
and you watch movies down there and then
you got to run up okay well that's to my
parents basement plate from middle
school onwards
so you just stayed there you stayed in
the basement kind of oh my god I think
your headaches might go away if you stop
doing that I actually like that smoked
in three weeks so all right
good for you MIT breakers well you
haven't been watching any David Lynch
films for the last three weeks no I've
been watching all the David Lee notes
that I have over the last two weeks
well let's lean to the next one let's
turn the oven that's not a student film
to something to actually
like a professional movie is this the
one where like so like keep it is all
the stuff that anyone is to keep
throwing more money at him now like in
its forehead
well no a certain realtor what's
produced it oh yeah Brooks Brooks on
race night things like that's the guy I
want problem Elephant Man yeah well I
wanted to produce his next movie
whatever that is so no Mel Brooks
produce the fly yeah he just came the
fly
yeah I've seen the fly without what's
his name Mel Brooks oh yeah it comes
mostly to watch with your mother the
arms napping scene yeah dog playing all
the all the sex scenes yeah yeah like
all the cheated Davis just didn't like
rails
yeah rail produced Elephant Man he kept
his day off like the credits not just
because he do might be associated but
because he didn't want people to
associate the offic man yeah the
elephant is Brooks films not Mel Brooks
eight Mel Burke's film yeah
when you watch airplanes severely upset
with actually men man Haron if I were
you I would watch Elephant Man before
watching Eraserhead
the end of myself Elephant Man it's a
lot more straightforward is very
beautiful to look as much like surreal
as to came into the wild but not a lot
but it's definitely one of his more
accessible films that's just probably
why that's some of the most liked Awards
nomination right so why like when I saw
it I mean it just seemed like you said
it's a biopic about an actual person who
had this disease yeah I'll have one saw
him like as like a freak of nature and
like and like it's very much where you
can have a person like he's speaking
like no I'm not a monster I'm a person
like like that's the that's a story
we've heard people crying for their
human flee be asking me but it also kind
of deconstructs that pack pile attack
like within the movie like after they
rescue
juh of John in the movie they rescue him
from his a sadistic freak show manager
more or less and like they realize that
like oh he's actually intelligent like
well have people come in like visit him
at the hospital and then like the nurse
is like you know it just seems like
you're trading a circus for high society
people are still just covering the doc
atom and the doctor himself Anthony
Hopkins it's like you know what I think
you're actually right
am I actually a good person because did
I help about the kindest for my heart or
did I just help him the scare off with
because I thought I could get something
from him
in this case like parade him around
scientific circles so can we do a little
bit spoiler what happens at the end of
this film because I besides he dies
thanks plane well I watch this last
night because of this condition he can
only sleep sitting up
but movie he's like you know what I've
had enough and he goes to bed and does
he like choke on is like kind of fades
out that words are so heavy they're like
if he lies down it pretty much just like
closes his like Britt like his airplane
Airways like sleep apnea times 1000 yeah
Jesus actually job hurt experience that
safe they like plenty of all the makeup
yeah like what do you power the
prosthetics and makeup were put on him
to make him look like Joseph Merrick
he tried sleepy down like sleeping like
by lying down and he nearly choked to
death so you can sleep like sitting on
the way the way there's some real
fucking strong neck muscles though at
the end of that film so you know he does
die
yeah but John Merrick I think died in
his mid 20s early 20s ones yeah like the
what's in the movie like it
think when they find him at the carnival
like he's 21 so yeah he was a young man
that yeah but it's based on a true story
and then like I said it's one of his
more
it's less about surrealism it's more
about that story definitely being
rejected by society only surreal bits in
the Alfa man come from like the body
horror and like a very beginning with
the LD imagery with the elephant and
also the dream yeah right as well this
is all it's all real like you know yes
based on a historical person that's
pretty much just like David Lynch like
is there any like dream sequences and
there's water it's like okay but this
was this was David's first big-budget
movie and also like his first movie that
like got a lot of like critical
attention yeah there's a reason head was
just a cult midnight circuit the
Eraserhead took five years to make yeah
and you know Elephant Man you sell
newspapers to get the budget sold
newspaper newspaper out so he can raise
money to make his film I came to see
David Lynch on there like a lot of his
personal friends really yeah huh but
back to definitely an interesting thing
over like it was a pretty much guy with
his most Oscar in Hobbes like it was
nominated for seven Academy Awards and
pretty much was the catalyst for like
the creation of a the Academy Award for
Best like makeup makeup effects so wait
before way back one that wasn't every no
that wasn't an award but I'd like to the
Alpha man came out and say this movie
should have done to the ward for its
makeup design yeah kind of like how
after the dark night like the dark
thirty two-bit nominee for Best Picture
so then like the Academy respond like
alright I guess we'll expand our Best
Picture nominee he'll to ten and so they
allowed it in there interesting all
right we go we got so much a new on here
right now so he goes one you introduce
yourself right now for us I'm Alex Alex
got to eat that mic a little bit closer
like this oh there was this feels a
little bit comfortable look too
comfortable yep
imagine yourself is like Isabella
Rossellini well am I supposed to get
naked and walk down the street I mean if
it helps you get in food I don't
recommend it but you do you I guess well
so good question what is your experience
then with David Lynch our topic that
we're talking about right now we kind of
talked about our experiences with them
when ranging from knowing everything
which was the entire panel and me
knowing nothing so David Lynch was like
the weird director I knew nothing about
when I was a kid know it whenever I saw
his shit it freaked me out and then when
I went to film school I got obsessed
with Mulholland Drive it's like the only
movie of his I absolutely loved and I've
seen much of his stuff but not in a
really long time so I have forgotten a
lot about David Lynch that's that's my
relationship with him right now
so you'd say your first introduction was
Mahal and drys when you got to film
school or that's like when I first like
actually I like I actually knew his work
I'd say like when I first like
introduced to him was probably Twin
Peaks like probably watching the show
like the scenes in love like the Red
Room
like when like the the backwards talking
dwarf and agent Cooper running around
being lost in the curtains and stuff you
guys already talked to the twin theme
you know you're gonna we've we've
touched upon it we haven't gone about a
woman being wrapped in a fucking
doorknob is a beginning of like a
Lynch's feature film career at this
point okay so where are we at now wasn't
we're moving we've now reaching but to
Lauren the DiLorenzo Grantham's what was
was Dave Lauren all right I will explain
that in a second
thank you thank you surgery that for me
I need that once in a while yeah my
patients that's why I come prepared
I know you do you come with a whole lot
of damage today we're going to talk
about Dino De Laurentiis
Wow I mean I think I think that do you
know DiLaurentis films was a great deal
for Lynch oh yeah they were really help
coming off of Elephant Man
you know Dino deal Dino wanted to make
films with this guy and David Lynch said
yeah I'll make dune but then I want to
do whatever I want
technically it was like Dino like hired
David Lynch like all right I want you to
make this adaption of do and after I
bought the rights from the failed
production of Alejandro Jodorowsky's
dune and then after dude I will have you
on contract for a two more movies so
like if I'm correct what I've known
about dune and yet again free 10 15
minutes I've watched with it's it's it's
it seems like Star Wars but with like
drugs that keep you alive Oh Star Wars
is like doing because dude came before
Star Wars okay fair enough
I just one's more popular clearly than
the other movie that's exactly the same
like those stars has the four sand dune
as the spy so you have spice that you
know makes you live it sound like
telekinesis well it makes you see it can
either make you see into the future
or look back to your genetic past doing
there's more S&M - I mean Star Wars has
S&M and Return of the Jedi but not
really yeah it's more feudal yes it you
know dude what's the name of the planet
where that ik so like so let's back up
forcing rockets
alright so so let's back up on the plot
of what dune is for those who don't know
at all so dune from my understanding and
correct stop me when I stop saying
you'll stop me if I say if I stay some
dumb but going on there it's it's a it's
a planet it's in the future nineteen
thousand years lathy ninety thousand
years in the future and there's a planet
it's called dune for our rackets and
it's yeah it's called Arrakis
colloquially called dune because it's
just a desert desert but there's there
there's in that plant what it's known
for is it has something called the spice
but not in quote it melange bytes
melange
the only place in the universe where it
could be found and it is the key to
faster-than-light travel because there
are no computers in dude wait wait hold
on so just fasten like travel and it
makes you live forever
but you have to take a lot of spice
there are these guys called the
navigators who take lots and lots of
spice and they say they can say limited
into the future they know like the path
roughly where to go well there and
they're there they've they've they've
evolved they're no longer they no longer
look like people they basically live
life so they go cured in fish and kept
in tanks and the way that they move
through spaces they fold space okay and
then you're there in an instant so if
you eat enough of this stuff like do you
eat it or do you like stuff in here
knows well they can ingest it but if
you're on if you're on Arrakis it's like
in the air so your byproduct of the sand
and worms so this is the starting to
sound like a lucid cocaine dream right
now and actually it's kind of no that's
because like oh they wear that like they
wear the still suits and such on dude
because there's so little water that
like if they lose any body moisture they
will dehydrate so they are in their own
pee yeah pretty much they are recycling
their own forms of water excreted by the
human body when they're out of their
caves the Fremen
the the native subdued snorting piss
okay I got this that's what dude well
it's more likely it goes through these
filters and then they drink it there's a
thing there's a tube in their nose what
is the longest that link we come from
what is that liquid come there
everywhere yeah and also their sweat
stay man we're all gonna be doing it
like in another 1,500 yes all of us are
gonna be you know drinking right now I
called I could do that on the space
station called Instagram we're gonna be
snorting our own pee at the bike like 20
30 we're all gonna be snorting our own
pony
I'd say 20 69
Nestea not even really sure yeah 20 69
ready to snortin your old beef so I know
so now we got a world in which the
people who have this spice that makes
them live forever and it done some guys
a bunch of sand there was actually make
them blend loafer finish let me finish
snorting their own pea and then I like
ice and then they're like you're
massively under selling this well I'm
not I'm not
then there's two houses and there's a
kid obviously there's there's house
Kirino which is like the house of the
Emperor there's um House Atreides which
is like the house of the protagonist so
there's the good people and there's the
dickish people and the emperor who likes
the dickish people well the dickish
people want to kill the good people and
the kid probably Lily's dad if the
emperor wants to hurt Conan's to wipe
out the Atreides because these because
the emperor views are the Atreides the
good people yes actually the ones that
you root for yeah but like in a
monarchical in a monarchy can is anybody
really good yeah
and in the case of dune it's because
like the Emperor views like a the head
of a house Atreides as a threat because
he is becoming so popular within like
the landsraad as it's called like
basically like the court of like all the
houses that like like if I am NOT bald
dude like I'm not careful this guy could
use herb me maybe it could be a little
bit nicer as an emperor you know make
something like that but then there's
also his kid Paul Atreides who could be
the it sack that Iraq so he's like Jesus
he's the country Jesus of seeing in the
future in past
of the spice of the spice and then she's
always spicy Jesus the spicy Jesus is
his son becomes the literal God Emperor
and doesn't he like now like he takes
enough spice eventually or you drink
some well that's partly stop nobody
comes like God and in order to see into
the future or it to like genetic tests
you have to go through this trial which
involves like basically what's called
the water of life which is comes from
the sand warrants which is he yeah but
that's like the third of the trial he
goes through like space Jesus until the
end of the book yeah he gets tested to
see if he's a human so like the the
Bennett generates this this Queen Mother
she like gives him this one test to see
if he's a human or not okay and there
are no machines allowed is there a
training montage at all with some solid
eighties music to it no I'd love to see
somebody out there make a version of
doom based off of this podcast is gonna
make a version of doing this exactly
like this we're waiting for the spicy
Jesus to come down and Bob Hoskins oh no
way he's dead the resurrect Bob Hoskins
to play Polly tradies I still feel like
you're massively underselling this I'm
not masters like it so it's it's that
and then he becomes the spicy Jesus and
but he's not the spicy Jesus because
he's like listen like you guys have
created this myth and like I can see how
she the world's eventually gonna get and
the world is gonna become shit in like
50 years well in the books Paul Atreides
sees the future and he realizes that
kind of the shit that's going on with
the evangelicals today it's gonna happen
with him where there's going to be this
group of people who want like you know
the jihad they want a jihad and
so he's like should I really become you
know who I think I can become or not
it's like it becomes what he wants like
if he becomes what he's meant to be then
countless trillions of people will die
in his name because it was like once
you're dead and they're like they can
dig well like he wouldn't have done it
that way and then run then everyone
fights and they murder each other so I
think that's that III think I've also in
that moment have taken the entire II
israel-palestine conflict and put it
down and that everyone just yelling at
each other about religion
so guys I'm figuring out a lot of things
I mean with with that you're really
talking about a group of people that are
in an open-air prison and they're being
systematically killed you know I mean
just like with the spice and the worm
ranchers drinking their own pee the
thing I always wonder about doing is
what in the world about this did did
David Lynch have appeal for it because
this is so different for most of most of
his work it's very little ago he was
hired by Dino De Laurentiis because I
keep purchased the rights from the it is
notes and memorize it
did you memorize everything no but I
never do that's not my job yeah that's
possible like Joe we're just well
basically De Laurentis
purchased the rights to the dune
adaption from the Gibbon group which had
the for the producers for Alejandro
Jodorowsky's failed attempt in June
which sounds also block wild there was a
failed attempt at doing what was the
actual attempt at dune I mean it was
like Omaha intro jodorowsky like the
great Spanish surrealist filmmaker was
going to try to make a 12 hour do movie
starring like Mick Jagger yeah Mick
Jagger who else was gonna be it
brown sugar at one pointer time I think
we missed a great opportunity believe uh
Orson Welles is also gonna be in it
Pink Floyd was gonna score the whole
movie yes this sounds there's a whole
documentary this June great watch isn't
this ragtag group of guys coming
together to make dude yeah I'm actually
really shaped like how film was also
made by IBM connections Abe it
influenced that whole era because then
guys that were on the team for the
design team they went did alien Star
Wars HR Giger was the who's HR Giger I'm
gonna I'm gonna show you this right now
I am literally the most common movie
watcher ever and so you could just go
you're mad at me you're you're
uncommonly stupid about these topics I'm
one commonly stupid I don't know
everything about who made alien and not
most future is vinegar there was see
there you go
I learned something today and I hope you
have to today ladies and gentlemen it's
interesting that there my job to
surrealist filmmakers cornered for this
story because I mean from what you're
talking about with do and I'm not that
familiar to flap that I mean whether
they had entire damn fly and it seems
like a science fiction story it's not
yeah it's it's sites into the pretty
much just like the same kind of
deconstruction in about sci-fi planetary
romance that a game of Thrones is for
medieval fantasy yes so it's not dream
logic like no you take one serious
director at this time like you have
David Lynch who I guess he doesn't
really have a brand set up yeah because
he did what - movie it's two movies yeah
one was like a literal moving Elephant
Man like it's like not a surrealist film
atomic victim like a straightforward
thing and then the other one was
Eraserhead which was like a surrealist
thing so it's interesting that he's like
if this ported like this work in the
road there yeah he hasn't been pegged as
anything yet but also I can help them
like at this point like Lynch had been
courted to make a lot of other stuff
like he had didn't like after at the
alpha man he's been a he was approached
by George Lucas to direct the Return of
the Jedi
and he turned it down because he what he
told George to like you know this is
your vision you should direct it I'm
trying to think of the surreal version
of like he walks they would have talked
backwards and smoke tomorrow
I haven't played by quadric pair like a
about points like uh like guy from Mad
Max fury road just looking at chair I'm
pretty sure David Lynch would've been
fired at some plane from returning the
Jedi and then direct progressed but all
right back to like dude yeah dude was
released wasn't all that successful was
it the next Star Wars nope you said Star
Wars came out after this well this dude
came out in 1984 okay when the original
star the original Star Wars came out in
77 so when I said that this Bill's like
gravity is the book the book came out
before stable a book came out in the
early 60s yeah
so we're both wrong no I'm learning
something from each other today but you
can just say no if you want to you can
tell me I'm wrong we're talking about
it's all whatever you want it to be
David Lynch whatever you get out of it
well you know the production of dune
pretty like pretty filled with executive
meddling like basically it got to the
point where David Lynch requested that
he have his name taken off the project
Wade he got his movement down there
there are being two different versions
there was a TV extended version yeah
that was the price should be one man the
Alan Smithee version and then there's
the David Lynch version which was the
theatrical version which is more like so
like the Alan Smithee version was like
over two hours and then the this was a
theatrical version for David Lynch was
like 90 minutes or something but it was
during this production which one do you
want his name off of the TV TV version
extended cut does made it I made myself
I like I think I like the Alan Smithee
version better just because there's more
of it and I liked being in that world
okay
you felt like characters and development
and like storylines were well kind of
like they gave more time to it therefore
you can enjoy okay weirdness in there
that's really cool though they cut out
they're like we have no time for this
bullshit let's just cut this all
storyline out
all right there let's go from dune the
next thing you got on this list is blue
velvet never years later yeah David
Lynch started writing blue velvet during
the production of dune because he wanted
to create like a like create a movie
that was closer to his own like
sensibility no so questions so is I yet
again I'm trying to like get them all
organized matte blue velvet if I'm
correct the storyline is about a girl
who goes off to Hollywood right no that
is no dude literally blue held a whole
bunch of these you can you can you go on
the street you pull a bunch of people
and figure out how many of them know
David Lynch I know more than 80% of
these pockets yes it's been two hours
watching 10-minute synopsis of all those
films I was hoping you just were talking
to random people on the street like
getting their opinion on David Lynch and
I mean that if I had if had a little bit
more time but whatever done
all right blue velvet is basically just
about Kyle MacLachlan he comes back from
college because his dad has a stroke and
he's just walking in a field and he
finds a severed ear and this is like a
small suburb town of Lincoln what I
believe is called and he takes it to the
police like my home Oh what like thank
you for bringing this to us table cloths
ID we'll look into it and then like
comic walks on the like be basically for
friends of the police chief's daughter
and she's like hey I overheard a
conversation this ear is associated with
um this a lounge singer named played by
Isabella Rossellini who lives in this
one apartment like and so they go to
look like a investigate something like a
crime drama yeah it's very much a
neo-noir
current crime thriller neo noir and
basically from there like comic Laughlin
sees Isabella Rossellini and finds out
that she has basically been a forcibly
made into Dennis Hopper sex slave and
this is where he's punching her like all
the time right yeah yeah he's like
hitting her while he's having sex with
her and things like yeah well also
there's huffing nitrous yeah originally
originally did Lynch just wanted him to
change his voice without the nitrous and
then Dennis Hopper was like nah man
that's too weird like you know what if
what if I was on laughing gas and I
could have like a little hopper you guys
did yeah take some happy gas and then
that would you know and then I would
change my voice and then and then I'd do
all these things like that makes it
totally fine now it's like yeah it
totally works but basically it was Lynch
is a first exploration and um thank you
sir
like the idea of a like the circle that
quite surreal for like an idea that
you'll explore later in Twin Peaks and
all of his Hollywood movies about like
what looks like a town or a city with
like a shining exterior let's just all
have this like if you look beneath the
surface it's just a chip a joined the
he'll essentially wait I mean it kind of
comes it kind of comes from the opening
shots it's like the opening shots of the
film you see these tulips with a blue
sky it supposed to be like that perfect
and like the camera picture of greatness
right wipe it that's when the camera
goes down to the grass and then there's
all these ants and dogs and stuff like
chomping at everything and then you see
the guy have a stroke that was like that
was a comment that he like he made like
where he wants to find like the the
weird shit and the awful stuff in like
the ordinary especially because this is
the the age of Reagan and like
everyone's like Oh everything perfect
we all wear sweaters hmm the new the
American family is strongest and David
looks like fuck that shit
there's beetles and there's ants in the
ground and also rape lots and lots of
rape that's what beat up and speaking of
the ants there were a bunch of ants on
the ear that he found in the field and
the the ear was actually like an old
brown paper bag wasn't it no he took it
to the police in a brown paper and they
were well and never seen there was some
ants on us well what is the what is the
brown paper bag stand for oh it's just
what comic laughlin had on them there's
no meaning on it you don't want to put
an ear in your pocket yeah they don't
look bad no this like dude you didn't
even wrap it in saran wrap afterwards
like it's not last night's dinner
yeah like will be very divisive but it
proved to be like the movie that really
put David Lynch on the map because I
gave it was like very device clunks dogs
it says a couple nominations for Oscars
including the second nomination for a
Best Director yeah oh yeah
Ebert written a lot of these yeah yeah
he had a lot of Lynch's stuff he feel
like ripped it apart but Cisco loved him
they had it
not one man like they actually watch the
show but yeah like he was totally /
mikrotik Stu's people thought that like
it was like kind of like you know the
Emperor wears no clothes of like you
know what whatever like so some people
are saying like what's so fuckin great
about him what's so fuckin great about
this movies really make any sense and
some people just saw it and thought you
know is brilliant
which I think gotta carry through this
career like it he didn't really have a
unified like consensus on anything in
tomorrow yeah like everything that David
Lynch has made is like especially the
stuff that's been much more critically
divided have been vindicated by history
like when they came out like there are
people like we're verified like they
have I love to hate it but with like a
decade or two in between like people
like ha you know what this guy's
actually onto something this movie
actually is good well I mean it's think
that's like sorry I don't want me to cut
you off on that but I mean and it sounds
like yet again going back to our
comparison between him and Kafka I mean
the whole like Kafka like during his
time like especially in his full swing
like no one knew the fuck he was he was
just writing shit by himself and it just
happened that his sister like after his
death like decided to like not burn all
of his shit and like put out a couple of
the novels that he made and it's like
holy got shit the guy was brilliant you
know and I may be after you know David
Lynch's death there will be a greater
appreciation for his films maybe more so
than today okay alright could be wrong I
don't know I mean I think part of the -
is that like people that like his work
it's like they don't casually like it I
think that if you when you first start
watching its movies like if you like it
you start to become kind of obsessed for
a while he's a great devoted following
like people are just like really latch
on to it there's a lot of people just
like love everything that he does like
they think I all of this brilliance okay
noted earlier like you can't casually
watch these movies unless they're like a
straight story like if you watch a David
Lynch movie it's gonna either you're
good like it's gonna alienate you or
you're gonna be drawn in and you have to
really participate with the movie
it's like that movie mother genocide the
newer one with uh what's-her-name
Aronofsky Jennifer Lawrence Jennifer
Lawrence yeah that girl you know the
sink is not braced and then they have a
baby and then they eat the baby spoilers
I mean if the baby's always eating those
movies and the babies are always the
most tender
that's what snowpiercer tells me exactly
yes that's why those babies taste so
good yeah mother was that big
snowpiercer following out there right
now mother was a great movie - like
pinpoint exactly when the audience key
to that movie is exactly when the baby's
head snaps like and you just hear people
gasp like how they all hate it now yeah
I'm sorry
yeah so what's that Joe did we do we
distance from the topic too much again
we always did this is from her role to
tether it let's pulls back it's about
that David Lynch scenes where he snaps
these guys yes I mean other than in
Eraserhead when he cuts the newborn open
with scissors
wait yeah but so he kills the newborn
yeah he he basically like cuts away the
bandages it reveals that it's just like
a bag of organs and he just starts
stabbing the orga to the scissors
because he doesn't want to be a dead
like the baby is driving and Scofield
it's a kid the guy's got to feel bad as
I can't that do everything you know
you're his kid and this is what this is
how he feels about you a kid won't shut
up I just want to stab him with a
scissors yeah I think that first
marriage worked at three times but
apparently the first marriage along like
that he was in when they were making
race head they started very amicably
like they're still good friends to this
day
well one of his kids became a filmmaker
yeah Jennifer Lynch which one
Jennifer Lynch Jackson how the first one
or the second one or which one foxy
directed boxing helena that's the movie
the she directed the one with Sigourney
Weaver and Julian Sands I know she
directed she directed a film in India
called hiss yeah
but this is a diva bitch podcast and
also witness I think at most forty
minutes to cover the rest of this thirty
forty thirty four yeah we have a lot of
ground to cover
hold on okay let's go let's go to wild
at heart is that the one with uh with
Nicolas Cage yeah basically that's the
first movie like the 90s I love me seems
like after Utley cuz the third film that
Lynch is supposed to make folks you like
a De Laurentiis fell through so it but
like but because like a very it was it
like dude Lynch in particular so lore of
links with released from his contract
and he started making those this is what
he started getting in his TV and like
that this is when he met like Mark Frost
and they started working on various TV
pitches after like I think two or three
failed pilots they finally went to ABC
with Twin Peaks and that actually stuck
then during the production of twin yeah
because certain peaks came on like what
1990-1991
yeah nine ninety okay but it's wrong its
original run was from 90 to 91 but like
say a year two years okay yeah it was
only two seasons but also like due to
the nature of like TV production like
Lynch and crossed weren't on set
full-time like Lynch wholly directed
four episodes and wrote six well he was
pretty involved in the first season
right now then this is when he pulled
away and that's to do at her oh wait
that was more of like even then like in
the first season like he only directed
like the first and last episodes like he
rated he took a like a very active
approach it so selecting the like two
directors for each episode and her
writers but like he was the showrunner
so he pretty much just like guided the
writers with to what he wanted and so he
used a spare time the
wild at heart which was a based on a
book so yeah a bit more to go on there
you must create a script from like
nothing mm-hmm what's those store like I
know it's like it's two lovers right
it's a look let's just let's explain
what the film is so it's it's two lovers
right one guys named sailor what's the
water woman named I don't know I said
this is not a movie I've seen well so
like I just see more durable in my 10
minutes in ops I got it was two lovers
going off and there's an FBI agent
coming after them and they prohibit yeah
actually it was hired body the mother
yeah who was just like the girlfriend's
mom hired this guy to like track them
down yeah played by Willem Dafoe oh I
saw that I thought that was one Dafoe
but yeah with those little creepy team
befo with nice girl oh so he's growing
after them and what they were in love so
they just ran away is that what it is
yep and it's them this this guy trying
to hunt them down because to escape and
he's trying to track him down
so where does it get surreal that is it
not surreal as well that's surreal well
there's some some weird scenes with the
mom and then glenda the goodwitch comes
in oh yeah I did the same there was a
lot of wizards the odds that's played by
a Laura Palmer right what's it what's
the actress Laura Dern no no that Glinda
the Good Witch the the witch in more
Palmer was the person who was killed in
Twin Peaks so if they're trying to rape
and the actress who played her though
not sure was man whoever hey whoever is
watching tell us who the actor will play
nice chat Apollo wise we've got two
people watching and one of them
is me so Taylor Harris if you can find
out who that person is who were trying
to figure out now the actor who played
Laura Palmer and Twin Peaks Taylor
Harris you're on the line now figure it
out no no no let's healer do this it's
his job yes listening or she no I don't
you have to participate all right so so
okay does anyone have any more opinions
about wild at heart with Nicolas Cage
all right yeah okay it was really good
critically divided so it did like win
the Palme D or yes but was that the best
pick the best took Lou vehicon mmm-hmm
the Cannes thing yeah the can thing yeah
the French love David Lynch shit out of
them
but yeah while the heart was another one
of those ones just like blue velvet
we're like you know the Frenchie sent a
file is like oh my god this stuff is
great and then it's another movie that
Roger Ebert hated I think quite a few
audiences didn't like it I think what if
the other critics are outspoken against
it I mean he was kind of developing a
beam there yeah but I mean it was
successful for what he was trying to do
but blue velvet while it apart kind of
like okay now we have a David Lynch like
brand now like that's what was being
shaved while while Twin Peaks was very
successful at first see yeah yeah like
they're drawing like viewers and like
plus 30 plus million per episode hmm
that was because of that like that's in
the 90s too you know well yeah but still
there's nothing else like what like
pictures of absolutely outside they were
eventually cancelled because of low
ratings even those little rent lower
ratings they exceed the ratings of what
Game of Thrones gets a lot enough
nowadays well what does Game of Thrones
get nowadays I like the tens of millions
well we're also competing you have to
compete with computers and video games
and
back in the 90s alt was was there but
you said that you just had a paddle with
a ball on it that you played with and
just that yeah yeah no TV shows on balls
dark times I think before we launched it
at Lynch's next move we got to talk
about Twin Peaks bit oh yeah let's go
into it was all right you're sitting
here you're on this train of David Lynch
the entire time you're like two weeks
yeah I mean for me you know the normies
that was like if you've never seen David
Lynch before if you're a sci-fi fan I
would say watch dune if you're not I
would say watch blue velvet for your
first movie and then the movies that I
really like from David Lynch were
Eraserhead blue velvet dune blast
highway and then Inland Empire noble
hard drive it there I mean I thought it
was that was pretty good but the other
thing too is like once his next film
gonna come out you know I think he's
working on the season four of Twin Peaks
if he's gonna make one really well that
it's up in the air
has anyone here seen the new season
hates them no I want to watch like the
entirety of the original run of Twin
Peaks Chris but I have a very hard time
getting to like the the second half of
the series you're gonna shock the third
seasons nothing is it nothing like it
but still good or is it nothing like
well because I think I think it's better
because it's like batshit crazy David
Lynch because David Lynch and Mark Frost
wrote every episode and yeah David Lynch
directed every update of the new one
late winter was kind of like kind of
like a riff on like a distorted like so
you know very soap opera ask like you
know you had like your your TV true
we're gonna we're gonna burn down the
lodge or the mill and we're
to make money from it I'm much I mean
they had like their cheesy storylines
and also they're like there are trippy
dream sequences the fucking third season
the Twin Peaks is just like crazy-ass
shit happening for the most part you
have like these like really slow clap
points just drag on for like four
episodes and then you don't see how they
really relate so you have to be a real
good fit it's really cool a big issue
with like the original route of Twin
Peaks is that like the executives behind
like at ABC really they're getting a bit
skittish like alright we need to make
sure that our viewership doesn't drop
David we're gonna need you to reveal the
killer of Laura Palmer early kk8
episodes in out of 22 yep after that the
show had no momentum because like all
they had were just disciple the whole
point is so like trying to figure out
like whenever you do anything with you
that is the problem when you have a show
where the whole point is like who killed
this person and that's like the mystery
they're trying to solve the entire time
when you solve that mystery it's like
well well unless that mystery has more
questions to it than you now have to
solve this just like oh yeah it was this
person because of this and you wrap it
all up it's like well what the fucking
okay yeah that pretty much happened like
they revealed who killed Laura Palmer
and then the ratings just dropped at and
also around the same time Lynch was let
go like anything so like stranger things
which I think people have mentioned how
like David Lynch has like inspired a lot
from like what straighter things is and
all the surreal shit that comes from
there
like when season one ends which they
wrap it up where they get them back and
everything like that spoiler sorry for
those who haven't seen it but fuck you
if you haven't like he looking bomb it's
up a slug and something shitty happens
like oh clearly something's fucked up
with this kid because of what there's
another question now being at it yeah I
think that was stranger things they do a
good job of creating a mystery but they
don't thread that mystery out to the
point of like annoyance yep and then
with the second season they just go
deeper into the story and they make it
more interesting and they find ways to
like explore that
exactly you've created so you've created
a world that's very much this um like
this HP Lovecraft een world of like
cosmic horror but it's more like
dimensional or there's there's it's so
vast and wide we don't know about this a
lot I love crafting elements in David
Lynch and so there is that level of
where it's this level of like you don't
know what exists out there therefore we
could make whatever the fuck we want up
and that you just still haven't explored
enough of this world and so the problem
which take care man
so we expect some messages so at the end
at the end of the time at the end of the
time I I feel like there is like if you
end that show and that's where I think
maybe Twin Peaks may be fucked up is
where you answer that question and then
just offer nothing else at the
unsurprisingly the ratings just
collapsed and the in the axe the show I
do think the season finales really
awesome well that's partly because David
Lynch was brought back for that right I
gave him like a budget to like alright
here's a budget for like two episodes to
figure shit fix what we made wrong and
then after that just like alright
everyone's clamoring for a sequel series
or a sequel so I'm gonna make a twin
peaks' fire walk with me which is good
to be more of a prequel do not answer
anything that was left by the
cliffhanger that is the original show
finale
so they made a movie now fire walk with
me I never saw that movie I haven't seen
it either oh gosh well it's it's it
functions more it's like a you know I
haven't fucking seen it self seen it
yeah you've seen it
oh we we have an expert luckily brought
online here no no talk about no like an
expert what I'll say is like something
is gonna ask you Joe is like I I don't
remember if it was meant it to be a
prequel if they turn it into a prequel
because Tom McLoughlin pretty much like
refused to be in the movie big time like
he has like he's in the movie for like
like maybe a fourth of it you know he
like he just did not want to be a part
of became such a sour taste his mouth
after the the
the second season of Twin Peaks but he
didn't really want to be the major part
you don't mind the main fucking
character couldn't see wouldn't be the
main fucking heroes the FPS was his car
walk with me like it deals more like the
last few days of war absolutely all
about war Palmer and it's it's a really
tough watch because it's all about
because like we're abuse by her father
yeah they have no content restrictions
like they had on ABC so they can just go
buck wild with like all the rape in
violence it is super surreal is probably
the most surreal film up to this point
you know like it like it cuz like the
the storylines like the timelines don't
really match up it starts off with like
Chris Isaak plays mathematician he's a
he's an FBI agent with someone else
maybe David Lynch I remember but like
they start off investigating who's like
the first girl who's killed the like
connected to Laura Palmer the Twin Peaks
thing I don't remember so like in the
storyline at Twin Peaks like there's two
girls there they're killing raw Rowlett
Polanski or it not only I see I don't
know some other some other girl who's
killed and then Laura Palmer is killed
so the TV show starts with that girl
being killed and then a fire follows
Laura Palmer and basically the abuse
that she goes through the we're Clues
nation she's she's experiencing because
is that really her dad that kills her
it's killer Bob and killer Bob some sort
of beard he was possessed by a spirit
yes and so like she has these weird Lisa
nations from killer Bob and it was like
it is completely invading her brain
while her dad is also raping her at the
same time like possessing Leland Palmer
yes yeah like so I mean it's a really
confusing really ugly tough watch it's
it's that's what I've heard
yeah I mean it's if you're Twin Peaks
like like fan you want to dive into the
mythology it adds more to it and
everything but what I understand
firewalk is probably the most important
bit to watch before leaping into the new
Showtime revival yeah I'll give you more
like context for the mythology but to be
honest I've seen all of it Michael still
doesn't make any sense it gives you
ammunition to go to a chat room if you
wanna go argument strained
so go do that all right well oh no fire
walk with me we can move on yeah well
after fire walk with me and twin peaks
of Lynch and frost continue to try like
cell TV pilots to like networks like HBO
ABC CBS none of them were picked up or
lasted for longer than a season do we
know what any of these TV pilots are
besides Mulholland Drive I actually did
find some um there's one on HBO that was
like an anthology show about a hotel
room essentially oh really yeah like
like room 104 yeah but like the table
inside yeah that's it for three episodes
yeah actually would be pretty amazing
this on HBO I feel like if you're gonna
find it gonna be on HBO because oh it
was bitch to HBO I believe okay well
yeah like after those number of failed
projects of Lynch return to like feature
working released a Lost Highway you've
been talking about a lot about right
yeah the great stepping stone to Bowl
Hollinger so could you explain kind of
like what is the plot points of Lost
Highway plus highway is about a
saxophonist and his girlfriend and they
get mysterious VHS tapes and a plane
manila envelope and so they watch these
tapes and the first tape is like of the
exterior of their house and then they
get another tape and then it's like the
exterior of their house and then inside
of the house and it's like this mystery
that like builds and builds and then
there's like a murder
the last tapes like shows a Bill Pullman
of the lead actor at that well at that
moment like it shows like the camera
shows him like standing over like the
corpse of a Patricia Arquette his wife
so he killed his wife but he's for it
that's up for debate actually again and
then well and then Bill Pullman turns
into this other guy
on death row
he goes to sleep as Bill Pullman in his
cell and then he wakes up and he is as a
24 year old Latino boy wait what yeah
and he gets released and he basically
goes back to work to the auto body shop
and he meets um another person also
played by a Patricia Arquette and they
start a torrid romance because she's
basically like uh like essentially of
the girlfriend of this very violent
mobster who's essentially frankbooth
from blue velvet but seven Lost Highway
oh yeah name is played by Balthazar
Getty Czar Getty is the guy who played
them I don't know what else is he in
I've seen him in any stuff I can't you
see the old guy from big no no no no
you're thinking of the the or like the
fortune tellers like kiosks is like
pompous otherwise okay maybe that's
where I'm making the connection Nick
Nolte played the kid's dad yeah oh no
not no Gary Busey Gary Busey away on
Saturday so it's still fresh in my mind
and Richard Pryor is in this movie right
yeah he played he played a garage like a
car car mechanic in a garage and this is
at work this is after Richard Pryor had
like muscular dystrophy or something he
had some sort of like tomorrow is
something going on screen cocaine and
something I know I owe this man
attention the Patricia Arquette's
titties the whole time be honest
hey this is David Lynch this is highbrow
stop using air about boobs oh wait he
has for the done the gangster also mr.
Eddie also goes by Dick Laurent who is a
porn peddler and Patricia Arquette
stars in many of his movies who may or
may not be of the wife of Bill Pullman
in a very dreamlike
also there's this one mystery man the
whole thing that's just kind of died and
everything along is that the rabbit
person no he's he's Wonder you gotta
talk about this rabbits not Inland
Empire that's a non Empire yeah
we're not there yet yeah I don't know
people have time wait can we skip over
one of these and then we can get let's
skip over to the straight story it seems
like is it it is it a straightforward
story
yah-tchi
old guys goes to see his brother on a
lawnmower and then you see something and
they they get over there make it but we
gotta get to bull holla'd drive yes the
best movie in my mind by David lage
there was almost a TV show yeah it was
originally pitched as a TV show but
there are too many shots of dog poop
well they shot like the pilot for it but
then it wasn't picked up so like all
right I guess I'll just so we working a
little bit I think it into a
feature-length movie and it works
spectacularly and it took all the
strengths of Lost Highway like uh like
the surreal how it like the dark
underbelly of Hollywood on the Mobius
strip as watch structure and one of my
one of my favorite scenes from what
Holland drive is the scene with the
director and the producer and the
producer comes in and like the girl well
well not only that but like this was the
one scene where he's got the espresso
like he's like we got the best espresso
in LA the actor is Angelino beau that
mattelli the composer yeah it's my
favorite it's in my top five favorite
movies of all time so so is that the one
with the actress thing yes not as she
goes there I mean Hollywood she has a
dream of it the first part of the movie
is like oh basically of Laura Linney in
serving the actress look Naomi was no
I'm not the obviou opposite bitch and
she runs into a woman who's like Laura
Harry
like memory so she was in a car accident
she's like Jason Bourne she like wakes
up she doesn't know she's got a bank
counter hip no she just has a she just
has a purse full of like $20,000 that's
driving Jason Bourne right now wakes up
bank counters she was trying to get away
yeah I feel like she lost her memory and
a like in a car accident on Mulholland
Drive like she crawls out of the wreck
and she just kind of wanders down until
she finds essentially Naomi Watts his
aunt's apartment right what like the
aunt is leaving so if the engine just
finds the apartment perfectly fine well
she's just kind of wandering and she
sees people like moving stuff in and out
of an apartment like one that she waits
behind a bush and when they leave for
the final time she just sneaks in and
then Naomi Watts comes in later it's
like Hudson like I'm from Canada I am
here to become an actress live a mile
and is let her play she's so lucky in
the beginning yet but she's like what is
she she's Betty in the first place yeah
she's better at the first and Betty is
so plucky and Knight yeah I've been like
a girl from a small town ray just to
make it big in Hollywood
yeah then like they decide like you know
like she mistakes uh um Laura herring is
like her aunt's friend and then like oh
you're not actually friends who are you
it's like I don't know I just call
myself Rita because there's a poster of
Rita Hayworth on the wall so she so she
usual suspect it at the entire time kind
of well I mean like it worried the
posters from look like they were her
name I was in a quiet group back in
college but then they have work together
to try to find out like where like Rita
came from right and they had Nepal you
love wait the two of the two women fell
yes there's a lot of lesbian sex in this
movie
there's also a lot of tips in the movies
one really incredible legend obscene
you had me at its yes there are almost
no it's worth watching this movie just
lesbian sex scene that's how I got
introduced to yeah that's how you got
introduced the David Lynch I was
fourteen years old except when you get
to the scene just masturbating while
sobbing yeah that's like after all like
think basically like they find this blue
box they line up blue box
yeah they turn the key and then like
basically just the kind of appliances
town like it kind of starts over always
well I mean the first two-thirds the
movie are a dream it could be a dream or
it could be like a dying fantasy or it
could I don't know it's a lot we all
don't know what it is there's also the
bit where Naomi Watts his grandparents
turn into like Diane Selwyn the movie is
super trippy and weird where you might
be getting the actual yeah that also
leads into the first like the first part
of the movie like the events are like
the last third like loop back into the
beginning dream portion if it is a dream
so wait are you saying their leg well
cuz like two-thirds could be like you
only get dying give us you said like
after season
suit yourself well thanks thanks for
having me guys she was like recycling
out any final plugs you want to put out
there right now I mean like I said
before if you haven't seen David Lynch
check out blue Velvets check out dune
check out Lost Highway they're all
fantastic films and if you want to see
my work if you go to vimeo.com slash
Bridgeport foam Club a bunch of my short
films are up there
sorry Lance whoo
and here comes the wrecking ball no no
Logan himself yes bulk bogan himself I'm
also trying not to be fully distracted
right now I'm another thing they're
gonna they were up by water shut your
goddamn mouth there's 20 seconds left I
don't care but 20 seconds we'll play for
now hey dudes
do you have let's party hey oh yeah -
paps blue ribbons right there well I
have one and a quarter so is that your
backup that's your emergency perhaps you
pulled out that's the sequel
he's been awaited it is well known
that's - that blue ribbon day that Joe
brings along emergency PBR with him
everywhere he goes and i-4 emergency the
vitamin C powder into them for added
health benefits does it actually throw
off the shittiness of drinking no helmet
and even more so it makes it worse for
you actually yeah it was a it was rough
well what's the what's the haps oh yeah
what's it we are so look at David Lynch
specifically bucolic Drive yes the most
terrifying scene in the history of good
god I mean and all that men we're all
grown men here theoretically but I
almost shit myself oh yeah but when the
guy shows up behind the diner by the way
that guy is played by a woman the one
who plays
no way yeah yeah so wait wait can you
describe so basically a lot broad
Mulholland Drive there are a lot of like
little vignettes that time of like of
life around LA which guy that would have
find out more if there's been actual
series and in this see it's like a two
men meet at this diner called Winkies
and one of them is like all right I
thought I asked you to come here because
be honest I have had a reoccurring dream
about being here at Winkies a nightmare
and yeah like you're here I'm here like
you're there I'm here but then there's
this monster behind the restaurant I I'm
hoping that you can be here with me to
confront my fear the show that the
monster isn't there but they go back
behind Winkies and the monsters there
what's the monster a very disturbing
looking homeless man it's like almost
looks like they've been tarred and
feathered but in Reverse like they got
feathered and tarred like they're a you
can really only see his teeth even
though they're sort of like it's hard I
don't know it I thought that it was the
actor from oh yeah yeah very Mike scene
cuz like he appears like all sound touch
sound like the met like the man had the
dream like he basically just dies there
from a heart attack yeah and the monster
doesn't like walk out or he may scatter
really yeah gliding right it's a
slippery homeless man so my favorite
scene enough my favorite animal Halle
drive the club Silencio yeah great let's
go
hey everything its deluge there is no
you know there is eclipse at Club
Silencio in Paris Milwaukee just
Monica's just where we're podcasting
from no wait no where are we filling
from we are we from we're gonna go to
club Silencio in Paris are we gotta find
that nightmare
surreal nightclub yeah I think it's very
posh very expensive and I want to go
yeah it sounds well and club cilenti was
amazing I my favorite part Mahon drive
is like those series of scenes when
Diane wakes up and she's home alone and
it skips from her being like depressed
to imagining Rita's there to flashing
back to like when they're having sex and
going to the scene where she starts like
depressingly masturbating yeah it's like
it's like a really well done it there's
never been any overjoyed masturbation
that's ever taken place like oh boy
can't wait to get home perhaps I could
do this myself
take matters into my own hands left so
we should promise pains me we should
move on dad we got sure you were getting
a full two hours god damn right we are
more David Lynch than your body has room
for you really have a watch David
Lynch's movies until you just sit down
just baked out of your mind and the
lights are off I said you gave up on
drugs this was back in college
Oh is your back in y'all back in your
real days that's when I back when you
are a real bean boys like you're like my
old awakened baked beans
Oh God do you wait to make to watch
Inland Empire as I've ever seen I've
never seen in Lindon pyre but like I
have awaked and baked and just like
smoked to date balls in a blunt and then
watched Eraserhead
yeah that sounds terrifying that it was
it was Sid experience I imagine so
I've never liked movies hi the Inland
Empire yeah the last movie by the last
movie I actually see two thousand
sailors from our previous conversation
the locomotion yes the locomotion yes
describe the plot in the vampire
everybody's doing the brand-new dance
now CG you see an inch of the locomotion
what I heard like of the premise of
Inland Empire it's a lot like persona
and wait has anyone seen this movie yes
but I don't remember shit from it except
is filmed when TV and it looks at yeah
felt another camcorder yeah there's a
great dance scene where there's a bunch
of looks like almost like a sorority
house dancing to the locomotion and I'm
afraid this is the extent of my
knowledge of this film my notes here
Justin essentially like I it's about
like um laura dern she is an actress and
she starts dancing part right yeah but
also a very frequent Lynch collaborator
but like essentially she is an actress
and she is she is a she starts up like
way she is an actress playing an actress
yes as an actor typecasting over the
course of the movie barely cheating can
I finish
sure all right do you feel in charge do
you do you Joe do you feel and just
gives you power
you see you're going more alien than you
are going bein right now alien like it
like not not that one with shooting yeah
like an actual like yeah see
yeah not the actual start shutting off
your mics yeah basically shut up in my
gone care laura dern like she is an
actress and she gets this role but she
starts loose losing herself into the
role so much that she can't she's no
longer able to recognize where her
personality ends and where her
characters begins so she does uh what's
his name it sounds very personal to ask
I have three oil refineries this is my
son and partner HW we run a family
business
Bastin in the basket you're just the
after verse anyway alright we're fucking
on a runway so laura dern does method
acting and Inland Empire yeah by the
sounds of it okay not quite oh no I if
we did end the podcast on it no right no
joke I'm 13 years old that's just cold
cuts right there at least through the
movies and we have at least largely
covered the TV efforts well there are
stuff between will Holland Drive and
Inland Empire that I thought we should
also address though basically Lynch also
got really into backing web series web
series yeah he started like in 2002 he
made two web series um Tom bland and
rabbits I've watched the first two or
three episodes of both and they are
weird that's how weird
lobbying they use footage of rabbits in
Inland Empire
and whereas dumpling seems very juvenile
like if it did have david lynch's
credits on it i would not have thought
of it as by him I'm interested to know
from each of you what is a project that
you would like to have seen you know
like something that already exists but
if you could go back and be like you
know I now David is in charge of this
David Lynch what about like a project in
the future like that he could make now
like I would like to see him do
Beetlejuice well that would be I want to
see him make it Doctor Strange movie
look at me now would actually interest
that actually was a pretty dope I I
think he has some pre the big fucking
Marvel budget like you'd still have to
rein in a bit but they're like we know
what you like what they do without
what's his name tag YTD yeah okay do
your do your same style we have this
lens we have this playground it wants
you to exist in but we are gonna give
you so much fucking money to make it
your way kind of do it no it'd be
awesome see as imagination go wild or
something like that I was gonna say III
think he has some pretty strong
Hitchcock vibes it'd be cool to see him
do something Hitchcockian or one of his
track films like like strangers on a
train
or you know something like Panza go like
I mean like I know that's a venture
thing but like to see like what David
Lynch with like the the weird like
psychological undercurrents he bring to
those things cuz like Hitchcock came to
them but he couldn't really say that
much because it's like back in the
fifties so if you took one of those
things have remade it that'd be pretty
but I think as of now he's gonna be
stuck working I think I would really
like to see him to redo the live-action
scooby-doo movie James Gunn's original
ideas for the live-action scooby-doo
movie as apparently it was gonna be
rated pg-13 or R Wayne who like the
original like a live-action movie yeah
and it's like written by James Gunn okay
that would been crazy yeah that was good
fun though yeah well how do you think
you would have handled the rocky
franchise I don't know that that
franchise is unsalvageable
the air the water salvaged it to be
honest
could that remove its charm what I'm
just trying to imagine Sylvester and
David Lynch trying to that you know
they're actually play so a giant worm
comes through the ring they were I don't
know it would take a speech and they
played backwards you actually find that
so us they're still it's been speaking
in code the entire time like please like
children are trapped in a basement
please help them do this I don't want to
I'm tired
Denise someone help me now here's one
question I want to ask you guys final
question before we final question that's
it which of these movies on a scale of
fine to forever alone would be like the
best out of first date wait which one
you think would be the best to make a
woman leave or the big women to stay
well I was originally issued like we go
through the movies we ranked them from
like find a forever alone but I don't
think a lot of time so she's the one
that would mean by fine like generally
okay and bez and well like borrowing
like the like say if you like go on a
first date with a woman who actually
turns out to be a big or David Lynch fan
like someone who's just like see first
off the street I bet you just errands
but as a woman on the street what movie
would you take me to horrible is the
greater pain is the goal to horrify him
and make him go enjoy a him or her don't
assume my pronouns do I went up where I
identify as an Apache attack I want to
seduce Aaron and get him whatever right
it's your prerogative whatever you want
my prerogative is I'm
and I'm gonna just save Mahal and drive
I guess a for fine and we go straight
story yeah
just for that way get some cry of
leaning on your shoulder yeah I think
Mulholland Drive would you raise your
head arrange there had to get rid of
them yes because actually a fun game for
like seeing like how a date is going
like if like the first 30 minutes that
you see it is like okay is this good do
I want to actually be with this person
he pull a stranger then she pulls that
some sort of story of like ah now if
she's and I kiss hey any political here
something awful like okay we're gonna
put under raised her head instead gonna
scare them away
and then we watch a racer with Arnold
Schwarzenegger guys at this point in
time I know we've been getting it as
David Lynch but we've got to close this
guy off right now the first episode of
our creator showcase series yes now to
see thought it was pretty successful man
I learned a lot about this David Lynch
surreal well real Americana will take
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next week when we're gonna be going into
for those who are kind of watching we're
gonna be talking about Joe correct never
on the golden age of television but
we're gonna well know that we're talking
HBO just talking HBO only yeah we okay
just like the golden age of television
is just oh yeah there's a lot of HBO
stuff that factors into the Golden Age
of TV both like that's just a very broad
thing whereas HBO actually narrows it
down so we're just joking like the
history of the channel or just all their
original series in both it's titled HBO
we'll be hitting on all points and I'm
still working on the outline so be owner
HB owner thank you for that to Dale so
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