Both the Democratic and Republican national
conventions have now come and gone. While
media coverage is swarming with images of
protests turned violent, what impact has the
conventions, or these conventions, what have
they had on the presidential race? I've got
David Lamb, one of the best people in the
business to tell us that. David I'm looking
at the Trump show, otherwise known as Republican
national convention. It's in the books.
It is.
Democratic convention in the books, we've
talked about that already. Did the president
get any sort of bump from, from that show?
Neither candidate actually got very much of
a bump in this. I've got a, a morning consult
poll taken after the Republican national conventions
and now both conventions are in the book.
There's just been a little bit of a movement
in the president's direction. What I would
warn against Pap, at this point a couple of
months out, is paying attention to these national
polls. The, the, the discussion points. What,
what are the, what are the messages that the
debates and the discussions are framed around
and who do those, who's, who gains the advantage
there? You were talking earlier about the
Nixonland. I would advise our viewers to go
back six weeks whenever you called this playbook,
it's the law and order playbook. You've predicted
it a couple of months ago. It has, it is in
action right now. That is what is happening.
If there, if there were a drinking game, every
time Trump said law and order, we would all
be hammered.
Well, look at his ads. You know, Rick Perlstein,
I, you know, the reason I think Nixonland
and the people that, that attack this idea,
they need to read the book before they attack
the idea.
Yeah.
But Richard Perlstein's brilliant and he wrote
this book and he said, look, what, what happens
when you take chaos, when you take chaos and
you make it work for your talking points,
there's nobody better than Karl Rove.
Right.
He learned under Lee Atwater.
Right.
Lee Atwater learned under Donald Segretti.
These are all Nixon people. And they know
how to take things like Kenosha and Portland
and Seattle and Chicago and New York and Antifa.
They know how to take all that and turn it
into something that scares the bejesus out
of people. Are polls showing that that's probably
taking place?
Polls are showing movement in terms of, the
suburban voters this election are, everyone's
going after those undecided, more independent,
more moderate if you will, suburban voters,
that's where folks are going. Trump got them
in 2016, there's a battle for them today.
What are those suburban voters? What's, what's
causing that movement? As the discussion switches
and kind of pivots from the Coronavirus to,
to your safety, to law and order, to justice
and the, and the protests are, are framed
more as, as anarchists. And, and the violence
and the fires and the looting.
It didn't, it didn't start out like that.
It didn't.
And now, where is it? How, how has that regarded?
The looters, they're not, they're not called
protesters anymore. They're called rioters.
Yeah.
They're the, the stories are people shooting.
I saw a headline today where they talked about
the police officer was shot in back of the
head by a protester.
Right.
That was a rioter.
Right.
Died.
Yeah.
And so they're seeing these kinds of stories
every day. And the numbers you believe are
tapping into that?
They are, there is movement there. They're,
Trump is seen as more decisive and more, more
of a stronger leader in that sense. Biden
is seen as weak. The basement strategy is
coming back to bite him because it seems as
though he's either, and this is the view with,
with many of the voters, he's either avoiding
Trump or he's avoiding the controversy and
calling out and, and, and being a decisive
leader the, the president of the United States
has to be. Whenever this, whenever the discussion
is on law and order on, on rioting and looting,
Trump wins.
The poll, you're talking about the poll?
The polls.
Okay.
Trump, Trump wins. It's leaning that way.
Just pay attention to what the national debate
is. If the national debate is on the Coronavirus,
Trump loses. But you notice in the Republican
national convention, there wasn't a great
deal even said about the Coronavirus.
Yeah. Or, or even, you know, if you, if you
take a look, you take a look as this is developing,
the, their, the Democrats have lost the ground
about we can do better, even though the sitting
president.
Yes.
He's a sitting president while Kenosha and.
Right.
And, and Seattle and all this is taking place.
That's weird. I mean, if you think about it,
the first time I considered whether or not
the Nixonland theory had, had application
here, I would always say, you know what, I
don't know that it does because we have a
sitting president that's here while it's going
on. It doesn't seem to matter, does it?
It does not seem to matter. And, and it has
it's so, I mean, that prediction on your part
is now so nascent, because the debate now
is Joe Biden and the Democrats are, are that,
being able to make that claim from the white
house in the middle of your first term, it
is somehow some way, it's finding footing.
That the Democrats are responsible.
Right.
And why is that happening? Well, you got Kamala
Harris out there saying police office, this
is, these are headlines coming from this,
this is right out of today's newspaper. I
mean, not of newspapers, but out of the, you
know, the Breitbarts and the Daily Caller
and the Drudge. People don't understand how
those headlines affect middle America. These
headlines, Kamala Harris, police officers
have to face the consequences. I mean, really?
She's saying that during a time people getting
shot, police officer just died yesterday.
And that's her headline?
Tone deaf.
Or, or Biden blaming the police for violence
and rioting.
They're tone deaf.
And so it is, they're completely tone deaf.
They are.
It's like you've got a bunch of snowflakes
running the narratives for the Democrats.
I was telling Farron Cousins earlier, it's
like celebrities are in charge of what the
narrative is now. It's MSNBC and CNN and even
Fox, they believe they can turn the tide,
they can't. We see that they can't because
they've tried. We believe that the, the, the,
the celebrity night comedy shows are going
to turn the tide. It's not working. What's
your take?
I'm curious for your take on this, how, who's
running the show in the Biden camp?
Yeah. That's the problem.
Because I don't think Joe Biden is.
That is, that is the problem. There really
is nobody running the show. You have people
that are sitting in various places telling,
James Carville great example. Do you, you
realize Carville six weeks ago said that all
Biden has to do is sit in the cellar and he's
going to win.
Well that's terrible advice.
I mean, the numbers are show, making Carville
look like an idiot.
They are.
And so now Biden has come out of the cellar.
How's he doing?
Well right now, he, he has to emerge as a
leader, as strong, as decisive. But the problem
is.
He doesn't project that.
He doesn't project that and, and in a 24 hour
span, after he makes a statement, 24 hours
later, his comments are forgotten. So something,
he is either not believable by the, by the
voter, or his message is so confusing and
so muddled that you don't even know what exactly
just happened after, after a press conference.
While he was in the cellar, he could read
a teleprompter.
Right.
Now he's out there yesterday, he gives some
comment about COVID. I swear to God, I don't
know what he said.
Yeah.
And it was all over the headlines today. The,
you know, the dementia of Joe Biden.
Right.
Look, somebody has got to, it's like home
alone for the Democrats. Somebody has to take
control of the party.
And now the race is on to the debates. That's
what is up next. The, the debates where he
will stand toe to toe with Trump and he's.
He has to show.
Biden's got, he's got to make the case.
He has, he has to show up.
Yeah, he does.
Thank you for joining me. Okay.
Thank you.
David, I want to follow this very closely
as weeks, as weeks get close.
Look forward to it.
Thanks for joining me.
