Listen I I was this that well
Actually, I'll tell you something that happened and I brought this just to show you and you have a little what is that?
It's a Kindle, okay
Are you allowed to have those in there?
no, really, you can't have a Kindle and I didn't know why I
Didn't know why
What happened? Is this David gave me this Kindle and I'm like Shh
And the security guards were doing they're not trying to get it away from me
but they wouldn't come in strong army because David is
The man so David gave it to you and the security guards are trying to take it away from you. Why?
Okay, I didn't know did you tell him it was loaded up with l ron hubbard books. Well it was
It was his fiction books that he put in her family filled earth
No, not Battlefield Earth Norman earth, but the other earlier fictional, okay, which I thought was pretty interesting
But anyway, they're trying to get this as a fuck you man. They gave me this is mine, you know. Okay, Ron did back off
now one day I'm
Reading something and there's a feature on here where you see this
Is the camera on that now? Yeah, okay. You see this little
Switch here. Mm-hmm that goes this way this way up down. Okay and in
So if you got a word that you'd like to look up and get the meaning of
You go to the library or not the library the dictionary
And you'd select the ward and press it to the right and it would say
search store I
Accidentally held it a little bit too long and it went right past
Search start to Google. I was on the internet with no filter
was your Kindle with my Kindle I what the fuck is this even know about the Google back then I
Knew about the Google but there was filter on all there
You to go through it with there's no filter on this why that's why the security guards were trying to get it
But they wouldn't tell me that obviously. They're not gonna say well there's no filter so you can get on the Internet. I mean
These guys weren't that Swift there aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer
But but how did they know that how they know about that thing?
They're the ones who if you get a computer that you give it to them
They put a filter on it then I give it back to you
Okay, so there's another guy from techno geeks - I don't know how to do that shit
But they had never done that to the Kindle, but they wanted to oh they wanted to take it away
Google and stuff with your Kindle I looked at Google now
This first time I told this story about like Joe's is an exclusive, you know
Excited. Yeah, well, I'll tell you one of the things I looked at was like l ron Hubbard's war record. He was not a hero
He didn't have two Purple Hearts. He's a fucking made-up story. Yeah, and there was a girl named Annie Kidman
Who was with l ron hubbard when he died?
Annie Tippmann was a
Messenger with l ron hubbard since she was a little girl and she was with him when he actually died
So Annie was a long-term
loyal Scientologist
She's at the base where I lived in Hamilton and she got lung cancer
So they sent her to Los Angeles
To get care and they sent a girl down to be like a personal servant to take care of her needs so she'd be okay
So occasionally I would say to Martine who was the medical liaison officer
In other words, she took care of our health and she'd have us go to the doctors and stuff. I said Martine
How is anything Oh Ronnie, she's doing great. Yeah. Okay good
I'm on a Kindle she died six months earlier
Never told anybody on the base now. We're living in these apartments on the base. Is it several days later? And
There was a building called the laundry room where you took your clothes to get cleaned and pressed you picked up sheets
Little amenities like that and there's two girls
Outside the laundry room and they said Ronnie. Would you want to chip in for a birthday present for Annie? I?
Said now I'm gonna pass on it now. Is that Jesus Christ?
They either know and they're keeping up the ruse or they don't know and they're being used
as
My jaws
Shields to make sure make sure people think she's still alive, right? Well, that was a major thing for me
I then started to think I gotta get out of here mind you I thought earlier
things were starting to go south and we would have I
Give you an example. Here's what happened. We're on the ship and we're playing for a show at one of these maiden voyages
anniversary things and we have a guy there who's
No, he's not a rap artist, but he's like a beatbox, you know
You know, he News's 4. Yeah. Yeah like that
Yeah, so now dougies up there and then he starts saying, you know, he's out there
My kid was picked up by the cops yesterday, but he's not really a bad kid
You know
He's hanging out with the wrong guys and blah blah blah and he's all saying this shit that you don't say to this exclusive audience
David hears that
To handle this me and the rest of the band were sent to work in the bilges on the ship
Because he fucked up we paid the price what I should have done
was kicked in the band because I was directing the band kicked in the band and start playing in music and
drowned them out
You're going to build the temperature down. There's between 125 and 130 degrees. I'm in my 60s. It doesn't matter
Shit like that would go on so when things like that would happen at that man
We can't live this way. But my wife Becky she is an eternal optimist. She would always say run. It's gonna get better
It can't keep on going this way. And I'd say Becky. Listen, if you see a boulder rodent rolling down a mountain that
Boulder is not going to stop and start rolling up. It's gonna get worse if things are going bad
They have a tendency to continue going bad. You had to plot some sort of an out
So you had to think about it and then you had to work with the wife and you guys had to like hush hush
Right and you asked me what led to that? Well, there's one major thing that led to it and that was this
We got a new music director. I didn't want to have the post anymore. I was gettin old and got this young guy and
I would right melodies
All day all week
Months every melody I ever wrote was rejected by him in other words
Everything I was doing was a piece of shit
But I couldn't quit saying this new guy was not fun to work with
Terrible it was terrible yet
Listen, I was the only one who had gotten a recording contract on my own steam. Nobody gave it to me
I didn't ever rich daddy or something a
contract with chapel's publishing for my writing and
Asked that to play on the BBC
Nobody had achieved that in that department now
Maybe my skills weren't up to how they write modern music and I used to beg him
I said listen, what do you want as an acceptable particle? I'm a trained musician
Let me give me some ideas what you want and I'll start right now fuck you learn it
Just like I didn't this is I was treated. Well, does this sound like a fun time?
So shall we bring back your son and say hey kid. Listen, it's fucking new guy sucks. Wait a man
I did that. I called him and I wrote them
I said Dave you got to get together with me, right?
So we got together and I said look, I'm working all day long and nothing I'm doing is being approved
You've got to get me a different job
I said I don't care if you have me a job waxing cars and motor pool
But I want to do some sore at the end of the day. You can say here's what he did. Okay? All right
Okay, he says I'll look into it. He never looked into it couple months later
I said that Becky look we're getting the fuck out of here. Then we started planning
So what was your plan as far as like getting a job cuz you had been working there for 25 years
Well, I'm a I'm a good musician
I'm not just a punk. I mean, I played quite a bit of jobs in Milwaukee. So you had skill skill
judgment, you know I also
Here's how I look okay, I'm 76 years old. I want to spend them on rest of my life
Suffering out every day. Fuck this shit. I'm getting out of here. Right and Becky finally says, okay and
She saw the writing on the wall that it wasn't gonna get better, right? So now
We don't want to leave and leave everything behind because what little possessions we had was what we had. All right
So we started
My by the way, I mentioned a little earlier that my daughter sent me 75 gifts gifts. Oh no 75th birthday, right? Yeah
Becky came up with the idea. My mother is gonna celebrate by the way
My wife is younger than me my first wife I divorced him and married a much younger woman
So her mother is gonna have her 70th birthday. So we decided to send her mother 70 gifts
Now in order to do this, it has to go through the security guards
So we would send her like a detailing kid for a car. I mean her chances of detailing a car as a gift
Or nil to none but they saw that okay, we're sending her 70 gifts so it got through them. Mm-hmm
We sent him senator our life l ron Hubbard library books that we had
Some other things and we got a lot of stuff out of there that I couldn't fit in a car when we were going. Ah,
He said I'm saying
smart and
then
After all was said and done we got everything out of there
We plotted it out and I did this on Sunday mornings on Sunday mornings you had breakfast at nine o'clock
now
We lived on the southern side of the base and we lived in
Rooms, you couldn't have a refrigerator. You couldn't have a coffeemaker there
But across the street on the north side, I worked in a studio
There was a refrigerator there and ice to keep like Italian salami, maybe super SOT
some Parmesan cheese romano cheese
So early Sunday morning at nine o'clock and I planned this out because there's two gates
There's one main gate where there's a security guard sitting in a booth and in down the road about 200 yards
there's another gate where there's a little camera and they see you coming and
They got used to me going across to the north side to go to the studio
And I'd come back through the main gate and bring the security guards a piece of cheese or salami
So they thought ate the Sunday morning. He's going to get his goodies
In other words, I'm feeding the watchdogs this set up. Right, right
So comes the day we're gonna leave March 25th in 2012
We get up real early and I had a little notebook
I must have checked it 20 times what I wanted to take what I wanted to leave behind
like the night before and by the way
my biggest cover on being able to get out of there was the fact that I was
76 years old and I was the father of the chairman of the board
Nobody would suspect that I was gonna leave unauthorised like all right, okay
Psalm out with the mesh bag full of shoes putting in the car
And one of the security guards came by on his bicycle an Italian guy Sal
Hey Ronny, how you doing? That good, you know and he sees me putting this in but he justifies it in his mind
He'll he's putting stuff in his car. Brian doesn't think twice while doing it. Of course another guys coming by an old time Scientologists
I have a bag of clothes. I'm putting in the car Ronnie. How's it going? Good deal norm. Yeah
All right, you know put it in the car so we got through all that. Okay. So now
Sunday morning
9 o'clock we get in the car
We're loaded up and we're driving down to get to that second gate is about a half mile down the road
we go there and I'm going past our
Mess hall where we would eat and this is called massacre Canyon Inn or MCI
It's where the crew would eat their meals and I see the chase car like on Sunday morning
There's only two security guards on duty
one is in the main booth and the end or the other one is in a car so he can Rove and
It's called a chase car. Okay, so the chase car is parked outside of the mess hall. I knew Sal was in there
So I go around another under yards down the road get to the gate
And by the way at this point, my heart is in my throat. All right
Because if a when I hit that buzzer
If you're gonna would have said come up to the booth. That was it. I was fucked
Okay hit the buzzer didn't say anything the gate opens. I
Pulled out of the gas Becky were turning left
so I turned 11 jam the throttle and I knew I had to make it them that he's
There's three roads one goes to route 60 straight ahead. Rather
The other one goes to route 10 and if I turn left they go into Hamlet
I knew by the time
I'm going down the road and he would be on trying to get me in the next he'll run
What the hell are you doing? They need called Sal Sal get up to the booth pronto
I know shell would have to run out get in the car
I'd already be at those crossroads or the tree roads so I knew insel came he'd either turn right or go straight ahead
I turned left went and a Hammett. We hit the boondocks and I was free Wow
So, what did you do then we drove to Wisconsin. Did you have money on you?
Yeah, I had money on me and I paid I paid for everything cash Joe you only get 50 bucks a week
How long did you save money?
While I was also getting Social Security, so I would salt that away
All right, very low amount by the way because right cuz much money. Yeah, it's just bullshit, right?
But anyway, I paid for gas would cash we ate for cash
We stayed in a motel two nights at paid cash cuz you couldn't use your credit cards too. They build attractive exactly
So when you finally surfaced
Haja surface. I went to her mother's place and
Then what happens on this do they try to get you? Yeah. Well, here's what happens. No, believe me
Do they try to bring you back? No look a
Misunderstanding. Oh
Here's how it went about two weeks. Later
We're sitting in her mother's house and it's a split-level where there's an upstairs and downstairs in the kitchen
The window was almost level with the ground, you know how it all goes and I'm looking out the window
We're having breakfast coffee and I see his girl outside Marian
Fuck. Okay, they found me. So I went through the garage outside and there's Greg Wolfe hair
And he says ah, Ronnie, I guess you're surprised it took us so long to get here. Ha ha ha
We thought you're gonna go to Laurie's place. We never thought you'd come here. Ha ha like nothing happened. You know, right?
So she's okay. So I said Greg. Listen, you just wasting your time. I'm not going back
And he says run I said, hey, I don't want to live that life, man
It was a terrible fucking life. I'm not doing it again
He says you blew that's a term to use if you leave without authorization and he pulled out this policy
it's called leaving in leaves and what it says evening in leaves leaving and
leaves that's name of it and what it says in there substantially is this
The only reason a person leaves a group is because they have committed
Harmful acts against the group and they want to remove themselves
So they don't keep on committing harmful action against the group. How convenient
No shit, you can't just leave because you want to leave you have to be like the fact that you know
You're working maybe 12 14 16 hours a day. Sometimes not going to sleep for three days
You got that raise 250 bucks a week. I shouldn't have done it. It's a nice raise
So you you wouldn't you do then when they you say you're not going back well they try to convince me and it
Got to the point is you guys you're wasting your time
I am NOT going back and I went in town and I saw him a couple times and faces. Come on
We'll take out to a nice place to eat
We'll take you to a movie like they're gonna schmooze me into going back to live that life
Greg says to me. Ronnie. Look you can go to flag. You'll have your own apartment
you have a kitchen we know you like to cook and
Then you can train some of the guys how to sell you can play with the band down there
Greg you out of your fucking mind you get me down there. It's gonna be the same thing. No, it won't running
and went on
So do you think they were just trying to bullshit you like one nothing?
I think absolutely they so if you got there, there'd be no apartment. They punish you write out a knowledge report
You can't do this. Yeah, why do they want you to stay?
Why don't they give a fuck if you leave that because I would be what they consider to be a sensitive particle like these guys
Intolerable a pearl. Here's what I mean by that
Like Dwayne Powell and Daniel Powell. Well, I was a father of the chairman of the board, right? That's a blight. I mean
Did you ever talk to your son after this? I?
Tried to call him once I tried to call him after I found out the pies were
Following me and after I heard that he got on the phone and said if he dies let him die don't intervene
Don't do anything. This is what you heard right you can do to you youth is on hoarding don't yeah
Absolutely, Tony Ortega underground bunker. You can hear these interviews. Ok
Ok, there is because you're gonna get but you don't hear his actual words
No, okay. So I see no reason that this guy would make up that story because people do make things up, right?
Well, okay, let's put it this playing devil's advocate. You can play devil's advocate
The father was interrogated to begin with he told the same story
The son came in later didn't have a chance to talk to his father told the same story. Okay?
