We're going to take a walk to 
the disturbing dark
side of Darwin in this special 
edition
of Genesis Week.
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I'm your
host, Ian Juby
We are going to depart from our 
standard show
format today, in fact we will 
depart from our
standard format for two special 
episodes. We are
going to venture into areas 
which I know that my
evolutionary friends do not like
to venture into.
To be honest, I do not like to 
discuss the things
we are about the discuss either!
But it is
sadly important. 
The anti creationists will 
vehemently try to deny
the connections we are about to 
reveal, and in
fact, they will attempt to twist
around these dark
issues in a convoluted attempt 
to blame the
Christians and Creationists.
We are going to visit the dark 
side of Darwinism.
We will reveal and examine the 
negative impact this
theory has on everything from 
social issues, to
proper medical and scientific 
research. 
I want to be very clear to 
evolutionary friends: I
am not saying that believing in 
evolution makes one
evil. On the contrary, it is the
human heart which
is inherently evil, not a 
person's particular
worldview. There have been many 
attrocities carried
out in the name of Christ for 
example. That has
nothing to do with whether or 
not the Christian
faith is righteous or correct. 
People will use any
excuse at hand to justify wicked
deeds. 
But as Richard Weaver once said,
"Ideas have
consequences." So just what are 
the consequences of
Darwin's idea? What are the 
consequences of
Creationary and Christian ideas?
If a person goes on a shooting 
rampage, and claims
that Jesus Christ told them to 
do it, they would
find difficulty justifying their
claim, seeing as
how Christ certainly did not 
lead with
such an example, and Jesus even 
taught to "turn the
other cheek" when someone 
strikes you. However, if
evolution and survival of the 
fittest is true, then
such a person can easily justify
their actions -
after all, it is only "survival 
of the fittest." We
are only animals - and whether 
or not an animal
uses tooth and claw to kill 
another animal, or if
that animal uses a gun to kill, 
what difference
does it make? Within the 
Darwinian paradigm, how is
mass murder then wrong? Your 
worldview has
consequences. The truth about 
creation or
evolution has consequences.
If you think that my connection 
is a stretch, then
you should be reminded, or 
informed, of precisely
what mass murderers have said. 
Eric Harris and
Derek Klebold went on a shooting
rampage at
Columbine high school in 1999. 
Eric was wearing a
shirt with big bold letters 
spelling out the motto
of Darwin: "Natural selection" 
On his website, he
had written the words 
In 2007, Pekka-Eric Auvinen went
on a shooting
rampage at a high school in 
Finland. Again, he was
quite clear about his reasoning 
on his YouTube
channel and various blogs, with 
unambiguous
language referring to 
evolutionism, and its
conclusions:
And if evolution is a fact and 
true, you would hard
pressed to argue with their 
reasoning. Because your
arguments would be without 
foundation. These are
the ultimate conclusions of the 
process
of evolution.
The notorious mass murderer and 
cannibal, Jeffrey
Dahmer said in an interview with
Dateline NBC: 
But mass murderers aside, an 
evolutionary worldview
probably affects you, 
personally, in ways you did
not even comprehend.
To shed light in this 
disturbingly dark area, I am
privileged to have several 
guests join me today.
Joseph Vaillancourt is a 
licensed minister with the
Pentecostal Assemblies of 
Canada, a developmental
service worker working with 
Christian Horizons, and
the founder of enABLE Faith 
Ministries in Toronto,
a ministry reaching out to those
of the disabled
community to foster their 
involvement within the
Christian community and in 
ministry. He joins me
via skype from Toronto.
Dr. Jerry Bergman's curriculum 
vitae would be far
too long to list here, but he 
has 9 degrees in
everything from biology to 
psychology, two of those
degrees are a Phd. He is the 
author of the book
"The Dark Side of Darwin," and 
is himself a former
atheist now turned young earth 
creationist and
Christian. He has taught 
multiple disciplines at
the college level and joins me 
by
telephone from Ohio.
Paul Gosselin is an independent 
researcher
specializing in ideologies,
belief systems and religion and 
holds a Masters
degree in Social Anthropology. 
He is author of the
two volume series that I think 
was just so
excellently entitled "Flight 
from the Absolute." He
joins us via skype from Quebec 
City.
Joseph I would like to start 
with you:
What is Eugenics?
Eugenics is the self-direction 
of human evolution.
The goal is to remove unwanted 
genetic information,
in order to create a more 
perfect race, if you
well. It's a very old idea, 
Plato talked about it
in his "Republic," as well as 
the laws of Plato -
there is the idea of a superior 
race is there,
Plato was quite dismayed at the 
fact that he had to
create laws for those they 
deemed the superior
race, which would be usually the
people who
belonged to his community who 
saw themselves as
children of the gods. So the 
"children of the gods"
were supposed to be the "perfect
race," shouldn't
have to have laws, so he was 
kind of dismayed about
that. They also had a concept of
"physionomics,"
it's the study of bodily or 
outer characteristics
to discover inner 
characteristics, temperament and
character, uh, basically, 
according to Amos Young
whose quoted definition I'm 
using here, they looked
at human beings and based on 
where they lived in
the world, what race they were, 
how they looked -
whether they were short, tall, 
blind, deaf, or if
they had a disfigurement. It was
supposed to
symbolize some sort of character
or spiritual
problem in their lives, uh some 
of this still kind
of lingers, and you see that a 
lot in Darwinism and
people who are influenced by 
Darwinism will have
that -even though they may not 
realize that's where
this is coming from. For 
example; Reverend Oscar
Bishop, or Tommy Douglas, which 
most Canadians will
know is the founder of our 
personal health care
system, they were heavy eugenics
people, and uh
Oscar Bishop for example, he won
a contest in 1928,
he won a contest that was 
sponsored by the Eugenics
society in the United States - 
they did these every
year, and they got published in 
the Eugenics
magazines. And he - Oscar 
Bishop, he actually said
- this is from his sermon that 
was in the contest,
he said  
- so not 
even a Biblical
foundation was his interest, he 
was heavily
involved with the Unions, and 
some of the groups he
was involved with were known to 
be violent,
although his church didn't 
always approve, his
church in Chicago was called the
"Plymouth
Presbyterian," and he knew they 
didn't always
support him, but he kept going 
on what he believed
was right. They believed in 
socialized medicine,
socialized Christianity, or 
Christian socialism if
you will, and uh, again it was 
the idea that only
those who were without blemish; 
those who fit the
"cookie cutter"should be allowed
to continue. They
advocated for laws that would 
prevent unwanted
people from reproducing through 
sterilization. Uh,
vasectomy was developed with 
this in mind, they
perfected it while experimenting
on people with
disabilities. Uh, one of the 
more disturbing pieces
of evidence that I discovered in
my research had to
do with a postcard that the 
government of Louisiana
sent out to families telling 
them if they had
epilepsy, that they should 
report to the prisons
or, basically they would wind up
in jail because
basically it was a crime to have
a disability. Uh,
they didn't want people who were
different to be in
public; the assumption was that 
if you had a
disability of any kind, or if 
you did not belong to
the "right" group of people, you
were more likely
to break the laws. 
Kind of sounds like Platos 
"laws" right? and the
whole "gods" thing, the gods can
do no wrong, but
everyone else can - they even 
stratified crime; so
that the more evolved you were, 
the more
sophisticated your crimes would 
be. The less
evolved, the more petty. Even 
among those they
deemed to be "evolved," they 
stratified it, and of
course, they were always the 
top. We know that in
world war II, eugenics was used 
in the "final
solution." 250,000 people with 
down's syndrome were
murdered under Hitler's regime, 
and of course
millions of Jews - all because 
of Hitler's desire
for a perfect race. These 
people, uh, Darwinism
through Eugenics influenced 
social policy,
medicine, uh our concept of 
beauty - it was the -
again the Presbyterians, they 
started baby contests
to look for..what was 
"scientifically" beautiful.
Right.
Francis Galton, the father of 
Eugenics and Charles
Darwin's cousin was pretty clear
about the
connection with evolutionism in 
his biography:
-Science, falsely so called I 
might add. The
connection is pretty apparent.
But Eugenics is just a thing of 
the past, is it
not? We're in the modern age 
now.
I would like to say that it is, 
but we actually
know that it is not. Sun news 
network was reporting
on the United Nations and the 
agenda 21 which is
sustainable development, which 
it comes again,
according to Sun news, out of 
socialism - European
socialism if you will. And what 
I've read of it,
and I have a lot more work to do
in this area, but
what it seems to me again it's 
about controlling
population and limiting where 
people can live, and
freedoms and a lot of Eugenics 
rules - and it
sounds like a lot of Eugenics 
rules of the last
century. They too wanted 
everything to be
controlled by a few, and control
our lives as much
as possible, to create that 
"perfect race." I guess
that take that "iron sharpens 
iron" a
little seriously. haha.
For me, the influence it had on 
the church is
disturbing, because the church 
changed the way it
did things, in my opinion. Oscar
Bishop and Tommy
Douglas were not the only 
thinkers of the day, they
changed the way we do health 
care, they changed the
way we do schooling to fit this.
Even the Roman
Catholics had their own internal
debate, they're
the largest Christian church in 
the world per se,
Joseph Myer in the journal of 
heredity, in 1934 for
example, talked about supporting
Eugenics,
according to the journal his 
tentative conclusion
was that "selective 
sterilization for eugenics
purposes, properly administered,
was entirely in
accord with judicious principles
of Roman Catholic
religion." and that was on page 
23 of the journal,
but even the Pope in 1932 even 
rescinded it, but
not entirely, he allowed 
eugenics for "therapy
reasons" only, doesn't sound 
kind of like the
abortionists debate today?
Uh huh.
Dr. Bergman, you married 
Darwinian evolution with
the Jewish holocaust where many 
have desperately
tried to divorce them. Now I 
know you're not
supposed to judge a book by its 
cover, but I
thought your most recent book 
title says it all:
"Hitler and the Darwinian 
Worldview: How the Nazi
eugenic crusade for a superior 
race caused the
greatest holocaust in world 
history" 
What do you mean in your title 
that the Darwinian
Worldview was connected with 
Eugenics and
the holocaust? 
Well, mainly in Nazi Germany - 
and OTHER places -
several in fact, the communist 
nations, many of
them as well, the motivation for
the Jewish
holocaust, and not just the 
Jewish holocaust I
should mention, but also the 
holocaust against
OTHER groups, such as the 
Gypsies, Slovaks - and
Slovaks includes Russians, 
Poles, and other groups,
so it's quite beyond the Jews. 
But the reason they
were motivated to destroy or at 
least reduce the
number of these races was based 
on Darwin - and
this is not just my idea, but 
this is well
documented - and in fact in my 
book, "Hitler and
the Darwinian Worldview," I have
almost a thousand
references. But an excellent 
film on this is called
"Science and the Swastika" - 
it's four hours long,
so I'll warn you, but extremely 
well done - I could
not have done a better job 
myself. And they
interviewed many of the leading 
scholars in this
area. Also the American United 
States holocaust
memorial museum published a book
called "deadly
medicine: creating the master 
race" which
unequivocally documents the 
major motivation behind
the Nazi movement, as well as 
Hitler himself, was,
as they say, to "create a master
race." And to do
that they relied heavily upon 
Darwin and Darwin's
ideas, and of course formulated 
by his
cousin, Galton. 
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Welcome back to Genesis Week. 
Just before our
commercial break, we were 
talking about eugenics
with Joseph Vaillancourt from 
enABLE faith
ministries,, Dr. Jerry Bergman 
and Paul Gosselin.
Paul, I'd like to pick things 
back up with you.
You're a social anthropolgist, 
we were discussing
the social repercussions of 
Darwinian evolutionism.
One defensive response from 
evolutionists is that
early 20th century eugenics and 
the Nazi Holocaust
were in fact “abuses” of 
Darwinism. What do you
think of that? 
Okay, um. Now, the eugenics and 
the holocaust in
particular, caused a huge 
marketing crisis for
Darwinists in the 21st century. 
>>haha that's one way to put it.
>>Ya, basically, because here 
were attempts by the
western elites to actually apply
Darwinism to
society! And of course it went 
rather wrong! And
this caused a huge cultural 
shock. And so one of
the strategies that Darwinists 
had was to cut this
link - to break this link so 
that people wouldn't
figure things out. And this is 
why you get such
ridiculous statements such as 
those made by Richard
Dawkins in - he did an interview
on Australian
Broadcasting Corporation a few 
years ago, in 2000,
and he said
Now, that is rather astounding, 
and I'll..it's
rather typical of evolutionists 
after world war 2 -
you wouldn't - you would never 
have seen any
evolutionists at or before world
war 2 saying
anything like that. They thought
that the idea of
applying evolution to the real 
societies would just
be the normal thing to do. 
Now about the "abuse" argument. 
If you look at
Evolution as an origins myth, as
I do in Flight
from the absolute, volume 2, 
which is coming out
this summer, then this exposes 
some rather
interesting issues. Most 
religions have a sacred
text, which is then used as the 
standard for
behaviour and beliefs, allows 
one to distinguish
between “orthodoxy” and 
“heresy”. With
Christians is the Bible, with 
Muslims, there’s
the Koran, with Mormons the 
writings of Joseph
Smith. But the problem is that 
when it comes to
Darwinists there is no agreed 
upon sacred text. Of
couse, Darwin’s Origin still has
symbolic value
for Darwinists, but these days 
no one reads it,
except perhaps Darwin 
biographers, but no one else
reads it, it isn't considered 
current or uh, so
there is then no sacred text 
expressly telling
Darwinists how they should apply
(or not)
Darwin’s views. So basically 
what this means is
that when Darwinists make loud 
noises about such
and such a Darwinist that has 
“abused Darwin”,
they are making entirely bogus 
and empty claims.
They have no basis at all for 
excommunicating
anyone. The real issue is that 
these so-called
abusers have produced a 
marketing crisis.
It's a marketing issue, there's 
no basis for making
any claims about abuses of 
Darwin. 
It's interesting we're all 
discussing this this
week, as I had a friend make 
this poster that was
so perfect and to the very point
we're making:
"Darwinism: Everyone supports 
the THEORY, but
complains about the PRACTICE." 
It's true! Thank you
to Simon Wellington for this 
timely poster. 
Now for many viewers, this 
program will be the
first time they've ever heard of
Eugenics, but it
wasn't happening in some 
far-off, distant land like
Germany and Russia - but right 
here in
North America. 
Joseph, you were the one who 
called the Buck Vs.
Bell case to my attention: This 
was a US supreme
court case over forced 
sterilization performed on
Americans in California because 
of the eugenics
movement. The supreme court 
concluded that it was
LEGAL for the state for 
sterilize people. Judge
Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr said it
was "... to
prevent [society from] being 
swamped with
incompetence." Such statements 
are just screaming
for a rejoinder, but I'll 
refrain for now and
simply point out that that 
supreme court decision
still stands TODAY. It's never 
been rescinded.
Just the past couple of weeks 
there has been
multiple stories in the news 
about compensation for
those sterilized in the Eugenics
movement:
All in all, there was some 33 
states that
participated in eugenics - 
forced sterilization
being the predominant action. 
Now, we're out of time here, but
we're going to
continue this discussion next 
week, and Joe, I want
to start next week's show with 
you and the Buck vs.
Bell case. 
So, thank you gentlemen for 
being on the show
today, I know the viewers will 
appreciate this very
much, so thank you. 
You can visit Joseph's facebook 
page for EnABLE
faith ministry at 
facebook.com/enablefaithministry
You can get a copy of Paul's 
thick and excellent
book "Flight from the Absolute",
Volume 1 from
Amazon.com, and Volume II is due
out this summer.
And Dr. Bergman has several 
books related to the
subject which are available on 
Amazon, such as "the
Dark Side of Darwin: exploring 
Darwin's troubled
mind," as well as his highly 
disturbing and
enlightening "Hitler and the 
Darwinian Worldview"
where he methodically documents 
how Darwinian
evolution influenced the 
attrocities of the
holocaust.
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