The Edge of Wonder presents 
Contact in the Desert 2018
Hey guys welcome to Contact in the Desert this is Ben with the legendary Clyde Lewis who hosts
Ground Zero the radio show.
Tell us a little bit about yourself 
and your radio show and what you do.
The radio show
started in 1995 we were starting about
the same time as Coast to Coast AM we
were probably the first radio show along
with coast to coast to be actually
transmitted on the Internet and while
coast was national we were local in Salt
Lake City we are on with dreamland and
we were on with the Jeff Francis
sighting show so we had this whole block
we broadcast on the internet and then
from there I moved to Portland Oregon
where I kept Ground Zero going we did a
national show on the weekends and then
we moved it to local and then we moved
it back to national again and now I'm
about I'm 300 station strong I'm on
before Coast-to-Coast AM with George
Noory and so we kind of have this
relationship yet I'm kind of his opening
act and he kind of ends the night for
everybody.
That's great yeah so what's some
of the most crazy things that you've
experienced or heard?
Oh everything
from UFO sightings to being attacked by
the ghost of the Zodiac killer gosh
I could go down a whole list of crazy
stuff that's happened to me and you know
it comes with the program 
it comes with the business
I mean you mess in these areas you
certainly gonna be having a number of
things happened to you that you're not
gonna be able to explain I mean yeah
I don't know you tell your wife oh I'm out
I'm gonna go hunt down a bunch of ghosts
and try not to bring anything home you
know that's that's exactly what we do so
Interesting, so you personally have
seen a lot of this stuff as well
oh yeah I mean I've been to several places I've
been to Roswell I've been to you know
actually was in Grover's Mill New Jersey
back where Orson Welles first talked
about the aliens landing in 1938 so not
very many people can say they've been to
Grover's Mill the Grover's Mill is where
the War of the World started fictionally
but it was nice to be able to go to the
monument
pay some respects to Orson Welles who I
like to say that I'm kind of like
Orson in the fact that I like to detour
the mind on my program and that's what I do
So I saw your panel the
other day or discussion about AI
technology and the quantum field and
where things are going I just wanted to
kind of ask you from your perspective
based on what you heard and everything
what's your understanding of the whole quantum
computers and the AI and where this is going?
yeah well you know it's going in a
direction that I think a lot of you
aren't aware that we are literally being
controlled by the computers
the algorithms of course are controlling us
they're focusing on some of the more
radical and extreme attitudes I mean
when you think about racism many people
think that racism is out of control
because of the Trump Administration
when in reality only 1% of the
population of the United States would be
probably in the realms of being racist
or bigoted in a way that's 1% but yet
we're hearing about that it's everybody
1% of one group believes that you know they're
victimized here or they're victimized
there it's currency
victimization is a
currency now and it's because of the
fact that the Internet has created this
social downfall it's about you know you
should have a civil responsibility of
social responsibility but we're letting
the internet take over the social
cohesion and the lack of social cohesion
in this country and in the world and so
what the what goes on as the algorithms
focus on the most extreme areas of the
internet the it focuses on that racist
comments by Roseanne it focuses on the
weird things that president tweets
it focuses on what some troll will say on
your Facebook page and that's why we're
feeling ourselves dividing and dividing
and dividing and pretty soon you can't
defy the substance of point where it
won't have a breaking point and America
will start to eat itself and that's what
I'm worried about is that we need to
take control the algorithms to not have
them control us.
You know also it's
kind of interesting because the concept
or the topic of CERN came up on the
panel discussion yeah
and you're kind of relating it to
something really interesting and I
thought you could just talk a little bit
about it from just kind of from your
understanding
well I was relating it to
Stranger Things and I think a lot of
people don't know that Stranger Things
was originally gonna be called Montauk.
Montauk Project I think it was.
the idea of time travel the idea
of opening up a portal and in fact
Montauk is involved in the Philadelphia
Experiment I hear the Philadelphia
Experiment being mentioned as well in
the panel
and with good reason because
the upside down is basically a product
of the Department of Energy in some
fictional Indiana town in this thing
and they asked Ernest Moniz who was actually
the secretary of energy they asked him
on the Chelsea Handler program they said
so what do you think of stranger things
he says well it's not he says I don't
really I haven't really seen it a lot of
it's fiction but he says what it isn't
fiction is that we do play in different
dimensions that we do play in the upside
down and everybody Don Cheadle was in
the group but a bunch of others right
laughing uncomfortably but then it got
really awkward where he says I'm telling the truth
I will note that actually we do
work in parallel universes
Well..
What?
Do you really?
I'm gonna go home and drop some acid
And so I decided to do a little bit
more research found out that people like
Jordi Rose for example who was the head
of the CEO of Kindred, the CEO of the
D-wave computers
D-wave computers are
being used at CERN and he said with a
D-wave says with D-wave and with you
know Kindred computers they're going to
have the capability to bring through
portals and Rosen Bridges characters he
compared to what Lovecraft created
so I'm thinking oh so this is a lot like
what the Mist by Stephen King where the
arrowhead project went out of control
all these strange monsters came through
something like coming from the abyss or
all these ugly creatures so you know
we're messing with particle physics we're
messing with opening the upside down and
of course you know we could have any
kind of creature could come out and like
the demogorgon
you know I'm not looking forward to
shake hands with a demogorgon on but hell
If science wants to do it then by
all means if they can take the get
demogorgon and make it work for them
then all by all means yes but until then
I don't want to have anything to do with
the demogorgon
let's the end on a kind of a positive note do you think like maybe if the more
benevolent people got a hold of AI are
trying to create this using it in a
benevolent form do you think there could
be some positive things out of this?
I'm thinking that it's not about benevolence
or malevolence it has a lot to do with
the fact do the computers like us if
they don't like us computers are amoral
they don't care they'll see a reason to
wipe us out I think that's why we're
seeing the division right now that we're
seeing
it's not that the government's doing it
it's the algorithms that are
doing it we buy into the algorithms the
media buys into the algorithms and so
we're all basically saying well this
person has few points that I don't
subscribe to so therefore I'm not going
to talk to him it's because the
computers have taught us how to do that
and if we learn that we're all people we
all have valuable things to put into the
conversation and don't let the computers
rule us and tell us how to think then I
think then that's when we're gonna beat
it
but there there really is no end-all be-all Authority that's gonna tell us this
in fact I had a friend of mine who
once told me he said if you're looking
at all the tentacles from the octopus
going into everything we do what if
you found out that the octopus didn't
have a head wouldn't that scare you what
would it scare you?
would it scare you to think that people are
monsters and they're the ones doing it?
Yes it would.
Well we have to understand that people are monsters
they program
these computers and the computers mimic
the monsters so we need to be aware of
the fact that we're creating a cyber
Frankenstein with the algorithms.
That's and that's a scary thought that's crazy
I mean and you've heard of the Mandela
effect I assume.
Yeah well the Mandela effect is another aspect of the
algorithms
because what it is is it
basically exploits our collective
scotoma or a collective blind spot in
our thinking and so collective recall is
damaged in the process
yeah you know
like so on the way here I was freaking
out when we were at the airport because
I just noticed that the engines on the
plane are in
front of the wing instead of behind the
wing
and I've always sat behind the wing
and I could never see outside the window
because the engine is in the way and for
the first time I was looking outside the
window and I'm like why can I see the
ground and I realized that the engine is
in front of the wing and I was just
freaking out about it so we checked
everything to make sure like is this is a
Mandela effect or is this just recently
right and it seems to actually be a
Mandela effect that it seems like from
all the planes of photos that we were
seeing even from like in the 90s the
engine was in the front of the wing and
I was just freaking out about that.
Well the other day someone turned me on to a Mandela effect if you look up
the word
Calcutta
it's spelled with a K not with a C
that's weird
it's Kolkata or something and I'm
thinking wait a minute how have I
spelled it C A L C U T T A and like Qatar
is not Cutter and I'm thinking why is
this all changing is because
collective recall is being changed the Mandela
effect
that's crazy man alright
well Clyde thank you so much for talking
I appreciate any last comments.
Always remember that we live in we're learning
that we're living in a matrix and every
once while things get through the matrix
and scare us we're this
overlapping multiverse and when we
realize we're part of this overlapping
multiverse things like the Mandela
effect and other crazy deja vu
experiences and synchronicities will all
be more meaningful when you realize we're
overlapping right now and it's an
amazing time to be alive
thank you that's such a great way of
looking at it thank you Clyde
all right you guys thanks so much from Contact in
the desert this is Ben and Clyde Lewis
and we'll see you guys out on the edge
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